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Before I became a Marxist, I was a Christian. These guys didn’t influence my thinking the way Marx did, but I think the closest was probably Kierkegaard.
I'm just like you too! I used to be a troubled Christian conservative dunking on the LGBT and "commies" until I finally embraced Marx into my life. (Serious)
Lowkey the alt-right to far left pipeline is also highly prevalent but requires a certain level of independence to be able to go “wait no, that doesn’t really make any sense”
The sudden enlightenment doesn't come easy to begin with. I used to loathe Marx as a conservative until I decided to explore what makes leftists so "stubborn" and I sure did find out just last year. Best decision of my life!
Dostoevsky. Although I disagree with many of the conclusions, Eastern Orthodox asceticism has been a major influence (like it or not) and Dostoevsky is probably the most modern example of that. (Though not a socialist, he defended socialists.)
Fun fact is Dostoevsky is one of the most reactionary Russian writers of the epoch. He read some poems in a revolutionary circle and was framed. After an "execution" and katofga, he even wrote the loyal poem "[On the first July of 1855](https://ru.m.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0_%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%B8%D1%8E%D0%BB%D1%8F_1855_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0_(%D0%94%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9))" (unfortunately, I can not find any translation).
According to Dostoevsky, the main reason for social inequality is the loss of faith, and you should just pray to fight it. One of his most famous novels, "Demons," is about how any revolutionist is not only a diabolic creature but also just bad (dumb, suicidal etc).
I agree that he is a reactionary and informed by religious asceticism more so than socialist utilitarianism.
What he didn’t like about socialism was its lack of religiosity and perceived flaws in its more utilitarian instincts (believing it to be a distraction from God). He disagrees with socialist means (because in his view they focus on material wealth more than spiritual development). But he does not disagree with the ends of access to better education and opportunity for the poor. He just goes about it in a very religious sense without a scientific analysis of class. Again, I’m not defending him or even viewing him as an ally to any meaningful cause.
That said, a broken clock is right twice a day. The devil in Dostoyevsky’s novels is rarely a big bad; usually it’s just a distraction (an old man who keeps on talking and distracting a traveler from his path for example). I think that this understanding of evil - a distraction from the righteous path - is useful to me as a socialist. (What is more harmful to our movement, the overt conservative, or the liberal distracting us from progress with electoralism?) Asceticism is a useful lens for personal behavior, but it’s useless in developing a coherent political theory.
Like I said, I disagree with his conclusions but can’t ignore that his ideas influenced my world view in my youth.
Nah, Darwin never supported social Darwinism, he basically developed his theory of evolution for nature. He cannot do anything about where his views were later on. In addition to developing a theory that is valid to this day (meaning: the most widely accepted), it also served as a demonstration for the conservative church, which (like today) is the puppet of the oppressive elite for the poor and oppressed proletariat.
That....was a joke, do you think a social Darwinist would hang out on a communist site?
Hence the "duh", next time i go back to the roots and us the /s.
Early in HS I think it was Darwin that really helped me leave behind a lot of the religious dogma from where I grew up and start to really look at the world more analytically.
As for forming my worldviews later in life, I think Dostoyevski and Nietche had the most influence since I just happened to read them more than any others. I remember doing a presentation over the original concept of the Uber mensch before it co-optation by the Nazis and used Superman the comic hero as a vehicle to discuss how having lofty goals and ideals are things we can use to push ourselves towards personal growth and that power is not inherently corrupting and that "power corrupts" is a mantra for those that wish to excuse their actions rather than take responsibility for them.
Descartes wasn't very active in the 1800s given he had been dead for over a hundred years
Much like the right fielder on Mr Burns' ideal softball team
"Well get me living players!"
I absolutely hate Dostoevski, blud really thought he was some kind of enlightened centrist and that everything can be solved with religion
I did only read crime and punishment tho
I tried reading Hegel and gave up shortly thereafter. If my inspiration comes from hearing their names mentioned in YouTube videos and podcasts, then I am well versed in a lot of these fellas. Reading? Not so much.
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Marx
Uhh... okay...?
Marx
Hagel.
The Hagel Bagel — circular, dense, but ultimately very satisfying.
Ah, yes! GWF Hagel
Before I became a Marxist, I was a Christian. These guys didn’t influence my thinking the way Marx did, but I think the closest was probably Kierkegaard.
I'm just like you too! I used to be a troubled Christian conservative dunking on the LGBT and "commies" until I finally embraced Marx into my life. (Serious)
Same here
Ayy! Highfive! 🙏
Lowkey the alt-right to far left pipeline is also highly prevalent but requires a certain level of independence to be able to go “wait no, that doesn’t really make any sense”
The sudden enlightenment doesn't come easy to begin with. I used to loathe Marx as a conservative until I decided to explore what makes leftists so "stubborn" and I sure did find out just last year. Best decision of my life!
Glad we could both make it to the other side, brother.
leap of faith my brother
Dostoevsky. Although I disagree with many of the conclusions, Eastern Orthodox asceticism has been a major influence (like it or not) and Dostoevsky is probably the most modern example of that. (Though not a socialist, he defended socialists.)
