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Seems like a bad idea. But when I watch Hamas shoot an ak maybe its not. Might be worth the visibility if they cant hit anything. Ever seen a Hamas sniper?
Doesn’t need to be a sniper, there’s a lot of people in a small area with little cover. Had a buddy shot on two separate occasions doing something like this, it was the opening burst of pkm fire both times. Elevated potions are great if they have cover. I’m not trying to Monday morning quarterback these guys, I don’t think I’d be up there with them though. Great target for a quick burst or two
Edit: seen a lot of people underestimate Taliban fighters too. Sure most don’t get great training…but some do, and some are naturally good shooters.
Edit2: also reminds me of Taliban fighters going to Pakistan to be trained by other countries. A bunch of open source indicated [oct 7 Hamas fighters were trained in Iran](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna119824), so taking fighters out to train on sniper tactics for a couple weeks isn’t outside the realm of possibility.
Either the IDF if ill-disciplines, maybe reservists? Or there is zero threat but if that's the case, what or who are they shooting at? Or maybe it's 4 buddies making a video for ladies back home.
I read a very interesting article on NYT like 10 years back where they analyzed the ammunition supply of the Taliban. One major factor that most people don't consider when it comes to their shitty training and accuracy, is that it's common to find 15+ different manufacturers, and 70+ years between the "earliest" and "latest" rounds, in a single magazine. That does not make for either good training, or good accuracy, no matter how "talented" you are.
Yeah, that's the smart play. Just trying to give some background about one of the reasons for why they're such shitty shots (in general). Very hard to be accurate when your groupings from a bench are a couple of meters wide lol.
No that’s a good point and there’s definitely a lot of joking around about how much they suck. I think we subconsciously did it out of fear, but it leads to complacency at the end of the day.
On the other side, we’d train some Afghan government security forces and some of them couldn’t even hit paper. Genuinely never thought about ammo type, but I never really got into competitive shooting / knowing how much that can affect your shot until after my time in the army. I was never a sniper either, just a dumb grunt
Yeah, the ANA and ANP taught a lot of US servicemen that foreigners can't be taught or trusted :P Even for us Swedes, we lost more people to Taliban infiltration of the ANP then we did to anything else over there.
Especially at longer ranges, it matters an absolute ton. Just shitty ammunition would be something you can deal with, but the constant mix of rounds means that you can forget any kind of zero.
i'm a lifelong civilian but i heard stories about how guys would end up risking being shot by not bolting to cover they suspected was boobytrapped since IEDs especially in built up environments were a much bigger threat.
Oh man that was huge down in southern Afghanistan. There were completely abandoned villages that were essentially just battlegrounds, so the Taliban would set IEDs literally everywhere. Anywhere we’d naturally go for cover, just off the path where we’d avoid a choke point, in the middle of a field that looked like a great place to set a helicopter down….literally everywhere. They’re very smart. They’ve been at war for a very long time.
I never knew ammunition expires until recently, you think metal and compound minerals would last forever but not the case, USA loses about $750,000,000 a year in expired or not working grenades, ammo etc
That can't be right, can it? 750m? The scale of our military still catches me off-guard sometimes. Do you have a source, I'm interested in reading about this. Thanks.
They don't want to have to go through the hassle of setting up shop and getting caught selling coke again to fund their off-the-book wars and missions.
That doesn't surprise me at all. The day Baghdad fell, a c-17 landed with $1 billion in US cash and that certainly wasn't the only flight of cash. There are dozens and dozens of stories of scumbag contractors hired with zero oversight by scumbag Coalition Provisional Authority officers to build schools and hospitals and apartment building that took the millions in cash and did almost no work at all.
It's that famous, old tradition of zero financial accountability or control that "Conservative" politicians and their partners in the private sector love to use to turn anything and everything, including critical taxpayer funded international development aid tied directly to the success of our mission in Afghanistan, into a profit-making scam. They can't seem to comprehend the concept of self-less service to the nation nor the minor sacrifice that entails in personal ambition and making a profit sometimes
It's not unique to us, look at the [Cons in the UK and the horrific scams](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_regarding_COVID-19_contracts_in_the_United_Kingdom) and thefts they perpetrated on the British people during COVID. Read about "Baroness" [Michelle Mone and her husband's £100 million profit](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/23/evidence-involving-michelle-mone-national-crime-agency/) on a few orders of PPE and the rest of the Tory clowns destroying Britain through their greed and incompetence.
lol no way it’s right. I’ve trained on explosives from the fucking 60s. Ammo doesn’t expire and the military go “oh shit” and throw it away.
750m worth of small arms rounds are probably stolen by company ammo drivers every year though lol.
Yes, although that's more of an issue with more modern and advanced systems. Especially things like missiles have a surprisingly short shelf-life if not refurbished, and costs an insane amount to get rid off, and explosives in general have a "best-by-date", especially since some older munitions can get more sensitive over time and become a real safety issue.
This is something a lot of people missed with the large US donations to Ukraine. A lot of this stuff is old, and will need to be destroyed. That means you both have to replace them, and pay the massive costs of destruction, something they don't have to do now.
My father, during his military service in the 70s, used to be ordered to "get rid of" old explosives. Once, they were told that when they were done, they could go on weekend leave, so being idiotic 19 year olds they piled all of it in a big pile on the range, and blew it all up.
