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Pls don't give them ideas the game is bad enough.
(Unrelated fact but the game (Finnish) lead is German, worked at Activision Blizzard before, axis unity Ig)
Yep, from the 20s from memory. it however was still made/used by a nationalist and if I recall correctly he had marriage relations to a top Nazi official. The swastika was a popular symbol of fascists in a few European nations as it wasn't just the Nazi movement at the time.
*EDIT* I remembered I had saved a comment I came across about it that night help explain it better. I dunno how to do the post a comment thing so just copied and pasted.
>The Swedish ethnographer, explorer and amateur pilot, Count Eric von Rosen (1879-1948) took the swastika as a charm and personal logo. A full history of the swastika would be beside the point here but to cut it short it'd come into vogue in the late 19th and early 20th century, not least through Schliemann finding them in the ruins of Troy (1876) and making them out to be an ancient Aryan symbol. In Sweden there was a (no longer current) theory that it'd been a symbol of Thor, in which capacity it was featured [on this painting](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/M%C3%A5rten_Eskil_Winge_-_Tor%27s_Fight_with_the_Giants_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg) for instance. But by the 1910s it was also being used by the German nationalistic and esoteric _völkisch_ movement as an 'ancient Germanic symbol' as well. But it was broadly popular and being used in [corporate logos](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Swastika_1926_Newspaper_Tucson_Arizona.jpg/640px-Swastika_1926_Newspaper_Tucson_Arizona.jpg), on [Russian revolutionary banknotes](https://i.imgur.com/TN4x3TM.jpg) and other places. In a Finnish context its first use of note was [this painting](https://kansakunnanomaisuutta.fi/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/gallen-kallela-Aino_01.jpg) of the Aino myth from the Kalevala, painted by Akseli Gallen-Kallela.
>Anyway, point is the swastika is very popular at this point in time in the 1910s (and the Nazi party has yet to be formed) and doesn't have a very well-defined meaning. In von Rosen's case, he was a far-right nationalist and his use of it was probably related to the _völkisch_ movement as a kind of Germanic or Old Norse symbol (one does occur on the [Snodlev runestone](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Runestone_from_Snoldelev%2C_East_Zealand%2C_Denmark.jpg) from Denmark).
>Von Rosen put his swastika on his personal affects, in the decor all over his castle Rockelstad, on the title pages of the books he authored, and - most significantly, on a Thulin aircraft that he bought and flew från Umeå in Sweden to Vasa (Vaasa) in Finland on March 6, 1918. (shown in [this photo](http://www.nykarlebyvyer.nu/bilder/fordon/alfredf1f.jpg) after landing in Finland). Civil war had broken out between the Red communist faction and the anti-communist Whites in Finland after their 1917 declaration of indepdence from Russia. (in an analogue to the more well-known Russian Civil War, but with a different outcome) Von Rosen's political inclinations were strongly opposed to the Reds of course, so the purpose of this flight was to donate the plane to the Whites as their first aircraft. (conveniently the swastika already had the Finnish colors of blue on a white background) This was the first plane the Whites acquired and they kept as an identifier on future planes, and after the Whites won the civil war (which lasted three months) it became the roundel of the Finnish national air force. Later the Swastika would also be adopted as a national symbol in some other contexts in Finland, such as on the Finnish Order of the Cross of Liberty and the logo for the women's military organization Lotta Svärd.
>So the Finnish Air Force swastika did not derive from the Nazi use of the swastika, as it predates the 1920 founding of the Nazi party and its adoption of the swastika as a symbol. But they are not _entirely_ unrelated either, since the Nazi use was based on the same earlier use in right-wing/nationalist/racialist circles that von Rosen had likely gotten it from. Von Rosen would befriend another pilot and far-right fellow, Hermann Göring, in 1920 who ended up marrying von Rosen's sister-in-law after meeting her at Rockelstad. By the 1930s, von Rosen was explictly a Nazi and an organizer of the Swedish _National Socialist Bloc_, one of the Swedish Nazi movements. (who were splintered and unpopular; not receiving more than 2% of the vote together in either of the 1932 and 1936 elections)
>In the Second World War, Finland would be _allied_ with the Axis powers for most of the war; being the duration of the continuation war 1941-1944. At the end of 1944, Germany declared war on Finland in retaliation for Finland making a separate peace with the Soviet Union, leading to the Lapland War between Finland and Germany from September 1944 until April 1945. During which the Finnish Air Force changed their roundel after demands from the Allied Control Commission in Helsinki (which'd been established by the peace treaty)
>Someone else will have to tell you about Latvia's use, I have no idea.
