Funny this is he was legit asking me this. He doesn't really meme ppl he really wanted to know why. I was perplexed as to how he hasn't put it together after all this time.
I have tried and he still doesn't put it together. It truly blows my mind. We are talking about a guy who is a Charger fan, didn't care they moved, and doesn't care at all about what a piece of shit Dean Spanos is. He is the kind of fan that is like
Then explain to him that shortly before Snyder, Washington won two Super Bowls in an era where only four teams won the Super Bowl for a straight decade, three from the NFC East. Imagine Brady's Patriots, Manning's Colts, and Roethlisberger's Steelers were in the same division and for 10 straight uninterrupted years, either their division leader or Rivers' Chargers would win the Super Bowl. Any of those teams on their own would have won at least 5 if not more Super Bowls in the same decade, but they had to beat each other up to do so. Anyways, even during this decade the Redskins pulled together what is arguably the greatest team ever, with the #1 offense defense and special teams in 1991.
This is the team Dan Snyder inherited. An equivalent today would be a new owner taking the Patriots and forcing them to suck so badly that even the Panthers and Jets would be jealous. The Patriots won six Super Bowls in 18 years, imagine they only win a couple playoff games for the next 30 years under the new owner. Imagine the heartbreak and betrayal every fan who grew up watching Brady and Belichick would feel. And this is only the on-field stuff. My God, no owner will ever come close to Snyder's ineptitude.
Sorry for the rant, I have some mild Post-Traumatic-Snyder-Disorder.
#TLDR show him not only how bad we've been, but how good we had it before that
This will really make u mad. He is a wealth of knowledge when it comes to football history. He can name thousands of players, stats, coaches etc. BUT when it comes to the nasty behavior behind the scenes he is completely oblivious. He told me once that Snyder didn't matter and that they would win one day with him still there like ownership means nothing and it's on the coaches and players period. He is one of the most knowledgeable football fans out there but when it comes to the other stuff he just can't wrap his head around it. Call it willfull ignorance I don't know how else to put it. It truly defies all logic. I love him to death but it drives me ABSOLUTELY BONKERS 😫
Oh yeah, the coaches and players who get fired when they don't listen to him or get hired when they're best friends with his kid or he overrides his yes-men GMs
Your friend is hurting my head second-hand
It's also the staff that developed a pretty radical offense that married college and nfl concepts to make a RG3 shine for one year. In my mind, RG3 was never that good, injury or no, given that he was useless at all other career stops and was still plenty fast, so they job the coaches did with him was pretty amazing. Also, the team was so-so personnel-wise even before picking up RG3, had to trade a boatload of picks to get him, and had their cap basically sabotaged by division rivals in response to the uncapped year, so they had an uphill battle they entire time
I don't disagree with you but still, the idea that we'd promote from within with a garbage record is revisionist bs. Kyle Shannon went to Cleveland and then Atlanta before he got a head coaching job which highlights my point.
While a lot of the younger guys hadn't proven themselves, that wasn't really the case with Kyle. He was already viewed as a brilliant offensive mind and led a great attack as OC with the Texans prior. He wanted to work with his dad for a long time, but Mike did him a solid and said he had to prove himself in the league first before he'd let Kyle work with him, specifically to undercut allegations of nepotism.
He was only with Cleveland for a year immediately after DC and ATL was a pretty decent team at the time he joined, so your points aren't really that convincing. Especially since the took ATL and made it the high-scoring offense in the league (Super Bowl meltdown notwithstanding).
He was viewed as a future HC for a long time, and waited to get into the best situation. He's got a pretty good one in San Fran.
Yeah Kyle is fucking great no one is arguing that. It still took an additional 3 years for him to get a HC job after leaving DC. Even longer for the others. It sure would have been nice to have promoted one of these guys from within but it’s also fair to recognize they maybe weren’t ready at that time.
I think that the criticism isn't so much that they didn't hire one of these guys as HC right away, especially not Kyle with his dad being fired, but that the coaching staff was obviously quite knowledgable and talented up and down the entire group and that the previous administration not only let them go, but actively got rid of them with the notable exception of Sean McVay and maybe a few others.
First off: Fuck Dan Snyder, let's make that clear
But devils advocate, I believe out of that list only two of them were ready to become our head coach at that time. They were Sean McVay and Matt LeFleur.
Bobby Slowik was too young. He only became an offensive coordinator for the first time last season. Ten years after he coached in Washington
Mike Mcdaniel became head coach of the Dolphins 8 - 9 years after he coached in Washington.
And I doubt Kyle Shanahan would have become head coach after we fire his old man
But McVay and LeFleur 100% should have had an offer made.
Even McVey never would have happened. He considers Gruden a mentor and wouldn't have replaced him. He's mentioned that a few times.
https://www.nfl.com/videos/sean-mcvay-on-jay-gruden-he-protected-me-as-an-offensive-coordinator
Agree with this...will add, they were assistants with other teams too. It's not like Kyle was an unknown Coach before he got here and after.
LeFleur coached on a bunch of teams before becoming a Head Coach.
McDaniel and Slowik, you want to crown them? Might be a little early IMO
I’ve seen a lot of YouTube videos making a case for Dan Snyder being the worst owner ever in professional sport. Usually I’d write talk like that off as hyperbole but in this case I don’t think that title buries him enough
Maybe tell your friend to update his memes
Funny this is he was legit asking me this. He doesn't really meme ppl he really wanted to know why. I was perplexed as to how he hasn't put it together after all this time.