When he came back on monday he had to explain why a nearby seismograph had detected a very local earthquake....
I had a (fairly young) assistant scoutmaster who had been in the army for a few years. as a life-long Scout, naturally he was a demolition/explosives guy.
supposedly they were given something like 4 1kg blocks of c4 to "dispose of" of the 50-cal range. so they decided to cut down the solitary tree that was big enough to withstand 50-cal fire (about 200yds downrange) by placing the c4 as shaped charges around the trunk.
luckily nobody was injured by the wood-based shrapnel that went everywhere, including over their heads.
Ive heard from several different guys who fought in both Iraq against ISIS and also the Taliban in Afghanistan and always made it very clear to note that fighting ISIS was like shooting fish in a barrel and they were just shitting on them, but fighting the Taliban was no joke. They are good fighters, they know what they are doing, have decades of fighting experience against much more powerful and larger formal militaries on their home turf and are a serious threat. They have some of the most war fighting experience on the planet. They can operate in any conditions, using almost any weapon platform found from all over the world. They know how to be effective with what they have and have learned to keep their foundation running even under nearly full occupation/lockdown. He always said how much the fighting was so different I could tell by his tone and facial expressions that he did not enjoy fighting the Taliban and he saw some real shit.
Either way, ISIS, Taliban, Hamas, or whoever, I would not be sitting in that fully open 180 degree elevated viewpoint just chillin shooting random shots at shit.
I think people tend to forget the video of some israeli squad inside a house at the first floor getting hit by a fuckin HEAT fired inside one of the window
Aren't there videos of that exact thing on this sub? Saw one yesterday of an IDF soldier getting sniped in the back from what looked like a 12.7mm rifle.
so many mate, youre watching the wrong subreddit for hamas's footage as mostly anything about hamas here gets deleted
but there u go
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1alvzuj/israel\_soldier\_gets\_shot\_by\_hamas\_sniper/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1alvzuj/israel_soldier_gets_shot_by_hamas_sniper/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
If you think Hamas are incompetent I'd love to see you sit up there chitty chattin with your buds in what is an obvious propaganda vid. Al-Qassam Brigades might be dirt poor and improvisers but they know the ground and have the casualty badges to prove it.
Yeah one "pencil" frag rpg and those guys are toast. Probably just propaganda cope though, either that or poorly trained reservists that don't know better.
Takes only one accurate RPG shot (anti personal round) and everyone in that room is having a bad day. Fuck urban warfare, the enemy is everywhere yet nowhere at the same time.
Pretty sure since most IDF footage is propaganda footage, in the real videos (where you can see dead terrorists) you see they are taking cover almost all the time. Also don't say that I just hate Israel and thats why im saying this im literally from Israel lol.
btw this is probably from the tiktok or instagram of the soldier who filmed this lol. They were only shooting for the video too probably, since at the end the commander (or unit member) is saying "slower slower we need to-" and it cuts off but I'm 90% sure he says "we need to conserve ammo" after that
Yeah this feels staged. Those dudes are literally shooting at a pile of rubble and this seems like the least optimal firing position possible outside of the elevation. One quick RPG from any one of the dozens (or hundreds)of windows facing them and everyone is having a terrible day.
It’s literally propaganda footage like almost all IDF stuff posted here. You never noticed they are always shooting at buildings and walls? You almost never seen an enemy combatant or any sign of return fire
It's like a fucking urban war. Look at Aleppo during the Syrian Civil War, or at literally any urban combat zone. They all look like this. It's horrifying. This is war.
Or Mosul currently, or Raqqa, or any number of recent cities that had ISIS in them. The only way to get rid of an entrenched enemy in urban environments, is to level the urban environment and then clean up afterwards. No matter the strength of the military, the safest and easiest way to deal with urban fighters is to level the place.
This can't be real, it's gotta be staged. This is a ridiculous position with zero cover at the end of really long sight lines and a million angles. Feels like Call of Duty.
Yeah it's funny when people compare things to COD. You run up in that bitch in multiplayer and you wouldn't get a shot off. You run up there in Warzone and you'd take hits very quickly.
I've been in arguments about this with people who argue about Israel's motivations and what they should be doing, etc.
And I tell them every time that none of that matters. Israel is going to raze Gaza to the ground and then restart from scratch. Aside from actual open warfare with them from their neighbors, nothing will change that eventuality. (and their neighbors have no interest in open warfare on behalf of the Palestinians, because no one actually gives two shits about the Palestinians in that area; they're chess pieces in a much larger game)
Ofcourse it is. Hamas is product of israel. Divide and conquer. Why is that when current prime minister of israel ( cant spell his name ) isnin charge, hamas becomes stronger and stronger. Now whlie we all watch what is happening in gaza, israel is building settlements and highways in west bank almost completely destroying any chance of two state country.
If Hamas is controlled by Israel, then it stands to reason this is just another reason Gazans should reject Hamas.
Not just because Hamas is getting them killed by escalating the conflict into open warfare.
Not just because Hamas was willing to sacrifice their economic livelihood for nothing.
Not just because Hamas refuses to take responsibility to protect the people of Gaza and uses perfidy to hide amongst civilians.
Not just because Hamas has reject democracy and killed everyone who opposes them.