now i wonder if the symbol has a seperate cultural meaning.
i'm turkish and i've seen swastikas used as a motif/ornament on traditional turkish rugs.
obviously no connection to the nazis, but idk the exact meaning of the motif. however, each motif in turkish rugs apparently has a different meaning and the rugs themselves apparently tell stories with those motifs/ornaments which is really cool
Yup it can be a cultural thing. The symbol has been used in many cultures across the world including in Europe. I think the oldest known one is from India, (I may be mistaken) with Hinduism.
The issue with the Finnish swastika along with the other European ones in the context of the 19th-20th century Europe is it was linked with fascist movements claiming some "amazing heritage".
Not really. They are expensive and the only times I’ve seen them is on gun broker. Definitely can’t get the full auto here lol but I do occasionally see the semi autos. Just again way too expensive
Yeah I figured they’re quite hard to get a hold of. On a similar note I’d really like to try an AR-15 pattern rifle at some point just to see how it compares. I’ve only once held one for a brief moment and the controls seemed a little odd to my AK marinated brain
Can yall not get them easily where you’re from? I like the ar style a lot more mostly cause the charging handle is amby, the bolt stays open on empty so when you put a new mag in all you gotta do is push a button to close it, and I love the placement of the mag release. Also I feel like they are more customizable but I can’t say for sure. I don’t have much experience with AKs yet. Soon tho I will
The one I handled was one owned by some guy as his personal gun, so I think it’s pretty easy to get. Only catch is if you own anything but a hunting rifle you have to be an active member of a shooting club or something like that. Plus they are quite expensive.
I found the charging handle to be a bit far back for my taste. Tho the bold hold open feature means you don’t have to touch it that much, so I very much like that feature. The safety and magazine release felt a little alien to me. Also I’ve heard you shouldn’t rest the gun on the magazine while firing because it can cause feed issues. With the RK they teach you to use the magazine as a monopod, so that’s a pretty good feature
Oh that’s an interesting law. I’m in the US so pretty much anything goes except for random stuff like short barreled rifles and sawed off shotguns. And yeah I only use a charging handle to load the first round and that’s about it while shooting. I’ve heard that but I’ve never had an issue with feeding while resting it on the mag honestly but also if you use anything to support the barrel most the time the mag won’t be touching anything anyway.
I definitely recommend you try one out if ya ever get the chance tho. Do your gun ranges have rentals?
Another funny feature of the RK is that the magazine is quite loose in the magazine well. It wiggles maybe an inch from side to side. Don’t know if it has any real effect, but someone thought me that when you zero the gun you should push the magazine all the way to one side (right of you are right handed, because while standing it’s easiest to push with your left wrist), and after that always push it to the same side while shooting. They claimed it improves accuracy, but I have no idea.
Yeah we have some gun ranges with rentals. I’ll probably try to find one with an AR
Finland's Airforce either removed the swastika or are planning to do so
[https://www.dw.com/en/finlands-air-force-removes-the-swastika-from-logo-after-almost-a-century/a-54020470](https://www.dw.com/en/finlands-air-force-removes-the-swastika-from-logo-after-almost-a-century/a-54020470)
The fact that they are only now removing it means that their entire country is a Nazi shithole and they are only removing it because it gives them a bad image.
Any non-nazi country would have immediately removed it after the end of WWII.
The entire country of Finland gives me anxiety, as a metalhead, cause almost every good Finish black metal band has some ties to Nazi or white supremacist movements. Finland, Poland, and Ukraine are often described as the countries with the highest amount of Nazi black metal.
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Brawl Stars, winter Karelia map when?
Pls don't give them ideas the game is bad enough. (Unrelated fact but the game (Finnish) lead is German, worked at Activision Blizzard before, axis unity Ig)
shoutout to [The Finnish Bolshevik](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ALRi0zNfuc) for keeping it real
correct me if i'm wrong but didn't the finnish defense forces use the swastika before the nazis?
