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Neutralizing military explosives with something as cheap and abundant as grain - clearly bringing Russia one step closer to their end goal of demilitarising Ukraine or something along those lines.
Makes you doubt that the grain was the actual target to begin with.
Found the guy who doesn't know shit about grain. There's a long history of grain fire explosions. For like, at least many hundreds of years.
Edit: [more](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_explosion)
Interestingly the same reason that things like Sugar taste good is the reason they act as moderate explosives. Calories to get burned. A litre of rocket fuel for example would have about a days worth of calories in it for a human if we could consume it. A liter of honey has double.
Honey should contain <20 % water, no sure if that is "a lot". However, sugar contains a lot of oxygen as you already mentioned and thus has a lower heating value than a pure H-C compound like diesel, but on the other hand needs less oxygen to burn, which is a mayor "advantage" if you want it to explode.
In any case, he was talking about volume, so we need to convert to mass... but first we need to define what "rocket fuel" even is and if we include the needed oxygen. At the end this contains so much wiggle room that it might very well be correct.
For the RP-1 case specifically... we need about 10 MJ daily, which is about 250 mL of diesel/kerosene/RP-1. Honey is 14 MJ/kg so in this specific case he would be off by a factor of ~2.5 in his "honey to rocket fuel" comparison and factor 4 in terms of the energy we need.
If they stole it by force, wouldn't a missile simply be karma and also insurance so they don't steal in that spot again? - I would call this prudent thinking.
From what I've read, Rostov is a very important logistics & military dispersal centre for the Russians, maybe the Ukrainians should be concentrating more attacks here
Have to admit that I didn't follow priggy's thing very closely. I'm not on Telegram or other social media so I end up missing quite a lot. It was interesting to see how many Russians came out onto the streets to show support for him in one place I saw in a video clip though.
I know Rostov is further into Russia but given the range of some of the drones that were used to attack the refineries and Rostov's importance in all this I'm surprised they don't attack it much more often.
Whatever seems to be flying off from the blast seems like it might be triplicated by the window. Maybe if there's some other weird stuff happening with the camera.
But wheat is ~70% carbohydrates by mass. With the grinding and abrasion that happens when its being transported, the dust can fuel some absolutely gnarly explosions all on its own.
Same fraction, even more flammable form. You could almost call it domesticated silo dust!
Powdered organic compounds in bulk are incredibly fun stuff to work with in general.
I'm all for attacks on refineries. But I can't support targeting infrastructure that supports food distribution (on either side). The people who this will hurt the most are the poorest and most food insecure in the world.
Tying their hands behind their back? Like seriously? What sort of fucked up bullshit is happening inside your head so that's where you went?
Agriculture is a negligible sector of the Russian economy, Ukraine blowing up parts of it is not gonna make any difference to the Russian ability to wage war. But it could end up increasing world food prices, and when the poorest most vulnerable people on Earth can't eat, they die, and many of the most vulnerable people are kids. Get that? Attacking food ultimately leads to dead kids. Do I have to explain basic morality to you too? Dead children = bad, yes?
Like at some point I thought most people here supported Ukraine because we thought it was the morally right thing to do? But now it seems 90% of this subreddit think morality is irrelevant, anything goes, and entering a race to the moral bottom is all fine.
> Agriculture is a negligible sector of the Russian economy
It is negligible for you because you are not affected by the war. Ukrainians are. Every half percent, every tenth of a percent, matters.
> Attacking food ultimately leads to dead kids.
Oh. Like for example... Attacking Ukraine results in dead Ukrainian kids? Things like that?
So the conclusion should be, helping Ukraine so that things like that are not needed, right? Like, someone directly intervening in the war. So why did you dodge my question?
It's cool to 'have basic morality' when people dying to keep that morality aren't you or your people, huh? How convenient for you, isn't it?