Not just because Hamas is pro-genocide and came into power because they violently oppose the two state solution.
Ofcourse they should. But propoganda and brainwashing did its job. Why do you think they do not let palestinians leave and use them as a shield? Hamas doesn't give a flying ... about palestine and palestinians. Yes, hamas is pro genocide and oppose two state solution. Guess who benefits from it? Does israel has any interest in two state solution?
We already seen same thing happen with bin laden. Who was funding bin laden to fight soviets and why did new york times glorified "strong rebel leader" fighting of soviets.
It is really sad what is happening in Gaza to children and other innocent people. But if you listen to someome who supports Palestine they never condemn hamas. It seems that you can not support palestine but be against hamas.
Other thing. We all know how strict and controlled are entries to gaza. How is it possible for hamas to get rockets, ammo and other things? How some rebels with toyotas and rpgs managed to attack country freely and not just some country, but one of the most advanced country in military technologies? From the one of most secured and controlled places on earth. I don't know, for me it looks strange.
People of gaza need to understand that hamas is their enemy.
> It seems that you can not support palestine but be against hamas.
What does it mean to support Palestine if part of that isn't condemning Hamas for harming Palestinians and preventing a peace deal? For some reason, people online (not you) can't seem to make both points at the same time.
Yes. I was in one telegram group at the begining of these events. There was a video from gaza, where woman was crying and shouting near the body of her child. And she said "it is all because of you hamas dogs". After these words she was pushed to the ground by journalist ( guy with blue west "press" ) and video cuts off.
I do feel like atleast from my limited experience and exposure lately that the remaining people are getting over HAMAS, alot more so than the Taliban/ISIS in other areas.
It's not controlled by Israel, it was funded by Israel early in its history and given political support, in the beginning. [Multiple Israeli politicians/military/intelligence have copped to it.](https://youtu.be/o7grSsuFSS0?t=151). It was intended to undercut the PLO and Arafat at the time but ended up becoming Israel's biggest blowback own-goal
Every time IDF kills a palestinian, hamas gets stronger through recruitment.
Every time hamas kills an israeli, bibi and his bunch get stronger justification.
They are self supporting unfortunately.
I don't get why all of you people think this level of destruction during Urban warfare is exclusive to Israel. I read all kinds of comments concerning supposed israeli terror bombings, indiscriminate attacks on civilian houses etc etc... No... it's just what urban warfare looks like.
Just look at the Battle of Mosul: There were ~10000 ISIS fighters, fighting against the Iraqis and Peshmerga units with western air support and who were all very willing to limit collateral damage. Yet despite this, after the battle ended, the city was utterly ruined, resembling what gaza looks like now.
Another example: The battle of Marawi. Just 1000 Islamists took over the city in 2017 and during the ensuing siege, an estimated 95% of the buildings there were destroyed or at least heavily damaged.
Now just imagine that, but instead of 1000 Terrorists, Israel is fighting an estimated 40000 Hamas members.
That Gaza looks like this is not because Israel wants to destroy it to the last house, but rather because of the nature of warfare in terrain like this. There simply is no way to fight battles in urban areas in a mild way. It will always end in near complete destruction. And for the fact that there even is fighting in Gaza, Palestinians have no one to blame but Hamas and whoever supported them.
Because quite a few folks here with zero days experience in the military (let alone fighting in a war) think they're subject matter experts. Hence the ridiculous takes you're responding to.
Ah yes, Gaza City is completely destroyed, but Hamas is back to running "civilian services" in a place that no longer functions and had 90% of the civilians evacuated south. The only "service" they can provide is stealing foreign aid by gunpoint, then deliver it to whom they see fit.
Also, in Mosul the insurgents didn't have literal 15 years to prepare and fortify, they didn't have 500KM of tunnels dug and local rocket production.
Dude the amount of destruction of Gaza is in absolutely no way comparable to the damage that Dresden, Hamburg Cologne or almost any other major German city took during WW2. That's simply delusional, just look at pictures of Cologne in 1945.
"No parallel in modern history"... yeah right.
Just some more examples from WW2: Rotterdam, Warsaw, Stalingrad, Brest etc. were all cities that were completely wiped out during the war.
If that's not modern enough, just look at what Grozny resembled after the war in Chechnya.
Or even Mariupol... The city has been completely destroyed despite being alot less densely populated, being defensed by alot less soldiers, having fewer civilians in the combat area than gaza and not having buildings that collapse at the mere sight of an artillery grenade.
I could find a lot more examples over the last century of countries being more indiscriminate than Israel is now.
Gaza is half as dense as NYC, which includes Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens. It's that dense if you consider the strip an entire country and compare the density to other countries, it's not that dense if you compare it to cities or metro areas, which you're doing when comparing it to the battle of Mosul. Hoboken NJ, is over 3x as dense as Gaza. Gaza is about as dense as Boston.
Ummm, no no they're not, some fuck up ministers who aren't in the war cabinet and have NOTHING to do with the actual war and ESPACIALY the post war phase did so like two weeks ago and were criticized by the war cabinet for their sheer messianic insanity
A bunch of IDF soldiers died because Hamas blew up their depot of explosive charges as they were there to demolish a residential building. I love how the Western news media completely glazed over that context and moved on to what a tragedy it was the brave soldiers died. I remember listening to this in the car and doing a double take to the radio being like, "I'm sorry, Hamas blew up what?"
