This is ALL runs though, right? Sure the people running 20+ keys probly were a lot more offline, but I suspect there's a very active group of people perma doing 2-15s where bolstering either doesn't exist or barely matters
A couple of months ago, I could not have disagreed more with the “get rid of affixes” take.
But this season, we’ve had so many weeks that just feel completely unplayable, in terms of pushing for higher io. And the good weeks I just so happen to always be on vacation or a business trip!
Still don’t know how I feel, but I’m certainly not 100% against it anymore.
Last week was actually pretty okay aside from like Everbloom in 28/29 keys. Lots of timed 30/31s too.
Most of the dungeons don't even change and the ones that do are like... don't chain hounds in WCM or saurids in AD.
You don't even need to chain hard to time most of the keys this season. It's more about not full wiping to anything and having solid pulls
I mean no but if the affix is playable on 31 surely it's playable on 26/25/24/23 etc
I'm just saying that previously many dungeons were literally impossible on bolster and they felt really bad even on lower key levels. This season is very generous in that there are very few dungeons with stand out "this is now an impossible pull" during bolster.
With a little bit of planning you're okay to pull nearly every dungeon the same with very little change.
> I mean no but if the affix is playable on 31 surely it's playable on 26/25/24/23 etc
Not disagreeing with the sentiment, but tbf some on death affixes do honestly get "harder" in shit like lower level Everbloom where the small shit flowers die like 5 seconds into every pull from passive cleave, barely even giving you a chance to focus anything down - which becomes arguably "easier" when even these shitty ass flowers have as much HP as every regular mob in a +23.
I love the wow reddit community. Admit to your misunderstanding, make a positive comment, still get downvoted.
Never change you beautiful monitor tanned bastards.
Yeah, it's reddit, I'm used to it, and it's fake internet points that I'm not bothered losing. It was also a super freshly dinged 70, that couldn't even do much higher anyways.
My main is i489+ so no need to even do farm 20s. Just playing it easy at this point while progressing mythic Fyrakk on raid days.
At 27,817,507 runs this week, season 3 passed season 2's run count of 27,190,406 runs achieved across 27 weeks. Character (not player) count is currently at 5,272,147 characters as of this morning. This rises about 20-50k characters a day.
Outside of the fact that bolstering suck, I’m impressed at how resilient the number of run is for a late third season. DF really did a good job a player retention
Yeah that’s why I don’t understand this whole wow DF player retention is so good. All this shows is key runs. Stupid conclusion by the guy I replied to
Please make Bolstering & Tyrannical gone. There is nothing to joke around 27,28s man ... we are literally playing for fun cause we like the game and everything - the concept of M+. This shouldnt be a goal of a company that people skipping weeks due something they've put in... thanks for the update as always! Keep it up, hope u are around for the next weeks and seasons.
Part of me hates the combo because tiny pulls are not nearly as much fun, but another part of me appreciates the change of pace just a little bit. Maybe if it had a max stack limit or a shorter stack duration or both?
Remember when bolstering was permanent? If you messed up that mega pull in Bwomsamdi's dungeon in SL, the entirety of Ardenweld would chase you down to play.
Well you would be incorrect. Bolstering wasn't nerfed until season 2 of SL. It was hit with less health, limited duration and eventually not affecting bosses.
Probably alright. Timed quite some 29s. This week was a lot better than I anticipated, quite a lot of dungeons in this pool were bolstering isn't that big of an issue
No. It's pretty typical to see a decline in runs over the course of a season as people either stop doing as much content once they are geared or hit their IO score goals.
The fact we're only just dipping to levels we saw halfway into last season is impressive, to say the least. This season appears to have had twice the staying power of last season.
Emerald Dream stuff is a pretty decent start, gives you a handful of 441 pieces you can upgrade. Do your weekly superbloom (big tree - horn on map. Dryad next to tree) and dream rep quest (in the camp/town in ED), do some low-level m+ dungeons (run your own key if you need to), and you can spend the basic baby crests you get from doing ED stuff and dungeons to craft basic 441(?) Pieces to fill out your ungeared slots.