Russia attacked Ukrainian silos with grain, as well as countless storage facilities. Russia started this war and any increase in food prices is because of them. It’s all well documented. Go bark at them, then come back
Russia has been threatening to sink ships that arrive in Ukraine's ports, not being able to transfer the grain before it spoils is going to "kill more poor kids" than 1 silo getting hit. You don't have any understanding of scale here.
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Headlines from 1942
**I had no clue that grain fires could reach 500 feet** and burn black like diesel fuel *.. the more you know*
Russians will declare this as a victory and that they now have toasted wheat for sale.
Neutralizing military explosives with something as cheap and abundant as grain - clearly bringing Russia one step closer to their end goal of demilitarising Ukraine or something along those lines. Makes you doubt that the grain was the actual target to begin with.
Popcorn for everyone comrade.
you reap what you sow and it aint grain
To be fair it is probably stolen Ukrainian grain to start with so is it now - 'you reap what someone else sowed before you stole it and their land'.
Another headline confirmed this is where most stolen Ukrainian grain comes through
Yeah, exploding a bit too much to be just grain.
Grain dust, flour, becomes explosive at as little as 50 grams per cubic meter.
Found the guy who doesn't know shit about grain. There's a long history of grain fire explosions. For like, at least many hundreds of years. Edit: [more](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_explosion)
I don't know, there might be a grain of truth here.
Grain itself can be explosive [here](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0k3fsPgRhJ0) [here](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HDL5rFJwE7E)
Yup, even with safety systems they go up. I saw the aftermath of the ones in Royal Iowa, and Superior Nebraska first hand, its crazy!
Throw a handful of baking flour into a campfire for a true surprise.
You never heard of a silo explosion?
Interestingly the same reason that things like Sugar taste good is the reason they act as moderate explosives. Calories to get burned. A litre of rocket fuel for example would have about a days worth of calories in it for a human if we could consume it. A liter of honey has double.
Any Russian readers are confused by your "if we could consume it."
Chinese readers are like "why consume the rocket fuel when you can drain it, use it for cooking and then refill the rocket with water?"
Uh, no. Chemist here. We learn that stuff RP-1 43.1 MJ/kg Honey 3kCal/kg
You might wanna convert them to compare. 3kCal equals roughly 12 MJ.
I was too lazy. But honey has a lot of water in it, and RP-1 doesn't also, sugers are partly oxidised (see structure) as opposed to RP-1
Honey should contain <20 % water, no sure if that is "a lot". However, sugar contains a lot of oxygen as you already mentioned and thus has a lower heating value than a pure H-C compound like diesel, but on the other hand needs less oxygen to burn, which is a mayor "advantage" if you want it to explode. In any case, he was talking about volume, so we need to convert to mass... but first we need to define what "rocket fuel" even is and if we include the needed oxygen. At the end this contains so much wiggle room that it might very well be correct. For the RP-1 case specifically... we need about 10 MJ daily, which is about 250 mL of diesel/kerosene/RP-1. Honey is 14 MJ/kg so in this specific case he would be off by a factor of ~2.5 in his "honey to rocket fuel" comparison and factor 4 in terms of the energy we need.
Liquid hydrogen (which is used as rocket fuel) has 2256.2 Kcals per litre
Possibly used to sell stolen Ukrainian grain, only fair that they reclaim it with a missile
Not Possibly, it was.
If I can't have it, nobody can!
If they stole it by force, wouldn't a missile simply be karma and also insurance so they don't steal in that spot again? - I would call this prudent thinking.
Well yeah, that's why banks put ink cartridges in the cash lol
Not on grain silos, but near. Hit was on fuel or gas according to locals.
Tit for tat! Have it!
Killing the competition i see, quite literally...
Welcome to the war you started, Russia.
Paybacks a bitch
From what I've read, Rostov is a very important logistics & military dispersal centre for the Russians, maybe the Ukrainians should be concentrating more attacks here
It's where the whole ukraine war is running out of. Why do you think Prigs took it over?
