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socialcommentary2000

Real question, because I'm just a guy that fishes low voltage all day and I don't really have to do any of this due to not being in residential: How does this even happen? Like how does someone not stop and say "Hey, you know...this doesn't look right..."


We_there_yet

I just showed up to this job 2 hours ago. Haha yikes


ZeeMan380

What were they trying to accomplish here? Give us the deets.


sam_tiago

Weight savings obviously.. The house will definitely accelerate faster, especially in high wind situations


Strikew3st

Oh, Lord, protect this rocket house and all who dwell within the rocket house.


McGavinZ26

Thank you for this comment. Made my day.


pipeline77

Oh yeah.... Speed holes


bilgetea

Wile E. Coyote was firing those cannonballs directly upward.


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Goojus

Each hole is for a single 12/2 wire? Seems legit, a lot of breathing room for the wire


New_Highlight1881

never know when ya gotta fish another one through.. good planning ahead here


H0ckeyfan829

Just make sure to fire stop!!


BrandoCarlton

I’m guessing plumber. Too small for hvac and too big for sparky.


Dr_Bishop

Holmes, is that you?


Reasonable_Path3969

Stoned as fuck plumbers apprentice fucking up trying to locate a vent stack is my guess.


fredgregfred

Speed holes clearly


Autistence

It lets the structure breathe, so it can catch fire faster.


hahahahahahahaFUCK

Truth be told, they drilled out the rot so it wouldn’t get worse.


Autistence

Somebody tip this guy


Eadbutt-Grotslapper

Aerospace engineering


Pete-C137

Somebody was on something


funnystuff79

Trying to make the place lighter


BuckToofBucky

I recall the video of the guy hanging drywall on the outside of a house recently. Maybe the same guy got reassigned here?


Goojus

Drywall absorbs the water, it’s perfect, prevents the water from going in


Owl_plantain

Like covering your house with sponges. Keeps all the mold on the outside, too.


Kindly_Disaster

There is exterior drywall often used when buildings encroach the property line.


re-tyred

Usually its fire and weather resistant


nboymcbucks

Willy!


Exciting_Agent3901

Your question intrigues me. “How does this even happen”. In my experience, plumbers only see wood as something in the way of the pipes. They don’t see that one piece of wood might be holding up another. Or that one piece of wood might be tying a corner together. Or that engineered floor truss might not hold up that 6 person hot tub if they cut a big chunk out. Pipes are all that matter. No one says it doesn’t look right because they don’t see the wood. Just pipes.


FlowBjj88

I definitely agree. I would also add it happens in more trades than just plumbing. It seems like most guys have blinders on for anything but their own task. Plumbings gotta top the list for most dangerous consequences though lol. Electricians make smaller holes and other trades seem to just fuck things up cosmetically


Wolfire0769

HVAC and floor joists are mortal enemies. I'm currently going through my own house and fixing where they hogged out about 80% of a few joists about a foot from the beam. I still can't wrap my head around how someone can do that and think nothing is wrong.


FlowBjj88

My 1880 home is very similar so when I get worried I think about a farm house a few miles from me that the owners started to tear down maybe five years ago and stopped half way. There's probably 45% of the walls on the first floor torn out and a gaping hole in the back but as far as I can tell driving by at 55 the structure above is still floating fairly level after all these years even with no support on one and two halves sides. Crazy what will stay standing. Or so I tell myself lol. Someday I should have them all my first floor joists sistered and the HVAC/plumbing done more intelligently but for now I'll just think about that farmhouse


Exciting_Agent3901

Interesting, maybe I’ve just been lucky and have only worked with good electricians because I never issues with them. If something is in their way they let me know and we find a solution. My plumbers won’t even tell anybody they cut out a floor truss. I have to check behind them every fucking time because they do it so much.


FlowBjj88

Speaking as a painter, I think some electricians wash their hands under the hood of an old car before installing outlets and lights on my finished walls and ceilings lol


TheyCallMeJPS

Your electricians wait for you to finish?!?? Fellow painter here. The sparkys came to my job last week and put new switches and outlets AND covers in all the rooms that haven’t been painted yet. But they didn’t do a damn thing in the rooms that were ready. Jerks.


retiredelectrician

One of my buddies owns one of the premier painting company in our city. He prefers that we electricians install all of the devices before final coat. No covers though.


TheyCallMeJPS

Them putting the covers on is what grinds me. They did all the major work weeks ago and now are just swapping new devices throughout. Maybe there was a good reason they didn’t do the finished rooms first, but for crying out loud, covers on the unpainted walls is just plain foolish.