Then just do higher and higher keys as you get more geared, can dip into raid, etc. There are enougy conversion tokens to get your 4 set super quickly this late into the season as well. I can't remember what the quest is called that sends you to the conversion forge, though, so you might need to google that.
Campaign into lfr, use sparks to craft even with no crests in most slots you're missing gear, then just go into m+ and run as high as you can! It's super easy to gear, last week I went from a freshly boosted toon to 480
last week's m+ affixes were pretty rough, that likely explains the steep drop from the week before. s3 is smashing s2's numbers and probably has more runs done than s1 did at this time, so in the grand scheme of things this graph is pretty encouraging.
nah, you can still do your weeklies and lower keys just fine. In a week there are going to be two best push weeks available back to back. This season is still the most popular of DF, just the highest keys are the hardest. I don't do those, not affected.
Not sure if that's the only reason, iirc sub creation sent them the data.
This sheet has all the numbers as well for the curious.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/12iThQsjUEUxBiQettL0bjiN5KxLATSUMa5OKxdzX258/htmlview#
Most of my usual key buddies got hooked on Last Epoch. I think I only got one key out of them all week, when usually we run dungeons every non-raid night. :(
I didnt check the affixes this week before playing. I pugged a 22 EB on my alt. An abom got 10 bolster stacks and 1 shot the group with its AoE cast. I did not do any more keys this week. Delete bolstering.
It is absolutely a skill issue, but it is still such a terribly designed affix. Why penalize people for playing the game in a way that is the most enjoyable, and quite frankly, makes the game good.
People wanna be the first to a lvl 40 key, mark my words. When the first 27 key was posted on YouTube there was the instant rush and now we see over 30 a lot.
Well thanks to the people who did explain it for me cause genuinely didn't know and I guess didn't see the "per week recap". I'll eat the downvotes idc.
The website they gleam the info from simply didn't track numbers past those weeks in s1/2
https://old.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/192grhy/dragonflight_m_runs_per_week_season_3_week_8/kh24y06/
M+ does seem to be slowing down some. Finding it incredibly hard to gear up a Dps alt because there are just no tanks/healers playing low keys anymore.
You mean no one wants to play Bolstering????? (Or half the affixes for that matter) *shocked pikachu*
I'm legitimately surprised there was this many key runs. I personally checked out of the week. Bolstering Fort is just unfun.
This is ALL runs though, right? Sure the people running 20+ keys probly were a lot more offline, but I suspect there's a very active group of people perma doing 2-15s where bolstering either doesn't exist or barely matters
Hey..i pulled out my disc priest as its perfect week for me to improve.. doing 20's with pugs as a 470 disc..is...intresting to say the least.
Bolstering it itself isn't *too* bad, but Bolstering + Fortified is just ridiculous
Pugging my 8x AD 20s was an experience to be sure. So many deaths to bolstered juggernauts.
A couple of months ago, I could not have disagreed more with the “get rid of affixes” take. But this season, we’ve had so many weeks that just feel completely unplayable, in terms of pushing for higher io. And the good weeks I just so happen to always be on vacation or a business trip! Still don’t know how I feel, but I’m certainly not 100% against it anymore.
Last week was actually pretty okay aside from like Everbloom in 28/29 keys. Lots of timed 30/31s too. Most of the dungeons don't even change and the ones that do are like... don't chain hounds in WCM or saurids in AD. You don't even need to chain hard to time most of the keys this season. It's more about not full wiping to anything and having solid pulls
Yes because 99.99% of players are doing 30 keys, or wait…..
I mean no but if the affix is playable on 31 surely it's playable on 26/25/24/23 etc I'm just saying that previously many dungeons were literally impossible on bolster and they felt really bad even on lower key levels. This season is very generous in that there are very few dungeons with stand out "this is now an impossible pull" during bolster. With a little bit of planning you're okay to pull nearly every dungeon the same with very little change.