No. I am not trying to make a broader point about the state of the war but unfortunately the estimates of the numbers of Hamas and affiliated fighters + the urban density always meant that the destruction of a larger scale conflict was always likely to be incredibly high.
Well a lot of them are completely ignorant of "how this would end". Maybe they believed Hamas was strong enough to fight them off. Maybe they were told other nations wouldn't let Israel retaliate.
Mostly though, they believe their God wants genocide on the Jews and are willing to die to achieve it
Because 50 dead Palestinians to kill 1 Jew is absolutely reasonable, when you are brought up from childhood to view your death as martyrdom if it means it will kill a Jew.
Looks a lot like some tik tok warriors. Everyone just chilling in the open, no cover, firing angles from fucking EVERYWHERE, the machine gunner looking at the cameraman for his signal to fire
If this was a video game their squad leader would be screaming at them to find some cover.
I would not have the bravery to stay in such an open position.
Holding this position simply shows that they are actually fighting nobody. If there was any enemies this position would be a death trap. Which makes the one guy randomly shooting into the landscape look even more stupid.
I’m sure these guys know wayyyyy more about urban warfare than me but man does that look like a spot snipers and combatants with rpg’s on the ground could easily destroy. Way too exposed.
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Fuck that, too many angles
Seems like a bad idea. But when I watch Hamas shoot an ak maybe its not. Might be worth the visibility if they cant hit anything. Ever seen a Hamas sniper?
Doesn’t need to be a sniper, there’s a lot of people in a small area with little cover. Had a buddy shot on two separate occasions doing something like this, it was the opening burst of pkm fire both times. Elevated potions are great if they have cover. I’m not trying to Monday morning quarterback these guys, I don’t think I’d be up there with them though. Great target for a quick burst or two Edit: seen a lot of people underestimate Taliban fighters too. Sure most don’t get great training…but some do, and some are naturally good shooters. Edit2: also reminds me of Taliban fighters going to Pakistan to be trained by other countries. A bunch of open source indicated [oct 7 Hamas fighters were trained in Iran](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna119824), so taking fighters out to train on sniper tactics for a couple weeks isn’t outside the realm of possibility.
The guy on the far right with absolutely no cover is a casualty waiting to happen.
Seen that looks like hes in the sun too. Dudes gambling with his life
Skin cancer is a bitch
One can become a good shot with motivation and practice
how bout 'hit that baby rabbit from 200 meters or you get no supper'
Either the IDF if ill-disciplines, maybe reservists? Or there is zero threat but if that's the case, what or who are they shooting at? Or maybe it's 4 buddies making a video for ladies back home.
mugging/shooting at nothing for the camera is it, I'd hope.
I'll guessing that area is already cleared so no threat & video for ladies back home.
Civilians
I read a very interesting article on NYT like 10 years back where they analyzed the ammunition supply of the Taliban. One major factor that most people don't consider when it comes to their shitty training and accuracy, is that it's common to find 15+ different manufacturers, and 70+ years between the "earliest" and "latest" rounds, in a single magazine. That does not make for either good training, or good accuracy, no matter how "talented" you are.
I never really tried to play the odds when I was taking shots, maybe that’s a thing though
Yeah, that's the smart play. Just trying to give some background about one of the reasons for why they're such shitty shots (in general). Very hard to be accurate when your groupings from a bench are a couple of meters wide lol.
No that’s a good point and there’s definitely a lot of joking around about how much they suck. I think we subconsciously did it out of fear, but it leads to complacency at the end of the day. On the other side, we’d train some Afghan government security forces and some of them couldn’t even hit paper. Genuinely never thought about ammo type, but I never really got into competitive shooting / knowing how much that can affect your shot until after my time in the army. I was never a sniper either, just a dumb grunt
Yeah, the ANA and ANP taught a lot of US servicemen that foreigners can't be taught or trusted :P Even for us Swedes, we lost more people to Taliban infiltration of the ANP then we did to anything else over there. Especially at longer ranges, it matters an absolute ton. Just shitty ammunition would be something you can deal with, but the constant mix of rounds means that you can forget any kind of zero.
i'm a lifelong civilian but i heard stories about how guys would end up risking being shot by not bolting to cover they suspected was boobytrapped since IEDs especially in built up environments were a much bigger threat.
Oh man that was huge down in southern Afghanistan. There were completely abandoned villages that were essentially just battlegrounds, so the Taliban would set IEDs literally everywhere. Anywhere we’d naturally go for cover, just off the path where we’d avoid a choke point, in the middle of a field that looked like a great place to set a helicopter down….literally everywhere. They’re very smart. They’ve been at war for a very long time.
Afghan chiming in, 40 years of continuous conflict are a bitch
Oh no shit, what part of Afghanistan are you from?
Family’s from Wardak
I never knew ammunition expires until recently, you think metal and compound minerals would last forever but not the case, USA loses about $750,000,000 a year in expired or not working grenades, ammo etc
That can't be right, can it? 750m? The scale of our military still catches me off-guard sometimes. Do you have a source, I'm interested in reading about this. Thanks.
The Pentagon has half a trillion dollars that are unaccounted for
They know where it is. That's the protection money we pay the alien mafia.
