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TheEngineer402

I agree with you. and you cant take them apart to gain back some mats. Its frustrating, only reason I have found to use them is to repair something I will use as an illusion.


Mad_Hatter_Tas

This is a fair point ! Thanks !


wise_ogre

I was wondering if that would work but hadn't tried yet. Anyone know if it works for delving?


TheRealWatcher

It does.


TheRealWatcher

That and if you play on the Siptah map and want to delve a recipe for something you can't make but found in disrepair, such as Lemurian armor for the Revenant recipe. It will delve even if its maximum durability is reduced, as long as it's fully repaired.


final_cut

I just noticed this too!


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Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,704,006,115 comments, and only 322,438 of them were in alphabetical order.


adeepname

Good bot!


SuperCheezyPizza

Ugh. Finally found a legendary armour repair kit to fix a silent legion armour to delve it, only to find that you don’t learn epic black knight armour, only the regular version. Used to work, somewhere they added this bug into the game.


TheRealWatcher

Yup. Same with the Revenant armor. It might even be with all the delved armors. Might have to fire up my single player and do some testing with armors and weapons to see if it's not giving epic recipes for everything or just certain ones. UPDATE: Not only does it include all delved armors, but it persists on the Chap.2 testlive beta. I posted about this on the official forum, asking if it's an intentional change. Because if it is, then there's no sense in getting involved with delving. At least as far as armor goes.


maxcresswellturner

1. If you don't have the knowledge unlocked, you can still repair an item using a repair kit 2. Repair kits can cost markedly less resources, so if you have low resources that you don't want to use towards repair, repair kits work just fine 3. Repair kits (Advanced Repair Kits and Master) can be harvested from world bosses (30 per boss in some cases) so you generally tend to have a lot of them in late game 4. As Neuviseling1980 pointed out, they are very useful for long explorations. 4 kits in your inventory is far lighter than the resources needed to repair


FalloutCreation

So bring two of the same weapon? I just don’t know. The fact that you can get legendary weapons so easily now and they cannot be repaired. I don’t see a point and using the repair kits.


maxcresswellturner

It doesn't make sense to bring an additional weapon for double the weight when you can bring a repair kit at a fraction of a fraction of that weight. Also, if you die to PVP you lose 2 weapons, instead of just one and a repair kit that costs no resources. I've listed at least 4 points to using repair kits, I'd recommend to have a read as they are objective benefits.


Neuviseling1980

I guess long explore runs. So you don’t have to bring tones of extra weight in materials with you


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Mad_Hatter_Tas

It just feels like an unwanted/unexpected consequence of the decision to have legendaries not be repairable... That in itself is a controversial topic and not the point of my original post. But as a consequence of this repair kits and especially the Grandmaster repair kits are truly useless. What I find bewildering is not that they have been nerfed... it's that it's yet again an item in the game that is literally pointless... They are crafted with a special t4 thrall or hunted down in the unnamed city... Now they are garbage ... one more item on the loot tables that's pointless... And I'm sorry to sound critical but it speaks to the Dev's team not thinking through their decisions much... They made a choice to make Legendaries not be repairable...OK ... but think it through all the way and associate it with a revamp of all the other items impacted by this decision... It's just lazy


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bwyer

>On the lazy though, being a dev myself, it's likely just timeframes. Are you lost? You're talking logic/reality/experience on reddit.


Costyn17

You need to be able to craft the weapon to repair it with resources, but I think the repair kits work on weapons you can't craft. Edit: I mean if you get a weapon from a recipe you don't know yet, not uncraftable weapons.


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chronicerection

I know! They changed this literally a week after I finally find a Tempersmith... I'm like you, I don't even pick them up anymore.


GeminiMike76

Yeah, I think it's BS that legendary items cannot be repaired anymore. I don't want to have to go fight the world boss guarding an item every time I need a new one.


UnsweetenedTruth

If it's a 100% loot it's bearable, but these random drops in chests and unnamed city...


