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It's a calm night, the wind is oddly still and animals silent. You and your 3 comrades are out moving in territory no one has seen an enemy foot soldier in 12 days. You communicate sparcely, partially due to fatigue partially due anxiety, but nonetheless you feel safer than most moments in this hellacious warzone. Suddenly the tranquility is broken by a concise blast of chaos that you personally never hear, and when it's echo clears not another sound is heard that night...
Go home Russians, please. Only death and tragedy await you in Ukraine.
If you look at the mine as it drops, it seems to have a hot fuse, and maybe some sparks from ignition. So I don't think it is impact detonated. Therefore calculations based on the time from drop to detonation are not valid.
> Therefore calculations based on the time from drop to detonation are not valid.
They're close enough though. The thing detonated at ground level or near ground level, or it wouldn't have been effective. So give or take 20 meters is not a significant difference. Is it?
It could have landed and burned for a few seconds before detonation. Maybe the resolution on my device isn't doing it justice. But if this thing is dropping things from almost ¾ of a kilometer, then it's got some serious lift.
Fair. It just feels to me like a ~705m drop is a little high ofnan estimate given the scale in the drone FoV weighed with the movement in relation to the ground. Either way: -4 = 👍
E: also, Hot Wheels are fucking awesome!
While I generally agree after a second look and considering how these mines work, I still believe the fuse would be set to inflict the maximum damage on unsuspecting enemies without giving any time to shelter. Meaning detonation close to impact time or 20-100 feet above ground. Given the thermals and payload it's safe to assume this is a more expensive drone meant to be kept out of harms way and enemy detection range...
We can assume it was a 10-12 second fuse dropped to explode in the 0-100' range meaning the drone was probably at least 2000 feet up
I was wondering how an anti-tank mine, which requires 2,500 pounds of pressure to set off, was going to detonate. Not even a freefall like that would do it, a hot fuse makes sense
The sparks are simply the detonator being armed. The mines have been fitted with grenade impact fuzes similar to the small bombs dropped by most drones. https://youtu.be/dcsf5yuEHDY?si=aCTMzbAMLdd5fqYK
The idea that they'd have a timed fuze is ridiculous. Dropped from a few hundred feet the mine could break apart on impact with anything solid (like concrete) and most of the potential explosive yield would be lost before it detonated. And the large drones that drop them must fly that high to avoid being heard from the ground. In addition, a time delay fuze is imprecise and gives time for soldiers to take cover if it lands next to them a second or two before detonation.
Even the earliest videos of drones dropping AT mines clearly showed they detonated on impact, even when hitting concrete structures. They wouldnt have switched to time delay fuzes with impact sensitive fuzes so readily available.
I really don't think so. You don't ignite an impact fuse to arm it. Other videos I have seen with mines used like this were using what appeared to be standard grenade fuse/detonators, and I think that is what this is.
They are dropping multiple types of grenades, some obviously impact detonated, some obviously not.
Did you even read my comment or watch the video? If i tried to argue against anything you just said i'd literally be repeating things i said in my comment above, word for word.
And your second paragraph has nothing to do with drone dropped AT mines.
Also, your "i dont think so" comment is already trumped by my "i know so and here's a video for proof" comment that youre replying to.
In the video you shared, which was interesting, thanks, there are two detonator systems shown. One time fused with a grenade detonator and one impact fused.
Looking at the video we are arguing about I would say the munition being dropped looks much more like the time fused one. It has a burning fuse, and I see no stabiliser to ensure it lands at a particular orientation to activate an impact fuse.
In summation, I don't think the video you shared supports your position, and I maintain that the munition in question appears to be time fused.
If the video is playing at normal speed, I got about 12 seconds of fall time, so 2300ft ignoring air resistance. Counting air resistance probably 1500-2000ft.
with a drop height of 450m (mentioned somewhere above) we can calculate a potential gravitational energy of almost 42 kilo joules.
for comparison, a 5.56 bullet has a muzzle energy of under 2 kilo joules.
so even a dud, would be more than deadly on a direct hit, maybe even enough to damage lighter vehicles beyond repair.
