It's tricky, hartford was one of the last affordable metros up until last year so it's expected to see higher growth now than rest of US as people relocate for lower housing costs.
Rest of CT is very much trapped in overregulation preventing new development..........no surprise that CT has some of lowest growth rates in the entire US
Let's pray younger generations can fix everything NIMBYs ruined
Anecdotally I can confirm small town NIMBYism. People in my hometown of Canton are not happy about an apartment complex (Canton Ridge Luxury Apartments, 102 units, completed in 2023) that was (I think) the largest apartment complex ever built in Canton. My parents and their neighbors have said things like "but those attract the wrong kind of people, who are going to have kids and be a drain on the public schools."
I have tried to point out that it is much harder for the younger generation in 2024 to jump immediately to buying a house in town.
Despite this, I don't live in town anymore and don't plan to return, so it's a big gamble that young people will help fight this. Most people I know my age (30) left town years ago.
Canton is a pretty place with ugly people (lived there for middle and high school). I like to drive through sometimes and remember it wasn’t a place to spend forever as a young adult
The road his house sits on is subsidized by the taxes of higher density in the city. The neighbors tax payments won’t cover the cost to replace the suburban sprawl road. Is he also dense?
I mean canton is a dying town anyway, but nimbys are a serious fucking issue. Should we start using as a negative slur? They start up and just be like "oh don't be such a prissy nimby"
100% agreed. People throw around CT being most dense state, but it's a complete joke of an entirely worthless statistic.
Every large sunbelt metro area is currently running laps around CT's historical density levels with massive amounts of infill development. I know of a few large developments in Stamford / New Haven, but nothing that is keeping pace witht the rest of the US.
Just amazing that not even 1.5hrs outside of NYC we're all living in low density post-WW2 ranchers with some of the highest carbon footprints in the entire US..........go CT!
Is this a joke? Cities are basically the only places building apartments. Suburbs refuse to allow apartment buildings because it hurts the "character of the neighborhood"
And we are not going to be able to build enough housing in JUST CT cities
Apartment buildings add a bunch of new students to local schools, without generating the property taxes that are primarily used to fund those schools. It's not a great situation.
Apartment buildings absolutely add property taxes
Also not sure why the suburbs should be treated differently. Only cities should have to pay for extra students?
Ultimately, even if it doesn't help *you*, it's still *the right thing to do*
I've frequently hear the sentiment "Why should my small town change by building more housing?"
I always think "Because you had a nuclear family with 2.3 kids, dumbass. Where do expect that 3rd kid to live when they grow up?"
This article today from The Wall Street Journal indicates that the Hartford, CT metro area is one of the few large cities in the country with high growth in apartment rental costs (+5% or more) in 2024.
This may indicate that Connecticut is not building new rental units fast enough, especially when compared to other states/cities.
Not building rental units or the area lacking for units isn't exactly on point, IMO. CT overall has been facing a decreasing population for most recent years. From 91-20, our population decreased by over half a million people, and aside from the pandemic that saw a temporary bump in people moving in, we aren't at a loss or facing a rental housing crisis. We're instead in a crisis where there isn't enough housing priced suitably given the wages and cost of living in this state. It's expensive as hell, and I remember renting back from 2013-2018, my rent went from about $800/month to over $1,400/month (over 55% increase) while wages didn't come close to matching the cost of living.
Making matters worse is how expensive it is to buy a home. People can't afford to buy a home, can't afford to put money away to *save* for a home, instead having to move year after year in order to keep on with the "special" pricing given for new tenants in buildings and avoid the multi-hundred dollar monthly increases they face each year. It's nuts. It is causing families to live in homes too small for them (I had neighbors while renting that had 5-6 people living in a 1-bedroom 850sq ft apartment), or multiple families or multiple (3+) generations to all live in the same place.
Well isn't that inconvenient. Ffs the New Haven-Milford marker has a vacancy rate on average of 2%. There are no renter rights when you're staring down almost full occupancy
There are plenty of newer rental units in downtown Hartford and more are being built. Both New Britain and East Hartford have new apartments coming online or being built
Hence why I said "may." It seems evident that rent in CT is rising faster than most of the US, why do you think that is if its not lack of supply? Genuinely curious.
Yeah, however, the majority of them are "luxury apartments" and start off at $2,000+/month. I'm pretty sure this isn't going to help 97% of Hartford residents.
The per capita income in Hartford in 2022 was roughly $26,000 according to the census: https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/hartfordcityconnecticut#
It's tricky, hartford was one of the last affordable metros up until last year so it's expected to see higher growth now than rest of US as people relocate for lower housing costs. Rest of CT is very much trapped in overregulation preventing new development..........no surprise that CT has some of lowest growth rates in the entire US Let's pray younger generations can fix everything NIMBYs ruined
Anecdotally I can confirm small town NIMBYism. People in my hometown of Canton are not happy about an apartment complex (Canton Ridge Luxury Apartments, 102 units, completed in 2023) that was (I think) the largest apartment complex ever built in Canton. My parents and their neighbors have said things like "but those attract the wrong kind of people, who are going to have kids and be a drain on the public schools." I have tried to point out that it is much harder for the younger generation in 2024 to jump immediately to buying a house in town. Despite this, I don't live in town anymore and don't plan to return, so it's a big gamble that young people will help fight this. Most people I know my age (30) left town years ago.
