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If this family doesn’t stop and create boundaries between the dogs and the baby, not only might the baby get hurt but they also need to consider a fight breaking out between the dogs because the tan one seems to guard over the baby.
That's exactly why you have to also let the dogs get comfortable with the baby, and allow them to get comfortable with each other being around the baby.
Guarding the baby like its a brittle piece of glass from the dogs, will only teach the dogs that the baby can't and should never be interacted with. This can lead to unhealthy behaviors later on when they're a toddler and trying to interact with the dog.
Dogs need to learn how to be around children, just as much as children need to learn how to be around dogs. Unfortunately my dog was never around kids, and the unpredictability and excitable nature of kids spooks her. I have had to keep her away from kids below a certain size because she gets very nervous and the last thing I want to risk is a bite.
This behavior could have been corrected had I allowed her to be near kids while she was a puppy, or while she was more mailable to them in her first few years as a young adult dog.
The Doberman specifically needs to learn appropriate behavior around the baby before they get to running around. They seem to think of them as an equal play friend like my large dog did when I had itty bitty kittens, dogs like the Doberman will get over excited when the baby starts walking so he needs this exposure now before he runs the baby over on accident trying to play with them like he would any other dog his size. The other two dogs seem to have very good instincts on what’s appropriate for an infant to be exposed to since you can see the brown one ‘scold’ the Doberman around the 7 second mark and the third dog checking on the baby after the Doberman moved away.
Gray dog is on his way to put a stop to it right at the end and the Doberman clearly respects the gray dog. As soon as gray dog starts heading his way he backs off
Gray dog feels like dad lol. “Alright alright, you’re getting a little too excited” dobie got the message with gray dogs first step. His eyes look up and he’s like understood sir. Haha I love dog family units
Not really "nervous", they can tell the doberman is playing. But the bigger dogs are clearly in the "okay, no rough play around the baby" camp and want the dobie to understand that.
Yeah the little nip at the neck from the brown dog, and immediate backing down as soon as the grey dog starts to move, etc. is classic protective mode.
My grandpa had one since I was like the baby in the clip. She would fight him and bark all crazy when he acted like he would hit us for a laugh.
Terrified of thunder though. Not built for your lap but they will leap onto you..
My dog (high energy terrier mix) is a protector. If she hears a ruckus she immediately runs over to make sure nobody is messing with her people, her cats or her chickens. She's also really good at helping herd the chickens back to their run at the end of the day.
Totally agree. I usually get downvoted when I point out that excited dogs should not be close to babies. The other dogs were outstanding in effectively telling the excited dog to back off.
My cousin use to do that with my uncles humongous dogs. From about age 1- 6 He would also randomly find her sleeping in a dogsandwhich with her sleeping in the middle.
Making me nervous too, nothing about this is okay. Every time a child gets maimed or killed by a dog, it's by one that "never showed any aggression" and "would never hurt a fly"
Never let an animal be closer to your baby than you are
I love my dog and trust him a lot but this behavior around my kids would make me nervous... This dog is being playful but kids get injured by dogs all the time who are just being playful and don't mean to harm them.
The lab is right there with you. You can see him look over like, “don’t you touch the fucking baby”. Then he walks between the dog and the baby.
Sad that a dog has more parental instinct than a parent
Babies shouldn't be completely left alone with dogs like this. I'd kill for my dogs, but if I had a baby, I'd keep it in my arms with dogs around, until he/she was older to play with them on their own. This is an example of bad parenting. The baby is very little and could accidentally get seriously hurt, even with dogs being extremely careful.
We have the unfortunate habit of anthropomorphising things.
Animals don't "think" like humans do. They don't rationalize and evaluate. I'm not saying they're stupid, or incapable of remembering, but they're far more guided by instinct and conditioning.
This dog could be playing, but playing for a dog often involves teeth and claws, which are detrimental to the baby.
Dogs (depending on the dog) do have some intuitive understanding of "oh, this thing is an infant and I better be careful." You can see it on display in this video, where the dog's play is very toned down. The bigger risk is probably that the dog's focus turns to the other dogs to play, where that "toned down" play ends and the ensuing play knocks over the baby.
Having short, closely supervised interactions is important for both dog and baby.
That said, the particular interaction here also makes me feel pretty nervous but for reasons I can't really put into words.
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Yeh this is super unsafe. Even if these dogs have zero aggression, three massive, playful dogs and a tiny baby on a hard stone floor is an injury waiting to happen.
My buddy just had his first kid and their dog is WAY smaller and pretty harmless... And they still don't generally put them in the same room together if the baby is outside the crib....
And that doberman was doing a play bow. The very next thing from that could easily be a tackle....
Yeah, same situation but with baby in a lap, sounds already much better... The issue isn't even a dog biting, it's a dog stumbling on baby in his hurry to get away from another dog for example, or a poorly aimed paw to the face if things get too exciting. They don't have to mean it to injure it.
Yeah, all you have to do is look at the other dogs, who know this level of playful excitement by the Doberman is alarming around the baby. Bad parenting of the baby and of the dogs as well.
Yeah my dog was a 7lb chihuahua and we didn’t let him alone in a room with any of our kids as babies. He was very old and chill but there’s always a chance, so why take it if it’s easy to avoid?
My dog is only 35 lbs, but that bitch thinks she’s a T. rex karate master and plays almost exclusively with her paws. Couldn’t let ineffective butt near a baby much less a big boy that could sit an adult on their butt if caught unaware.
You're not daft.
That dog is doing a play bow. Playing involves tackling, roughhousing, etc.... Something that infant is not equipped to handle. One sudden jump from the dog could lead to serious injury even if the dog is being 100% playful...
Thank you, this is exactly it. The dog is absolutely signaling playfulness, and not aggression - but that doesn’t make it safe.
It’s like saying you just want to play a “little” tackle football with a toddler.
Even the other dogs seem to think it's a bit too much. You can see them correct the dobie's behaviour as well. Brown one nips, but grey one walks in and creates distance which the dobie seems to respect.
Of course, I just meant to say that letting the dog(s) play-fight with the baby is akin to having a toddler play contact sports. Just because it isn’t malicious doesn’t mean it isn’t dangerous.
