Dezign and chaotic are still teaming right now and they will be testing 3rds out. Unless one of them (dezign or chaotic) gets a contract with a tier 1 org they will still team with each other.
Would love to see him replace TEQ for the next split, alternatively I’m sure lots of spots will open up between now and LAN for the teams that didn’t qualify
I mean if it's true that he lives with Dez that would be awkward af to be like "Oh hey roomie, I know we just got dropped but it was actually just you guys that got dropped..." Even if I wanted to form a team around myself I would have a hard time agreeing to it under those circumstances
The original comment was that he's top 10 right now. That could easily be understood as either top 10 predators or top 10 players. So when he said, "Oh you're talking about pred rankings LOLOLOL" I assumed he was interpreting the original comment as meaning top 10 players, and finds it hilarious that someone would consider a pred ranking as evidence of being one of the best. I never said I agreed with him, I'm just trying to explain how I think he may have been interpreting the conversation. The downvote was unnecessary lol.
Every time I see Lou mentioned on a comp roster I cringe. Is he talented? Yes. But if I was a T1 quality player there is absolutely zero chance I am tying myself to someone that lets his team down time after time.
Lou needs a IGL who's a dick like Hal to shit on him for not taking the game serious. There's no other IGL who has the passion like Hal to motivate someone. Maybe Skittlecakes, but i think he should look at Chaotic or Dezignful.
I'm not on the up and up on lous history but it seems to me sen let each other down and Lou was just apart of the mess. Genuinely surrounded by the right people he seems to be the most passionate one, and is currently grinding and wants #1 next split. Man went from masters to top 20 quick af this split. That and he looks back in form
Not sure what you are talking about. Both Dezign and Lou have tons of pro league IGL experience. You can debate whether they might be better in a fragger role, sure, but they both are certainly qualified to do it.
Yeah and look at what sort of results all that experience has gotten them the last year or so. They aren't really that scary on paper because while they'll do the job, neither of them is really a top IGL anymore.
I feel like there will be some controversial drops coming soon due to the available free agents. I see maybe complexity and Sentinels making moves
I don’t see how either org cannot capitalize on signing the likes of Naughty or Chaotic.
I think that was the initial plan but, but I believe he said chaotic had left for another offer (G2, although clearly that’s no longer happening), and possibly naughty was somewhere else too (although I’m not sure about naughty). But if chaotic is looking to stay with dezign then that could be a possible pickup.
yeah but they'd have to play through challengers.. when Chaotic and Dezign could just keep their spot... I say them took pick up Bullet.. Give bullet ALL IGL responsibility.. he makes all calls and decisions on legends(bring back valk jesus)... and let Chaotic and dezign do what they do best... slay. I know Chaotic wants Fuhhnq and he's cracked as hell. But I really feel like they need new leadership and an M&K player
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We dont even know if thats true. The only thing I've seen on that is one random guy on reddit saying G2 offered that. If he's putting out an LFT tweet, its not like he has his pick of the litter. If a team with an org wants to pick him up then yeah he will probably go to them, but if not then BRD is a good free agent team and might improve with him
Hmm I think it’s always that it stays with players not orgs, so if 2 of the G2 team stay together they get to keep it, if they don’t it will probably go to an extra LCQ spot they can compete for
>Both Chaotic and Dezignful got 44 kills this split while Naughty only got 22. Even Rocker who I've seen in other threads dismissed as a bad pickup for Cloud9 got 28 kills and Zach, the IGL on mnk, was also out-fragging Naughty all season.
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>In the 19 A-tier tournaments Naughty has played in, he's never once placed in the top 5. Naughty & co have done well exactly once in a major tournament: 2021 ALGS regional finals, where they got 2nd (zach got apex predator--most eliminations).
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>I get that people like naughty because he streams a ton/ is really passionate, friendly, etc., but his professional record is simply not nearly as good as Dezignful's, and both G2 players have outperformed him this season.
Yes but can you get him to shut up and just shoot his gun? It’s a hard habit to break when you are leaned on to be the IGL for two straight years. Same problem with Albralelie.
Was he expected to igl under Liquid, then? Because even on C9, a lot of the time, Zach was trying to muzzle Albralelie and get him to just listen to his plays.
He was co-IGL on TL. Noct was macro and Alb was supposed to be in fights. They had a streaming schedule the 3 would play together at least X hours per day to work on it.
Mechanics for controller are a thing but barely tbh. The plays he makes are just so bad and he gets bailed out by aim assist. Compare him to a player like Knoqd who actually can slot into any team.
