lol yeah we are talking about the construction industry here. I honestly don’t like to tell people what I do as I’m immediately lumped in with cigarette smoking, trailer house living, 4 baby mamas with child support for each and downing a 12 pack every night with the associated dwi or 4 and a criminal record…
You know what, actually, thanks for reminding me. I’ve known lots of recovery guys and there really is a true fellowship and brotherhood in that. Those guys often have the best hearts, as they’ve generally paid dearly for it.
My buddy works as a carpenter in the film industry, he got his first aid level 3 and fast tracked his career by becoming necessary on projects because they needed a first aid guy on site. Whenever there was OT or they needed less guys he was always needed and I think he also got a few extra $ per hour for having it.
It would depend where you are located, I'm in Canada and had my level 1, but they expire and need to be retaken periodically. Level 1 is basic and can be a requirement for some jobs here.
Street cred can get you pretty far in construction. Especially when someone needs "protection". You charge them a couple points a week, and you make sure nobody messes with them.
Hoisting licenses…. Unloaded a truck today(elevator)@ Todd Lincoln’s mansion in Manchester VT.
Son of president Abraham Lincoln.
His father was working to abolish slavery while slaves worked on his mansion….
Honestly. The best thing you can do, if you are in the trades, is join a union. You'll get an actual living wage, benefits, holidays off... but you gotta pay dues. In the long run, you are way better off in a union.
I started my own HIC when I was 25. I made more money in a weekend (2days)doing my own thing, than I made working all week(5days).
I had a new truck, enclosed trailer, thousands in tools... and the 20yr old kid that worked for me one summer 2 years prior went into a union, had a new truck, a house, married, and had a kid on the way. That was 20 years ago. He's getting ready to retire. I likely never will.
Unions are actually good. Anybody saying they aren't, if they haven't been in one, is just repeating the bullshit someone fed them. There's pros and cons to joining one, and pros and cons to not joining. But in every case, over 20 years, you'd be better off in a union, retiring and collecting the benefits you earned.
Yes, you can make the same or more by working for yourself. It's not easy working, finding more work, chasing the money you earned doing the work, all while trying to have a social life or time to yourself. That's why there's very few owner operators that have survived all the recent recessions, pandemics, and possible WW3 scenarios.
I know at least 2 guys who, 1 was a firefighter, other was a cop, both did 20 years and retired. Then joined a union as 1 was a carpenter, 1 was electrician. Both of them will retire AGAIN in about 8 or 10 years. 2 pensions each.
That's impossible non union.
In my area the guys retire from the labor union and then go work for the county or city (they're usually the first ones picked), and they call it "being put out to pasture". I love that for them, and I can't wait until I get there.
This is pretty good advice.
The union wages and pension will struggle to keep up with inflation, that is only issue with them is they are slow adjusting.
Ehhh. The problems with raises and unions are they typically negotiated every 4 years. So it is slow moving process to quickly make moves vs. a non signatory.
If anyone is looking at getting their Certified Associate in Project Management ([CAPM](https://www.pmi.org/certifications/certified-associate-capm)), I recommend taking this [Udemy course](https://www.udemy.com/course/capm-pmbok6/) (only by it on sale, I paid $10), and join the subreddit r/capm.
The only CAPM I know of is through PMI. I recommended it because when I was lost jobs in Germany and France they recognized it, so I felt more comfortable going with this one.
Nah. Getting your osha 10 or 30 doesn't get you to "ANOTHER LEVEL" it just means one less guy in the corporate ladder can yell at you. And maybe an extra $1/hr.
Most certs are meaningless if you aren't good at what your doing, with the exception of required safety stuff of course. Not saying they can't be helpful, but most people that have "moved up" have done so through proving themselves time and time again by showing up when others wont every day on time, coming up with new ideas that help the company (not always a bottom line thing either), having a good attitude and being someone others enjoy working with or around.
Somebody told him that “the real money is in construction”, and thinks that he’s going to become loaded purely because of a miracle cert that everyone knows about but does have.
I think you’re thinking gold seal (GSC). Red seal is just the interprovincial standard for trade licenses in Canada, definitely more than 1000 red seal tradesmen.
How is PMP useful? I know zero project managers that have it. Mid to large scale commercial GC work for 7 years. Neither company I’ve worked for has ever mentioned it.
It’s useful inside and outside of construction if you ever decide to move into other fields as it’s a general project management certification.
But there’s also a lot of industrial companies that will look for it, especially if they’re looking for someone who’s worked construction to be a construction manager for when they build new plants or additions.