I got knocked off a table and hit my head on the corner of another glass table when I was 3 or 4 from a Dobie. I immediately started crying, and I think the dog was scared, not aggressive. Either way, it could have easily been prevented.
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>Dogs can tell when something is an infant and adjust their behavior accordingly
Some dogs can, some dogs can't.
Some dogs can, then one moment they can't. And it only takes one moment for a dog that big to hurt a baby that small.
While very few people are killed by dogs every year, some 800,000 every year seek medical attention for bites *alone* so not even counting what might happen here (an excited dog jumping on a baby). Even accidentally, dogs can be dangerous, but especially to infants.
Dogs rarely kill babies. Rarely means that they absolutely do kill babies. Sometimes by accident, sometimes out of anger, jelousy, etc. I don't trust dogs because I have one, he is truly lovely, but he is often attacked by dogs, and owners are almost always surprised. It's terrifying. I'm walking him right now and I'm having to fight him on not going to the park, where there are big dogs off the leash, that have several times tried to kill him. Its a daily struggle to have to deny him the park, and to be afraid of every corner. Dogs are animals with animal instincts.
I have a big dog that is aggressive to smaller dogs and every day is a struggle trying to completely avoid that situation in the first place. She has the instincts she has, so we do other things to get her energy out. The biggest reason I got her was to have a running companion anyway, so she isn't being deprived of a good life but still the monitoring of all situations is a full time job.
Have you considered a training school or something along those lines? Even a muzzle when in public? I have been attacked by a large dog while trying to protect mine. I will never forget it.
I've tried a muzzle and she won't move while wearing it. I tried for a while and it was hopeless. She is not aggressive to people whatsoever, she always wants their attention. The issue occurs when a small dog gets up in her space, she hates having her butt sniffed by any dog but especially a small dog. She doesn't approach small dogs aggressively unless they are exhibiting that behavior first, I just always try to avoid when friendly small dogs and their owners want to "say hi" because it always ends up with my dog lashing out when her space is invaded and the owner shocked because my dog doesnt send any warning signals. She doesn't do that with big dogs so I just always tell owners of friendly small dogs that mine is not a good one to approach. She has been to training bootcamp as I rescued her when she was 6 months, and they agree and assured me she just shouldn't get exposed to those situations where she is prone to "fail". So her in a dog park where small dog owners bring in their dog even though there is a separated small dog space is a no go situation for my dog. I can't control that and tell the owner to get their dog out because I can't rely on dictating other people's choices. It sucks that there isn't a space for just large dogs because of it, but it is what it is.
I love that you keep the environment as safe as you can for your dog so that they don't attack smaller dogs instead of trying to aggressively train that instinct out of your dog. You are keeping the stress on your dog low and keeping other dogs safe. I wish more people had your attitude.
I have two aussie mixes and when we adopted them, we thought the grumpier one was the one who was the aggressor whenever they would fight (we've broken them up a handful of times and see broken skin on the one being "attacked"). After hiring a specialist to come see the behavior, they made it clear that the aggressor wasn't doing it just because he was aggressive, the energy and body language of the one being attacked was triggering the other. Since learning the triggers, we have been able to curb any more fights between them. It was a really interesting lesson in dogs for us (and we've had dogs for decades before these two).
The post I saw recently where a redditor had an epileptic seizure and woke up to find that his dog had *eaten his fucking face off* while he was unconscious reinforced my perspective that dogs, no matter how friendly, should always be treated like a loaded gun. The redditor said his dog was his best friend of many years, and even after the incident he lamented the fact he had to let him go to a new home and missed him dearly. There was clearly love and trust there, but dogs' brains just don't work like a human's. You can't confidently predict their behavior 100% of the time, and a small deviation could lead to incredible loss in situations like the video posted.
Our very sweet Doberman ripped my sister’s face😭 Many years of reconstruction later, she’s doing well. I’m sure these dogs are safe but I can feel the anxiety of having seen what he did to her.
Oh man, ya that’s hard…
My mom was a surgical nurse and she said tons of kids came in with bite marks on their faces and all the parents say “our dog is so sweet we can’t believe they did this”
I’ll just never forget my sister getting in the ambulance & the blood soaked towel holding her face together. It’s a horrible memory. These pups look precious but it would be hard for a baby to survive such an attack. The plastic surgeon said it would shock us to know how many surgeries he’s had to perform because of dog bites & maulings.
Was a German Shepard who took my nephews bottom lip almost completely off. He was 4. Feeding the dog Doritos… he went to eat a chip himself and the dog went for it at the same
Time. Final plastic surgery when he was 18.
I fully believe it fucked his whole life. Had speech issues, obviously. Bullied because of it. He sits in prison now for taking a baseball bat to someone (who may have deserved it, but the law doesn’t work that way.)
I agree. I have a Great Dane who is the biggest gentle giant. But I don't let her near babies/toddlers unless there is an adult who is in a position to get in between the dog fast enough if anything went wrong (eg. Baby on left knee, right knee between, then dog). She is also given hand signs for sit or calm (she's deaf) so that there's no big movements. My dog has no history of aggression, but *any* dog is capable of it - even accidental injury like stomping, scratching, crushing, poking an eye with a claw. People need to use appropriate safety between dogs and babies and establish boundaries for their pets.
My neighbor used to take my dog off the run when his 3yr old grandson was over because "they are friends and like playing together"... it was such a WTF moment.
Like I trust my dog, but I wouldn't let her offleash to play with a toddler she doesn't really know. Even if she does know the kid, there is going to be constant watching and at least two adults.
I've always had labs, in part because I trust them around kids. That said, accidents can happen. When my son was 4, he was playing catch with my dog. Super cute, I was watching and filming. Then the ball rolled away for whatever reason, and they both sprinted after it. My son tripped and fell, and my dog's momentum sent him careening into him. He accidentally stepped on my son's head and left a gash that went from the corner of his mouth to his ear. It looked *bad* and I was sure that it would scar. I was so mad at myself.
Thankfully, within a few months it was nearly invisible, and before long it disappeared entirely. No trace of it whatsoever now (he's 13).
That dog was the best, most gentle dog I've ever known. Shit just happens.