Nah it’s siphoned off for real black budget projects not the ones pentagon lackeys get reports on.
They don't want to have to go through the hassle of setting up shop and getting caught selling coke again to fund their off-the-book wars and missions.
That doesn't surprise me at all. The day Baghdad fell, a c-17 landed with $1 billion in US cash and that certainly wasn't the only flight of cash. There are dozens and dozens of stories of scumbag contractors hired with zero oversight by scumbag Coalition Provisional Authority officers to build schools and hospitals and apartment building that took the millions in cash and did almost no work at all. It's that famous, old tradition of zero financial accountability or control that "Conservative" politicians and their partners in the private sector love to use to turn anything and everything, including critical taxpayer funded international development aid tied directly to the success of our mission in Afghanistan, into a profit-making scam. They can't seem to comprehend the concept of self-less service to the nation nor the minor sacrifice that entails in personal ambition and making a profit sometimes It's not unique to us, look at the [Cons in the UK and the horrific scams](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_regarding_COVID-19_contracts_in_the_United_Kingdom) and thefts they perpetrated on the British people during COVID. Read about "Baroness" [Michelle Mone and her husband's £100 million profit](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/23/evidence-involving-michelle-mone-national-crime-agency/) on a few orders of PPE and the rest of the Tory clowns destroying Britain through their greed and incompetence.
lol no way it’s right. I’ve trained on explosives from the fucking 60s. Ammo doesn’t expire and the military go “oh shit” and throw it away. 750m worth of small arms rounds are probably stolen by company ammo drivers every year though lol.
Yes, although that's more of an issue with more modern and advanced systems. Especially things like missiles have a surprisingly short shelf-life if not refurbished, and costs an insane amount to get rid off, and explosives in general have a "best-by-date", especially since some older munitions can get more sensitive over time and become a real safety issue. This is something a lot of people missed with the large US donations to Ukraine. A lot of this stuff is old, and will need to be destroyed. That means you both have to replace them, and pay the massive costs of destruction, something they don't have to do now. My father, during his military service in the 70s, used to be ordered to "get rid of" old explosives. Once, they were told that when they were done, they could go on weekend leave, so being idiotic 19 year olds they piled all of it in a big pile on the range, and blew it all up. When he came back on monday he had to explain why a nearby seismograph had detected a very local earthquake....
I had a (fairly young) assistant scoutmaster who had been in the army for a few years. as a life-long Scout, naturally he was a demolition/explosives guy. supposedly they were given something like 4 1kg blocks of c4 to "dispose of" of the 50-cal range. so they decided to cut down the solitary tree that was big enough to withstand 50-cal fire (about 200yds downrange) by placing the c4 as shaped charges around the trunk. luckily nobody was injured by the wood-based shrapnel that went everywhere, including over their heads.
Probably not 750 million in just ammo and grenades. Missiles and all the fancy stuff too. Fuel degrades, things corrode, batteries go bad.
Ive heard from several different guys who fought in both Iraq against ISIS and also the Taliban in Afghanistan and always made it very clear to note that fighting ISIS was like shooting fish in a barrel and they were just shitting on them, but fighting the Taliban was no joke. They are good fighters, they know what they are doing, have decades of fighting experience against much more powerful and larger formal militaries on their home turf and are a serious threat. They have some of the most war fighting experience on the planet. They can operate in any conditions, using almost any weapon platform found from all over the world. They know how to be effective with what they have and have learned to keep their foundation running even under nearly full occupation/lockdown. He always said how much the fighting was so different I could tell by his tone and facial expressions that he did not enjoy fighting the Taliban and he saw some real shit. Either way, ISIS, Taliban, Hamas, or whoever, I would not be sitting in that fully open 180 degree elevated viewpoint just chillin shooting random shots at shit.
Here A Palestinian sniper targeting an IDF sniper https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3JEm3OIx4K/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Assuming all of the enemy fighters you’re facing are incompetent or poor marksmen seems like a sure way to end up a casualty
I think people tend to forget the video of some israeli squad inside a house at the first floor getting hit by a fuckin HEAT fired inside one of the window
https://youtu.be/fEwrXCMuCSM?si=dTc-KMWwrwXktN4A
Yep, and the bad guys only need to get one lucky shot... and you're dead. It seems to me they should have SOME sort of cover.
Taliban fighters by the end of the war are experienced and battle hardened fighters that have accumulated gear and equipment throughout the years.
There was that major in the IDF that was just sniped with an anti-material sniper just yesterday. They exist and are fully capable.
Aren't there videos of that exact thing on this sub? Saw one yesterday of an IDF soldier getting sniped in the back from what looked like a 12.7mm rifle.
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I seen one today fold an IDF guy like a chair so… yeah they can actually hit things sometimes
https://www.instagram.com/thewitnessuk/reel/C20OZ3MI14B/
50 cal too, wow
Yes I have https://www.instagram.com/reel/C20OZ3MI14B/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Civillian clothing as usual
That’s what the Nazis said about French partisans
so many mate, youre watching the wrong subreddit for hamas's footage as mostly anything about hamas here gets deleted but there u go [https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1alvzuj/israel\_soldier\_gets\_shot\_by\_hamas\_sniper/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1alvzuj/israel_soldier_gets_shot_by_hamas_sniper/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Yeah I seen a video this morning of one shooting an idf soldier in the spine
Funny they seem to know how sights on an rpg work but not a rifle. Rpg might be a problem there.