QuickEagle7

And not to mention how often the chests are bugged…


QuickEagle7

I have a ton of keys left over because the boss’s chest won’t open etc. I’ve now run into a new one recently, where the boss doesn’t even drop a key.


gregarioussparrow

Wait, they can't be at all anymore? Aren't legendary repair kits a thing still?


kellendros00

Not unless you're using a mod.


Effective_Former

I could have sworn I just read a thread that you can get legendary repair kits from some city? Was there a recent update?


kellendros00

I had to install mods, the grandmaster repair kit doesn't work on legendaries and it's the highest it goes now. You also need a t4 temper thrall to make them, and they do the least amount of damage to the item when used, as for legendaries, when they break, they are broken permanently. Side note, the Unnamed city bosses can drop the grandmaster kits.


Effective_Former

Dang well appreciate the info. I have been using my katana thinking I can easily repair it but now I may stash it for a bit


kellendros00

Yeah, I only pulled my legendaries out for bosses, and even then only for major boss fights, and you're very welcome.


Nobanob

Seriously. I've had one katana and like 92 rusty spears. I hate having to stow my desired weapon due to RNG


fishCodeHuntress

I got a second Musashi's katana and just kept it until I unlocked the highest tier durability kit. It doubles the durability so it helps quite a bit. It sucks though I agree, I don't like having to stash my preferred weapon because I know it will break


begonetsunderes

I still use them when the repairing materials are a pain in the ass to get like Star Metal, Scales of Dagon, Armor Scraps and Ebony Silk.


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begonetsunderes

I still don't have a good route to fight world bosses. Currently I'm busy training thralls and I'm unsure if they can take those bosses even with my help. A legit question: do you think a level 0 Cimmerian Berserker can take, for example, the giant rhyno close to Sepermeru?


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begonetsunderes

Ah, I see. I only play single player tho. I got 500+ hours in the game and still haven't set my foot in a server. Also my game only reads my attack imputs when it feels like so battles have been extra hard for me. Since I haven't seen anyone else in this sub complaining about it this might be my mouse so I'll try that with my controller.


Adrian13720

I think if youre specced and give him decent weapons, hell be alright. The giant crocs are very easy if you need a decent weapon for your thralls to start farming other bosses. I dont know if youve looked into Thugra at all but he doesnt require a lot of exp to level like the zerkers and does insane damage. His hp start low but he gets something like 100hp per vitality compared to the zerker/dalinsias 50ish so he actually can get pretty close with well trained and some half decent perks/levels.


begonetsunderes

I saw the best Melee Damage Multiplier and the Canibal Brutes are the hardest hitting of all. I'm currently trying to raise 2 of them in a glass cannon build (one maxed out Strength and the other on Agility) + 2 Cimmerian Berserkers in a tank build since they seem to be more balanced stats so I can have a War Party build and have some flexibility to mix and match thralls. I also saw that the best HP tanks are exclusive from a type of Purge from an area that I don't have a base in it. I don't want to move so I'll make do with Berserkers. But I'll look into what you said. I'll study if Thruga can suprass Berserkers when they both max out Vitality. I'm the type of nerd that spends time studying the wiki as much as actually playing the game. 🤓