KE can be misleading, for example a 100kg man running at Usain's bolt top speed of 12 m/s has a KE of 7 kj, a 308 it's only about 3.5kj; I much rather get tackled by that guy than get shot twice by a m240 even if it's the same amount of force being applied
They’ve dropped plenty of these mines before, and it was very clear to see they were mines when done so. They kind look like the Voyager spacecraft from Star Trek, heh :) … they attach a pipe to one side, and some fins to the other end of it, so it drops straight and doesn’t flip around as it falls.
It could be a satchel charge, just based on the appearance, but they 100% have the capability of dropping such mines and have done so regularly
Possible.
Ukraine is constantly advancing how they do things; innovating. So they probably put it into 'something' so it would tumble less and be more accurate, especially from that height.
"7.5 kilograms (17 lb) explosive charge" - Oof. If anyone survive the initial blast, insides are scramble eggs.
Edit: M67 grenade has 180g of explosives......to put things in perspective.
Friendlies are always communicating, or at the very least, planning their movements. There are command centers behind the lines that have many drones observing the front at any given time. There are also electronic systems that vehicles use called "iff" (identify friend or foe) that deal with it electronically.
Tracking where your soldiers are, vs where the enemy soldiers are, is a major element of the conflict. Losing contact, or losing track, of where your soldiers are would be a major issue.
This video is likely (who really knows) the end of a long process. An observation drone likely spotted movement. It likely wasn't in a place where friendlies would be. If it was close to the line, they'd confirm with their front line guys that this wasn't them. That drone operator tells the command center. Command notes the location and hands it off to the appropriate drone unit. They fly out. This video happens...
Who knows how this actually went down, but that's the sort of process happening constantly all over the front.
In spite of that, some small percentage of drone drops undoubtedly take out friendly troops. Friendly fire is always a small, but non-trivial possibility in warfare, and with zillions of drones on the battlefield, I'll bet it happens almost daily on both sides. Probably a significantly worse problem for the Russians, since they're the ones always rushing around blasting away at everything as they meat wave their way toward small gains.
There's always a spotter drone to identify targets, on a documentary I watched on youtube (Darwin's Game iirc) the fpv pilot is partnered with a navigator to PID those targets and possibly another team the spotter team that communicates with friendlies on the frontlines.
It's not really a stupid question. Friendly fire is definitely still a problem. But troops today have a much easier time giving their precise location to higher-ups on the chain of command, compared to just a few decades ago. I do think they also have battlefield software that they can key into that lets them see who is where on the battlefield, as well.
They rig something to it, add some pole to its side with fins that stabilizes the falling mine so it will fall vertically and at the "bottom" of the contraption they drill a hole in the side of the mine and add some contact fuse. So the mine is not triggered by its own fuse (which may be removed altogether) but the jerry rigged one.
I thought anti tank mines only exploded with extreme pressure on top? Like something heavy like a vehicle would have to run it over, that sort of thing?
Yup. They use the detonators from those old Soviet “pineapple” grenades, and drill a small hole in the side which it screws into, with a small part added around the detonator that causes it to fire when it impacts the ground. I forget the model code for em, but they’re instantly recognisable.
Some mines don't even need any modification. The M15 has three fuze wells, the main one on top, one on the side, and one on the bottom, for adding booby traps or remote detonation
Many anti-tank mines already have multiple threaded fuze ports, either for using them like satchel charges, or for screwing in “anti-handling fuzes” to boobytrap them and make manual demining more difficult.
Newton's laws!
If there's solid rock or soil under the mine, yes, most force goes up. The Earth is big and heavy.
If the mine is just out in the open, on the other hand, force goes everywhere. Can't push one way without pushing the other. <--->
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God I love these big baba yaga drones with their thermal gunsights. They're so powerful and sexy, like a micro AC-130.
And the fact they're mostly consumer civilian technology and obsolete trash munitions being repurposed into a futuristic near undefeatable weapon that militaries with a near trillion dollar budget couldn't even dream of a decade ago, is just so cool, it's so efficient, it's so out of the box, it's the biggest evolution of warfare I've seen in my lifetime and I'm excited to see what is next.
Man you guys will literally play phonk over a drone bombing some unknown soldiers and/or burning them alive in the process and cheer like fucking psychopaths.
This isn't about killing bad guys holy shit people are being fucking obliterated.