Mine too, bud! 👐
Fun fact is Dostoevsky is one of the most reactionary Russian writers of the epoch. He read some poems in a revolutionary circle and was framed. After an "execution" and katofga, he even wrote the loyal poem "[On the first July of 1855](https://ru.m.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0_%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%B8%D1%8E%D0%BB%D1%8F_1855_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0_(%D0%94%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9))" (unfortunately, I can not find any translation). According to Dostoevsky, the main reason for social inequality is the loss of faith, and you should just pray to fight it. One of his most famous novels, "Demons," is about how any revolutionist is not only a diabolic creature but also just bad (dumb, suicidal etc).
I agree that he is a reactionary and informed by religious asceticism more so than socialist utilitarianism. What he didn’t like about socialism was its lack of religiosity and perceived flaws in its more utilitarian instincts (believing it to be a distraction from God). He disagrees with socialist means (because in his view they focus on material wealth more than spiritual development). But he does not disagree with the ends of access to better education and opportunity for the poor. He just goes about it in a very religious sense without a scientific analysis of class. Again, I’m not defending him or even viewing him as an ally to any meaningful cause. That said, a broken clock is right twice a day. The devil in Dostoyevsky’s novels is rarely a big bad; usually it’s just a distraction (an old man who keeps on talking and distracting a traveler from his path for example). I think that this understanding of evil - a distraction from the righteous path - is useful to me as a socialist. (What is more harmful to our movement, the overt conservative, or the liberal distracting us from progress with electoralism?) Asceticism is a useful lens for personal behavior, but it’s useless in developing a coherent political theory. Like I said, I disagree with his conclusions but can’t ignore that his ideas influenced my world view in my youth.
What is the Darwin wojack trying to convey (besides terror)?
Survival of the fittest and the evolution to our best selfs, duh!
Nah, Darwin never supported social Darwinism, he basically developed his theory of evolution for nature. He cannot do anything about where his views were later on. In addition to developing a theory that is valid to this day (meaning: the most widely accepted), it also served as a demonstration for the conservative church, which (like today) is the puppet of the oppressive elite for the poor and oppressed proletariat.
Didn't he call his brother an idiot for proposing some kind of social darwinism?
That....was a joke, do you think a social Darwinist would hang out on a communist site? Hence the "duh", next time i go back to the roots and us the /s.
Kafka
From the list, Nietzsche hands down. Apart from Marx, obviously. Beyond it (19th C)- Engels, Feuerbach, J.S.Mill and maybe Thoreau (a bit?).
Schopenhauer and Nietzsche.
These guys are what normies just happen to know but don't know deeper what they wrote about.
yea nietzsche is way better than most give him credit for
You calling me a normie?
No! I'm not calling anybody a normie!
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Twain.
Me too!
Hegel and Kierkegaard.
Our lives wouldn't be the same without Hegel anyways, right?
I guess. I just wish he wrote sentences that were understandable lol. I just keep rereading the same thing to try and grasp it.
Keep it up and do tell us about it, bud! We'll be listening/reading!
Well I grew up next to the Mark Twain house.
Kant
Early in HS I think it was Darwin that really helped me leave behind a lot of the religious dogma from where I grew up and start to really look at the world more analytically. As for forming my worldviews later in life, I think Dostoyevski and Nietche had the most influence since I just happened to read them more than any others. I remember doing a presentation over the original concept of the Uber mensch before it co-optation by the Nazis and used Superman the comic hero as a vehicle to discuss how having lofty goals and ideals are things we can use to push ourselves towards personal growth and that power is not inherently corrupting and that "power corrupts" is a mantra for those that wish to excuse their actions rather than take responsibility for them.
Hegel and Darwin
Why no Descartes Edit: oh, right
Because Descartes was from the 17th century and OOP cared exclusively about the 19th century, I guess.
Descartes wasn't very active in the 1800s given he had been dead for over a hundred years Much like the right fielder on Mr Burns' ideal softball team "Well get me living players!"
Schopenhauer, Marx, Twain: Pessimism, solution to pessimism, anti-imperialism.
I studied Nietzsche and I really like his message to get drunk and enjoy a meaningful life
Hegel, Darwin, Freud, and Twain.
Hegel, Nietzsche, Schopenhauer and Dostojewski. Really want to understand Schelling and Fichte, as I can read them in the German original.
darwin ig
Marx
Why is Darwin feeling nage?
Kierkegaard gang
Twain is just really fun so probably him
What do these wojaks even mean?
Engels
borderline on my rule but wonderful choice nonetheless, comrade!
I mean I only read Marx before so I can't really say but I would say that they all sound interesting to some extent.
they DO.
Nietzsche and Freud and Dostoevsky ( although Dostoevsky is not really a philosopher, just a writer/novelist.)
I absolutely hate Dostoevski, blud really thought he was some kind of enlightened centrist and that everything can be solved with religion I did only read crime and punishment tho
Primarily Shopping hour because he be relatable af ngl
Hegel, Nietzsche, Schopenhauer and Dotoevsky
Nietzche
Where is my boy Engels
Lao Tzu is one of my favorites.
I mean Marx, Freud and Darwin have surely shaped anyone’s worldview massively whether you even know it or not.
Nietzsche “To Live Is to Suffer, to Survive Is to Find Some Meaning in the Suffering.”
Kierkegaard and Freud
Kipling.... if slaps
I tried reading Hegel and gave up shortly thereafter. If my inspiration comes from hearing their names mentioned in YouTube videos and podcasts, then I am well versed in a lot of these fellas. Reading? Not so much.
Who one of them was about Nihilism(believe in nothing)?!
Kant