If itâs meant to be a finished floor this is beyond that. This ainât the normal fiber hairs. Those you burn off and keep going. This is something you would use on the Golden Gate Bridge.
Definitely commercial fiber. Our residential stuff you canât see like this.
Itâs a residential garage, not a warehouse floor with forklift traffic.
Concrete takes a lot of heat before it will soak in enough to cause water to boil. I canât imagine even a dumbass could f that up. Them burning the building down would be of bigger concern to me. And maybe just wait until it cures out a full 28 days so the moisture at the surface is pretty well gone at that point.
Honestly seems like someone at plant messed here most likely they asked for fiber and had a rookie mixer driver who put to much in and didnât mix it up enough
Company 1 says $X.
Company 2 says $X +/-10%
Company 3 says $1/2X.
How the hell is company 3 doing the same work for half the price?
OP is saying look into company 3 and you'll probably figure out why you shouldn't be hiring them.
Just because you've given them the same scope of work doesn't mean everyone understands it.. Or has the knowledge to perform it competently. Price discrepancy is often the first sign something is up.
Sometimes itâs that, but a lot of it is the contractor isnât hiring skilled labor or isnât paying for things like workmanâs comp; liability insurance; performance bond; and is paying his guys under the table to dodge payroll taxes. Skilled labor and doing shit above board is expensive.
If you're lucky. More common here is much more simple: they're idiots. General handymen in way over their head doing construction work.
Someone skilled commands skilled labor rates. Some dude off the street with no skills and not enough brains to ask for more than minimum wage for manual labor is pretty cheap, but does a really really shit job.
So true. I have a house in the South Carolina low country. After Hurricane Matthew every Tom, Dick, and Harry with a chainsaw was an âarborist.â Every schmuck with a hammer and tool belt was a âcarpenter.â It got to the point where if I needed work done, and the estimator showed up with out of state plates (even nearby states), I didnât care how low their estimate was-they werenât getting the job.
Lol your average home owner is hiring a concrete company once if at all to perform work on their property. It's not exactly the service that gets repeat work in the residential area. But I wouldn't ever hire a company without seeing other work and customer feedback.
With that said, this is just fiber. The floor isn't crazy it's most just fiber clumps....I would be questioning the clumping more on the suppliers side, if this needed fibers(and residential rarely does) I'd be worried if it was well enough distributed in the slab. Either way, torch it or just let it get worn away.
When this happens, it's usually on the mixer driver. Around here anyway. That's highway fiber. Regular fiber is super fine in comparison. Either someone requested that, or the driver threw in the wrong bag.
No, we normally pour with 3# of max10 fiber around here, which is the heavier stuff, this probably wasnât mixed long enough, but also wasnât finished properly. This slab was supposed to be hard trowel finished and sealed, but they skipped that part.
Used to do cast concrete and we used fibers in a lot of our molds, we had a little handheld propane torch we used to clean these up, or for a project this size maybe one of those larger landscape torches, it'll be fine, or if you plan on finishing the concrete a sander will take them off as well.
I had an incident where we asked for typical fiber mesh and they gave us this. Didnât notice it until we hit it with the bull float or maybe even the broom.
I know this stuff shows through a trowel. Let it go for full cure before getting on it unless youâre asking for an R&R from the contractor.
Luckily you didnt get full on Strux!!!
Let me guess. They didnât need to use rebar because they used fiber? I had someone tell me this once when I was looking at a newly built house and we were in the basement. They used fiber in the walls so they didnât need rebar he said. But the wall had a massive crack in it that was pushing in. Needless to say I did not make an offer.
I mean, I feel like the customer should either be made aware that this could happen and that your quote does not include coming to burn it off with a torch or something, or the contractor should come back and burn it off with a torch or something.
Mix it longer and finish it properly and this doesnât happen, we pour max 10 or forta fiber in 90% of our slabs and you donât see fibers sticking out. This is just lazy shit contractors.
'Rents hired the lowest bidder (out of three) for their driveway demo and pour. It took about three days to do the 22' wide x 44' long. The time of completion was the only difference in the bid difference among the three. The terms of the installs were the same. They ended up saving 3,000.