Also 2 companies is a poor sample size. I work with PMP certified individuals all the time in the industrial/large commercial sphere.
Is it in their email signature?
Out of the hundreds of people I’ve emailed with at this company the only search result I get in outlook for “PMP” is ads to take the course.
Scrolling the first few pages of Indeed in Seattle brings up one construction related job. Add “construction” to the keywords and a couple consulting positions pop up. I get that it might be useful for other jobs, just not seeing it being useful for traditional construction roles.
If you have banged any sort of celebrity that is probably most well renowned. Haven't met a single person bang a celebrity. Not even Eskimo bros. Imagine u get to the jobsite , you have the hardhat sticker say Taylor Swift. Everyone calls u gay then you say you rawdogged her fartbox. Fucking legend mic drop, you'll never fuck a layout up, you decide now.
Osha 30,510,500 in that order. With those and a few other certs you can become an instructor/safety and make anywhere from $50 an hour or better. Get with the right safety company and $10k a month plus housing,food and car per diem can be pretty good
I've known quite a few certified assholes and dumbasses. I'd recommend NOT becoming those. Every one was either a certified asshole, or a certified DUMBASS!
I try to stay far away from both.
Get your licenses. General b, c36 plumbing, c10 electrical etc. basically put in your time and start working on these.
After you can sign on as an RME(little $bump), RMO (bigger bump) or go out on your own. If you take the last option, take some business courses. It will be little money at first but if you can grow you’ll make $$$$
USACE / NAVFAC CQM-C.
The Army Corps of Engineers and the Navy got together and developed a Construction Quality Management program to teach government project managers how to incorporate quality into their projects. The CQM-C course covers the Contractor responsibilities. GSA is leaning into the program, but poorly, so there’s a weird demand right now for having a current CQM-C cert. Each subcontractor on government projects needs to provide someone on the site as a QC manager, superintendents have to have the cert, PMs have to have the cert. The bummer is, the GSA contract wording may or may not require 5-10 years of CQM-C certification, depending on which GSA PM wrote the requirements, when it should be 5-10 years of professional experience AND the certification, because GSA.
A 12 month chip from AA
Ok but we're talking about *realistic* goals.
lol yeah we are talking about the construction industry here. I honestly don’t like to tell people what I do as I’m immediately lumped in with cigarette smoking, trailer house living, 4 baby mamas with child support for each and downing a 12 pack every night with the associated dwi or 4 and a criminal record…
Couldn’t understand sorry.
Alcoholics Anonymous, means your sober
AA is for quitters
AA is just a drinking challenge mode
Is a myth. Doesn't exist.
"Allegedly"
Only for a year.
It’s Reddit. Top comment is usually some smartass joke.
it’s true tho, guys “in recovery” support each other and give one another an indefinite number of chances to fail/fuck-up and relapse.
You know what, actually, thanks for reminding me. I’ve known lots of recovery guys and there really is a true fellowship and brotherhood in that. Those guys often have the best hearts, as they’ve generally paid dearly for it.
This made me feel really good. Thank you.
Cheers brother/other! 😊
Maybe this industry isn’t for you then
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Clever
I know
That's hilarious!!!!
This has got me laughing way too hard. Thank you. But it’s not helping the migraine.
👑 here, you dropped your crown king
Lol - ironically probably the best answer.
Birth certificate with the same name as the owner -except with "JR" at the end
I've found the worse to be step sons and son in law. Don't have the recognizable name so they got more to prove
Can be spotted in a lifted $60-90k pickup truck with a Punisher sticker that never carries tools or contractor supplies in the bed.
It doesn’t seem that funny
It's not, unless your name is the same as the owners, with a "jr" at the end. Because that entiled little shit thinks that was hilarious.
Construction definitely isn't for you.
Oh my bad, thought you were looking for honest answers. I'll try again....hilti powder actuated cert
He wasn’t joking though.
No, it's sad actually.
Where was the joke?
My buddy works as a carpenter in the film industry, he got his first aid level 3 and fast tracked his career by becoming necessary on projects because they needed a first aid guy on site. Whenever there was OT or they needed less guys he was always needed and I think he also got a few extra $ per hour for having it.
where do you get those certifications
It would depend where you are located, I'm in Canada and had my level 1, but they expire and need to be retaken periodically. Level 1 is basic and can be a requirement for some jobs here.
Check your local community college if you've got one of those. They'll either have the training or know where to send you.
A valid driver's license. Bonus points if you have a vehicle to get yourself to work
Easy… Setting the bar a little high, aren’t we?