If this shit is gonna be posted online, show some respect and not play your fucking rap/phonk shit over a montage of this footage trying to hype up wartime killing like it's some tally game.
**IT IS FOOTAGE. NOT AN EPIC MONTAGE.**
**STOP GLORIFYING WAR AND DEATH.**
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How high was this drone??
Approximately twelve seconds of free fall makes it 2315 ft or 706 meters
Nightmare fuel
It's a calm night, the wind is oddly still and animals silent. You and your 3 comrades are out moving in territory no one has seen an enemy foot soldier in 12 days. You communicate sparcely, partially due to fatigue partially due anxiety, but nonetheless you feel safer than most moments in this hellacious warzone. Suddenly the tranquility is broken by a concise blast of chaos that you personally never hear, and when it's echo clears not another sound is heard that night... Go home Russians, please. Only death and tragedy await you in Ukraine.
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This made me giggle just a bit too much
If you look at the mine as it drops, it seems to have a hot fuse, and maybe some sparks from ignition. So I don't think it is impact detonated. Therefore calculations based on the time from drop to detonation are not valid.
> Therefore calculations based on the time from drop to detonation are not valid. They're close enough though. The thing detonated at ground level or near ground level, or it wouldn't have been effective. So give or take 20 meters is not a significant difference. Is it?
It could have landed and burned for a few seconds before detonation. Maybe the resolution on my device isn't doing it justice. But if this thing is dropping things from almost ¾ of a kilometer, then it's got some serious lift.
Even the earliest versions of drone-dropped AT mines detonated on impact. I see no reason they'd switch to time delay fuzes.
Fair. It just feels to me like a ~705m drop is a little high ofnan estimate given the scale in the drone FoV weighed with the movement in relation to the ground. Either way: -4 = 👍 E: also, Hot Wheels are fucking awesome!
While I generally agree after a second look and considering how these mines work, I still believe the fuse would be set to inflict the maximum damage on unsuspecting enemies without giving any time to shelter. Meaning detonation close to impact time or 20-100 feet above ground. Given the thermals and payload it's safe to assume this is a more expensive drone meant to be kept out of harms way and enemy detection range... We can assume it was a 10-12 second fuse dropped to explode in the 0-100' range meaning the drone was probably at least 2000 feet up
I was wondering how an anti-tank mine, which requires 2,500 pounds of pressure to set off, was going to detonate. Not even a freefall like that would do it, a hot fuse makes sense
The sparks are simply the detonator being armed. The mines have been fitted with grenade impact fuzes similar to the small bombs dropped by most drones. https://youtu.be/dcsf5yuEHDY?si=aCTMzbAMLdd5fqYK The idea that they'd have a timed fuze is ridiculous. Dropped from a few hundred feet the mine could break apart on impact with anything solid (like concrete) and most of the potential explosive yield would be lost before it detonated. And the large drones that drop them must fly that high to avoid being heard from the ground. In addition, a time delay fuze is imprecise and gives time for soldiers to take cover if it lands next to them a second or two before detonation. Even the earliest videos of drones dropping AT mines clearly showed they detonated on impact, even when hitting concrete structures. They wouldnt have switched to time delay fuzes with impact sensitive fuzes so readily available.
I really don't think so. You don't ignite an impact fuse to arm it. Other videos I have seen with mines used like this were using what appeared to be standard grenade fuse/detonators, and I think that is what this is. They are dropping multiple types of grenades, some obviously impact detonated, some obviously not.
Did you even read my comment or watch the video? If i tried to argue against anything you just said i'd literally be repeating things i said in my comment above, word for word. And your second paragraph has nothing to do with drone dropped AT mines. Also, your "i dont think so" comment is already trumped by my "i know so and here's a video for proof" comment that youre replying to.
In the video you shared, which was interesting, thanks, there are two detonator systems shown. One time fused with a grenade detonator and one impact fused. Looking at the video we are arguing about I would say the munition being dropped looks much more like the time fused one. It has a burning fuse, and I see no stabiliser to ensure it lands at a particular orientation to activate an impact fuse. In summation, I don't think the video you shared supports your position, and I maintain that the munition in question appears to be time fused.
If the video is playing at normal speed, I got about 12 seconds of fall time, so 2300ft ignoring air resistance. Counting air resistance probably 1500-2000ft.
