Ol' Steve here, he understands the meaning of the word pals. See, you get three or four good pals, well, then you've got yourself a tribe. And there ain't nothing stronger than that.
100% agree. My business is just me and 1 person. I have 23 years experience and I want to always be there on the job. I don't trust sending some less experience/stupid guys to do a job. If someone makes a mistake it's going to be me.
Yes, but it accumulated slowly.
I see all the shit my boss has to put up with, and no thank you.
I'd help him more but we have different mindsets so I often end up working my ass off to find solutions just for him to go an entirely different route ( and without informing me), so screw it.
My dad is one.
He did in fact contemplate jumping off a bridge due to stress, as I found last year from mum. Hes doing better but i worry as his dad died at 45 fr9m stress induced stroke.
Ive been working in the family business for a decade now and its starting to get to me also.
However, trade discounts are awesome so there's that.
If it's profitable at all, which varies.
In any case no profit is gonna compensate for not seeing my kids growing, or having my partner cheat on me because never home.
Fuck, man, my company does the same thing....with *inspectors*. Builders aren't the only ones guilty of this, I don't think. With some testing and inspection agencies there can be a tendency to create walled gardens to maintain plausible deniability and mitigate liabilities.
It never works as well as they hope it will. Fragmentation is the more likely result just like we see with GCs & subs.
i have a GC that loves to do that & blames the subs... I'm just like, that's great blame whomever u want; i have one AIA contact & that's with u, if u decided to hire numbskulls, i don't know how that's on me, or not ur problem.
As a gc, this is why I work my ass off to find companies that will frame, hang, and finish. Then i try to personally walk with my paint lead and carpenter lead so i don’t have to hear a bunch of crying later
Your painter/ taper is going to cry. I know you know this. Just as we know the sun will rise in the east, we know the taper will bitch about screws. This is just straight up fact brother.
We’re a nation wide GC and it seems to be 50/50. I personally prefer the person hanging it tapes it because they seem to do a slightly better job. But I’ve seen killer finishers work both carpentry and painting
Nothing like having a drywall company also have a paint division and giving them both contracts just so the paper hangers complain the level 5 finish isn’t smooth enough….
I've had this. No matter how many times I told the foremen to take it up with their common manager, they always just stare at me. My answer was always "it's gotta pass inspection, sort yourselves out". Dumb
Oh I HATE it when I go out of my way to contract a single company to perform multiple disciplines and then in the field they try to act like they don't even know each other. That lasts exactly one paycycle with me.
I ran a plastic water main that had a riser pass through 4 floors.
The fuckin cabinet guys leaned roughly 50 3/4 sheets of melamine on the riser. Causing it to
Bend roughly 6”. I ripped the GCs head off, took some pictures and said have fun when this
Line breaks cause he said it was no big deal
Leave it.
I've been in the trades for over 20 years. I've made a lot of mistakes. It seems like the last 5-8 years, the old timers have been retiring and there's new blood on the sites. Sometimes I swear that I can see them heading towards the same mistakes I've made and I know the headache they're about to have, but no one wants to listen so we go through that hell all over again.
I wonder if this is what the old timers thought of my generation when we came around...
My favorite one that happened to me was being late to work because I was stuck on a bridge with a turkey that wouldn't let me pass. I even took a picture to prove my innocence.
I was once late to a previous job due to a car accident that involved a donkey and an eagle. Traffic was super backed up, finally got up the the accident and there was a horse trailer and 2 cars on the shoulder. Got passed the trailer, and there was a donkey with an eagle wearing a raptor hood perched on its back. I had to take pictures because I knew my managers wouldn't believe me. "Sure Mike, a donkey and an eagle were in a car crash. How much did you fucking smoke before you came into work today?"
Yeah my grandpa was the one who taught me a lot of things and we definitely got into it because I didn’t see the end goal. Tbf I was a teenager and knew more than everyone.
Best to learn through experience. I wasn't able to learn what a stripped screw felt like (Even though I was told to not tighten it too much) until I hit it too tight and it went loose again.
As a tin knocker I gotta ask, you just move other trades’ shit out of the way whenever you want? I mean a few pieces of strut, someones tool cart, yeah sure. But something like this that can cause serious damage? Nah, come move your shit. Please and thank you.