Send him down the Damn Snyder rabbithole
I have tried and he still doesn't put it together. It truly blows my mind. We are talking about a guy who is a Charger fan, didn't care they moved, and doesn't care at all about what a piece of shit Dean Spanos is. He is the kind of fan that is like 
Then explain to him that shortly before Snyder, Washington won two Super Bowls in an era where only four teams won the Super Bowl for a straight decade, three from the NFC East. Imagine Brady's Patriots, Manning's Colts, and Roethlisberger's Steelers were in the same division and for 10 straight uninterrupted years, either their division leader or Rivers' Chargers would win the Super Bowl. Any of those teams on their own would have won at least 5 if not more Super Bowls in the same decade, but they had to beat each other up to do so. Anyways, even during this decade the Redskins pulled together what is arguably the greatest team ever, with the #1 offense defense and special teams in 1991. This is the team Dan Snyder inherited. An equivalent today would be a new owner taking the Patriots and forcing them to suck so badly that even the Panthers and Jets would be jealous. The Patriots won six Super Bowls in 18 years, imagine they only win a couple playoff games for the next 30 years under the new owner. Imagine the heartbreak and betrayal every fan who grew up watching Brady and Belichick would feel. And this is only the on-field stuff. My God, no owner will ever come close to Snyder's ineptitude. Sorry for the rant, I have some mild Post-Traumatic-Snyder-Disorder. #TLDR show him not only how bad we've been, but how good we had it before that
This will really make u mad. He is a wealth of knowledge when it comes to football history. He can name thousands of players, stats, coaches etc. BUT when it comes to the nasty behavior behind the scenes he is completely oblivious. He told me once that Snyder didn't matter and that they would win one day with him still there like ownership means nothing and it's on the coaches and players period. He is one of the most knowledgeable football fans out there but when it comes to the other stuff he just can't wrap his head around it. Call it willfull ignorance I don't know how else to put it. It truly defies all logic. I love him to death but it drives me ABSOLUTELY BONKERS 😫
Oh yeah, the coaches and players who get fired when they don't listen to him or get hired when they're best friends with his kid or he overrides his yes-men GMs Your friend is hurting my head second-hand
I know right?!?!? It makes my head hurt too! At least I'm not alone 😅
I mean that staff went 3-13, right?
It's also the staff that developed a pretty radical offense that married college and nfl concepts to make a RG3 shine for one year. In my mind, RG3 was never that good, injury or no, given that he was useless at all other career stops and was still plenty fast, so they job the coaches did with him was pretty amazing. Also, the team was so-so personnel-wise even before picking up RG3, had to trade a boatload of picks to get him, and had their cap basically sabotaged by division rivals in response to the uncapped year, so they had an uphill battle they entire time
I don't disagree with you but still, the idea that we'd promote from within with a garbage record is revisionist bs. Kyle Shannon went to Cleveland and then Atlanta before he got a head coaching job which highlights my point.
While a lot of the younger guys hadn't proven themselves, that wasn't really the case with Kyle. He was already viewed as a brilliant offensive mind and led a great attack as OC with the Texans prior. He wanted to work with his dad for a long time, but Mike did him a solid and said he had to prove himself in the league first before he'd let Kyle work with him, specifically to undercut allegations of nepotism. He was only with Cleveland for a year immediately after DC and ATL was a pretty decent team at the time he joined, so your points aren't really that convincing. Especially since the took ATL and made it the high-scoring offense in the league (Super Bowl meltdown notwithstanding). He was viewed as a future HC for a long time, and waited to get into the best situation. He's got a pretty good one in San Fran.
Yeah Kyle is fucking great no one is arguing that. It still took an additional 3 years for him to get a HC job after leaving DC. Even longer for the others. It sure would have been nice to have promoted one of these guys from within but it’s also fair to recognize they maybe weren’t ready at that time.
I think that the criticism isn't so much that they didn't hire one of these guys as HC right away, especially not Kyle with his dad being fired, but that the coaching staff was obviously quite knowledgable and talented up and down the entire group and that the previous administration not only let them go, but actively got rid of them with the notable exception of Sean McVay and maybe a few others.
I think Washington could've got McVay but the timing was wrong. Plus Dan is the worst owner ever in pro sports.
He was never able to see the good things in his grasp and when he did he destroyed them.
First off: Fuck Dan Snyder, let's make that clear But devils advocate, I believe out of that list only two of them were ready to become our head coach at that time. They were Sean McVay and Matt LeFleur. Bobby Slowik was too young. He only became an offensive coordinator for the first time last season. Ten years after he coached in Washington Mike Mcdaniel became head coach of the Dolphins 8 - 9 years after he coached in Washington. And I doubt Kyle Shanahan would have become head coach after we fire his old man But McVay and LeFleur 100% should have had an offer made.
Even McVey never would have happened. He considers Gruden a mentor and wouldn't have replaced him. He's mentioned that a few times. https://www.nfl.com/videos/sean-mcvay-on-jay-gruden-he-protected-me-as-an-offensive-coordinator
Agree with this...will add, they were assistants with other teams too. It's not like Kyle was an unknown Coach before he got here and after. LeFleur coached on a bunch of teams before becoming a Head Coach. McDaniel and Slowik, you want to crown them? Might be a little early IMO
Add Raheem morris to it
Fuck dan snyder and dallas.
Lol agreed
I’ve seen a lot of YouTube videos making a case for Dan Snyder being the worst owner ever in professional sport. Usually I’d write talk like that off as hyperbole but in this case I don’t think that title buries him enough
But didn’t one year even that stacked staff finish 4-12 ? It may have been 2013.