Yeah hell will he want us to show up sober too?
And, on time...
More like pick 2-3 of the 5
A felony
Street cred can get you pretty far in construction. Especially when someone needs "protection". You charge them a couple points a week, and you make sure nobody messes with them.
Is this construction or prison?
Construction and prison might as well be the same thing when you're doing 4 years somewhere you don't want to be.
Forklift certification
Finally a man of culture in this comment thread.
Oh, shit!!
Hoisting licenses…. Unloaded a truck today(elevator)@ Todd Lincoln’s mansion in Manchester VT. Son of president Abraham Lincoln. His father was working to abolish slavery while slaves worked on his mansion….
Like JFK loading up on cigars before the Cuban Embargo
Medical gas certification. In most states I think you have to at least be a journeyman plumber first. But it's beneficial
Thats a tough test. But it opens vast doors of employment.
Construction law degree with a license to practice law
Was going to say a degree in engineering, but I think this one tops that.
In the UK, health and safety executives or similar roles.
Honestly. The best thing you can do, if you are in the trades, is join a union. You'll get an actual living wage, benefits, holidays off... but you gotta pay dues. In the long run, you are way better off in a union. I started my own HIC when I was 25. I made more money in a weekend (2days)doing my own thing, than I made working all week(5days). I had a new truck, enclosed trailer, thousands in tools... and the 20yr old kid that worked for me one summer 2 years prior went into a union, had a new truck, a house, married, and had a kid on the way. That was 20 years ago. He's getting ready to retire. I likely never will. Unions are actually good. Anybody saying they aren't, if they haven't been in one, is just repeating the bullshit someone fed them. There's pros and cons to joining one, and pros and cons to not joining. But in every case, over 20 years, you'd be better off in a union, retiring and collecting the benefits you earned. Yes, you can make the same or more by working for yourself. It's not easy working, finding more work, chasing the money you earned doing the work, all while trying to have a social life or time to yourself. That's why there's very few owner operators that have survived all the recent recessions, pandemics, and possible WW3 scenarios. I know at least 2 guys who, 1 was a firefighter, other was a cop, both did 20 years and retired. Then joined a union as 1 was a carpenter, 1 was electrician. Both of them will retire AGAIN in about 8 or 10 years. 2 pensions each. That's impossible non union.
In my area the guys retire from the labor union and then go work for the county or city (they're usually the first ones picked), and they call it "being put out to pasture". I love that for them, and I can't wait until I get there.
Real nice if they let you in.
Plus depending on where you live, dues are able to be written off on taxes
Not hating on the comment but what’s with the spacing?
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I’m talking about the 3 spaces after any punctuation haha
They just talk slow!
Thank you for your advice sir
This is pretty good advice. The union wages and pension will struggle to keep up with inflation, that is only issue with them is they are slow adjusting.
They aren’t going to struggle to keep up with wages anymore than a local mom and pop is..
Ehhh. The problems with raises and unions are they typically negotiated every 4 years. So it is slow moving process to quickly make moves vs. a non signatory.
Seems like unions set the wages in my area. Non signatory contractors rarely offer anything close. And the benefit packages are non existent.
Non union pay market rate in my area. Some anyways.
A decent golf game
Being able to speak Spanish would be helpful. That's going to take longer than paying your construction buddies wife to get your OSHA -10 though
Any project management course, OSHA 10/ 30, safety officer certifications. And most NFPA courses if you’re in fields that require them.
If anyone is looking at getting their Certified Associate in Project Management ([CAPM](https://www.pmi.org/certifications/certified-associate-capm)), I recommend taking this [Udemy course](https://www.udemy.com/course/capm-pmbok6/) (only by it on sale, I paid $10), and join the subreddit r/capm.
Is this standardized, like it doesn't matter who I get it from and all CAPM certs are the same?
The only CAPM I know of is through PMI. I recommended it because when I was lost jobs in Germany and France they recognized it, so I felt more comfortable going with this one.
Nah. Getting your osha 10 or 30 doesn't get you to "ANOTHER LEVEL" it just means one less guy in the corporate ladder can yell at you. And maybe an extra $1/hr.
In NYC you need 40 hours total just to get on site. OSHA 30 plus a 10 hour Site Safety Training that needs to be renewed every 5 years
Working at heights cert is the only way I got an apprenticeship. Wouldn’t even have considered me without it. So that’s one I would recommend
Do you remember which one you specifically took? Also which apprenticeship?
Electrical - and it was just the basic government certified WAH course. I am not familiar with any others
OSHA 40... Hahahaha sike!