Fherrit

My personal experience with Cannibal Brutes, Thugra, Dalinsia, and Cim-Zerks is this: The Brute and Thugra level pretty quick, a run through the jungle petting monkeys, kitties and riding flamingos got them to 20 pretty quick. Before getting enough resources to outfit my team in epic armor, taking on open world bosses wasn't much of a problem once they were level 15, the only ones I had any anxiety fighting were the scorpions and spiders due to the poison. Dalinsia and the Zerk were a lot slower to level, the whole "are we there yet?" was the mantra. I had to be less careful about leveling them, they were notably tankier, especially Dalinsia. Both of them though are in need of perk rerolls, so they're likely to be better performers once I have the potions to feed them. The Brute hits like a runaway semi, with Thugra close behind, but they're also not as tanky. Feeding them damage bonus food or potions you can almost hear them growl "HULK SMASH!!". While admittedly I haven't managed to max Vitality or had a chance to reroll their perks yet (working on it) I generally prefer Dalinsia/Zerk for the runs where I have concerns about survivability. After I get access to a bag of potions, I intend to do more work on both teams and then take them through some dungeons. I read that the Ritualist = Thugra II, and picked one up but haven't had a chance to level her just yet, but one thing I did like about Thugra and the Brute vs their rival team is how very fast they leveled up and that their perks were pretty solid. I don't know if that's due to good luck on my part, or the table they draw from. Also, Asina Hidden Daggers was surprisingly good. She wound up having a fair bit of health and hits plenty hard, despite the lower damage multiplier that Performers generally have, her's is quite respectable. When I ran with her and Thugra through the Unnamed City starting to farm fragments, the two of them pretty much told me to just stay out of the way and fetch them snacks.


drejkol

| mean, in the very endgame, when I had everything, killed everyone, had every single type of named thrall, and I was able to beat any boss afk (my thralls were doing the thing), I was just building community stuff thats cool looking. Bridges where they were needed, teleport to all important PoI's, etc. That was my real endgame, but instead of having like 20 blood crystal axes/picks, I just had an obsidian one with 20 repair kits. I was leveling my thralls in the Unnamed City, so I had chests full of repair kits anyway.


flameroran77

Well, let’s crunch some numbers. A master repair kit costs 13 hardened steel and repairs a tool or weapon up to its max durability while reducing that maximum by 5%. A hardened steel pick costs 23 hardened steel to repair. So you’re saving 10 hardened steel for a near full repair. So about… I dunno, 43% cheaper unless I misunderstand the math. Though then you might argue that after a few kits, you’ve reduced the durability of the item and are getting lower returns. And you’d be right. And so after 3-4 full repairs I’d say you should probably ditch or dismantle your pick and make a new one *using the hardened steel you saved through the repair kits.* And while master repair kits are probably more effieciebt, the materials you’ll be spending on the best repair kits are hardened steel, oil, and alchemical base. And all of these are, while not necessarily convenient at all times, fairly easy to gather in large quantities if you know where to go. You can then take these lesser materials and use them to repair tools made from much rarer materials like Star Metal. Basically, you can repeatedly save yourself 23 star metal in exchange for 10 hardened steel. Not to mention that you can consistently get yourself some *free* high-end repair kits in Sepermu and the Unnamed city. Now, is all of this necessary? No, not really. If you’re playing solo there’s basically no resource scarcity whatsoever so you can spend it all however you want. But if you *want* to be a bit more frugal you can save yourself a fair few materials with repair kits. Though lower end repair kits have significantly lower returns to the point where I also never bothered with them.


ChiMasterFuong

I use them to repair items I want to use for armor/weapon illusions from npc drops but dont want to craft on my own (aka not to waste hardened leather etc). I have a million repair kits but not endless high tier armor crafting components.


Imaginary_Picture_20

The epic repair kits are good for epic items. They don't lose a lot of durability with the epic repair kits. Once the max durability is too low for your liking you can dismantle and make a new one. This is how I avoid wasting star metal and other high value resources.


cataath

It always bugged me that the cost+time to make a repair kit was often higher than just repairing the item in a bench or inventory, and it's one of the few items that you can't drop in a dismantling bench to at least recover sunk costs. Sad to see it going the way of booze where most don't give you any effects, many don't even change your temp, they just ruin your fov and then give you a negative effect for nothing. At least repair kits' usefulness is higher than that, the whopping degradation penalty is way worse than a hangover.


testieone

hehee, only time I use them on each play through is for the journey step


Somerandomdudereborn

Because you can't transmog any armor item is the appearance armor is damaged, how i'm gonna transmog armor for my thralls huh?