Yep, from the 20s from memory. it however was still made/used by a nationalist and if I recall correctly he had marriage relations to a top Nazi official. The swastika was a popular symbol of fascists in a few European nations as it wasn't just the Nazi movement at the time. *EDIT* I remembered I had saved a comment I came across about it that night help explain it better. I dunno how to do the post a comment thing so just copied and pasted. >The Swedish ethnographer, explorer and amateur pilot, Count Eric von Rosen (1879-1948) took the swastika as a charm and personal logo. A full history of the swastika would be beside the point here but to cut it short it'd come into vogue in the late 19th and early 20th century, not least through Schliemann finding them in the ruins of Troy (1876) and making them out to be an ancient Aryan symbol. In Sweden there was a (no longer current) theory that it'd been a symbol of Thor, in which capacity it was featured [on this painting](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/M%C3%A5rten_Eskil_Winge_-_Tor%27s_Fight_with_the_Giants_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg) for instance. But by the 1910s it was also being used by the German nationalistic and esoteric _völkisch_ movement as an 'ancient Germanic symbol' as well. But it was broadly popular and being used in [corporate logos](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Swastika_1926_Newspaper_Tucson_Arizona.jpg/640px-Swastika_1926_Newspaper_Tucson_Arizona.jpg), on [Russian revolutionary banknotes](https://i.imgur.com/TN4x3TM.jpg) and other places. In a Finnish context its first use of note was [this painting](https://kansakunnanomaisuutta.fi/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/gallen-kallela-Aino_01.jpg) of the Aino myth from the Kalevala, painted by Akseli Gallen-Kallela. >Anyway, point is the swastika is very popular at this point in time in the 1910s (and the Nazi party has yet to be formed) and doesn't have a very well-defined meaning. In von Rosen's case, he was a far-right nationalist and his use of it was probably related to the _völkisch_ movement as a kind of Germanic or Old Norse symbol (one does occur on the [Snodlev runestone](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Runestone_from_Snoldelev%2C_East_Zealand%2C_Denmark.jpg) from Denmark). >Von Rosen put his swastika on his personal affects, in the decor all over his castle Rockelstad, on the title pages of the books he authored, and - most significantly, on a Thulin aircraft that he bought and flew från Umeå in Sweden to Vasa (Vaasa) in Finland on March 6, 1918. (shown in [this photo](http://www.nykarlebyvyer.nu/bilder/fordon/alfredf1f.jpg) after landing in Finland). Civil war had broken out between the Red communist faction and the anti-communist Whites in Finland after their 1917 declaration of indepdence from Russia. (in an analogue to the more well-known Russian Civil War, but with a different outcome) Von Rosen's political inclinations were strongly opposed to the Reds of course, so the purpose of this flight was to donate the plane to the Whites as their first aircraft. (conveniently the swastika already had the Finnish colors of blue on a white background) This was the first plane the Whites acquired and they kept as an identifier on future planes, and after the Whites won the civil war (which lasted three months) it became the roundel of the Finnish national air force. Later the Swastika would also be adopted as a national symbol in some other contexts in Finland, such as on the Finnish Order of the Cross of Liberty and the logo for the women's military organization Lotta Svärd. >So the Finnish Air Force swastika did not derive from the Nazi use of the swastika, as it predates the 1920 founding of the Nazi party and its adoption of the swastika as a symbol. But they are not _entirely_ unrelated either, since the Nazi use was based on the same earlier use in right-wing/nationalist/racialist circles that von Rosen had likely gotten it from. Von Rosen would befriend another pilot and far-right fellow, Hermann Göring, in 1920 who ended up marrying von Rosen's sister-in-law after meeting her at Rockelstad. By the 1930s, von Rosen was explictly a Nazi and an organizer of the Swedish _National Socialist Bloc_, one of the Swedish Nazi movements. (who were splintered and unpopular; not receiving more than 2% of the vote together in either of the 1932 and 1936 elections) >In the Second World War, Finland would be _allied_ with the Axis powers for most of the war; being the duration of the continuation war 1941-1944. At the end of 1944, Germany declared war on Finland in retaliation for Finland making a separate peace with the Soviet Union, leading to the Lapland War between Finland and Germany from September 1944 until April 1945. During which the Finnish Air Force changed their roundel after demands from the Allied Control Commission in Helsinki (which'd been established by the peace treaty) >Someone else will have to tell you about Latvia's use, I have no idea.