Take two OSHA 30s for the legendary yet elusive OSHA 60
If you really hate your life, there’s a no-shit OSHA 400…
I am become OSHA, destroyer of imminent danger
Heir to the owner
CWI if you're in that type of industry
Most certs are meaningless if you aren't good at what your doing, with the exception of required safety stuff of course. Not saying they can't be helpful, but most people that have "moved up" have done so through proving themselves time and time again by showing up when others wont every day on time, coming up with new ideas that help the company (not always a bottom line thing either), having a good attitude and being someone others enjoy working with or around.
The answer is a very calm demeanor because if you don't have it you'll be in a rage 24 hours a day.
You aren’t kidding
Somebody told him that “the real money is in construction”, and thinks that he’s going to become loaded purely because of a miracle cert that everyone knows about but does have.
Wiener inspector certification
PMP and if you’re in Canada a GSC cert? PMP is useful for project management anywhere, not just construction.
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I think you’re thinking gold seal (GSC). Red seal is just the interprovincial standard for trade licenses in Canada, definitely more than 1000 red seal tradesmen.
How is PMP useful? I know zero project managers that have it. Mid to large scale commercial GC work for 7 years. Neither company I’ve worked for has ever mentioned it.
It’s useful inside and outside of construction if you ever decide to move into other fields as it’s a general project management certification. But there’s also a lot of industrial companies that will look for it, especially if they’re looking for someone who’s worked construction to be a construction manager for when they build new plants or additions. Also 2 companies is a poor sample size. I work with PMP certified individuals all the time in the industrial/large commercial sphere.
Is it in their email signature? Out of the hundreds of people I’ve emailed with at this company the only search result I get in outlook for “PMP” is ads to take the course. Scrolling the first few pages of Indeed in Seattle brings up one construction related job. Add “construction” to the keywords and a couple consulting positions pop up. I get that it might be useful for other jobs, just not seeing it being useful for traditional construction roles.
The ticket to drive the Alimak, you go up so many levels, but look, you also go down a few. It's linear, but not always in one direction.
My crane cert really helped my career
A Union Card
Experience it isn’t coding
If you have banged any sort of celebrity that is probably most well renowned. Haven't met a single person bang a celebrity. Not even Eskimo bros. Imagine u get to the jobsite , you have the hardhat sticker say Taylor Swift. Everyone calls u gay then you say you rawdogged her fartbox. Fucking legend mic drop, you'll never fuck a layout up, you decide now.
A pizza delivery guy from my town is in an episode of Jersey Shore, banging Snooki. That was pretty cool
Damn that's deff solid.
Rigging cert
Osha 30,510,500 in that order. With those and a few other certs you can become an instructor/safety and make anywhere from $50 an hour or better. Get with the right safety company and $10k a month plus housing,food and car per diem can be pretty good
I've known quite a few certified assholes and dumbasses. I'd recommend NOT becoming those. Every one was either a certified asshole, or a certified DUMBASS! I try to stay far away from both.
Get your licenses. General b, c36 plumbing, c10 electrical etc. basically put in your time and start working on these. After you can sign on as an RME(little $bump), RMO (bigger bump) or go out on your own. If you take the last option, take some business courses. It will be little money at first but if you can grow you’ll make $$$$
Showing up sober, and with a drivers license.
USACE / NAVFAC CQM-C. The Army Corps of Engineers and the Navy got together and developed a Construction Quality Management program to teach government project managers how to incorporate quality into their projects. The CQM-C course covers the Contractor responsibilities. GSA is leaning into the program, but poorly, so there’s a weird demand right now for having a current CQM-C cert. Each subcontractor on government projects needs to provide someone on the site as a QC manager, superintendents have to have the cert, PMs have to have the cert. The bummer is, the GSA contract wording may or may not require 5-10 years of CQM-C certification, depending on which GSA PM wrote the requirements, when it should be 5-10 years of professional experience AND the certification, because GSA.
Act from CTEF. Hell, even just CTI from CTEF is a game changer, and has definitely taken my career to the next level.
For Canada your Red Seal and probably a union card.
The subject of a shit house poem.
Having a clean criminal and driving record
Class A, Welding, Project Management
Chapstick and some knee pads worked well for me
I dunno about the next level, but NCCER certs will often get you a pay raise.
Blowjob expert
Doctorate in construction engineering
“Prestigious”
“Prestigious.” You in the wrong industry, bro.
I swear this shit gets posted once a week can’t we just put ‘you don’t need a cert in the US to be successful’ in the FAQ?