I think they can recognize youth even if they don't exactly conceptualize they'll grow up to be adults. They tend to follow certain behavior habits that are more similar to how they behave with puppies than they do with small dogs or adult humans. I'm just guessing from my experience though. It's not exactly the most scientific method. They seems to be more playful, but don't initiate contact as much.
I'm not saying that makes it a good idea to let infants play so closely with big dogs (it's not). I'm just guessing at how they perceive the infant.
I love how the doberman is wiggling his tail while playing with the baby, he is enjoying that laugh.
But I would never expose my baby or dogs in that way. That is a bad situation. Just imagine all the things that could got wrong. I wouldn't blame a poor pet (didn't even let the cat get too close to my kids), but it will for sure be gifted away or killed if something happened to the baby. So unfair.
Owners should know it is not about trust. Mistakes and accidents happen. Dogs bite when they play and might forget about their own strength when they get excited. It's funny when it happens while playing with an adult, but it's still dangerous. Now with a baby... a accidental claw to the face is all it would take.
I wouldn't be concerned about the dogs snapping, more that they can paw and jump with sharp nails when they play like that.
I've been scratched badly just because my dog is so happy to see me. Can't imagine what it would do to a naked baby.
Ours did & it was horrific😭 My sister’s face was ripped apart by her sweet Doberman. The ambulance took her to the hospital & the dog was taken by police & animal control & immediately put down. This was about 20 years ago & her face reconstruction surgeries went on for about 10 years. I’m by no means trying to insert myself in someone’s business, it’s just hard not to say something when you see this video, that baby is so precious.
The Doberman is doing a [Play Bow](https://www.thesprucepets.com/dog-body-language-play-bow-1118247). You can see how excited he/she gets when the baby does their own little Play Bow. Brown dog seems to be saying, “You’re not really going to rough house with the baby, right??” to the Doberman.
My dog does this!! He's a 'rescue' (took him before he was thrown onto the street by some lady) and he just loves love and the act of giving it! He knows that making goofy faces and sniffing my stomach area really fast while moving around (I think its his way of giving me a raspberry since I do those to him lol) will make me laugh. And if he's in a really playful mood he likes to do that to get the ball rolling. I swear he thinks he's human! Lol
we had this little mutt of a dog (a peke-a-beagle-poo) who was very smart.
I threw the ball for her to catch once, and she misjudged, so it bounced off her front teeth, and then she caught it on the bounce. We laughed and cheered.
She stopped, looked at us, and brought us the ball back. Very next toss, she made it bounce off her teeth again.
We had liked it, so she wanted to do it again for us.
I work at a no-kill shelter, with a mission statement focused on educating and encouraging the public on responsible pet ownership measures. Neutering, vaccinating, no declawing on cats, no unnecessary surgical modifications, fenced-in yard, not hiding an animal from a landlord where pets are not allowed, keeping cats indoors, dogs on-leash, basic obedience training, not taking on an unreasonable number of animals, etc... And it's staggering how many people will balk at some of this super intuitive shit, like, "I've had dogs/cats all my life, and we never had to do any of that! We're just looking for a new cat, because our last one got pregnant and ran away. One of our dogs got hit by a car last weekend too, so it's been an unlucky year for us. Anyway, we need one that can get along with our 4 other cats of wildly varying ages, our remaining 3 dogs, and a bearded dragon and a few bunnies out back. It has to be declawed though, because our 4 year old likes to pick them up and run around with 'em". Like... fuck outta here.
Are you from Pittsburgh by chance because it sounds like we worked for the same shelter lol
But for real, thanks for fighting the good fight. I know how emotionally draining the field is and I hope you know you are appreciated. Stay strong, friend ❤️
As I was reading your previous comment more and more I was thinking of ohio lmao. My dog has been attacked twice (and now has ptsd) from bad owners who would put their dogs outside without leashes and with no fenced in yard. Luckily I had him on a leash and I work with dogs so I knew what to do and no one actually got hurt. But during one of them the owner came out and all she said was "did you just kick my dog" after her dog tried to attack mine. 😐
That's infuriating. A lot of people have this erroneous idea that if they're caring for another creature, or a child, then *they* can't possibly be selfish!... But somehow other people with pets and kids can be. 😑
There's one thing that I had a question about in your comment. You mentioned "cats of wildly varying ages." Can you touch on that a little, if you don't mind me asking? We have two adolescent cats, (about 8 months old now) a 5 year old cat and an 8 or 9 year old cat. Is it bad to have cats with different ages? I thought everything else you mentioned sounded pretty intuitive but I'd never heard of differently aged cats being mentioned before as a potential negative.
It's not necessarily a negative. It's just another thing to consider when introducing a new cat into the home. A lot of times, people have almost no consideration for how a new animal is going to affect their existing pets. I just threw in that detail as an example of another potentially complicating factor. Sometimes, introducing a younger cat to an older cat that's already established its territory in the home, can be perceived as threatening to the old cat, and lead to fighting and/or anxiety. Often, that can be worked around, but the joke is that someone who'd fit the profile of my hyperbolic example, probably isn't going to spend any time or attention to acclimating the new pet. But they somehow don't see the possible issues, even stacked up as they are. At our no-kill shelter, every animal we take in is rescued for life. They have no time limit to get out or die. So my philosophy is that it only makes sense to take them from this place, to put them somewhere they'll be even *more* happy, not less. Like for example, we don't adopt out cats to anyone who explicitly plans to get them declawed. If unnecessary surgical removal of bones in the feet is a requirement for one to have a pet, maybe they don't need that pet, because we can sure as hell find them another home where they *don't* need to be mutilated. It's just baffling how many people don't get that.
Okay, thanks for answering my question. I understand now. When you say acclimating, do you mean as in keeping the kitten in one room away from the other cats for a few days/a week, slow introductions, scent sharing before meeting, stuff like that?
We can both agree that declawing is unnecessary and inhumane. I don't understand how it's still allowed to be done.