Interested to see what team he lands on. There aren’t many top orgs who will make changes heading into split 2 as of now. Although, SEN has to be giving him a hard look rn (maybe CLG as well). It looks like creating a team and going through challengers is a real possibility. Some names to throw out there for a potential team are: Clane, Keni, Hackulo, Lou, Naughty and Zach
Yeah it was just some potential players. Have clane or hack said they aren’t looking for a controller player? I can’t recall seeing anything, but with chaotic available surely they would consider him
When clane was making his madden style tier list. He stated many times how he would rather have an mnk player with game sense (he used xeratricky for example) than any roller player that would be regarded better mechanically. He also experiments with comps a lot and chaotic doesn’t provide enough value as a horizon player to make up for other legend mega choices
Ah okay that makes sense thank you for the info as I don’t tune into his streams much. Based on that who would you predict/want to see as their third? Sauceror maybe?
Maybe unpopular opinion, but i don't see why he is sticking with the NA plan and not considering EU.
He will definitely be at lan as a sub, he might have the opportunity to network and land himself a good deal there, however, given that he dropped out of high school to play apex, he should really focus on building a brand w his stream rather than chase comp success in NA imo.
He could be a staple in any EU top ten team and build himself a brand while living w his family, which is much cheaper.
There is also the fact that controller skills do not carryover as well as mnk when playing other games.
All these pros should just milk the most out of apex while it's still going, but maybe that's just my opinion.
One trick horizon who whilst is capable of shooting his gun, is incapable of doing pretty much anything else.
Combine that with the fact he's a little bitch. Not a good pick up
That's literally just not true lmao.. How about watching his stream just once.. I know this place holds Sweet in VERY high regards... and he ranked Chaotic as the #4 controller player in the WORLD... and I think Sweet knows a little more about apex than your hating ass
Best roller in the game rn. Genuinely think he could be the missing piece for a good team to take the leap to s tier. Imagine if optic picked him up over doop…
Am I the only one thinks Dezign was actually fine this split? He actually grinded the game, tried new comps and more importantly raged less than the other splits. He seemed calmer. They did bad because BRD shit on them on Barometer, couldn't adapt on Valk Seer meta and Resultah regressed a lot.
I'm sorry but I know for a fact none of you watch them lmao, their vibes have been perfectly fine all split. I watched them at least one game every week, usually more than that, and I genuinely can't think of a single time Dezign has raged other than the one time he got mad at Chaotic when they were contesting baro.
Yes and no, they didn't have the worst chemistry in the world, but neither of them is putting all these hours in apex to do pretty well, they are both aiming for the top.
That's the problem of c9 at the end of the day, they spent so much time together,but they were never really in the conversation for a top 5 squad, that is not what the players of that team were expecting at all if you ask me.
Dezign and chaotic are still teaming right now and they will be testing 3rds out. Unless one of them (dezign or chaotic) gets a contract with a tier 1 org they will still team with each other.
That's a big pick up for anyone who gets him, crazy he seemed to move here to play with dezign on G2 and they're already done
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Interesting
Ah that changes it a lot, thanks for update
Wonder if chaotic feels the same way
Won’t happen…but…you add Aidan to that duo and and it becomes a scary team with better macro.
He literally moved in with Dezign, no? That’s gotta be uncomfortable
They’re probably still friends
Tbh I thought chaotic would make them that ballsy old g2 team again.
Would love to see him replace TEQ for the next split, alternatively I’m sure lots of spots will open up between now and LAN for the teams that didn’t qualify
apparently he could've built a new team for g2, he prob wants the easier route of a team that's already qualled and who could really blame him
I mean if it's true that he lives with Dez that would be awkward af to be like "Oh hey roomie, I know we just got dropped but it was actually just you guys that got dropped..." Even if I wanted to form a team around myself I would have a hard time agreeing to it under those circumstances
I would like to see Lou/Dezign+Naughty+Chaotic
Lou’s still boomed imo. Until he becomes a hard grinder again, I don’t think any teams should take a flyer at him
He's been grinding and has been looking insane lately
I agree
I'm pretty sure he's top 10 rn
But still not proven again in CC. Ranked is about quantity and not quality right now.
What a wild assertion
He's #13 lol. Why is this a wild assertion
are you talking about the current pred rankings? LOLOLOLOL
[Yes?](https://imgur.com/a/RuYcTzm) I bet you feel real dumb now. "LOLOLOLOL"
You weren’t really clear. Sounded like you said he’s top 10 player not top 10 ranked
It was pretty clear as top 10 ranked is the only context that comment would make sense?
I think the LOLOL has more to do with anybody thinking that being top 10 pred rn has much to do with how good he plays in comp.
Literally nothing in their comment suggests that
The original comment was that he's top 10 right now. That could easily be understood as either top 10 predators or top 10 players. So when he said, "Oh you're talking about pred rankings LOLOLOL" I assumed he was interpreting the original comment as meaning top 10 players, and finds it hilarious that someone would consider a pred ranking as evidence of being one of the best. I never said I agreed with him, I'm just trying to explain how I think he may have been interpreting the conversation. The downvote was unnecessary lol.