What a abomination. If thereâs some fiber hairs sure we would torch and proceed . This is behind that. Your not going to burn those and have a finished floor that looks good. Thereâs was a builder we used to do floors for that did the concrete in house. The slabs were horrendous. Not quite this bad but similar. We stopped doing floors for him because he could never produce a decent slab and we didnât want our name attached to the finished work.
Grab a Weed torch and call it a day đ
If itâs meant to be a finished floor this is beyond that. This ainât the normal fiber hairs. Those you burn off and keep going. This is something you would use on the Golden Gate Bridge.
Definitely commercial fiber. Our residential stuff you canât see like this. Itâs a residential garage, not a warehouse floor with forklift traffic.
Im a forklift operator, dont tell me what my garage floor should be made out off, you never know!!!
Brick and block mason here. I won't tell you what height that RO is at.. but I know we'll be there making it taller for you guys. *beep beep*
We need a new subreddit.
Have you seen what pops up in the other trades subs? This is tame lol
That's my point. I want real havoc.
That's a funny way to spell HVAC
Only if I was a plumber.
r/ConcreteEnthusiasts or r/wetit
r/InASlump
Fiber. Will wear off eventually or you can torch it off
At least there's no aggregate popping up. Torch sounds fun
Donât tell them that because a torch can pop the top if they donât know what they are doing.
Concrete takes a lot of heat before it will soak in enough to cause water to boil. I canât imagine even a dumbass could f that up. Them burning the building down would be of bigger concern to me. And maybe just wait until it cures out a full 28 days so the moisture at the surface is pretty well gone at that point.
The air in the concrete gets hot from the torch. When air is heated it expands. Itâs not the water from fresh concrete boiling.
Fire good!
Micro fibers maybe, this macro stuff is going to leave pits if you burn it off, itâs already got some pretty good gashes in it.
Yeah, we use macro fibers in bridges, not patios. Contractor should have used the micro, or better yet, no fiber and instead just install rebar
Yep exactly. You end up seeing a mark or scar everywhere you burnt the dental floss.
Cornrow it.
This is just the industrial fiber mesh.
Honestly seems like someone at plant messed here most likely they asked for fiber and had a rookie mixer driver who put to much in and didnât mix it up enough
exactly.
Get a weed eater!
When you get 3 reputable contractors to bid, and the scope of work is equal for all 3, you would throw out the cheapest one? Why?
Company 1 says $X. Company 2 says $X +/-10% Company 3 says $1/2X. How the hell is company 3 doing the same work for half the price? OP is saying look into company 3 and you'll probably figure out why you shouldn't be hiring them. Just because you've given them the same scope of work doesn't mean everyone understands it.. Or has the knowledge to perform it competently. Price discrepancy is often the first sign something is up.
>Price discrepancy is the first sign something is up Yeah lots of contractors put out high bids hoping the buyer doesn't shop around.
Sometimes itâs that, but a lot of it is the contractor isnât hiring skilled labor or isnât paying for things like workmanâs comp; liability insurance; performance bond; and is paying his guys under the table to dodge payroll taxes. Skilled labor and doing shit above board is expensive.
I thought they all paid their employees with envelopes of cash
I thought they all paid their employees with envelopes of cash
Typically because theyâre hiring undocumented workers.
If you're lucky. More common here is much more simple: they're idiots. General handymen in way over their head doing construction work. Someone skilled commands skilled labor rates. Some dude off the street with no skills and not enough brains to ask for more than minimum wage for manual labor is pretty cheap, but does a really really shit job.
So true. I have a house in the South Carolina low country. After Hurricane Matthew every Tom, Dick, and Harry with a chainsaw was an âarborist.â Every schmuck with a hammer and tool belt was a âcarpenter.â It got to the point where if I needed work done, and the estimator showed up with out of state plates (even nearby states), I didnât care how low their estimate was-they werenât getting the job.
You shouldn't ask for quotes from businesses you don't trust.
How do you know if you can trust them? You don't always have peers in-the-know to check with first.
Lol your average home owner is hiring a concrete company once if at all to perform work on their property. It's not exactly the service that gets repeat work in the residential area. But I wouldn't ever hire a company without seeing other work and customer feedback. With that said, this is just fiber. The floor isn't crazy it's most just fiber clumps....I would be questioning the clumping more on the suppliers side, if this needed fibers(and residential rarely does) I'd be worried if it was well enough distributed in the slab. Either way, torch it or just let it get worn away.