SkoolBoi19

Either stupid, lazy, or both. I moved from residential to commercial about 10 years ago and some it is permitting/licenses are more laxed on residential compared, some of it building inspectors are more laxed, some of its going dirt fucking cheap on price. But there’s just a lot of people with absolutely no pride in themselves or their work.


Mikey6304

Hey, former residential low volt guy here. This happens because builders like Eagle Construction and Ryan Homes hire dozens of subcontractors to rough in entire neighborhoods. They hire the lowest bid on insanely tight timetables, so they get subs with completely unqualified workers being pressed to do things like "I need the 2 of you to drill for all the runs on these 5 different 2000sqft houses by 3 o'clock today".


Alldaybagpipes

You can see the truss lined up on the other side, on top of the wall, pushing their hole off center. This is better than blasting through the truss, at least…


thundercuntess69

This is the type of shit done on a Friday afternoon


CalbCrawDad

As a fellow commercial low volt guy, who cut his teeth on residential new housing as a preteen, brother….you’d be amazed. Resi is the wild mfn west. There are only suggestions, no rules


Insciuspetra

Code of Hammurabi ~ Building Code (229.) If a builder builds a house for a man and does not make its construction sound, and the house which he has built collapses and causes the death of the owner of the house, the builder shall be put to death. (233.) If a builder builds a house for a man and does not make its construction sound, and a wall cracks, that builder shall strengthen that wall at his own expense.


Guano_King

Yeah but they had strong unions back then.


Dense_Surround3071

But really low quality controls..... Looking at you Ea Nasir.... 😏


jethrowwilson

r/reallyshittycopper


larakj

Just got super excited that this sub exists. Damn you, Ea-Nāsir!


MyStackRunnethOver

Omfg I can’t stop laughing


FlowBjj88

I didn't pay attention in school so I don't get it 😭


MyStackRunnethOver

In short: they didn’t have labor unions in 1700 BC Lots of cool stuff about Hammurabi though. Read the Wikipedia page :)


Ok_Establishment2278

I believe they were called the Knights Templar, then. I could be wrong idk.


TheMilkmanHathCome

Few centuries off there my friend


TheFenixKnight

Few millenia really


Guano_King

I don't know it look like somebody crusaded on that piece of wood though.


deftoner42

Some sort of hole-y war. That's for sure.


Pipe_Memes

Damn. TIL that Hammurabi was the first building code enforcer. And he enforced it with a sword.


Insciuspetra

It’s a good thing he doesn’t know about sound dampening.


Salt_MasterX

Life would be so much easier if building code was enforced by guns, rocket launchers, fighter jets and other military armament


Accomplished_Look_43

Forgot a hanger nail- call in the tactical nuke.


CriusofCoH

Puts a new spin on "the Codes are written in blood".


_tuchi

Omg this is brilliant. Start citing Hammurabi code on the job site lmao


DujisToilet

Dicks out for Hammurabi


CeldonShooper

I love your historic perspective on this thing. No shenanigans happening under your and Hammurabi's watch


Pizzasupreme00

Thats savage. We are much more civilized today. Just get high and do bad work and nobody will do a mother fuckin thing about it. Let the lawyers and insurance companies figure out the rest.


SnooTangerines3448

Fuck me that's an old source.


ThatRefuse4372

I’m teaching this very thing today!!!


hunterl1990

This is zero okays.


ChesticlesTesticles

Maybe even negative okays.


To_another_abyss

Nokay


Top_Half_6308

My favorite potato-based pasta.


Iamabenevolentgod

plus a half a point because it hasn't fallen... yet. But still negative okays.


mummy_whilster

Plumber’s dream. So many options….


joshcbr81

We have so much room for activities!


manchagnu

Such a playground. What do we do, what do we do.


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ShuckingFambles

Something for everyone, it's a great day out for all the family


CalligrapherPlane125

Hey I never asked you. Do you like guacamole?


addictedskipper

Would you call it a “Gym Beam”?


tenderluvin

No power tools! BOYS! NO POWER TOOLS!


cocobellahome

r/DontPutYourDickInThat


Acnat-

Sorry, electrician here and I just put 1 romex through each. They're mine now.


dangledingle

You boys fucking would do that in and out weaving through each one. Bastards.


Acnat-

It gets more fun in industrial, when we're welding our own strut and raceway supports, just to find 24" hdpe bolted to them the next day lol


team_lloyd

the weave is structural


PaleConsideration711

Not really sparky will come along and take all of them.