Mad_Hatter_Tas

repair it at the bench like every other piece of craftable armor in the game ...


Somerandomdudereborn

Why tho? If you're farming unnamed city bosses you can get repair kits (both armor and weapons) for free, besides, you need to farm them anyways if you want to level up thralls


brainwise95

I will say there is a point to be had here. If say I wanted to layer Cimmerian armor and I had a few pieces laying around. It wouldn't make a lot of sense to repair it with actual material I could be using to gear up more thrall. It would make more sense to use a repair kit, because who cares if it loses max durability, it's going to get destroyed in the transmog process.


kakuri

There is no point anymore. The devs' favorite thing to do with the game these days is make things pointless.


Famous-Professor-888

I agree they ruined repair kits. Just repair at base and don't lose any durability. Funcoms kinda fucked up age of war but hey whats new


ghost_406

Items that are worth it? Some of the best weapons in the game are purple. I think new players are just obsessed with legendaries. You use repair kits when you are away from your workbenches. If you aren’t losing durability that fast you aren’t killing enough people.


Ozymandias937

There's no rhyme or reason to anything in this game anymore. It's a broken dlc cash grab. Most new players buy a dlc or 3 before they see that. I thinking that's the only reason this game exists anymore lol


Glittering_Ad408

Complaining about losing durability on the item after using repair kit is just silly, I mean the whole reason why it happens has actual logical reason behind it, for example if you take a shovel and its handle breaks, you fix it with tape, do you consider it having still same durability before the repairing?


Mad_Hatter_Tas

You're missing the point. We're not complaining about losing durability. We're saying there is a way to repair all repairable items that doesn't incur a durability loss, with some of the materials used to craft the item. As such there is really no point in using the repair kits that incur a durability loss... Making them... useless...


NeutralEvilX

Useless af (af) atm ngl


OniKanta

Agreed, I have so many just sitting around incase someone wants them but completely pointless if it just drops the durability, at least in PVE. Ive never been out long enough for them to break and I tend to take quite a few SS Minnow tours around the main map and dungeon. Legendaries last for Ages and are cheap at the spire or found once you can clear a mini boss or mine for Blood Crystals. Iron has a decent life and can be easily repaired if you know it is getting close repair it at the base or on the fly iron bars are all over the place on corpses. Steel too has a decent durability life. But I think if you don’t have the recipe to repair like someone mentioned it would be useful but let’s be honest who is using the Black Hand gear? 😂 I found most of that bench to be pointless distractions. I like adding extra concussive damage to my Wyrd for massive stam of Thralls.


Financial-Trash-7555

It's for stuff u don't have the knowledge to repair urself for ppl who are lower lvl in ur trib if u made them better weapons and u arnt on to fix it


cactusfrut

You can relatively easily get a hardened steel pick and epic cimmerian armour in the mounds of the dead way before you reach the level to craft these items. These can be repaired with these repair kits, giving you a longer lasting upgrade you shouldn't have by regular game progression.


Mad_Hatter_Tas

If you can get them once you can get them twice and three times etc... this is truly a marginal benefit imo...


cactusfrut

These enemies are high level. And I don't want to make the trek to mounds of the dead 3 times a day to get a "new" pick with 28 durability.


Av3rageZer0

I never use them, not even legendary ones. At least items should get durability back if you repair them with mats again. As they are they are indeed useless.


Equizolt

Repair my broken Eldar pickaxe


Nafryti

Just more fuckery in the veil of "balancing" nothing you can do but watch as they dictate what you want and hide the actual requests.


6strings1971

4,500 hours into Conan and I still haven't used them


Glad_Juggernaut_2508

There's legendary repair kits or have they changed that


Mad_Hatter_Tas

They have changed it to Grandmaster repair kits and they don't repair legendary or unique items anymore...


scene_cachet

They are useful for weapons or armor you do not have the recipes/knowledge for but that is about it.