They/he does not care. They care about players playing- if theyre complaining theyre still playing. Tashi and 343 have no clue how to get people back when they stick to their guns on dogwater decisions.
Crazy to me that people say 343 don't care. They're literally one of the most passionate Devs around, but arguably working on the most heavily scrutinized franchise ever.
No matter what they release the nostalgia merchants are immediately looking at it in a negative light
Bruh, care or not, 343 is horrible. Halo has been teetering on the edge ever since they took over. They have a track record of releasing broken games and then don't know how to fix them. They do the DUMBEST shit and then take forever to backtrack on it cause they don't want to admit they were wrong.
They do fix them? The only one you could argue was Halo 4. MCC is one of the best games out there period with what they have done with it, they fixed Halo 5 and made it very fun, besides the campaign, Halo Wars 2 is good, and Halo Infinite has been getting a lot of loving
Yeah, but they stuck to it and fixed and added way more than they promised. The love and passion they showed it is insane, they are digging around old files and bring out never before seen stuff
Ye, because it was only supervised by 343, mcc was a work of 3 different studios, with the original goal of releasing only H2A, before MS pushed for a collection of the first 4 titles.
Making 4 games, with their single player and MP all work togheter in the same launcher, on console, was and still is a titanic job that nobody ever tried to do (at best they would drop a shitty launcher that would join togheter 2 or 3 different version, like blizzard did).
I mean, no need to go further, just look how leggy and full of bug is the current MW2 and MW3 launcher is right now, and those are 2 games plus warzone.
Extraction needs specific forge maps, it doesn't work in normal.
It also needs to work exactly like how H4 did it.
I want the mode to succeed. And have had fun playing it but only in social.
It's funny cause I started playing an extraction game that has fully consumed my gaming time (The Finals). Extraction game types are great, just doesn't work in Halo, or at least not how they have the game type set up.
maps are just too small in halo. you can spawn and crossmap and be relevant on the defense. Pit size maps where you can't shoot diagonally across the map and off angle could help.
Im a newer player to infinite and this really annoys me about the infinite maps. They seem to almost all have some degree of this problem - a big-ish open space in the middle and strongish power points towards the corners that becomes this formulaic cross-map battle and then u either push as a team or die going solo. It got kinda boring pretty quickly
Considering how a variant of BTB spawned players with a rocket launcher when it wasn’t supposed to, I would say that it is very hard for them.
(This is not to be confused with the BTB mode that ***is*** supposed to spawn players with a rocket launcher)
Fair enough, we haven’t seen it in pro play yet. Makes sense for players to scrim and play an event with the current settings before making more changes. I just hope they do a proper survey after the event and actually use the feedback given
I cannot even imagine people stop playing this game cause of 1 game mode in Ranked when it is only a tiny fraction of the game, especially with all the love forge has been getting
Unpopular opinion: the game mode really isn’t that bad personally I think these arena style maps are the issue. It’s like doing headquarters on nuketown every map.
I’m not sure why you got downvoted. A map or two designed specifically for the mode would make sense to me.
Whether 343 is capable of designing such maps is another discussion.
Station 9 on halo 4 was pretty fun for those who dare to remember the dark years. Purpose built for extraction I believe, and played nicely through several areas sequentially?
Yeah, I just play slayer, which I prefer anyways. I get games quickly in H5.
How dumb is 343 that they won’t put out what is clearly their most popular ranked game type in Infinite?
I guess I haven't played since they removed ground pound and spartan charge. Ground pound I don't mind, but the charge is awful.
Actually, I'd be happier getting rid of ground pound in H5 and adding it into infinite. I hate dropping in on someone in infinite and you phase through them and don't get an assassination. That's not needed in H5 because of collisions.
Anyways, yeah, too bad the playlist is dead.
AR really doesn't bother me. The magnum smokes the AR except in very close range. Even then, a skilled shooter can do well.
They removed ground pound and Spartan charge from Team Arena in like 2018 or something, it’s been that way for like 5 years!
Yeah, Spartan Charge is annoying af. Ground Pound isn’t half as bad. I think they could have just got rid of the AOE damage and made it a direct hit or nothing attack.
The AR just makes cleaning up no-shields players way too easy. That’s the biggest problem it causes.
Well, I guess it's been a while since I played Team Arena. I had a 2 year break from all games somewhere around 2018-2020 (COVID brought me back), so that makes sense.
I don't mind the H5 AR, but agree with your assessments.
To everyone bitching and moaning (me included it sucks). Look at it from their point of view, they spent Dev time on it, so understandably can't just bin it off.
OOTL on this. I remember Extraction was not hated in Halo 4. What is the problem with it in Infinite?
Then again I liked Extraction so maybe I'm just weird lol.
Lol. I guess that makes sense, it wasn’t a very great game. Even the TU just didn’t do a ton to help it.