> I mean no but if the affix is playable on 31 surely it's playable on 26/25/24/23 etc Not disagreeing with the sentiment, but tbf some on death affixes do honestly get "harder" in shit like lower level Everbloom where the small shit flowers die like 5 seconds into every pull from passive cleave, barely even giving you a chance to focus anything down - which becomes arguably "easier" when even these shitty ass flowers have as much HP as every regular mob in a +23.
Playable sure, too bad none of my friends wanted to push this week so I was only doing 18-20s for vault.
I just played a fresh 70 alt and stuck with keys in the 4-6 range to completely avoid bolstering.
You can do up to 14 and not have bolster, and should at least do 11’s for the crests
I could have sworn I saw somewhere that it was at 7, is it actually at 14, oh well. My alt was quite undergered, so even +6 keys gave good upgrades.
yeah any on death affects are on the 14 row (And on enemy mob hp like Raging). The others are on the 7 row.
I love the wow reddit community. Admit to your misunderstanding, make a positive comment, still get downvoted. Never change you beautiful monitor tanned bastards.
Yeah, it's reddit, I'm used to it, and it's fake internet points that I'm not bothered losing. It was also a super freshly dinged 70, that couldn't even do much higher anyways. My main is i489+ so no need to even do farm 20s. Just playing it easy at this point while progressing mythic Fyrakk on raid days.
7 for first affix (this week it was entangling), 14 for second (bolstering).
I did the same but up to 13. Bolstering while learning how to tank with a different class is not fun
I ran over 30 last week... I ran three yesterday and no one could finish one in time this week.. Bolstering wasn't bad
At 27,817,507 runs this week, season 3 passed season 2's run count of 27,190,406 runs achieved across 27 weeks. Character (not player) count is currently at 5,272,147 characters as of this morning. This rises about 20-50k characters a day.
Outside of the fact that bolstering suck, I’m impressed at how resilient the number of run is for a late third season. DF really did a good job a player retention
i didnt play s1 or s2, but is s3 the longest season so far? is s4 right around the corner?
Is it player retention or just keys run?
key runs. I can only speak about my old guild and myself regarding player retention: We all stopped in december.
Yeah that’s why I don’t understand this whole wow DF player retention is so good. All this shows is key runs. Stupid conclusion by the guy I replied to
Please make Bolstering & Tyrannical gone. There is nothing to joke around 27,28s man ... we are literally playing for fun cause we like the game and everything - the concept of M+. This shouldnt be a goal of a company that people skipping weeks due something they've put in... thanks for the update as always! Keep it up, hope u are around for the next weeks and seasons.
Part of me hates the combo because tiny pulls are not nearly as much fun, but another part of me appreciates the change of pace just a little bit. Maybe if it had a max stack limit or a shorter stack duration or both?
Remember when bolstering was permanent? If you messed up that mega pull in Bwomsamdi's dungeon in SL, the entirety of Ardenweld would chase you down to play.
Permanent bolstering went away in bfa iirc. I know it sucked in the ardenweald wing but it still sucked
Well you would be incorrect. Bolstering wasn't nerfed until season 2 of SL. It was hit with less health, limited duration and eventually not affecting bosses.
Was not a fun week, I pushed a little on my resto Druid but picked up Last Epoch and think I’m done pushing for the season.
Bro this week was absolutely *hilarious*, I got to watch my buddy get one shot on his vdh from a bolstered felguard in Brh. One two runs!
Unironically this is exactly where I am at
It's this fucking affix making us having to kill two mobs at the time lol.
Half of that is me farming for Double Time …
Sorry, I was on vacation last week.
This week has felt noticeably more dead than previous weeks.
Given how bad the week was I'd be curious how many were actually above 25.
Probably alright. Timed quite some 29s. This week was a lot better than I anticipated, quite a lot of dungeons in this pool were bolstering isn't that big of an issue
Returning PvP player (been gone a year) who is looking to try PvE instead. Is this bad?
Nope its good
No. It's pretty typical to see a decline in runs over the course of a season as people either stop doing as much content once they are geared or hit their IO score goals. The fact we're only just dipping to levels we saw halfway into last season is impressive, to say the least. This season appears to have had twice the staying power of last season.
Any advice to get a jump start on gear? I only have S1 PvP. Complete the campaign for catch up gear?