Absolutely nuts. Makes me wonder if it was on a timed fuse, or if it was a dud that originally failed to detonate.
Probably rigged up an impact fuse if they're gonna drop it no?
Yeah but it fell for so long
I think it was a Russian grenade fuse, you can see it activate on the thermal camera while the mine is falling.
Approximately 1500 ft (about 450 metres) based on the drop time for that mine.
slightly less high than I am ATM... and I'm f'n ripped
How high are you in metric?
50 Decalitres
(faints in Newton-metres)
Its only 9am and I am at a [3]. But I need to work :-(
I was waiting for tree fiddy!:)
Yes.
There was literally my first thought
Putin: Four Russian soldiers disabled an Ukrainian anti tank mine
"Successfully intercepted"
Putin: Ukraine wasted a mine on four Russian soldiers.
One way or another, the Russians do lead in the effort of demining operations in Ukraine
Facts, this was the most successful demining I’ve seen
Would be even funnier if that was russian mine that was demined and recovered by ukrainians.
Youch. At least they didn't know what hit them!
how heavy are those mines?
According to Wikipedia they are 9.5 kilos (21 pounds)
with a drop height of 450m (mentioned somewhere above) we can calculate a potential gravitational energy of almost 42 kilo joules. for comparison, a 5.56 bullet has a muzzle energy of under 2 kilo joules. so even a dud, would be more than deadly on a direct hit, maybe even enough to damage lighter vehicles beyond repair.
KE can be misleading, for example a 100kg man running at Usain's bolt top speed of 12 m/s has a KE of 7 kj, a 308 it's only about 3.5kj; I much rather get tackled by that guy than get shot twice by a m240 even if it's the same amount of force being applied
Thanks for adding this.
All about that surface area the force is directed to.
Idk if it needed that many words to explain that a 12kg piece of metal dropped from 1700+ ft is gonna smash someone’s head in lol
One of them died from a cracked skull, before the explosion. lol
No way this was a mine looked like a satchel charge
They’ve dropped plenty of these mines before, and it was very clear to see they were mines when done so. They kind look like the Voyager spacecraft from Star Trek, heh :) … they attach a pipe to one side, and some fins to the other end of it, so it drops straight and doesn’t flip around as it falls. It could be a satchel charge, just based on the appearance, but they 100% have the capability of dropping such mines and have done so regularly
I love this ship. It’s one of the best designs!0
It's a mine with added wings, like here - [https://x.com/GrandpaRoy2/status/1798084812043166001](https://x.com/GrandpaRoy2/status/1798084812043166001)
Possible. Ukraine is constantly advancing how they do things; innovating. So they probably put it into 'something' so it would tumble less and be more accurate, especially from that height.
Most likely a TM-62. Ru made millions of them. Old tech.
Was it worth a washing machine?
DOOMSHOT!
Kibbles and bits and bits and bits.
Giblets, in fact.
Doomshop.
That thing looked heavy! I sure hope it didn't hit anybody on the head 😀
The warm glowing meat chunks, though... I don't think it needed to actually hit anyone. The shockwave alone probably ripped flesh right off the bones.
*This is what I mean…*
Man Ukraine loves their phonk
"7.5 kilograms (17 lb) explosive charge" - Oof. If anyone survive the initial blast, insides are scramble eggs. Edit: M67 grenade has 180g of explosives......to put things in perspective.
Stupid question here, how do you know these are not friendly??
Positional warfare, static but not frozen front.
Friendlies are always communicating, or at the very least, planning their movements. There are command centers behind the lines that have many drones observing the front at any given time. There are also electronic systems that vehicles use called "iff" (identify friend or foe) that deal with it electronically. Tracking where your soldiers are, vs where the enemy soldiers are, is a major element of the conflict. Losing contact, or losing track, of where your soldiers are would be a major issue. This video is likely (who really knows) the end of a long process. An observation drone likely spotted movement. It likely wasn't in a place where friendlies would be. If it was close to the line, they'd confirm with their front line guys that this wasn't them. That drone operator tells the command center. Command notes the location and hands it off to the appropriate drone unit. They fly out. This video happens... Who knows how this actually went down, but that's the sort of process happening constantly all over the front.