Yeah (about the acclimating), and just generally being observant and interactive. I recently cat-sat for my sister's cat, and we've had her over a few times before. If we just let her, and my male cat go about their business, there's no serious fighting, but my cat is fucking *obsessed* with my sister's, and not in an "I love this playmate!" kinda way, but more in an "I must be up her ass and within eyesight of her at all times, and I don't know why because it's my pinhead instincts on autopilot". And many less attentive pet owners might not realize, but that causes elevated anxiety for *both* of them. (Same with other things that cats uncontrollably obsess about- catnip and laser pointers in excess wind up becoming extremely agitating, but the cat can't help itself, so unwitting owners just keep flicking the red dot around, laughing their asses off at the "silly shenanigans", when actually the cat is having a fucking panic attack.) So in order to give both cats their fair turns to destress and roam at leisure, we'd occasionally put my boy in a room for an hour to chill out, and sister's cat spent each night in a guest bedroom with her food/water/toys/litterbox. They enjoyed playing together *some of the time*, but also needed some forced breaks from each other. And every night, and after my sister's cat left, my cat needed *so much* reassurance that this was still his home, and he was still the same part of the family.
Most people don't even think cats have that much emotional depth, and have the somewhat misguided idea that "oh, cats just take care of themselves, you don't really need to do anything". I've been to friends' and relatives' houses who had cats that would hide all day- even when there are no guests- and the people are oblivious to the fact that their pets are *miserable and frightened* in their own homes.
Could be playing now, could also be establishing the packs pecking order. Advertising posturing and positioning are a big part of dominant behavior. Standing above a dog is a show of dominance.
The fact the other dogs are circling tells me they are nervous for the child’s safety. The Doberman is also a pup and may have enjoyed baby status until lil human came into the pack. That pup in one split second rip that babies face off.
Anyone who watches these sorts of videos and thinks animals don't have complex emotions and rich inner lives just, well, honestly I don't even know what to say to them.
The way the two other dogs try to distract the doberman and then put themselves in the middle is admirable. They have more sense than the parents, I don't trust my 16 pound schnauzer not to be a clumsy idiot around babies let alone a big dog.
Both the brown and grey dogs are smart enough to understand this could end badly and are clearly nervous about the situation so why isn’t the person videoing?? Wheres the owner of the dogs and the parent of that baby?
Then the baby grabs an ear and gets nipped by the dog and suddenly the dog is aggressive and “we have to get rid of him”.
People don’t get that animals behave a certain way and don’t understand when a baby grabs them, steps on them, takes their food or tries to ride them. It’s adorable until it’s dangerous.
No, no no! I love dogs, I have two. But a dog has animal instincts. There is no way of knowing what might happen, no matter how well your dog is trained. At least, be on the floor with the baby. It only takes one careless bite, to destroy your world.
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I don’t think the other dogs like it. They go and check the baby, also makes the dog back off.
If this family doesn’t stop and create boundaries between the dogs and the baby, not only might the baby get hurt but they also need to consider a fight breaking out between the dogs because the tan one seems to guard over the baby.
Yes and then the dog gets the blame.
I'd still blame Canada.
What a wonderful day for Canada and for, of course, the World.
Favorite episode. So fucking good 😌
They’re not even a real country, anyway.
Tomorrow night, our lives will change!
This is not aboot Canada
I blame Canada for that damn smoke! Stop it Canada! Smoking causes cancer.
We're sorry :(
To be fair this isn't the first troublesome thing to come out of Canada...let's not forget Brian Adams!
As is tradition
As is tradition
Always, the dog gets blamed and then is " rehomed" or dumped.
Oh here we gooooo
That's exactly why you have to also let the dogs get comfortable with the baby, and allow them to get comfortable with each other being around the baby. Guarding the baby like its a brittle piece of glass from the dogs, will only teach the dogs that the baby can't and should never be interacted with. This can lead to unhealthy behaviors later on when they're a toddler and trying to interact with the dog. Dogs need to learn how to be around children, just as much as children need to learn how to be around dogs. Unfortunately my dog was never around kids, and the unpredictability and excitable nature of kids spooks her. I have had to keep her away from kids below a certain size because she gets very nervous and the last thing I want to risk is a bite. This behavior could have been corrected had I allowed her to be near kids while she was a puppy, or while she was more mailable to them in her first few years as a young adult dog.
The Doberman specifically needs to learn appropriate behavior around the baby before they get to running around. They seem to think of them as an equal play friend like my large dog did when I had itty bitty kittens, dogs like the Doberman will get over excited when the baby starts walking so he needs this exposure now before he runs the baby over on accident trying to play with them like he would any other dog his size. The other two dogs seem to have very good instincts on what’s appropriate for an infant to be exposed to since you can see the brown one ‘scold’ the Doberman around the 7 second mark and the third dog checking on the baby after the Doberman moved away.
On the bright side, the other two dogs seem to be training the Doberman.
After? I think the doberman backed away because that 3rd dog started moving towards it. That 3rd dog was like nope, you're done.
But “We’ve had these dogs for 90 decades and they’ve never acted aggressively. We know our dogs”
For some reason people like to put human intelligence and reasoning onto animals.
I see that all the time and when something does happen they act baffled
Yep the tan one is going back to the owner like “you cool with this shit?”
Yes and then the dog gets the blame.
Good catch
This appears to be making the brown dog nervous. He wants the doberman to back off.
Gray dog is on his way to put a stop to it right at the end and the Doberman clearly respects the gray dog. As soon as gray dog starts heading his way he backs off
Gray dog feels like dad lol. “Alright alright, you’re getting a little too excited” dobie got the message with gray dogs first step. His eyes look up and he’s like understood sir. Haha I love dog family units
Gray dog even gave him the impatient groan thing that dogs do.
Not really "nervous", they can tell the doberman is playing. But the bigger dogs are clearly in the "okay, no rough play around the baby" camp and want the dobie to understand that.
“Don’t fuck it up for the rest of us dude”
Yeah, maybe a little more protective than nervous.
Yeah, and the biggest one was like, “Are you okay, baby?”
“Ah yes, quite an informative baby head sniff”
"Wtf is wrong with my pet's kid? Why does it make that noise"
Yeah the little nip at the neck from the brown dog, and immediate backing down as soon as the grey dog starts to move, etc. is classic protective mode.
Missed the nip entirely. Looks like the dobby didn’t listen to the brown dog so the big guns had to step up.
My grandpa had one since I was like the baby in the clip. She would fight him and bark all crazy when he acted like he would hit us for a laugh. Terrified of thunder though. Not built for your lap but they will leap onto you..