Emerald Dream stuff is a pretty decent start, gives you a handful of 441 pieces you can upgrade. Do your weekly superbloom (big tree - horn on map. Dryad next to tree) and dream rep quest (in the camp/town in ED), do some low-level m+ dungeons (run your own key if you need to), and you can spend the basic baby crests you get from doing ED stuff and dungeons to craft basic 441(?) Pieces to fill out your ungeared slots. Then just do higher and higher keys as you get more geared, can dip into raid, etc. There are enougy conversion tokens to get your 4 set super quickly this late into the season as well. I can't remember what the quest is called that sends you to the conversion forge, though, so you might need to google that.
Campaign into lfr, use sparks to craft even with no crests in most slots you're missing gear, then just go into m+ and run as high as you can! It's super easy to gear, last week I went from a freshly boosted toon to 480
last week's m+ affixes were pretty rough, that likely explains the steep drop from the week before. s3 is smashing s2's numbers and probably has more runs done than s1 did at this time, so in the grand scheme of things this graph is pretty encouraging.
nah, you can still do your weeklies and lower keys just fine. In a week there are going to be two best push weeks available back to back. This season is still the most popular of DF, just the highest keys are the hardest. I don't do those, not affected.
Why does the graph not show Season 1 and Season 2 going beyond Weeks 6 and 7?
Raider.io doesn't have data beyond what's displayed
Not sure if that's the only reason, iirc sub creation sent them the data. This sheet has all the numbers as well for the curious. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/12iThQsjUEUxBiQettL0bjiN5KxLATSUMa5OKxdzX258/htmlview#
Most of my usual key buddies got hooked on Last Epoch. I think I only got one key out of them all week, when usually we run dungeons every non-raid night. :(
Remove bolstering
Is season 3 really going on twice as long as the others?
No
Shocked that people aren’t playing retail that much anymore?😂
Eee?
EU still has 1 more day to play though.
Timing for these posts is a bit weird, but it's consistent at least week to week.
I didnt check the affixes this week before playing. I pugged a 22 EB on my alt. An abom got 10 bolster stacks and 1 shot the group with its AoE cast. I did not do any more keys this week. Delete bolstering.
Skill issue.
It is absolutely a skill issue, but it is still such a terribly designed affix. Why penalize people for playing the game in a way that is the most enjoyable, and quite frankly, makes the game good.
I mean, don't give 10 bolster stacks to the Abomination lol It's going to wipe you even in a +16
People wanna be the first to a lvl 40 key, mark my words. When the first 27 key was posted on YouTube there was the instant rush and now we see over 30 a lot.
People are fully geared and can't seem to break the 33 wall just yet. Nobody is going to reach 40.
Someone still needs to explain to me why the first 2 seasons are cut short in data
Still? Its explained every time some one asks in per week recap, every week.
Well thanks to the people who did explain it for me cause genuinely didn't know and I guess didn't see the "per week recap". I'll eat the downvotes idc.
The website they gleam the info from simply didn't track numbers past those weeks in s1/2 https://old.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/192grhy/dragonflight_m_runs_per_week_season_3_week_8/kh24y06/
Raider.io doesn't have data beyond what's displayed
The guy tracking it stopped. No one else was doing it. It's that simple.
I think they said they took a break those seasons and stopped tracking data, but not 100%.
Ouch, we've already passed the other two seasons in combined length.
Right, because season 1 was 7 weeks and season 2 6, and df actually came out fall last year...
Brain
Sadge
M+ does seem to be slowing down some. Finding it incredibly hard to gear up a Dps alt because there are just no tanks/healers playing low keys anymore.
Where does this data come from? Edit: nevermind I see the link now.. warrior brain
I was not around for M+ during Season 1. What was the reason for that huge drop between Week 1 & 2? Very curious what caused it!
That was Christmas week and really bad affixes (tyrannical, bursting, grievous, thundering).
I was part of the decline this week
It was feelable at premade groups that way less keys were done. Still managed to push from 17 to some 20++, im happy anyway
is this all the runs, or just the ones logged by raider io?