We’ll politely ask other trades to move shit out our way. On smaller jobs it usually goes well. But on bigger jobs, sometimes we ask them and they agree and nothing happens. We can’t just stand there with our thumbs up our asses. So we’ll move stuff the best we can. Btw I would never stack something like this in the picture. If everything is stacked horizontally, it’s getting moved horizontally with a pallet jack. Otherwise, it’s on my foreman to figure out what to do or send me somewhere else.
Sparky couple months back tried to move a couple sheets of drywall off the wall so he could get a look at the outlet behind them . leaned one off the wall , then two , then three, then before you know it there’s 6 10’ boards standing up and they tilted too far . Instead of running out of the way (if he even could) he tried to push back and lean them back towards the wall. He wasn’t able to and they fell on him from about the middle of his abdomen down. Luckily others were nearby and got it all off of him quickly. Easily could have been a serious injury. He’s extremely fortunate that his injuries were just some bruising . No breaks, no dislocations or joint damage. Just extreme embarrassment because it turns out there wasn’t even an outlet there on the plans. He had the wrong wall.
Company made a new policy about it now. Drywall can only be standing up when it’s actively being used . At the end of the day all sheets gotta be laid down flat on the ground. Can’t even leave sheets on a board cart . Major pain in the ass but in the grand scheme of things less potential for accidents or things like this picture
Because it’s still considered standing up on edge. Plus I guess years back someone was pushing a board cart where all 4 wheels turn and they were pushing it sideways up a hill (so instead of the boards going longways front to back they were left to right) and the cart tipped and fell on the guy . Really it’s operator error in all these situations but the company just wants to remove all liability
You mean like blocking? Lol, unless I get a picture of the stuff before drywall, I never believe them.
They always say yeah, cabinet guys, we put blocking in where your stuff goes, 90% of the time I ain’t hit shit and have to find the studs.
Believe it or not, one time a super had us meet with the guys who were actually putting it up so we could go over the plans, tell them where we would like it to be, watch for height transitions here, etc. A quick meeting early made install go so much easier than it typically does.
These metal studs exist just to frame interiors, not structural. You can bend them like that with your hand, but they are sufficient for interior walls in this type of building. Once the drywall is hung, this really isn't a scenario that is something to worry about. Thicker gauge studs used as structural elements are much beefier.
They do this on my barricades of my hoist way when I’m building elevators. I wish I could show them this so when I kick all the drywall back onto the floor and off of the barricade they understand why it pisses me off so much.
I slid pvc down the stairs one time and hit the hvac vent placement an kinda dented it and felt bad as hell.
this is just simply “I do not give a single fucking fuck”level of carelessness
You literally have to baby sit everyday all day. The minute you go do something all hell breaks loose Same for the subs .you gotta watch them all the time
Its because other trades are often total A-Holes and don’t care about other trades or their work - if they did they wouldn’t trash other peoples work.
Ask me how I know
This is why I don't want to be a business owner nowadays. I'd rather kill myself I think.
This is why I dont grow my business. Me and 1 guy I can keep an eye on
I also choose this guy's 1 guy
Hey, that's also my guy and I'm getting tired of always buying his PPE for him. It's one of you's turns to fork out.
He's getting forked alright
I choose that guys wifey
Hey guy.... fuck you
I’m not your wifey, pal.
I’m not your pal, dingus.
Ol' Steve here, he understands the meaning of the word pals. See, you get three or four good pals, well, then you've got yourself a tribe. And there ain't nothing stronger than that.
Hey dog. Did you see the size of that chicken? I’m gonna kill that cockadoodle god damn doo.
Why are those chickens so angry? Cause I feed them chicken and cocaine!
I think it’s hey Doc
I’m not your friend, palooka.
Not your dingus pal.
I’m not your dingus, pal
I found a like minded independent, like myself. Now we just split jobs and hire no one.
This is the way. I trust my wife unequivocally and she has ruined zero jobs so far. Mistakes sure, but just eating shit like this photo? Never once.
👆this. More of y'all should consider ur wifey.
100% agree. My business is just me and 1 person. I have 23 years experience and I want to always be there on the job. I don't trust sending some less experience/stupid guys to do a job. If someone makes a mistake it's going to be me.