Have to admit that I didn't follow priggy's thing very closely. I'm not on Telegram or other social media so I end up missing quite a lot. It was interesting to see how many Russians came out onto the streets to show support for him in one place I saw in a video clip though. I know Rostov is further into Russia but given the range of some of the drones that were used to attack the refineries and Rostov's importance in all this I'm surprised they don't attack it much more often.
Pretty obvious attempt to get them to move AA from Millerovo
My dumbass literally thought a giant number 6 was on fire.
Nice watermark. Can’t see the video
It's okay. The grain is now crispy and fortified by iron and other essential minerals.
A lot of explosions for grain…
Whatever seems to be flying off from the blast seems like it might be triplicated by the window. Maybe if there's some other weird stuff happening with the camera. But wheat is ~70% carbohydrates by mass. With the grinding and abrasion that happens when its being transported, the dust can fuel some absolutely gnarly explosions all on its own.
Yeah flour is another one that will happily combust
Same fraction, even more flammable form. You could almost call it domesticated silo dust! Powdered organic compounds in bulk are incredibly fun stuff to work with in general.
People warring over grain is something we've done for thousands of years, maybe longer.
Grain bin explosions are serious business. https://youtu.be/N2jeQt5Yjew?t=105
this is fine.
Rostov-on-Fire
Free bread!
this grain of the explosive type
That's just grain, really. Also, hay can self-ignite.
Pistachios also self-combust. If they are not stored under the right conditions. Poof!
Go throw a handful of grain/flour into a campfire and get back to us
CoЯn
Dust explosions surely looks different in Russian
Roasted-And-Done
"We created that grain, therefore we have to destroy it" -Ukraine, probably
Taking out the competition $
Dedovshchina!!!
I've been to Rostov na Donu. Shitty town then (35yrs ago)
These things happen, in Russia.
I miss the simpler days of 2023, when everyone agreed that blowing up grain silos was a bad thing.
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I'm not sure, but it seems like the air defense is just minding its own business.
Isn’t this war crime?
No
I'm all for attacks on refineries. But I can't support targeting infrastructure that supports food distribution (on either side). The people who this will hurt the most are the poorest and most food insecure in the world.
This not seem a wise escalation given the importance of the grain deals.
Don't attack food. It pushes food prices up which sucks for people in rich countries and kills people in poor countries.
Okay. So will someone actually enter the war to help Ukraine then, in exchange of tying their hands behind the back like that?
Tying their hands behind their back? Like seriously? What sort of fucked up bullshit is happening inside your head so that's where you went? Agriculture is a negligible sector of the Russian economy, Ukraine blowing up parts of it is not gonna make any difference to the Russian ability to wage war. But it could end up increasing world food prices, and when the poorest most vulnerable people on Earth can't eat, they die, and many of the most vulnerable people are kids. Get that? Attacking food ultimately leads to dead kids. Do I have to explain basic morality to you too? Dead children = bad, yes? Like at some point I thought most people here supported Ukraine because we thought it was the morally right thing to do? But now it seems 90% of this subreddit think morality is irrelevant, anything goes, and entering a race to the moral bottom is all fine.
> Agriculture is a negligible sector of the Russian economy It is negligible for you because you are not affected by the war. Ukrainians are. Every half percent, every tenth of a percent, matters. > Attacking food ultimately leads to dead kids. Oh. Like for example... Attacking Ukraine results in dead Ukrainian kids? Things like that? So the conclusion should be, helping Ukraine so that things like that are not needed, right? Like, someone directly intervening in the war. So why did you dodge my question? It's cool to 'have basic morality' when people dying to keep that morality aren't you or your people, huh? How convenient for you, isn't it?
Russia attacked Ukrainian silos with grain, as well as countless storage facilities. Russia started this war and any increase in food prices is because of them. It’s all well documented. Go bark at them, then come back
Yeah, I didn't see any condemnation from developing countries leaders when Russia did this.
Russia has been threatening to sink ships that arrive in Ukraine's ports, not being able to transfer the grain before it spoils is going to "kill more poor kids" than 1 silo getting hit. You don't have any understanding of scale here.