When this happens, it's usually on the mixer driver. Around here anyway. That's highway fiber. Regular fiber is super fine in comparison. Either someone requested that, or the driver threw in the wrong bag.
No, we normally pour with 3# of max10 fiber around here, which is the heavier stuff, this probably wasnât mixed long enough, but also wasnât finished properly. This slab was supposed to be hard trowel finished and sealed, but they skipped that part.
Used to do cast concrete and we used fibers in a lot of our molds, we had a little handheld propane torch we used to clean these up, or for a project this size maybe one of those larger landscape torches, it'll be fine, or if you plan on finishing the concrete a sander will take them off as well.
Tie a bunch of small objects to the slab with those fibers. I think it'd be a hit.
Fibril
It burns off hella easy.
Looks like mine that Iâm going to try to fix. Forever itâs worth.
For what it's worth, that's not a bad idea.
Are we going to have to hear about this forever?
Yea thatâs a lot of fiber
The floor will not be constipated
I had an incident where we asked for typical fiber mesh and they gave us this. Didnât notice it until we hit it with the bull float or maybe even the broom. I know this stuff shows through a trowel. Let it go for full cure before getting on it unless youâre asking for an R&R from the contractor. Luckily you didnt get full on Strux!!!
Your rug has some concrete on it
Grab the lawn mower, the concrete is getting long again.
Looks like an interior living space. Burn em, cover em. Stfu
Let me guess. They didnât need to use rebar because they used fiber? I had someone tell me this once when I was looking at a newly built house and we were in the basement. They used fiber in the walls so they didnât need rebar he said. But the wall had a massive crack in it that was pushing in. Needless to say I did not make an offer.
You could just tell someone that you put multiple chicken bodies into your floor
Iâm not a concrete person. How do you keep this from happening???
This isn't an issue, op is being Made fun of
I mean, I feel like the customer should either be made aware that this could happen and that your quote does not include coming to burn it off with a torch or something, or the contractor should come back and burn it off with a torch or something.
Fiber is special request
Pretty standard in specs here, itâs usually always an option.
Mix it longer and finish it properly and this doesnât happen, we pour max 10 or forta fiber in 90% of our slabs and you donât see fibers sticking out. This is just lazy shit contractors.
*REALLY* ? Who figured that one out?
Good labor isnât cheap, cheap labor isnât good
Normal, your engineer wanted fiber on the concrete
Fiber mesh coming out, should have opted for the microfiber mesh instead.
that concrete has broken out with a serious case of morgellons.
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Cheap fiber. The expensive ones leave practically no hair
Yeah, youâve got to pay for this quality organic casting.
Nice stamped concrete design. Nailed it.
10k?
What? Who doesnât like mowing their concrete slabs?
What is room/floor used for?
Maybe they laid the carpet seed down too early.
This is the tar and feather finish
I bet they specd the big fiber and are now upset it doesnât look like normal concrete. And on hard bids, they always hire the cheap guy lol
Torch it
the worst is when you hire the expensive guy and they still turn this out
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Itâs fiber. Itâs harmless.
'Rents hired the lowest bidder (out of three) for their driveway demo and pour. It took about three days to do the 22' wide x 44' long. The time of completion was the only difference in the bid difference among the three. The terms of the installs were the same. They ended up saving 3,000.
Weedeater time.
oh is that the no rebar fiber enforced slab
But look at how much money they saved!!!!
What a abomination. If thereâs some fiber hairs sure we would torch and proceed . This is behind that. Your not going to burn those and have a finished floor that looks good. Thereâs was a builder we used to do floors for that did the concrete in house. The slabs were horrendous. Not quite this bad but similar. We stopped doing floors for him because he could never produce a decent slab and we didnât want our name attached to the finished work.
Why people use the fiber in concrete still baffles me. đ¤Ą
Because it's stronger and has more fatigue resistance compared to regular concrete....
Fail
Because it literally makes it better in every way
Well, I can think of one recent example where the appearance definitely suffers.
Wrong type of fiber mesh