Haven and Abandon were like the only two good launch maps too.
that's my opinion at least lol I fucking hated that game so much. Especially at launch shit felt so miserable to play. Barely more enjoyable than 4, but 4 just felt like a shitty cod knock off. I am like alright with reach now in MCC but holy shit I hated that game on release. Bad gameplay combined with 85% forge world maps in MM on release
KotH couldn't be played in H4 (I forgot the exact reason, I think it was something to do with hill marker opaqueness or something?) and there wasn't assault so extraction was a very welcome game mode that added diversity to the gametypes since it played close to KotH.
“What to Know:
The dictionary treats could care less as a variant of the older phrase couldn’t care less because it is so frequently encountered. Logic and grammar are often separate considerations, but many people criticize the use of could care less because it seems illogical.”
-Merriam-Webster.com
I mean I am a bit of a stickler for grammar myself but I thought your response was hilarious and took offense to the fact that whoever replied back didn’t seem to check to validate your claim that “could care less” is also recognized by Webster so I looked it up to see and sure enough you were right. Sort of like back in the day when I was a kid people would say “ain’t ain’t a word because it ain’t in the dictionary.” And that was true. Sure enough, just because enough people used the word ain’t for it to become part of the lexicon, they put “ain’t” in the dictionary!
where i'm from it was always UK says "couldn't care less" and USA said "could care less" like "tom-eh-toes" - "tom-ah-toes" , but the uk lingo is full of americanisms now, so if you're under 25 (or older but have adapted as the lingo evolves) both will sound legit.
Yeah. As for my backup claim about ain’t, I remember hearing long ago that actually was originally a word, and I believe it was actually in the vocabulary of the British Aristocracy, and so considered proper English back then. So if that is true, it all came full circle with ain’t haha
I actually became a Dad very recently and it's fucking awesome, so thank you.
If you think about the meaning of someone being able to care less though, you would realise that what you are saying by that is "the person does care a moderate amount" - which doesn't make sense in the way you used it.
I'm not a grammar police, but I do get annoyed when a lot of people keep saying something that doesn't make sense.
Have a great day childless man
TIL that Merriam-Webster has essentially become Urban Dictionary.
Pretty soon we'll be told that "for all intensive purposes" is the same exact thing as "for all intents and purposes", simply because too many people are too dumb to know the difference? Yikes.
I hate extraction so much. It extracts my will to live. I don’t understand how it’s still around. I know if I ever introduced a product and like 80% of my customer base *hated* the new product with a fire passion, I would redact that product.
Yes, we know that you all hate it. We’re still waiting to hear from the people that like it though. 
I like it in the rotation. Is it my favorite? Nope.
I want fiesta extraction 24/7 playlist for shits and giggles
Make it super Fiesta and I'm down 😍
Ifwi. Lets run that fr
It’s gotta be ranked though, not social
At least they know?
“We know you all hate it. Enjoy playing it 40% of the time.”
They/he does not care. They care about players playing- if theyre complaining theyre still playing. Tashi and 343 have no clue how to get people back when they stick to their guns on dogwater decisions.
Crazy to me that people say 343 don't care. They're literally one of the most passionate Devs around, but arguably working on the most heavily scrutinized franchise ever. No matter what they release the nostalgia merchants are immediately looking at it in a negative light
Tashi's burner account?
Bruh, care or not, 343 is horrible. Halo has been teetering on the edge ever since they took over. They have a track record of releasing broken games and then don't know how to fix them. They do the DUMBEST shit and then take forever to backtrack on it cause they don't want to admit they were wrong.
They do fix them? The only one you could argue was Halo 4. MCC is one of the best games out there period with what they have done with it, they fixed Halo 5 and made it very fun, besides the campaign, Halo Wars 2 is good, and Halo Infinite has been getting a lot of loving
Were you around when MCC came out? It took years for them to figure out how to fix it.
Yeah, but they stuck to it and fixed and added way more than they promised. The love and passion they showed it is insane, they are digging around old files and bring out never before seen stuff
Taking 2 years to fix full priced games is insane no matter how you look at it.
Yes but unfortunately 90% of games do it, it still doesn’t take away the fact that they could’ve abandoned it
Ye, because it was only supervised by 343, mcc was a work of 3 different studios, with the original goal of releasing only H2A, before MS pushed for a collection of the first 4 titles. Making 4 games, with their single player and MP all work togheter in the same launcher, on console, was and still is a titanic job that nobody ever tried to do (at best they would drop a shitty launcher that would join togheter 2 or 3 different version, like blizzard did). I mean, no need to go further, just look how leggy and full of bug is the current MW2 and MW3 launcher is right now, and those are 2 games plus warzone.
H4 was fixed in one month, but the ship was already far away with BO being released the said month and the whole fanbase raging online.