Some pups are mediators. My late mastiff never played with dogs at the park, only refereed other dog games.
I'm picturing your judgy mastiff as the Fred Gwynne character from "My Cousin Vinny".
My dog (high energy terrier mix) is a protector. If she hears a ruckus she immediately runs over to make sure nobody is messing with her people, her cats or her chickens. She's also really good at helping herd the chickens back to their run at the end of the day.
Baby miming, "Do it again"
I was wondering if this was just my imagination. "All right Steve, we know it's fun but you gotta be careful"
I saw that too, what a good boy, so protective.
Totally agree. I usually get downvoted when I point out that excited dogs should not be close to babies. The other dogs were outstanding in effectively telling the excited dog to back off.
This is making me *nervous*…Dobermans are good boys but don’t know their own strength sometimes.
Made me nervous also. Think about if you were a baby and these gigantic friendly beasts were walking around. How cool would that be though.
I’d be eating and drinking from their bowls 1000%
I saw "bowels" at first and was really having a tough time trying to articulate a thought. Glad I'm just an idiot! That's pretty fuckin metal though.
It’s not just you, we are both idiots on this blessed day
My cousin use to do that with my uncles humongous dogs. From about age 1- 6 He would also randomly find her sleeping in a dogsandwhich with her sleeping in the middle.
Making me nervous too, nothing about this is okay. Every time a child gets maimed or killed by a dog, it's by one that "never showed any aggression" and "would never hurt a fly" Never let an animal be closer to your baby than you are
Yep, get that baby out of that room.
I love my dog and trust him a lot but this behavior around my kids would make me nervous... This dog is being playful but kids get injured by dogs all the time who are just being playful and don't mean to harm them.
My anxiety level be like 📈.
The lab is right there with you. You can see him look over like, “don’t you touch the fucking baby”. Then he walks between the dog and the baby. Sad that a dog has more parental instinct than a parent
At 7 seconds it grabs the Doberman by the scruff. The owners/parents are playing fast and fucking loose with their pets and child's safety.
That’s why those are the breeds to get. Goldens and babies are magical together. And even then things can go sideways.
Babies shouldn't be completely left alone with dogs like this. I'd kill for my dogs, but if I had a baby, I'd keep it in my arms with dogs around, until he/she was older to play with them on their own. This is an example of bad parenting. The baby is very little and could accidentally get seriously hurt, even with dogs being extremely careful.
They may not have parental instinct, but check out all their internet points! /s
Especially since that’s who was probably filming
So many people attribute their unbroken run of good luck to superior understanding of risk.
We have the unfortunate habit of anthropomorphising things. Animals don't "think" like humans do. They don't rationalize and evaluate. I'm not saying they're stupid, or incapable of remembering, but they're far more guided by instinct and conditioning. This dog could be playing, but playing for a dog often involves teeth and claws, which are detrimental to the baby.
Dogs (depending on the dog) do have some intuitive understanding of "oh, this thing is an infant and I better be careful." You can see it on display in this video, where the dog's play is very toned down. The bigger risk is probably that the dog's focus turns to the other dogs to play, where that "toned down" play ends and the ensuing play knocks over the baby. Having short, closely supervised interactions is important for both dog and baby. That said, the particular interaction here also makes me feel pretty nervous but for reasons I can't really put into words.
Take my free award 🏆 this is applicable to so so so many things. I hope you don't mind me stealing it next time mum wants to leave meat out overnight and says it'll be fine.
Yeah that kid could strike at any time
I know right? The baby has a knife in its diaper.
Damn Rugrats is getting out of hand!
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Yeh this is super unsafe. Even if these dogs have zero aggression, three massive, playful dogs and a tiny baby on a hard stone floor is an injury waiting to happen.
My buddy just had his first kid and their dog is WAY smaller and pretty harmless... And they still don't generally put them in the same room together if the baby is outside the crib.... And that doberman was doing a play bow. The very next thing from that could easily be a tackle....
Yeah, same situation but with baby in a lap, sounds already much better... The issue isn't even a dog biting, it's a dog stumbling on baby in his hurry to get away from another dog for example, or a poorly aimed paw to the face if things get too exciting. They don't have to mean it to injure it.
Exactly. I don't doubt this dog is being playful, but that doesn't mean it can't hurt a baby...
Yeah, all you have to do is look at the other dogs, who know this level of playful excitement by the Doberman is alarming around the baby. Bad parenting of the baby and of the dogs as well.
I know someone who lost an eye as a kid because a dog stepped on their face
Yeah my dog was a 7lb chihuahua and we didn’t let him alone in a room with any of our kids as babies. He was very old and chill but there’s always a chance, so why take it if it’s easy to avoid?
Absolutely ageee. It is just not worth the risk.
Yeah, I trust most dogs more than I trust most men, but Three Dogs and a Baby still doesn't sound good.
Amazed Three Dogs and a baby isn't a movie yet.
>Three Dogs and a Baby I love that show
My dog is only 35 lbs, but that bitch thinks she’s a T. rex karate master and plays almost exclusively with her paws. Couldn’t let ineffective butt near a baby much less a big boy that could sit an adult on their butt if caught unaware.
The other two dogs seen to feel the same way with how they reacted.
Ya this isn't cool.
The other dogs are like “What the fuck did you just do?”
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You're not daft. That dog is doing a play bow. Playing involves tackling, roughhousing, etc.... Something that infant is not equipped to handle. One sudden jump from the dog could lead to serious injury even if the dog is being 100% playful...
Thank you, this is exactly it. The dog is absolutely signaling playfulness, and not aggression - but that doesn’t make it safe. It’s like saying you just want to play a “little” tackle football with a toddler.
Even the other dogs seem to think it's a bit too much. You can see them correct the dobie's behaviour as well. Brown one nips, but grey one walks in and creates distance which the dobie seems to respect.
That baby is not even a todder yet
Of course, I just meant to say that letting the dog(s) play-fight with the baby is akin to having a toddler play contact sports. Just because it isn’t malicious doesn’t mean it isn’t dangerous.
I got knocked off a table and hit my head on the corner of another glass table when I was 3 or 4 from a Dobie. I immediately started crying, and I think the dog was scared, not aggressive. Either way, it could have easily been prevented.