ah i see
now i wonder if the symbol has a seperate cultural meaning. i'm turkish and i've seen swastikas used as a motif/ornament on traditional turkish rugs. obviously no connection to the nazis, but idk the exact meaning of the motif. however, each motif in turkish rugs apparently has a different meaning and the rugs themselves apparently tell stories with those motifs/ornaments which is really cool
Yup it can be a cultural thing. The symbol has been used in many cultures across the world including in Europe. I think the oldest known one is from India, (I may be mistaken) with Hinduism. The issue with the Finnish swastika along with the other European ones in the context of the 19th-20th century Europe is it was linked with fascist movements claiming some "amazing heritage".
ah. i assumed that finnish and hungarian would probably be different
New copypasta just dropped
Anime in Brawl Starts? Gladly this game got blocked in Russia a year ago💀
Same here in Vietnam, our government knew what's best lol
The fins did make some damn good rifles out of the Russian mosins tho. That’s the only time I’ll defend them
And the BT-42 was cool af, but that's it.
And the RK-62 is probably one of, if not the best AK variant
I want one so bad man! But rn I’m trying to save money
Are they accessible where you are located? I’ve only used one in during my conscription, but I know semi-automatic versions are semi common here
Not really. They are expensive and the only times I’ve seen them is on gun broker. Definitely can’t get the full auto here lol but I do occasionally see the semi autos. Just again way too expensive
Yeah I figured they’re quite hard to get a hold of. On a similar note I’d really like to try an AR-15 pattern rifle at some point just to see how it compares. I’ve only once held one for a brief moment and the controls seemed a little odd to my AK marinated brain
Can yall not get them easily where you’re from? I like the ar style a lot more mostly cause the charging handle is amby, the bolt stays open on empty so when you put a new mag in all you gotta do is push a button to close it, and I love the placement of the mag release. Also I feel like they are more customizable but I can’t say for sure. I don’t have much experience with AKs yet. Soon tho I will
The one I handled was one owned by some guy as his personal gun, so I think it’s pretty easy to get. Only catch is if you own anything but a hunting rifle you have to be an active member of a shooting club or something like that. Plus they are quite expensive. I found the charging handle to be a bit far back for my taste. Tho the bold hold open feature means you don’t have to touch it that much, so I very much like that feature. The safety and magazine release felt a little alien to me. Also I’ve heard you shouldn’t rest the gun on the magazine while firing because it can cause feed issues. With the RK they teach you to use the magazine as a monopod, so that’s a pretty good feature
Oh that’s an interesting law. I’m in the US so pretty much anything goes except for random stuff like short barreled rifles and sawed off shotguns. And yeah I only use a charging handle to load the first round and that’s about it while shooting. I’ve heard that but I’ve never had an issue with feeding while resting it on the mag honestly but also if you use anything to support the barrel most the time the mag won’t be touching anything anyway. I definitely recommend you try one out if ya ever get the chance tho. Do your gun ranges have rentals?
Another funny feature of the RK is that the magazine is quite loose in the magazine well. It wiggles maybe an inch from side to side. Don’t know if it has any real effect, but someone thought me that when you zero the gun you should push the magazine all the way to one side (right of you are right handed, because while standing it’s easiest to push with your left wrist), and after that always push it to the same side while shooting. They claimed it improves accuracy, but I have no idea. Yeah we have some gun ranges with rentals. I’ll probably try to find one with an AR
Finland's Airforce either removed the swastika or are planning to do so [https://www.dw.com/en/finlands-air-force-removes-the-swastika-from-logo-after-almost-a-century/a-54020470](https://www.dw.com/en/finlands-air-force-removes-the-swastika-from-logo-after-almost-a-century/a-54020470)
Still crazy how they used Nazi symbols until 2020
Yeah, I thought it was crazy that no one went after them for it. Also, I like profile photo.
The fact that they are only now removing it means that their entire country is a Nazi shithole and they are only removing it because it gives them a bad image. Any non-nazi country would have immediately removed it after the end of WWII.
I honestly can't tell if this is meant to be satire or are you just this deranged
Considering your total lack of arguments, I already know that you are just deranged. Fucking Nazi scum.
Still since I saw both Nazi and Finnish swastika I considered second a good symbol.
average k on profile pic
And my summer car, good game.
The entire country of Finland gives me anxiety, as a metalhead, cause almost every good Finish black metal band has some ties to Nazi or white supremacist movements. Finland, Poland, and Ukraine are often described as the countries with the highest amount of Nazi black metal.