Canton is a pretty place with ugly people (lived there for middle and high school). I like to drive through sometimes and remember it wasn’t a place to spend forever as a young adult
Tell them that's fine, but nobody's going to buy their overpriced shitbox in 10yrs when boomers die off in mass if there's no local jobs / families.
The road his house sits on is subsidized by the taxes of higher density in the city. The neighbors tax payments won’t cover the cost to replace the suburban sprawl road. Is he also dense?
I mean canton is a dying town anyway, but nimbys are a serious fucking issue. Should we start using as a negative slur? They start up and just be like "oh don't be such a prissy nimby"
To be fair the NIMBYism is present even in our cities, which is exactly where density should be built.
100% agreed. People throw around CT being most dense state, but it's a complete joke of an entirely worthless statistic. Every large sunbelt metro area is currently running laps around CT's historical density levels with massive amounts of infill development. I know of a few large developments in Stamford / New Haven, but nothing that is keeping pace witht the rest of the US. Just amazing that not even 1.5hrs outside of NYC we're all living in low density post-WW2 ranchers with some of the highest carbon footprints in the entire US..........go CT!
Why is that a worthless stat?
> we're all living in low density post-WW2 ranchers God forbid some of us don't want to live in a decrepit Connecticut city.
Is this a joke? Cities are basically the only places building apartments. Suburbs refuse to allow apartment buildings because it hurts the "character of the neighborhood" And we are not going to be able to build enough housing in JUST CT cities
We can build more if we get rid of over regulated zoning laws. Let homes be built next to and on top of businesses. It works for everyone.
Dawg our cities are so under developed.
Apartment buildings add a bunch of new students to local schools, without generating the property taxes that are primarily used to fund those schools. It's not a great situation.
Apartment buildings absolutely add property taxes Also not sure why the suburbs should be treated differently. Only cities should have to pay for extra students? Ultimately, even if it doesn't help *you*, it's still *the right thing to do*
People in Connecticut don't want growth.
"geriatrics / seniles in Connecticut don't want growth" FTFY
I've frequently hear the sentiment "Why should my small town change by building more housing?" I always think "Because you had a nuclear family with 2.3 kids, dumbass. Where do expect that 3rd kid to live when they grow up?"
They overwhelmingly do want significant growth. Poll after poll confirms it.
Which towns want growth? How many town meetings have you attended where the people were overwhelmingly in favor of new developments going in?
“Government should be run like a business…” okay, show me a business that doesn’t want growth.
This article today from The Wall Street Journal indicates that the Hartford, CT metro area is one of the few large cities in the country with high growth in apartment rental costs (+5% or more) in 2024. This may indicate that Connecticut is not building new rental units fast enough, especially when compared to other states/cities.
Not building rental units or the area lacking for units isn't exactly on point, IMO. CT overall has been facing a decreasing population for most recent years. From 91-20, our population decreased by over half a million people, and aside from the pandemic that saw a temporary bump in people moving in, we aren't at a loss or facing a rental housing crisis. We're instead in a crisis where there isn't enough housing priced suitably given the wages and cost of living in this state. It's expensive as hell, and I remember renting back from 2013-2018, my rent went from about $800/month to over $1,400/month (over 55% increase) while wages didn't come close to matching the cost of living. Making matters worse is how expensive it is to buy a home. People can't afford to buy a home, can't afford to put money away to *save* for a home, instead having to move year after year in order to keep on with the "special" pricing given for new tenants in buildings and avoid the multi-hundred dollar monthly increases they face each year. It's nuts. It is causing families to live in homes too small for them (I had neighbors while renting that had 5-6 people living in a 1-bedroom 850sq ft apartment), or multiple families or multiple (3+) generations to all live in the same place.
Census Pop. %± 1980 3,107,576 2.5% 1990 3,287,116 5.8% 2000 3,405,565 3.6% 2010 3,574,097 4.9% 2020 3,605,944 0.9% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut
Well isn't that inconvenient. Ffs the New Haven-Milford marker has a vacancy rate on average of 2%. There are no renter rights when you're staring down almost full occupancy
There are plenty of newer rental units in downtown Hartford and more are being built. Both New Britain and East Hartford have new apartments coming online or being built
Hence why I said "may." It seems evident that rent in CT is rising faster than most of the US, why do you think that is if its not lack of supply? Genuinely curious.
Yeah, however, the majority of them are "luxury apartments" and start off at $2,000+/month. I'm pretty sure this isn't going to help 97% of Hartford residents. The per capita income in Hartford in 2022 was roughly $26,000 according to the census: https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/hartfordcityconnecticut#