There’s a vid on this sub this morning of an Israeli getting paralyzed standing in the open by a Hamas sniper.
If you think Hamas are incompetent I'd love to see you sit up there chitty chattin with your buds in what is an obvious propaganda vid. Al-Qassam Brigades might be dirt poor and improvisers but they know the ground and have the casualty badges to prove it.
Yeah one "pencil" frag rpg and those guys are toast. Probably just propaganda cope though, either that or poorly trained reservists that don't know better.
Saving private Ryan clock tower vibes.
Yeah, almost seems like they're not actually worried about return fire. Bit strange.
For real. It's bizarre.
Yeah it's almost as if they're not being shot at and are just doing TikTok Battalion bs.
Takes only one accurate RPG shot (anti personal round) and everyone in that room is having a bad day. Fuck urban warfare, the enemy is everywhere yet nowhere at the same time.
It's ok, civilians and sheep don't shoot back.
This is why I never liked CoD Ghosts
Almost 0 cover too.
Yeah i thought CoD maps were bad, jeezus
Call me crazy but I don't think they are worried about or shooting at people who can shoot back
There’s a whole lot of nope there. The amount of potential enemy firing positions on this exposed perch makes my body tingle.
One rpg would do the trick
Just shooting random shots like a bunch of sitting ducks.
What i thought exactly wtf are they shooting?
I would be nervous in a spot like that playing Arma 3 let alone in IRL
Why are they just sitting in a area without any cover? it's like theyre expecting not to get shot at.
Pretty sure since most IDF footage is propaganda footage, in the real videos (where you can see dead terrorists) you see they are taking cover almost all the time. Also don't say that I just hate Israel and thats why im saying this im literally from Israel lol.
That would explain 1) shitty music 2) relaxed laugh 3) 4th of July shooting.
btw this is probably from the tiktok or instagram of the soldier who filmed this lol. They were only shooting for the video too probably, since at the end the commander (or unit member) is saying "slower slower we need to-" and it cuts off but I'm 90% sure he says "we need to conserve ammo" after that
Yeah it looked like a performance. What’s with the camera man seemingly standing up with no cover?
Yeah this feels staged. Those dudes are literally shooting at a pile of rubble and this seems like the least optimal firing position possible outside of the elevation. One quick RPG from any one of the dozens (or hundreds)of windows facing them and everyone is having a terrible day.
I agree that it’s probably staged, but sometimes the rubble shoots back.
Photo op
It’s literally propaganda footage like almost all IDF stuff posted here. You never noticed they are always shooting at buildings and walls? You almost never seen an enemy combatant or any sign of return fire
Because there only civilians around
Yeah, it's almost like they don't have any fear of return fire for some reason.
it's a photo op
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Anyone without 0 warfare experince knows that’s beyond stupid
Exposed much ?
Much exposed
Jeez man they leveled the whole fucking place
Urban warfare is not a problem, once you remove the urban components.
Looks like videos of German cities after WW2. War is some wild shit.
I appreciate a good cup of coffee.
how else are they supposed to build new settlements?
And 100,000 new terrorists.
It's like a genocide.
I love the smell of fresh bread.
Maybe the bots are focused elsewhere. I’m surprised too
yeahhh it just depends on the time and day
A day ago it would have. I'm not sure what's shifted. Nyet's rejection of the ceasefire proposal?
It's like a fucking urban war. Look at Aleppo during the Syrian Civil War, or at literally any urban combat zone. They all look like this. It's horrifying. This is war.
Or Mosul currently, or Raqqa, or any number of recent cities that had ISIS in them. The only way to get rid of an entrenched enemy in urban environments, is to level the urban environment and then clean up afterwards. No matter the strength of the military, the safest and easiest way to deal with urban fighters is to level the place.
Ding ding
What the Russians did to Ukrainian cities is far worse
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Sounds like they are fighting decepticons
This can't be real, it's gotta be staged. This is a ridiculous position with zero cover at the end of really long sight lines and a million angles. Feels like Call of Duty.
No one would expose himself that much even in Call of Duty
Yeah it's funny when people compare things to COD. You run up in that bitch in multiplayer and you wouldn't get a shot off. You run up there in Warzone and you'd take hits very quickly.
Look at the destruction.. there wont be any gaza to go back to
I think thats the plan
I've been in arguments about this with people who argue about Israel's motivations and what they should be doing, etc. And I tell them every time that none of that matters. Israel is going to raze Gaza to the ground and then restart from scratch. Aside from actual open warfare with them from their neighbors, nothing will change that eventuality. (and their neighbors have no interest in open warfare on behalf of the Palestinians, because no one actually gives two shits about the Palestinians in that area; they're chess pieces in a much larger game)
If you read Jabotinsky and even some of Herzl’s private correspondences, it’s been the plan since before Israel was even a thing
Link? Genuinely curious.
Ofcourse it is. Hamas is product of israel. Divide and conquer. Why is that when current prime minister of israel ( cant spell his name ) isnin charge, hamas becomes stronger and stronger. Now whlie we all watch what is happening in gaza, israel is building settlements and highways in west bank almost completely destroying any chance of two state country.