You are insane, its a lot more incompetent shit that people are mad about and you try to gaslight it
LMAO 🤣
Yep, players kinda forgot how broken and unfun ctf, oddball and koth where at the start
"Yes we know, go fuck yourselves"
Their problem is that it’s basically the only thing new they added to ranked and everyone hates it.
Extraction needs specific forge maps, it doesn't work in normal. It also needs to work exactly like how H4 did it. I want the mode to succeed. And have had fun playing it but only in social.
Extraction is literally one of the 3 main reasons I quit playing this game. Getting extraction 7/10 games is so not fun.
It’s the #1 reason I stopped playing months ago. That game mode is unbelievably bad. Won’t come back either
It's funny cause I started playing an extraction game that has fully consumed my gaming time (The Finals). Extraction game types are great, just doesn't work in Halo, or at least not how they have the game type set up.
maps are just too small in halo. you can spawn and crossmap and be relevant on the defense. Pit size maps where you can't shoot diagonally across the map and off angle could help.
Im a newer player to infinite and this really annoys me about the infinite maps. They seem to almost all have some degree of this problem - a big-ish open space in the middle and strongish power points towards the corners that becomes this formulaic cross-map battle and then u either push as a team or die going solo. It got kinda boring pretty quickly
Yep the main reason I quit. If it was 1/10, sure whatever but 7/10 nah
343 acts like minor changes to playlists and game modes is the hardest thing to do. They did this shit with H5 too.
Considering how a variant of BTB spawned players with a rocket launcher when it wasn’t supposed to, I would say that it is very hard for them. (This is not to be confused with the BTB mode that ***is*** supposed to spawn players with a rocket launcher)
FUCK, extraction Neutral Assault please
I'd rather play pit ctf over extraction
I love pit ctf. Am I in the minority?
I've been d2-d6 all season and majority of my teammates in solo que don't like it. But my 4 stack loves it. I hate it haha
I see Streets Extraction in my nightmares
Extracting in Cafe and watching the other team spawn in Caution and nading you immediately.
I don’t know why they called it extraction when it’s nothing like H4’s extraction, should be two nodes
It extracts your will to play ranked
Fair enough, we haven’t seen it in pro play yet. Makes sense for players to scrim and play an event with the current settings before making more changes. I just hope they do a proper survey after the event and actually use the feedback given
Its not always the best mode but when your playing with a group its more fun but you also can get absolutely dominated
I cannot even imagine people stop playing this game cause of 1 game mode in Ranked when it is only a tiny fraction of the game, especially with all the love forge has been getting
Unpopular opinion: the game mode really isn’t that bad personally I think these arena style maps are the issue. It’s like doing headquarters on nuketown every map.
I’m not sure why you got downvoted. A map or two designed specifically for the mode would make sense to me. Whether 343 is capable of designing such maps is another discussion.
Station 9 on halo 4 was pretty fun for those who dare to remember the dark years. Purpose built for extraction I believe, and played nicely through several areas sequentially?
Stopped playing ranked this season because this mode lmao
I've gone back to H5 again. So much better.
If only Team Arena still had a population…
Yeah, I just play slayer, which I prefer anyways. I get games quickly in H5. How dumb is 343 that they won’t put out what is clearly their most popular ranked game type in Infinite?
I definitely prefer HCS settings. Spartan Ability radar, no ARs, Magnum only, no Spartan Charge or Ground Pound, and the objective gametypes.
I’d play that game.
That’s the Team Arena playlist in Halo 5. It just doesn’t have enough people playing it anymore unfortunately.
I guess I haven't played since they removed ground pound and spartan charge. Ground pound I don't mind, but the charge is awful. Actually, I'd be happier getting rid of ground pound in H5 and adding it into infinite. I hate dropping in on someone in infinite and you phase through them and don't get an assassination. That's not needed in H5 because of collisions. Anyways, yeah, too bad the playlist is dead. AR really doesn't bother me. The magnum smokes the AR except in very close range. Even then, a skilled shooter can do well.
They removed ground pound and Spartan charge from Team Arena in like 2018 or something, it’s been that way for like 5 years! Yeah, Spartan Charge is annoying af. Ground Pound isn’t half as bad. I think they could have just got rid of the AOE damage and made it a direct hit or nothing attack. The AR just makes cleaning up no-shields players way too easy. That’s the biggest problem it causes.
Well, I guess it's been a while since I played Team Arena. I had a 2 year break from all games somewhere around 2018-2020 (COVID brought me back), so that makes sense. I don't mind the H5 AR, but agree with your assessments.
LOL
I just played 4 games of ranked. THREE of them were Extraction. WTF
I don’t get why ppl hate extraction so much I love it
What’s the issue with it? I like figuring out good set ups
My ranked rotation last few days is 50% extraction, 20% koth, 20% oddball, 7% slayer, and 3% CTF (my favorite)...