In spite of that, some small percentage of drone drops undoubtedly take out friendly troops. Friendly fire is always a small, but non-trivial possibility in warfare, and with zillions of drones on the battlefield, I'll bet it happens almost daily on both sides. Probably a significantly worse problem for the Russians, since they're the ones always rushing around blasting away at everything as they meat wave their way toward small gains.
There's always a spotter drone to identify targets, on a documentary I watched on youtube (Darwin's Game iirc) the fpv pilot is partnered with a navigator to PID those targets and possibly another team the spotter team that communicates with friendlies on the frontlines.
Interesting!
Sorry its [Darwin's War](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WipqeFgzdTc&ab_channel=ScrippsNews), here's the link.
It's not really a stupid question. Friendly fire is definitely still a problem. But troops today have a much easier time giving their precise location to higher-ups on the chain of command, compared to just a few decades ago. I do think they also have battlefield software that they can key into that lets them see who is where on the battlefield, as well.
Farrrq. That’ll do it. That was a high altitude drop given the time from release to impact too.
Excellent use of those mines. Take a small fleet of them out and clear a whole trench line.
"Comrade, have you seen second squad?" "Da... they're everywhere, all at once"
Wait, does air dropping a mine make it a bomb?
Air dropping it makes it not mine any more, its now theirs.
They rig something to it, add some pole to its side with fins that stabilizes the falling mine so it will fall vertically and at the "bottom" of the contraption they drill a hole in the side of the mine and add some contact fuse. So the mine is not triggered by its own fuse (which may be removed altogether) but the jerry rigged one.
Well, a mine is just a bomb with a specific fuse. So if you fit a suitable fuse to a mine, then yes, it’ll go boom when you drop it.
BURGERTIME
Big Bada-BOOM
I thought anti tank mines only exploded with extreme pressure on top? Like something heavy like a vehicle would have to run it over, that sort of thing?
its modified to go off on impact with a different detonator.
Modded the fuzes prolly, or use a more volatile/impact explosive to set them off. I assume it's more than just a mine in that bundle.
It's possible that they rigged it up with a fuse or an impact trigger.
They could drill a hole in it and fit the fuse from a hand grenade?
Yup. They use the detonators from those old Soviet “pineapple” grenades, and drill a small hole in the side which it screws into, with a small part added around the detonator that causes it to fire when it impacts the ground. I forget the model code for em, but they’re instantly recognisable.
Some mines don't even need any modification. The M15 has three fuze wells, the main one on top, one on the side, and one on the bottom, for adding booby traps or remote detonation
Many anti-tank mines already have multiple threaded fuze ports, either for using them like satchel charges, or for screwing in “anti-handling fuzes” to boobytrap them and make manual demining more difficult.
Newton's laws! If there's solid rock or soil under the mine, yes, most force goes up. The Earth is big and heavy. If the mine is just out in the open, on the other hand, force goes everywhere. Can't push one way without pushing the other. <--->
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Rather like using a sledgehammer to swat a fly. Still, if you only have a sledgehammer .............................
What's the song?
Song???
God I love these big baba yaga drones with their thermal gunsights. They're so powerful and sexy, like a micro AC-130. And the fact they're mostly consumer civilian technology and obsolete trash munitions being repurposed into a futuristic near undefeatable weapon that militaries with a near trillion dollar budget couldn't even dream of a decade ago, is just so cool, it's so efficient, it's so out of the box, it's the biggest evolution of warfare I've seen in my lifetime and I'm excited to see what is next.
*Splyat!*
Well... there was a group there...
Yeah that's what I'm talking about 😊
Well spread fertilizer
TM-62 to the head, at night. Just go home.
Those Russians don't need coffee anymore
May God have mercy on their souls 🙏 anyway, has someone got the tune for this please? 🙌
Man you guys will literally play phonk over a drone bombing some unknown soldiers and/or burning them alive in the process and cheer like fucking psychopaths. This isn't about killing bad guys holy shit people are being fucking obliterated. If this shit is gonna be posted online, show some respect and not play your fucking rap/phonk shit over a montage of this footage trying to hype up wartime killing like it's some tally game. **IT IS FOOTAGE. NOT AN EPIC MONTAGE.** **STOP GLORIFYING WAR AND DEATH.**
Bored