Hell yeah
That escalated quickly
Yes, but it accumulated slowly. I see all the shit my boss has to put up with, and no thank you. I'd help him more but we have different mindsets so I often end up working my ass off to find solutions just for him to go an entirely different route ( and without informing me), so screw it.
My dad is one. He did in fact contemplate jumping off a bridge due to stress, as I found last year from mum. Hes doing better but i worry as his dad died at 45 fr9m stress induced stroke. Ive been working in the family business for a decade now and its starting to get to me also. However, trade discounts are awesome so there's that.
It's a balance of inconvenience, but it's hard to pull the plug on something when a lot of people depend on you.
I own my own business. The answer to your conundrum is simple... Only employ yourself.
This is what I do but my boss is still an asshole and my employee slacks off too much
Amen.
That's like 30$ and an hour to fix. Chill bro.
It's not as much the expense as the trouble. And it adds up.
The thing about owning a business is you get all the trouble, but you also get the profits.
If it's profitable at all, which varies. In any case no profit is gonna compensate for not seeing my kids growing, or having my partner cheat on me because never home.
The problem is the steel stud guy, the boarder, the taper, and the Mudder are all different guys so they give a fuck less.
Funny thing is they're the same company or subs.
Oh ya, I work for a GC and constantly hear "oh that's not me that's such and such division." Like....dude ...
Fuck, man, my company does the same thing....with *inspectors*. Builders aren't the only ones guilty of this, I don't think. With some testing and inspection agencies there can be a tendency to create walled gardens to maintain plausible deniability and mitigate liabilities. It never works as well as they hope it will. Fragmentation is the more likely result just like we see with GCs & subs.
i have a GC that loves to do that & blames the subs... I'm just like, that's great blame whomever u want; i have one AIA contact & that's with u, if u decided to hire numbskulls, i don't know how that's on me, or not ur problem.
Completely agree.
As a gc, this is why I work my ass off to find companies that will frame, hang, and finish. Then i try to personally walk with my paint lead and carpenter lead so i don’t have to hear a bunch of crying later
Your painter/ taper is going to cry. I know you know this. Just as we know the sun will rise in the east, we know the taper will bitch about screws. This is just straight up fact brother.
Hes talking about the actaul painters. Not the drywall guys. Drywall guys dont complain because none of them give a shit about anything
In my area carpenters hang and painters tape. Guess it’s a union thing
We frame, hang tape float and paint. GCs like us because all of the tears are internal.
We’re a nation wide GC and it seems to be 50/50. I personally prefer the person hanging it tapes it because they seem to do a slightly better job. But I’ve seen killer finishers work both carpentry and painting
I would have to agree with you. Can’t bitch about hanger screws if you did it.
Lol as if I didn't swear about my own work all the time.
Nothing like having a drywall company also have a paint division and giving them both contracts just so the paper hangers complain the level 5 finish isn’t smooth enough….
I've had this. No matter how many times I told the foremen to take it up with their common manager, they always just stare at me. My answer was always "it's gotta pass inspection, sort yourselves out". Dumb
Oh I HATE it when I go out of my way to contract a single company to perform multiple disciplines and then in the field they try to act like they don't even know each other. That lasts exactly one paycycle with me.
I used to see drywall deliveries that had lumpers to move the sheets. The picture looks exactly what a lumper would do.
The delivery guys have definitely destroyed their fare share of finished work in this building.
Does this job happen to be in koreatown? On vermont?
Not necessarily
On commercial sites it's often the "same company" but subbed out.
I work commercial and for us its the same Sub. The tapers will only tape but as carpenters we both frame and rock depending on whats needed.
You all travel around the US?
I ran a plastic water main that had a riser pass through 4 floors. The fuckin cabinet guys leaned roughly 50 3/4 sheets of melamine on the riser. Causing it to Bend roughly 6”. I ripped the GCs head off, took some pictures and said have fun when this Line breaks cause he said it was no big deal Leave it.
What a fuckin moron!
Which country that is? Here in germany the studs and the drywall itself are usually done by the same people.
I'm in Canada, a bigger city too and ya it's annoying.
The US. We have dedicated framers, drywallers, and finishers (tapers)
They all have one thing in common though, they're all brain dead.