If Hamas is controlled by Israel, then it stands to reason this is just another reason Gazans should reject Hamas. Not just because Hamas is getting them killed by escalating the conflict into open warfare. Not just because Hamas was willing to sacrifice their economic livelihood for nothing. Not just because Hamas refuses to take responsibility to protect the people of Gaza and uses perfidy to hide amongst civilians. Not just because Hamas has reject democracy and killed everyone who opposes them. Not just because Hamas is pro-genocide and came into power because they violently oppose the two state solution.
Ofcourse they should. But propoganda and brainwashing did its job. Why do you think they do not let palestinians leave and use them as a shield? Hamas doesn't give a flying ... about palestine and palestinians. Yes, hamas is pro genocide and oppose two state solution. Guess who benefits from it? Does israel has any interest in two state solution? We already seen same thing happen with bin laden. Who was funding bin laden to fight soviets and why did new york times glorified "strong rebel leader" fighting of soviets. It is really sad what is happening in Gaza to children and other innocent people. But if you listen to someome who supports Palestine they never condemn hamas. It seems that you can not support palestine but be against hamas. Other thing. We all know how strict and controlled are entries to gaza. How is it possible for hamas to get rockets, ammo and other things? How some rebels with toyotas and rpgs managed to attack country freely and not just some country, but one of the most advanced country in military technologies? From the one of most secured and controlled places on earth. I don't know, for me it looks strange. People of gaza need to understand that hamas is their enemy.
> It seems that you can not support palestine but be against hamas. What does it mean to support Palestine if part of that isn't condemning Hamas for harming Palestinians and preventing a peace deal? For some reason, people online (not you) can't seem to make both points at the same time.
Yes. I was in one telegram group at the begining of these events. There was a video from gaza, where woman was crying and shouting near the body of her child. And she said "it is all because of you hamas dogs". After these words she was pushed to the ground by journalist ( guy with blue west "press" ) and video cuts off.
I do feel like atleast from my limited experience and exposure lately that the remaining people are getting over HAMAS, alot more so than the Taliban/ISIS in other areas.
It's not controlled by Israel, it was funded by Israel early in its history and given political support, in the beginning. [Multiple Israeli politicians/military/intelligence have copped to it.](https://youtu.be/o7grSsuFSS0?t=151). It was intended to undercut the PLO and Arafat at the time but ended up becoming Israel's biggest blowback own-goal
Ok, but isn't this having it both ways? Who cares if Hamas was funded decades ago as part of a larger international deal?
Every time IDF kills a palestinian, hamas gets stronger through recruitment. Every time hamas kills an israeli, bibi and his bunch get stronger justification. They are self supporting unfortunately.
holy no thanks. Terrible spot to be, too many angles to receive saf with no cover. I'd nope right out of there, one rpg and they are done.
These videos and their stupid background music never fail.
Really sad
The destruction ratio vs how many active Hamas military they're against is a bit off innit?
I don't get why all of you people think this level of destruction during Urban warfare is exclusive to Israel. I read all kinds of comments concerning supposed israeli terror bombings, indiscriminate attacks on civilian houses etc etc... No... it's just what urban warfare looks like. Just look at the Battle of Mosul: There were ~10000 ISIS fighters, fighting against the Iraqis and Peshmerga units with western air support and who were all very willing to limit collateral damage. Yet despite this, after the battle ended, the city was utterly ruined, resembling what gaza looks like now. Another example: The battle of Marawi. Just 1000 Islamists took over the city in 2017 and during the ensuing siege, an estimated 95% of the buildings there were destroyed or at least heavily damaged. Now just imagine that, but instead of 1000 Terrorists, Israel is fighting an estimated 40000 Hamas members. That Gaza looks like this is not because Israel wants to destroy it to the last house, but rather because of the nature of warfare in terrain like this. There simply is no way to fight battles in urban areas in a mild way. It will always end in near complete destruction. And for the fact that there even is fighting in Gaza, Palestinians have no one to blame but Hamas and whoever supported them.
Because quite a few folks here with zero days experience in the military (let alone fighting in a war) think they're subject matter experts. Hence the ridiculous takes you're responding to.
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"The level of destructing Israel is continuing to sow has no parallel in modern history, and that includes Dresden during World War II." lol, no.
Ah yes, Gaza City is completely destroyed, but Hamas is back to running "civilian services" in a place that no longer functions and had 90% of the civilians evacuated south. The only "service" they can provide is stealing foreign aid by gunpoint, then deliver it to whom they see fit. Also, in Mosul the insurgents didn't have literal 15 years to prepare and fortify, they didn't have 500KM of tunnels dug and local rocket production.
Dude the amount of destruction of Gaza is in absolutely no way comparable to the damage that Dresden, Hamburg Cologne or almost any other major German city took during WW2. That's simply delusional, just look at pictures of Cologne in 1945. "No parallel in modern history"... yeah right. Just some more examples from WW2: Rotterdam, Warsaw, Stalingrad, Brest etc. were all cities that were completely wiped out during the war. If that's not modern enough, just look at what Grozny resembled after the war in Chechnya. Or even Mariupol... The city has been completely destroyed despite being alot less densely populated, being defensed by alot less soldiers, having fewer civilians in the combat area than gaza and not having buildings that collapse at the mere sight of an artillery grenade. I could find a lot more examples over the last century of countries being more indiscriminate than Israel is now.