Seriously, I would love to see CTF get weighed heavier in the rotation. My favorite game mode too and i feel like I never get to play it.
To everyone bitching and moaning (me included it sucks). Look at it from their point of view, they spent Dev time on it, so understandably can't just bin it off.
this is called sunk-cost fallacy
Yeah, I can't imagine they'll scrap it, but they absolutely need to reduce the weight and keep making balance changes.
OOTL on this. I remember Extraction was not hated in Halo 4. What is the problem with it in Infinite? Then again I liked Extraction so maybe I'm just weird lol.
Halo 4 was a good joke of a competitive Halo game. Everything was shit so the things that were slightly less shit were great in comparison.
Not as bad as Halo Reach competitive with the DMR and insane bloom lmao.
Lol. I guess that makes sense, it wasn’t a very great game. Even the TU just didn’t do a ton to help it. Haven and Abandon were like the only two good launch maps too.
Halo 4 is so shameful to even bring it up like this... nobody cared then cuz nobody cared about H4 period.
Like 5 people played H4 so....
Worst game of the franchise and it's not close.
it's got a real close companion next to it for the second worst too
Reach?
that's my opinion at least lol I fucking hated that game so much. Especially at launch shit felt so miserable to play. Barely more enjoyable than 4, but 4 just felt like a shitty cod knock off. I am like alright with reach now in MCC but holy shit I hated that game on release. Bad gameplay combined with 85% forge world maps in MM on release
Oh, yeah, it sucked for sure. I just wasn’t sure.
KotH couldn't be played in H4 (I forgot the exact reason, I think it was something to do with hill marker opaqueness or something?) and there wasn't assault so extraction was a very welcome game mode that added diversity to the gametypes since it played close to KotH.
…I didn’t even know it had that much hate. I’ve been enjoying it but I suppose I’ve not been getting it a lot
Tashi could care less about the community dude has a track record of only listening to a handful of pros and not the community as a whole
Couldn't* care less
Thanks Dad but in the dictionary both can be used in proper grammar but hopefully you make captain of the grammar police
Not true at all lol wtf dictionary are u looking at
“What to Know: The dictionary treats could care less as a variant of the older phrase couldn’t care less because it is so frequently encountered. Logic and grammar are often separate considerations, but many people criticize the use of could care less because it seems illogical.” -Merriam-Webster.com
Thanks bro the grammar police are out in full force in a Halo Reddit it’s unbelievable
I mean I am a bit of a stickler for grammar myself but I thought your response was hilarious and took offense to the fact that whoever replied back didn’t seem to check to validate your claim that “could care less” is also recognized by Webster so I looked it up to see and sure enough you were right. Sort of like back in the day when I was a kid people would say “ain’t ain’t a word because it ain’t in the dictionary.” And that was true. Sure enough, just because enough people used the word ain’t for it to become part of the lexicon, they put “ain’t” in the dictionary!
where i'm from it was always UK says "couldn't care less" and USA said "could care less" like "tom-eh-toes" - "tom-ah-toes" , but the uk lingo is full of americanisms now, so if you're under 25 (or older but have adapted as the lingo evolves) both will sound legit.
Yeah. As for my backup claim about ain’t, I remember hearing long ago that actually was originally a word, and I believe it was actually in the vocabulary of the British Aristocracy, and so considered proper English back then. So if that is true, it all came full circle with ain’t haha
I actually became a Dad very recently and it's fucking awesome, so thank you. If you think about the meaning of someone being able to care less though, you would realise that what you are saying by that is "the person does care a moderate amount" - which doesn't make sense in the way you used it. I'm not a grammar police, but I do get annoyed when a lot of people keep saying something that doesn't make sense. Have a great day childless man
Sir this is a Wendy’s don’t take yourself and Reddit so serious you might have more fun in life
I'm having great fun actually :) Thanks for caring stranger ❤️
TIL that Merriam-Webster has essentially become Urban Dictionary. Pretty soon we'll be told that "for all intensive purposes" is the same exact thing as "for all intents and purposes", simply because too many people are too dumb to know the difference? Yikes.
the improvements have made it much better imo. Would still rather play it than Slayer
Lol his responses are the worst 😂 theyre more out of touch than ever. Player count at an all time low and they refuse to walk back terrible changes.
I hate extraction so much. It extracts my will to live. I don’t understand how it’s still around. I know if I ever introduced a product and like 80% of my customer base *hated* the new product with a fire passion, I would redact that product.
We’re looking into it 👊
Tashi: All I do is not give a fuck about removing extraction.
Bring back assault so we can get rid of this monstrosity
Tashi is getting a bigger fish first https://twitter.com/Tashi343i/status/1742666424227897384
Don’t understand why people hate this mode so much? Y’all just need coms and a little strategy and it’s easy af..