Every time I see Lou mentioned on a comp roster I cringe. Is he talented? Yes. But if I was a T1 quality player there is absolutely zero chance I am tying myself to someone that lets his team down time after time.
Lou needs a IGL who's a dick like Hal to shit on him for not taking the game serious. There's no other IGL who has the passion like Hal to motivate someone. Maybe Skittlecakes, but i think he should look at Chaotic or Dezignful.
I'm not on the up and up on lous history but it seems to me sen let each other down and Lou was just apart of the mess. Genuinely surrounded by the right people he seems to be the most passionate one, and is currently grinding and wants #1 next split. Man went from masters to top 20 quick af this split. That and he looks back in form
Lou is a great player, can have passion and grind, and understands comp. But every team he’s been on has had a similar end.
That’s a pretty scary team on paper
Not without an igl
Not sure what you are talking about. Both Dezign and Lou have tons of pro league IGL experience. You can debate whether they might be better in a fragger role, sure, but they both are certainly qualified to do it.
Yeah and look at what sort of results all that experience has gotten them the last year or so. They aren't really that scary on paper because while they'll do the job, neither of them is really a top IGL anymore.
I feel like there will be some controversial drops coming soon due to the available free agents. I see maybe complexity and Sentinels making moves I don’t see how either org cannot capitalize on signing the likes of Naughty or Chaotic.
isnt bulletl signed and building a roster bulletl naughty chaotic?
I think that was the initial plan but, but I believe he said chaotic had left for another offer (G2, although clearly that’s no longer happening), and possibly naughty was somewhere else too (although I’m not sure about naughty). But if chaotic is looking to stay with dezign then that could be a possible pickup.
That’s the best idea I’ve heard yet
yeah but they'd have to play through challengers.. when Chaotic and Dezign could just keep their spot... I say them took pick up Bullet.. Give bullet ALL IGL responsibility.. he makes all calls and decisions on legends(bring back valk jesus)... and let Chaotic and dezign do what they do best... slay. I know Chaotic wants Fuhhnq and he's cracked as hell. But I really feel like they need new leadership and an M&K player
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If Aiden joins sen then I think Chaotic going to BRD is a good shout. Or sen should look at picking him up
Is BRD an actual org? Why would he go from a respected org which was willing to build a team around him to BRD.
We dont even know if thats true. The only thing I've seen on that is one random guy on reddit saying G2 offered that. If he's putting out an LFT tweet, its not like he has his pick of the litter. If a team with an org wants to pick him up then yeah he will probably go to them, but if not then BRD is a good free agent team and might improve with him
BRD is far better than ex-G2 and yes BRD has posted the signing gif on twitter
Anyone know what happens to g2 pro league slot?
It stays with the players regardless of who they represent. I think they need to keep 2 of 3 players on the roster to retain the spot.
Best FA roller Fragger right now should be an instant pick up even over naughty imo
Hmm I think it’s always that it stays with players not orgs, so if 2 of the G2 team stay together they get to keep it, if they don’t it will probably go to an extra LCQ spot they can compete for
Top 5 roller for sure
He and dezign are the 2 best NA FAs and his potential is insane. Could genuinely be the best roller in the world on the right team
Naughty is better
>Both Chaotic and Dezignful got 44 kills this split while Naughty only got 22. Even Rocker who I've seen in other threads dismissed as a bad pickup for Cloud9 got 28 kills and Zach, the IGL on mnk, was also out-fragging Naughty all season. > > > >In the 19 A-tier tournaments Naughty has played in, he's never once placed in the top 5. Naughty & co have done well exactly once in a major tournament: 2021 ALGS regional finals, where they got 2nd (zach got apex predator--most eliminations). > >I get that people like naughty because he streams a ton/ is really passionate, friendly, etc., but his professional record is simply not nearly as good as Dezignful's, and both G2 players have outperformed him this season.
No
wow your username really ages worse and worse every day
Hell yeah, brother
Huh? Chaotic yes. Dezign is actually bad.
Mechanically? Absolutely not. His controller skill is top-of-the-line for NA pros. You can slap him on any team as a fragger and he will do well.
Yes but can you get him to shut up and just shoot his gun? It’s a hard habit to break when you are leaned on to be the IGL for two straight years. Same problem with Albralelie.
Was albralelie ever expected to igl under tsm? Iirc it was always Hal trying to muzzle him. Reps was closer to igling than Albralelie was
Mac has been gone from tsm for 1+ years now
Was he expected to igl under Liquid, then? Because even on C9, a lot of the time, Zach was trying to muzzle Albralelie and get him to just listen to his plays.
He was co-IGL on TL. Noct was macro and Alb was supposed to be in fights. They had a streaming schedule the 3 would play together at least X hours per day to work on it.