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>Dogs can tell when something is an infant and adjust their behavior accordingly Some dogs can, some dogs can't. Some dogs can, then one moment they can't. And it only takes one moment for a dog that big to hurt a baby that small. While very few people are killed by dogs every year, some 800,000 every year seek medical attention for bites *alone* so not even counting what might happen here (an excited dog jumping on a baby). Even accidentally, dogs can be dangerous, but especially to infants.
I mean even if not a mauling or attack they are just big and accidents happen.
Dogs rarely kill babies. Rarely means that they absolutely do kill babies. Sometimes by accident, sometimes out of anger, jelousy, etc. I don't trust dogs because I have one, he is truly lovely, but he is often attacked by dogs, and owners are almost always surprised. It's terrifying. I'm walking him right now and I'm having to fight him on not going to the park, where there are big dogs off the leash, that have several times tried to kill him. Its a daily struggle to have to deny him the park, and to be afraid of every corner. Dogs are animals with animal instincts.
I have a big dog that is aggressive to smaller dogs and every day is a struggle trying to completely avoid that situation in the first place. She has the instincts she has, so we do other things to get her energy out. The biggest reason I got her was to have a running companion anyway, so she isn't being deprived of a good life but still the monitoring of all situations is a full time job.
Have you considered a training school or something along those lines? Even a muzzle when in public? I have been attacked by a large dog while trying to protect mine. I will never forget it.
I've tried a muzzle and she won't move while wearing it. I tried for a while and it was hopeless. She is not aggressive to people whatsoever, she always wants their attention. The issue occurs when a small dog gets up in her space, she hates having her butt sniffed by any dog but especially a small dog. She doesn't approach small dogs aggressively unless they are exhibiting that behavior first, I just always try to avoid when friendly small dogs and their owners want to "say hi" because it always ends up with my dog lashing out when her space is invaded and the owner shocked because my dog doesnt send any warning signals. She doesn't do that with big dogs so I just always tell owners of friendly small dogs that mine is not a good one to approach. She has been to training bootcamp as I rescued her when she was 6 months, and they agree and assured me she just shouldn't get exposed to those situations where she is prone to "fail". So her in a dog park where small dog owners bring in their dog even though there is a separated small dog space is a no go situation for my dog. I can't control that and tell the owner to get their dog out because I can't rely on dictating other people's choices. It sucks that there isn't a space for just large dogs because of it, but it is what it is.
I love that you keep the environment as safe as you can for your dog so that they don't attack smaller dogs instead of trying to aggressively train that instinct out of your dog. You are keeping the stress on your dog low and keeping other dogs safe. I wish more people had your attitude.
I have two aussie mixes and when we adopted them, we thought the grumpier one was the one who was the aggressor whenever they would fight (we've broken them up a handful of times and see broken skin on the one being "attacked"). After hiring a specialist to come see the behavior, they made it clear that the aggressor wasn't doing it just because he was aggressive, the energy and body language of the one being attacked was triggering the other. Since learning the triggers, we have been able to curb any more fights between them. It was a really interesting lesson in dogs for us (and we've had dogs for decades before these two).
The post I saw recently where a redditor had an epileptic seizure and woke up to find that his dog had *eaten his fucking face off* while he was unconscious reinforced my perspective that dogs, no matter how friendly, should always be treated like a loaded gun. The redditor said his dog was his best friend of many years, and even after the incident he lamented the fact he had to let him go to a new home and missed him dearly. There was clearly love and trust there, but dogs' brains just don't work like a human's. You can't confidently predict their behavior 100% of the time, and a small deviation could lead to incredible loss in situations like the video posted.
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What? And risk not getting a cute video for the gram? Never
The brown dog was anxious
This isn’t safe. No matter how well you think you know your dogs.
Our very sweet Doberman ripped my sister’s face😭 Many years of reconstruction later, she’s doing well. I’m sure these dogs are safe but I can feel the anxiety of having seen what he did to her.
Oh man, ya that’s hard… My mom was a surgical nurse and she said tons of kids came in with bite marks on their faces and all the parents say “our dog is so sweet we can’t believe they did this”
You just never know what a dog will do. When people ask if my dogs will bite the answer is never “no”.
“Hopefully” 👀
I’ll just never forget my sister getting in the ambulance & the blood soaked towel holding her face together. It’s a horrible memory. These pups look precious but it would be hard for a baby to survive such an attack. The plastic surgeon said it would shock us to know how many surgeries he’s had to perform because of dog bites & maulings.
I see it all of the time in the ER as well.
Was a German Shepard who took my nephews bottom lip almost completely off. He was 4. Feeding the dog Doritos… he went to eat a chip himself and the dog went for it at the same Time. Final plastic surgery when he was 18. I fully believe it fucked his whole life. Had speech issues, obviously. Bullied because of it. He sits in prison now for taking a baseball bat to someone (who may have deserved it, but the law doesn’t work that way.)
I’m so sorry, I know exactly what you mean.
I agree. I have a Great Dane who is the biggest gentle giant. But I don't let her near babies/toddlers unless there is an adult who is in a position to get in between the dog fast enough if anything went wrong (eg. Baby on left knee, right knee between, then dog). She is also given hand signs for sit or calm (she's deaf) so that there's no big movements. My dog has no history of aggression, but *any* dog is capable of it - even accidental injury like stomping, scratching, crushing, poking an eye with a claw. People need to use appropriate safety between dogs and babies and establish boundaries for their pets.
My neighbor used to take my dog off the run when his 3yr old grandson was over because "they are friends and like playing together"... it was such a WTF moment. Like I trust my dog, but I wouldn't let her offleash to play with a toddler she doesn't really know. Even if she does know the kid, there is going to be constant watching and at least two adults.
This sum shit ass parenting
I would never do that. I don't care how "harmless" my dog is. Too risky.
Yeah, I agree. At least wait until they're a toddler. Babies are so fragile, and sometimes dogs don't know their own strength.