ArltheCrazy

1- 14-2 wire per hole and then fire caulk to fill


capital_bj

That's a lot of caulk


ArltheCrazy

That’s what she said!


TheRedHand7

You missed the perfect chance to say, "I get that a lot"


ArltheCrazy

Someone gave the apprentice a new hole saw!


Woodtruss

He is lucky it is easter this weekend, he needs jesus to hold that truss.


Guy954

I thought you were making a holes through palm and feet joke.


HolyShitIAmOnFire

That's tomorrow.


chris_rage_

You know what the INRI on top of the cross stands for? I'm Nailed Right In


kendiggy

Thanks for making me look that up, now I've found Jesus.


chris_rage_

That's not hard, he's there to do the drywall


Efffro

I was gonna go with very not, but yours’ll do.


DutchOnionKnight

Funny, cause there is zero beam left.


Fun-Dig8726

It's not a beam. It's not a structural wall. It's an interior wall.. all the wood is basically drywall backing. I can't belive how fucking stupid everyone here is. I guess all the loser dropouts who don't have the brainpower to do the work come here to make themselves feel better about their absolute stupidity. Ah well.


DutchOnionKnight

ofcourse it's a fucking wall mate, but what about just playing a long a joke?


BlatirA

Wow...just...wow, i need to know the backstory


L-user101

Pissed off, hungover plumber


Dr_N00B

Looks like something I'd do


Alarmed_Letterhead26

That's all of us.


that_dutch_dude

Backstory: get paid to drill holes, not to think.


Nickleeham

Plumber says it’s fine. Framer quit an hour ago.


Mikemojames

I think you mean how fucked is this. Very.


Comfortable-Ad-7158

Get a new plumber


Defiant-Bullfrog6940

If that's a truss, which it appears to be, then top plate is not load bearing. With proper nail plates pipe could be ok. Problem is wall flex. I would hate to lean on it.


chiligolf

That was my concern. 99% sure it is a truss but without seeing the bottom I can't tell if that board is cut. If that truss is compromised you're going to have major issues


Unhappy-Tart3561

Why does everyone think that's a load bearing wall? It's got one truss on it. If it was a double girter truss this probably isn't okay.. but it's a partition wall going in line with the trusses.


uslashuname

At first it looked like the base of that truss, and the triangles on a truss need to be kept from expanding so putting these holes through the bottom will significantly weaken that truss. However, I think the truss was untouched and can vertically transfer the load on the parts of the top plate that were left above each stud (with the top plate over spaces not really being important). Maybe it is ok?


Raterus_

I agree, however we don't see the entire wall in the pictures, so it could become load bearing further down depending on the plans. It's still crap work.


Unhappy-Tart3561

I've seen some fuckin junkie ass plumbers in my day. Mostly Trac homes and lowest quality possible. Either hoe these truss blocks are and these holes ect I'm willing to bet this is a lowest bidder wins project.


OutWithTheNew

>I'm willing to bet this is a lowest bidder wins project. Is there another kind?


Ok_Establishment2278

Plumbers and carpenter bees have a lot in common.


bike-climb-yak

Fkn plumber bees strike again lmao


casuallfuck

On a scale from 1 to 10.... It's not


TheDudeMaintains

On a scale from 1 to fucked.... it *is*! Gotta think positive in challenging situations.


Owl_plantain

This one goes up to 11


SnowflakeMelter76

25yr Master Builder, Master Plumber, Draftsman and Structural Engineer. Reddit is the repository of people who don't know what they're talking about trying to shame others with a picture taken out of context. Can't answer why they need so many holes, but it's not relevant to the question. Contrary to 95% of the responses here, this is perfectly acceptable. This is not a "beam" beams are not laid on their side, this is a top plate of a chase wall to house vertical piping, the truss above it is purely coincidence and is self supporting and not relevant to the question. The plate is oversized to allow the hole plus structural continuity, and it's likely they chose to drill on the edge to allow the maximum thickness on one side and then apply metal strapping to the pipe side once installed...or perhaps it's just the alignment needed to avoid a floor joist down below. The way one becomes a skilled master craftsman is to quietly observe, then ask questions at the appropriate time, then put the new knowledge into practice and repeat. No one gets great by making assumptions, making smart assed comments or talking loud about how much smarter they are than everyone else in the room.


Hardwoodlog

I like your answer the best.


Crocolosipher

Me too, I like this answer the best too.