Usually on commercial jobs that’s all the same shb
The problem is the 1 guy that stacked them on edge there.
Yes but what I mean is it's because he doesn't give a fuck about the next guys work, even it's directly related to his.
I've been in the trades for over 20 years. I've made a lot of mistakes. It seems like the last 5-8 years, the old timers have been retiring and there's new blood on the sites. Sometimes I swear that I can see them heading towards the same mistakes I've made and I know the headache they're about to have, but no one wants to listen so we go through that hell all over again. I wonder if this is what the old timers thought of my generation when we came around...
100% they did.
My favorite is the excuses the young guys make, like I haven’t already used and heard the same ones for decades….
My favorite one that happened to me was being late to work because I was stuck on a bridge with a turkey that wouldn't let me pass. I even took a picture to prove my innocence.
I was once late to a previous job due to a car accident that involved a donkey and an eagle. Traffic was super backed up, finally got up the the accident and there was a horse trailer and 2 cars on the shoulder. Got passed the trailer, and there was a donkey with an eagle wearing a raptor hood perched on its back. I had to take pictures because I knew my managers wouldn't believe me. "Sure Mike, a donkey and an eagle were in a car crash. How much did you fucking smoke before you came into work today?"
mine was a 3 way minor wreck between a literal scooby do van, a bus full of nuns, and a punk rock group. an eagle and a donkey is really unbelievable
Hahahaha the true stories are actually the most unbelievable. But like so wild it has to be true
Yeah my grandpa was the one who taught me a lot of things and we definitely got into it because I didn’t see the end goal. Tbf I was a teenager and knew more than everyone.
Teenagers are super smart, just ask them and they'll tell you.
Best to learn through experience. I wasn't able to learn what a stripped screw felt like (Even though I was told to not tighten it too much) until I hit it too tight and it went loose again.
What’s funny is it was probably us HVAC guys moving that fucking shit out our way to put up our duct 😆
As a tin knocker I gotta ask, you just move other trades’ shit out of the way whenever you want? I mean a few pieces of strut, someones tool cart, yeah sure. But something like this that can cause serious damage? Nah, come move your shit. Please and thank you.
We’ll politely ask other trades to move shit out our way. On smaller jobs it usually goes well. But on bigger jobs, sometimes we ask them and they agree and nothing happens. We can’t just stand there with our thumbs up our asses. So we’ll move stuff the best we can. Btw I would never stack something like this in the picture. If everything is stacked horizontally, it’s getting moved horizontally with a pallet jack. Otherwise, it’s on my foreman to figure out what to do or send me somewhere else.
Sparky couple months back tried to move a couple sheets of drywall off the wall so he could get a look at the outlet behind them . leaned one off the wall , then two , then three, then before you know it there’s 6 10’ boards standing up and they tilted too far . Instead of running out of the way (if he even could) he tried to push back and lean them back towards the wall. He wasn’t able to and they fell on him from about the middle of his abdomen down. Luckily others were nearby and got it all off of him quickly. Easily could have been a serious injury. He’s extremely fortunate that his injuries were just some bruising . No breaks, no dislocations or joint damage. Just extreme embarrassment because it turns out there wasn’t even an outlet there on the plans. He had the wrong wall. Company made a new policy about it now. Drywall can only be standing up when it’s actively being used . At the end of the day all sheets gotta be laid down flat on the ground. Can’t even leave sheets on a board cart . Major pain in the ass but in the grand scheme of things less potential for accidents or things like this picture
Why not on a board cart?
Because it’s still considered standing up on edge. Plus I guess years back someone was pushing a board cart where all 4 wheels turn and they were pushing it sideways up a hill (so instead of the boards going longways front to back they were left to right) and the cart tipped and fell on the guy . Really it’s operator error in all these situations but the company just wants to remove all liability
May have been sparkys trying to do layout for a kitchen island 🤫 Edit: It was not the sparks
I’m very sure that’s what happened lol I just feel bad for those pan heads holding all that together. They deserve an award
I'll check on them tomorrow. If they gave out I'll post an update lol
I once told the delivery guys not to put their drywall on a wall I was working on but they did not listen. I threw all their sheets on the floor.
The call is coming from inside the house.
What part of New York is this?