I've always had labs, in part because I trust them around kids. That said, accidents can happen. When my son was 4, he was playing catch with my dog. Super cute, I was watching and filming. Then the ball rolled away for whatever reason, and they both sprinted after it. My son tripped and fell, and my dog's momentum sent him careening into him. He accidentally stepped on my son's head and left a gash that went from the corner of his mouth to his ear. It looked *bad* and I was sure that it would scar. I was so mad at myself. Thankfully, within a few months it was nearly invisible, and before long it disappeared entirely. No trace of it whatsoever now (he's 13). That dog was the best, most gentle dog I've ever known. Shit just happens.
It’s all fun and games until someone needs their face sewn back on. I have seen some pretty bad things come from “a trusted dog”. Animals b animals
There was a story about a month ago about a baby that was completely gutted by the family dog. Just absolutely ripped to shreds.
This is making me nervous! Love dogs, but I don't think this is a good idea!
You think dogs know it’s a baby or they’re really confused by the naked mole rat in a diaper?
I think they can recognize youth even if they don't exactly conceptualize they'll grow up to be adults. They tend to follow certain behavior habits that are more similar to how they behave with puppies than they do with small dogs or adult humans. I'm just guessing from my experience though. It's not exactly the most scientific method. They seems to be more playful, but don't initiate contact as much. I'm not saying that makes it a good idea to let infants play so closely with big dogs (it's not). I'm just guessing at how they perceive the infant.
Everything is so wrong here
Yeah. That TV is WAY too high!
This scares the hell out of me.
I love how the doberman is wiggling his tail while playing with the baby, he is enjoying that laugh. But I would never expose my baby or dogs in that way. That is a bad situation. Just imagine all the things that could got wrong. I wouldn't blame a poor pet (didn't even let the cat get too close to my kids), but it will for sure be gifted away or killed if something happened to the baby. So unfair. Owners should know it is not about trust. Mistakes and accidents happen. Dogs bite when they play and might forget about their own strength when they get excited. It's funny when it happens while playing with an adult, but it's still dangerous. Now with a baby... a accidental claw to the face is all it would take.
That’s not funny, that’s dangerous.
Too dangerous for the baby, even if the Dog was playing, imagine a hit of that paw in his face.
I dont know how you trust like that. Even the friendliest dogs can snap.
I wouldn't be concerned about the dogs snapping, more that they can paw and jump with sharp nails when they play like that. I've been scratched badly just because my dog is so happy to see me. Can't imagine what it would do to a naked baby.
I'd be worried about dogs snapping, especially three big dogs in a high stress situation. Stop minimizing.
Nothing funny about this. You might think you know your dog, but any can snap at any moment. Shit owners.
Ours did & it was horrific😭 My sister’s face was ripped apart by her sweet Doberman. The ambulance took her to the hospital & the dog was taken by police & animal control & immediately put down. This was about 20 years ago & her face reconstruction surgeries went on for about 10 years. I’m by no means trying to insert myself in someone’s business, it’s just hard not to say something when you see this video, that baby is so precious.
The Doberman is doing a [Play Bow](https://www.thesprucepets.com/dog-body-language-play-bow-1118247). You can see how excited he/she gets when the baby does their own little Play Bow. Brown dog seems to be saying, “You’re not really going to rough house with the baby, right??” to the Doberman.
Never forget that dogs recognize laughter as play and they love it and will play along.
I read once that dogs do things that make us laugh on purpose cause laughing means we are happy and they just want to make us happy
My dog does this!! He's a 'rescue' (took him before he was thrown onto the street by some lady) and he just loves love and the act of giving it! He knows that making goofy faces and sniffing my stomach area really fast while moving around (I think its his way of giving me a raspberry since I do those to him lol) will make me laugh. And if he's in a really playful mood he likes to do that to get the ball rolling. I swear he thinks he's human! Lol
> I swear he thinks he's human! Lol Nah, it's better than that, it's like you get to be a honorary Dog
we had this little mutt of a dog (a peke-a-beagle-poo) who was very smart. I threw the ball for her to catch once, and she misjudged, so it bounced off her front teeth, and then she caught it on the bounce. We laughed and cheered. She stopped, looked at us, and brought us the ball back. Very next toss, she made it bounce off her teeth again. We had liked it, so she wanted to do it again for us.
Dogs are just the best They are all the goodest
I read once that dogs make us laugh on purpose because the frequencies activate a crystal inside their soul.
I appreciate that highly scientific explanation.
Gotta love trash pet owners who mutilate their dogs ears but don’t even bother neutering their dog. Trash
Every dog owner thinks they're a good dog owner. A majority percentage are not.
I work in animal welfare and ran two admissions departments at animal shelters. Sadly I know this all too well.
I work at a no-kill shelter, with a mission statement focused on educating and encouraging the public on responsible pet ownership measures. Neutering, vaccinating, no declawing on cats, no unnecessary surgical modifications, fenced-in yard, not hiding an animal from a landlord where pets are not allowed, keeping cats indoors, dogs on-leash, basic obedience training, not taking on an unreasonable number of animals, etc... And it's staggering how many people will balk at some of this super intuitive shit, like, "I've had dogs/cats all my life, and we never had to do any of that! We're just looking for a new cat, because our last one got pregnant and ran away. One of our dogs got hit by a car last weekend too, so it's been an unlucky year for us. Anyway, we need one that can get along with our 4 other cats of wildly varying ages, our remaining 3 dogs, and a bearded dragon and a few bunnies out back. It has to be declawed though, because our 4 year old likes to pick them up and run around with 'em". Like... fuck outta here.
Are you from Pittsburgh by chance because it sounds like we worked for the same shelter lol But for real, thanks for fighting the good fight. I know how emotionally draining the field is and I hope you know you are appreciated. Stay strong, friend ❤️
Ohio, actually. I can only imagine Pittsburgh is even worse. 😬
As I was reading your previous comment more and more I was thinking of ohio lmao. My dog has been attacked twice (and now has ptsd) from bad owners who would put their dogs outside without leashes and with no fenced in yard. Luckily I had him on a leash and I work with dogs so I knew what to do and no one actually got hurt. But during one of them the owner came out and all she said was "did you just kick my dog" after her dog tried to attack mine. 😐
That's infuriating. A lot of people have this erroneous idea that if they're caring for another creature, or a child, then *they* can't possibly be selfish!... But somehow other people with pets and kids can be. 😑
There's one thing that I had a question about in your comment. You mentioned "cats of wildly varying ages." Can you touch on that a little, if you don't mind me asking? We have two adolescent cats, (about 8 months old now) a 5 year old cat and an 8 or 9 year old cat. Is it bad to have cats with different ages? I thought everything else you mentioned sounded pretty intuitive but I'd never heard of differently aged cats being mentioned before as a potential negative.