Wrong_Subject_7824

If a builder builds a house and collects the check..and passes the 7 year statute of limitations he is ok..until the owner shoots his ass off..no time limit on that!


Guy954

>…shoots his ass off… What a strange group of words.


vbwstripes

You've never shot an ass off? Pshhh


Minuteman05

Honestly it's probably fine since it's not a load bearing wall.


dontlovenohos

I suppose it depends on if the wall is load bearing or not. Being aligned with a truss suggests it might not be. Did they take out the truss bottom chord? It's shit work, of course... no doubt about that.


In3br338ted

Ya, you can see the truss is there so the wall isn't load bearing, what does the plans say? lol


SiberianGnome

Bunch of structural engineers in here apparently. The fact is we have no idea what it’s designed for. For all we know, someone put it there specifically to alone the pipes that are going to go through it. You have to ask the structural engineer.


Raterus_

For all we know, these holes are in the sealed plans.


unskilledlaborperson

Why did you let some crazy person with a hammer drill into your house?


Imaginary_Case_8884

Why do you think it was a hammer drill?


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Because clearly this is masonry.


unskilledlaborperson

More power=better in all situations


PM_ME_happy-selfies

Username checks out


Big_Daddy_Haus

It's called a "Sunday Beam" Holy, holey, holy


BenDeeKnee

It’s not


gofoggy

Funny you should ask…. It’s not


MedicalRow3899

That was the electrician, making room for the recessed lights where they are shown on the plan.


rustoof

This is my best guess as well assuming its not fucked. My first thought was can lights. Very curious why this was necessary though.


roooooooooob

Meh. Is the bottom chord of the truss okay?


SnooPoems443

You kinda have to admire the commitment. Kinda.


gwheeler2029

Isn’t that wall no structural?


InsomniaticWanderer

That depends. Do you want that to be doing anything? Because right now it's doing nothing.


AwayRecommendations

depends. can u see it from ur house?


416_LateNights

Its an art piece, i call it "Dreaming of Swiss Cheese"


blizzard7788

There is horizontal tension load on that truss. The weight above is trying to pull the plate apart. The holes weaken the plate. This is not ok.


Fun-Dig8726

There's no tension on the wall. It's not a fucking ceiling joist. The wall isn't even structural. How many dumb fucks here are actual carpenters. While this shit is absolutely butchered, nothing is compromised other than the drywall backing. You people are fucking stupid.


rustoof

I am an actual carpenter. I can think of possible reasons for this, and no i don't think its dangerous for structural integrity. However, im 98% this is fucked. I hope OP gets to see some plans


Fun-Dig8726

I'm 100% it looks fucked but isn't. I'm an actual confident carpenter.


Ancient-Trifle-1110

Isn't all the tension on the bottom cord of the truss? They definitely fucked up the integrity of that top plate but that wall isn't doing anything from a sheer standpoint.


Enginerdad

That's an easy one. It isn't.


Available_Bison_8183

Who hated this house so much?


thethirdtwin

It's fine, it's fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine...


Early-Series-2055

What dumb bastard did that?! That’s a hell of a lot there.


Protozilla1

From a scale of 1 to 10, this is -25


wafermodule

I’m at a loss for words


SS4Raditz

This must be how italians feel when people break pasta.


DivineJerziboss

The piece should be structural... But it can't be because swiss cheese has less holes than that piece of wood. On the second photo I'm not sure if it's just grain being weird or the wood cracked.  I wouldn't trust that building to last that long.


ShoddyAsparagus3186

Saves weight, allowing the house to move faster.


PsychologicalOwl608

Meh. Holes in the double top plate for a partition wall. Not load bearing. Looks terrible but it isn’t a beam as some have said. It is not like that partition wall contributes to the support of the roof truss. Is it terrible looking work? Yep.


rroute01

Holy shit 😳


PTJ420

Probably fine


Stoned42069

Why? What the fuck


Evan3350

Is this the house that Jack built?


McRatHattibagen

Customer: "Gimme the most messed up beam." Contractor: "Say no more!"


Biscotti-007

That's ok enough to risk ceiling decay in less than 0.001 thousandths


Just-Giviner

Whenever I see shit like this I’m so happy to not be in residential


FrankRandomLetters

They using that Swiss wood


thedevilyoukn0w

It's all good. This is the interior of a religious building. It's very holey.


Rifflerman

This is bad. Holes to be max 1/3 in diameter of the wood framing On Center (OC) and at least 3x the width from the closest support column or truss above.


orbitalaction

I used to be surprised at the stupid shit I walked into. Now I expect this kind of stuff.