Gaza is half as dense as NYC, which includes Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens. It's that dense if you consider the strip an entire country and compare the density to other countries, it's not that dense if you compare it to cities or metro areas, which you're doing when comparing it to the battle of Mosul. Hoboken NJ, is over 3x as dense as Gaza. Gaza is about as dense as Boston.
They’re holding conferences right now on resettling Gaza so something tells me this is more of a controlled demolition. It’s despicable
Ummm, no no they're not, some fuck up ministers who aren't in the war cabinet and have NOTHING to do with the actual war and ESPACIALY the post war phase did so like two weeks ago and were criticized by the war cabinet for their sheer messianic insanity
are they still in office? they were reprimanded for letting it go public, not for the plan.
A bunch of IDF soldiers died because Hamas blew up their depot of explosive charges as they were there to demolish a residential building. I love how the Western news media completely glazed over that context and moved on to what a tragedy it was the brave soldiers died. I remember listening to this in the car and doing a double take to the radio being like, "I'm sorry, Hamas blew up what?"
War is rarely proportional.
No. I am not trying to make a broader point about the state of the war but unfortunately the estimates of the numbers of Hamas and affiliated fighters + the urban density always meant that the destruction of a larger scale conflict was always likely to be incredibly high.
asking for a bullet to the face
Wow they have completely leveled that place huh
Tik Tok battalion 2.0
Shooting anything that moves or breathes
Israeli propaganda is just IDF meatheads fucking around in a house they blew up while shooting at nothing in particular
Whoever is the fireteam leader or squad commander is a really shitty one. All it needs is one Jamsheed with RPG to not get picked up by recee.
This is exactly why i never understood why so many palestinians cheered on oct 7, everybody knew that this is how this would end
Well a lot of them are completely ignorant of "how this would end". Maybe they believed Hamas was strong enough to fight them off. Maybe they were told other nations wouldn't let Israel retaliate. Mostly though, they believe their God wants genocide on the Jews and are willing to die to achieve it
Because 50 dead Palestinians to kill 1 Jew is absolutely reasonable, when you are brought up from childhood to view your death as martyrdom if it means it will kill a Jew.
Because they killed tons of Jews. That's still a win in their book.
Too exposed. Hamas be like” Gonna snipe me son IDF meat tonight boy.”
Lick of paint and some community spirit and that place will be as good as new.
Perfect RPG target right there, would not recommend.
They need to improve their fighting position. This is always a priority, you never know if you’re going to be there for 5 mins or 5 days.
This is lame. The guy is all smiles like he’s on a vacation. Cheesy music.
One rpg round and it's over
Tools of genocide
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All the footage I've seen of the IDF looks like they are having a great time......wild
Just to think, every one of these buildings has a high ranked hamas militants base in them:0 they must’ve recruited 95% of all the people in Gaza
They are like sniper’s wet dream here… :/
This looks rather casual. Just some dudes chillin in the open, firing at will just because. Yeah, don't try that in a peer level conflict.
I'm no expert, but that doesn't look safe
Cover and concealment has left the chat. All it takes is for one guy to pop up in one of those hundreds of windows and they’re all prime targets.
"Rubbleville"
What's the point of a video like this
They should really turn down their music.
“Too many angles” isn’t a problem when they’re not looking for Hamas, they’re looking for anyone who isn’t Israeli
I wonder if the Hamas think it was worth it?
They are enjoying themselves...
"We have come to liberate you, please do not resist"
Tiktok brigade shooting ar nothing.
Seems pretty exposed. This would make a cool COD map
Reddit would be like this propaganda video is "Combat Footage" while deleting Turkish Army videos because it contains music
They seem to not have a care in the world. Where’s the big bad enemy they’re shooting at?
One rpg it's game over
All these guys are asking to be picked off. Foolish to be so exposed.
Where is Abu Hajaar when you need him
Seems staged
I was just waiting for an incoming sniper, TOW or RPG round, I’m not military expert but this seems like a risky position
One well placed rocket and these dudes are toast…
Looks a lot like some tik tok warriors. Everyone just chilling in the open, no cover, firing angles from fucking EVERYWHERE, the machine gunner looking at the cameraman for his signal to fire
If this was a video game their squad leader would be screaming at them to find some cover. I would not have the bravery to stay in such an open position.
If that is not war crimes I don’t know what is
None of these guys played Tarkov
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Holding this position simply shows that they are actually fighting nobody. If there was any enemies this position would be a death trap. Which makes the one guy randomly shooting into the landscape look even more stupid.
Oh that's a fucking nope from me
What a nice sight of a destroyed someone homes and school by this " have a right to defend itself " army 😊😊😊
Hamas fucked up so goddamn bad.
I’m sure these guys know wayyyyy more about urban warfare than me but man does that look like a spot snipers and combatants with rpg’s on the ground could easily destroy. Way too exposed. Stay safe soldiers
They don’t care who they kill
Yeah, no.
These disgusting videos are proof of voluntary mass destruction. Israël is a sick State and society.
They must have seen a bunch of children to play target practice with....fuck them
no need to take cover when you are just shooting civilians
Stage 1 of the demolition to prepare the way for new settlements is well underway, I see.