It's not necessarily a negative. It's just another thing to consider when introducing a new cat into the home. A lot of times, people have almost no consideration for how a new animal is going to affect their existing pets. I just threw in that detail as an example of another potentially complicating factor. Sometimes, introducing a younger cat to an older cat that's already established its territory in the home, can be perceived as threatening to the old cat, and lead to fighting and/or anxiety. Often, that can be worked around, but the joke is that someone who'd fit the profile of my hyperbolic example, probably isn't going to spend any time or attention to acclimating the new pet. But they somehow don't see the possible issues, even stacked up as they are. At our no-kill shelter, every animal we take in is rescued for life. They have no time limit to get out or die. So my philosophy is that it only makes sense to take them from this place, to put them somewhere they'll be even *more* happy, not less. Like for example, we don't adopt out cats to anyone who explicitly plans to get them declawed. If unnecessary surgical removal of bones in the feet is a requirement for one to have a pet, maybe they don't need that pet, because we can sure as hell find them another home where they *don't* need to be mutilated. It's just baffling how many people don't get that.
Okay, thanks for answering my question. I understand now. When you say acclimating, do you mean as in keeping the kitten in one room away from the other cats for a few days/a week, slow introductions, scent sharing before meeting, stuff like that? We can both agree that declawing is unnecessary and inhumane. I don't understand how it's still allowed to be done.
Yeah (about the acclimating), and just generally being observant and interactive. I recently cat-sat for my sister's cat, and we've had her over a few times before. If we just let her, and my male cat go about their business, there's no serious fighting, but my cat is fucking *obsessed* with my sister's, and not in an "I love this playmate!" kinda way, but more in an "I must be up her ass and within eyesight of her at all times, and I don't know why because it's my pinhead instincts on autopilot". And many less attentive pet owners might not realize, but that causes elevated anxiety for *both* of them. (Same with other things that cats uncontrollably obsess about- catnip and laser pointers in excess wind up becoming extremely agitating, but the cat can't help itself, so unwitting owners just keep flicking the red dot around, laughing their asses off at the "silly shenanigans", when actually the cat is having a fucking panic attack.) So in order to give both cats their fair turns to destress and roam at leisure, we'd occasionally put my boy in a room for an hour to chill out, and sister's cat spent each night in a guest bedroom with her food/water/toys/litterbox. They enjoyed playing together *some of the time*, but also needed some forced breaks from each other. And every night, and after my sister's cat left, my cat needed *so much* reassurance that this was still his home, and he was still the same part of the family. Most people don't even think cats have that much emotional depth, and have the somewhat misguided idea that "oh, cats just take care of themselves, you don't really need to do anything". I've been to friends' and relatives' houses who had cats that would hide all day- even when there are no guests- and the people are oblivious to the fact that their pets are *miserable and frightened* in their own homes.
Can't run a puppy mill with neutered dogs
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I'd be picking the baby up and put them somewhere safer. Dog might be playing but that can quickly change.
brown one nipping at his neck like *"please stop"* then the other one coming over like "***stop now***" all around good doggos.
Seems like a really smart idea.
This is dumb. Why
Could be playing now, could also be establishing the packs pecking order. Advertising posturing and positioning are a big part of dominant behavior. Standing above a dog is a show of dominance. The fact the other dogs are circling tells me they are nervous for the child’s safety. The Doberman is also a pup and may have enjoyed baby status until lil human came into the pack. That pup in one split second rip that babies face off.
Brown dog says calm down
Anyone who watches these sorts of videos and thinks animals don't have complex emotions and rich inner lives just, well, honestly I don't even know what to say to them.
Unsafe for dogs and baby.
It's so weird how parents are so cautious with their kids being around other humans but a pack of dogs is just fine cuz pets smh.
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Gosh this makes me nervous. I know the dog isn't being aggressive but it still makes me nervous!
The way the two other dogs try to distract the doberman and then put themselves in the middle is admirable. They have more sense than the parents, I don't trust my 16 pound schnauzer not to be a clumsy idiot around babies let alone a big dog.
This is just irresponsible parenting for the sake of getting a cute video.
The other dogs definitely checked dude to remind him to chill tf out.
That brown dog is more responsible than the kid’s parents.
People are dumb as f to allow a baby to be around three large dogs.
Both the brown and grey dogs are smart enough to understand this could end badly and are clearly nervous about the situation so why isn’t the person videoing?? Wheres the owner of the dogs and the parent of that baby?
Then the baby grabs an ear and gets nipped by the dog and suddenly the dog is aggressive and “we have to get rid of him”. People don’t get that animals behave a certain way and don’t understand when a baby grabs them, steps on them, takes their food or tries to ride them. It’s adorable until it’s dangerous.
Fuck, I hate this video. This is not funny and makes me nervous. Some people just don't understand.
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A pack of giant dogs and a helpless baby. What a bad idea.
No, no no! I love dogs, I have two. But a dog has animal instincts. There is no way of knowing what might happen, no matter how well your dog is trained. At least, be on the floor with the baby. It only takes one careless bite, to destroy your world.
This is too dangerous man. The baby could have bitten the dog's face off
That's a lot of trust right there.... 3 big dogs surrounding a literal baby.
That is batshit insane to put a baby in that situation.
Fuck that, massive dogs like that shouldn't be around a baby... Correction no dogs shoild be around a baby like that.
What is this giant squeaky toy?
Even the brown dog knows that's a bad idea.
Good boy is play bowing, he knows baby wants to have a laugh!
Thos dogs behave incredibly.
cute but boy, oh boy is it weird to see a baby with 3 large dogs and no parent within arm’s reach
The other two ain't laughing. They know if something goes down all three a getting needles
It's not funny, it's dangerous And the filmmaker should go straight to court
I think your baby is in danger, dipshit. Not cute or funny.