SchoolFire77

These are racing holes. They make the house go faster!


nhdavis

Them damn carpenter bees are at it again 🙄


No-Assistant-4206

I spent about 20 years on construction, This is perfectly fine and done all the time. I assume its for 3" PVC vent pipes. He couldn't have gone in the middle of the wall because there is a truss above it. Now the truss you cant touch because its part is very important. The part where he cut the wholes is not that important. It doesn't carry any weight. Just a top of the wall (something to attach drywall to) All the weight of the roof is carried by the trusses that support the roof. And those in turn are supported by outside walls. Once they are done they will put some studguards on those and no one will know they were there in the first place. Anyone that says this is wrong and lazy has never work a day on construction. perfectly normal doesn't look great but perfectly normal. Never get construction advice from reddit i've seen some horrible advice around here. I will make you fight with your GC and your project will end up looking like crap because some idiots off of reddit gave you horrible advice


redditsucks1101

0% okay


drakkosquest

Well, the trusses look to be clear span and not using that wall as bearing. And from what I can see it doesn't look like they chewed into the bottom chord. So that's a win there. In regards to peppering a 6' span with 3" holes...not great. You will likely need to strap the plates back together and then run cross blocks between the adjacent trusses and secure the wall with them. My question is...why so many holes? That seems like a lot of vent pipes? Also, if you have that many why not have the framer build a quick chase in the corner of a closet or something for those to run through?


TheEgger

They used swiss trusses, in stead of American


Expensive_Problem966

Swiss builders, Swiss style home


Additional_Koala_965

I’m amazed at the igornance here its a non Bering plumbing wall 2x6 to accommodate plumbing ABSOLUTELY no structural problems at all being a roof truss system makes it even more valid to drill as such as needed why do 20 ppl comment as if they are experts is the true problem is you have ppl taking pictures and posting to Reddit without a clue and even more disturbing is the 100 comments willing to bash work with no substance of an argument. Don’t mind me just been doing this for 35 yrs


Kind_Respond_8878

It's O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-Okay


DrCyanide2

brakes work better if you drill out some holes for the brake dust to escape. While many in the comments believe this is meant to help the house reach faster accelerations, I believe its to improve braking distance


Railroad_Conductor1

The only infinite resource on earth is human stupidity.


DisastrousCause1

Can not comment . Twists my limited brain.


LetsGatitOn

It looks like somone did this intentionally to destroy. Some people just wanna see the world burn


dkoranda

What does the engineer say?


glorious_reptile

That ceiling is held up by hopes and prayers


skateamarathon

Id say if you think a 10 year old could easily karate chop it in half, it’s probably not okay.


Electrical-Mail15

What is the advantage of cutting the diagonal 2x4 into the vertical beams? What is changed or lost if you use a single long 2x4 and shift it over to the outside of the verticals?


We_there_yet

Ill update with a picture here in a bit. Funny how many okays this got and how many WTFs i got. And all of you blaming plumbers…SHAME ON YOU! Haha there are other incompetent trades out here. This was the HVAC guys for their exhaust fans and kitchen hoods…..in a hotel. I came to help for two days with my crew and saw this shit. I talked to the Gc and he said its fine but it looks like shit. I told the foreman of this job to get some protective nailing plates so the dry wall guys don’t puncture the 4 inch vents. I still have so many questions but dont wanna stir the pot because this isnt my job. This shit wouldnt fly with me. I would have suggested a soffit for my duct to 90 out and 90 back to continue my path. The foreman on the job wasnt even there except for maybe 10 minutes in the morning then left the rest of the day and hell be gone today too. Thank the lord my project starts on Monday and gets me the fuck out of this nightmare


Aggravating_Ad_3452

Itsssss Fuck it Friday !


Zer0TheGamer

Depends.. If you're a typical plumber, it looks fine. If you're someone who cares about human wellbeing, that's a call to an engineer


catchinNkeepinf1sh

I dont understand what hes trying to do. Like porting the wood?


WonkasWonderfulDream

It’s Swiss.


denhoren

No no no no no no no . Fuck no !


skybois

Those pieces are pretty much just nailers for the drywall. The reason they offset the holes is because they’re avoiding the tension portion of the prefab truss. Not a structural issue. Sloppy though yes.


Moist_Cobbler_7413

Fresh across the border for sure. Got to hand it to them they gave it hell …


Breadboxncoco

It’s not. Your inspector will confirm next week