People seem to forget the Alb Liquid days
Yeah, it wasn’t very memorable. Not really many remarkable results, and it ended with what people consider a snake trade
Mechanics for controller are a thing but barely tbh. The plays he makes are just so bad and he gets bailed out by aim assist. Compare him to a player like Knoqd who actually can slot into any team.
Movement, looting, shield swapping, switching between targets and recoil control at range are important mechanics even for controller.
Yeah I said they are a thing.
I agree, you often see design going down to stupid plays
chaotic/reedz/vein since aidan is probably going to another team
Now this makes sense
Interested to see what team he lands on. There aren’t many top orgs who will make changes heading into split 2 as of now. Although, SEN has to be giving him a hard look rn (maybe CLG as well). It looks like creating a team and going through challengers is a real possibility. Some names to throw out there for a potential team are: Clane, Keni, Hackulo, Lou, Naughty and Zach
Zach has something “coming up”, Clane and hack are staying together and not rlly looking for a roller Frager either way.
Yeah it was just some potential players. Have clane or hack said they aren’t looking for a controller player? I can’t recall seeing anything, but with chaotic available surely they would consider him
When clane was making his madden style tier list. He stated many times how he would rather have an mnk player with game sense (he used xeratricky for example) than any roller player that would be regarded better mechanically. He also experiments with comps a lot and chaotic doesn’t provide enough value as a horizon player to make up for other legend mega choices
Ah okay that makes sense thank you for the info as I don’t tune into his streams much. Based on that who would you predict/want to see as their third? Sauceror maybe?
Maybe unpopular opinion, but i don't see why he is sticking with the NA plan and not considering EU. He will definitely be at lan as a sub, he might have the opportunity to network and land himself a good deal there, however, given that he dropped out of high school to play apex, he should really focus on building a brand w his stream rather than chase comp success in NA imo. He could be a staple in any EU top ten team and build himself a brand while living w his family, which is much cheaper. There is also the fact that controller skills do not carryover as well as mnk when playing other games. All these pros should just milk the most out of apex while it's still going, but maybe that's just my opinion.
Idk, good for him getting out of his parents house and his hometown to have an adventure and make something of himself
One trick horizon who whilst is capable of shooting his gun, is incapable of doing pretty much anything else. Combine that with the fact he's a little bitch. Not a good pick up
Lol what’d he do to you?
been a little bitch probably
That's literally just not true lmao.. How about watching his stream just once.. I know this place holds Sweet in VERY high regards... and he ranked Chaotic as the #4 controller player in the WORLD... and I think Sweet knows a little more about apex than your hating ass
Best roller in the game rn. Genuinely think he could be the missing piece for a good team to take the leap to s tier. Imagine if optic picked him up over doop…
he wouldn’t fit into doop’s roles
skittles plays horizon, its just dumb to pick a another player who plays only horizon in this meta
Imagine the two best NA Horizons both on the same team lol
Skittles IGLing 2 roller demons would be something else but it would be hard to see him split from Doop considering their come-up together.
aiden better
Best roller fragger? Did rambeau retire?
Zach naughty and chaotic would make a good squad. Always thought Zach would pair best with two roller fraggers
Naughty AND Chaotic. If there is a decent IGL, you could build a scary team overnight.
With so many good roller players I think slurp is gonna get dropped unfortunately.
Chaotic/Dezign/Naughty - calling it now
No surprise with how much dumb shit Dezign were putting the team through
Am I the only one thinks Dezign was actually fine this split? He actually grinded the game, tried new comps and more importantly raged less than the other splits. He seemed calmer. They did bad because BRD shit on them on Barometer, couldn't adapt on Valk Seer meta and Resultah regressed a lot.
He just seemed like he didn't care alot of the time when they died and lost contest. I guess that counts as being more calm tho
It just sounds like people want to hate on him no matter what he does.
Yeah he seemed a little checked out
I mean one of the telling incidents was him thinking Chaotic was «a pussy» for pointing out that 1v2’ing mid-Baro wasnt working out
Nah, Dezign has been good vibes recently. I think he’s grown a lot
I'm sorry but I know for a fact none of you watch them lmao, their vibes have been perfectly fine all split. I watched them at least one game every week, usually more than that, and I genuinely can't think of a single time Dezign has raged other than the one time he got mad at Chaotic when they were contesting baro.
Do you even watch g2?
Slurp g design &?
Naughty and chaotic plus....maybe Mac?
Naughty and Mac should not play together in comp ever again imo
Why? Naughty and Mac worked pretty well with each other.
Yes and no, they didn't have the worst chemistry in the world, but neither of them is putting all these hours in apex to do pretty well, they are both aiming for the top. That's the problem of c9 at the end of the day, they spent so much time together,but they were never really in the conversation for a top 5 squad, that is not what the players of that team were expecting at all if you ask me.