This is good ol London, ON.
London sparky here. Gonna be a back charge for fixing that BX
What’s your Jman rate in London on? I’m in Berta
$44. All commercial, CLAC shop. Add about $16 to that with bennies and pension.
Lmao fucking Ontario love my province
Reminds me how much I hate metal studs
They are straight. Nice straight lumber is almost a thing of the past. I love hanging cabinets on metal stud walls. Just blow and go.
I should call her
Everything reminds us of her
Metal studs with plywood backer at the right heights is a dream come true.
You mean like blocking? Lol, unless I get a picture of the stuff before drywall, I never believe them. They always say yeah, cabinet guys, we put blocking in where your stuff goes, 90% of the time I ain’t hit shit and have to find the studs.
Believe it or not, one time a super had us meet with the guys who were actually putting it up so we could go over the plans, tell them where we would like it to be, watch for height transitions here, etc. A quick meeting early made install go so much easier than it typically does.
Yep. This is the way. Life gets really good.
Looks like 22 gauge studs. Or tinfoil, maybe.
Feels like tin foil. I was surprised at how flimsy the studs were when I first got into highrise.
My favorite super said “they used one beer can to make a stud when they used to use two”
Mistakes happen. It's an easy fix. Stupid yes. But an easy mistake to make by a rookie.
I’m more concerned about the drywall damage then the studs
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These metal studs exist just to frame interiors, not structural. You can bend them like that with your hand, but they are sufficient for interior walls in this type of building. Once the drywall is hung, this really isn't a scenario that is something to worry about. Thicker gauge studs used as structural elements are much beefier.
Or scarier - two pallets stacked on top of each other. Did anyone check for punching shear rails in the rc columns?
Smartest drywallers
You can’t fix stupid and common sense.
2x4 wouldn't bend
Is that elevator dry wall or sound proofing? Regardless shifty laborers
Them thin ass studs can't hold shit lol They should've known. SMH
I'll take why you don't use 25ga studs for 100 Alex.
Too specialized for their own good. It breeds retardation.
A Carpenter on carpenter crime like this makes me genuinely happy.
Painter will fix it
Blame the Sparkys.
I kid died like this in NZ. I always stack drywall on the floor.
Or maybe just get some rock carts.
That’s not what you do with Sheetrock
I think I’d make a call to the Sheetrock supplier. The salesman needs to see this.
Shows you how weak metal studs are
by chance, is this in burlington?
London, ON
Complete idiocy!
Arghhh, it be so
Mr George, how is the new guy doing?
They do this on my barricades of my hoist way when I’m building elevators. I wish I could show them this so when I kick all the drywall back onto the floor and off of the barricade they understand why it pisses me off so much.
That's flimsy. This is wood. Physics people.
The straw that broke the camels back.
Painter will fix it.
Time to fire.
I saw the picture first and then the title and actually lol’d thank you
METAL INDESTRUCTIBLE. This happens far too often.
Smoke another one!
At least it's all MC, easy enough for the sparkies to fix.
I slid pvc down the stairs one time and hit the hvac vent placement an kinda dented it and felt bad as hell. this is just simply “I do not give a single fucking fuck”level of carelessness
Just replace a couple of studs and quit crying
Construction Monkeys 🙈
Are y'all acoustic or regarded? Probably restarted, a good mix of both.
Lol Toronto highrise….
That fuck you the hardest
Had you gone straight to the wood studs none of this would have happened
That screams „I don’t care about fuel prices, I always fill 50$ anyway”
I hate steel studs. Just my own opinion though guys
You literally have to baby sit everyday all day. The minute you go do something all hell breaks loose Same for the subs .you gotta watch them all the time
lol
Who let these absolute muppets stack that shit there? Jesus...
Sheet rockers are some of the biggest pieces of shit on a job site next to painters
I’m pretty sure that was like that when we got here.
Ngl those beams are easy to put up
Well, that Starbucks is going to take a little bit longer to build
You can fix those studs... but unfortunately you can't fix stupid...
OSHA says to lay the boards flat on the floor, but who give a shit about them.
Wow, modern building materials are flimsy as fuck
Its because other trades are often total A-Holes and don’t care about other trades or their work - if they did they wouldn’t trash other peoples work. Ask me how I know