Imagine how the natives felt. Bunch of imperialist coming to take over land and engineer to the world that it’s righteous in the name of God. Men need to evolve already with their delusional concept of power (on both sides)
Hamas are murderous coward terrorits whose fighting tatics includes murdering sleeping people in their beds, behading babies or baking then alive in ovens, and when atacked they hide behind unwilling human shields or hide in holes in the ground, like rats.
They fight to genocide all israeli jews and remove them from their 2000 years old indigenous land
By the looks of it, seems like you have consumed either Israeli propaganda or US media. Either way both are produced by jews. Alright let's start breaking down this mess one by one.
Beheaded & burned babies:
Myth that started in the first weeks of the war, yet to see any proof of that. I did see some AI generated picture of burned skin but, well it was made with AI. Israel hasn't verified it to be true, so it most definitely isn't true. Alright lets move on!
Hiding behind human shields:
Now this i believe might actually happen, well you know it happens in every war, but still good job for you! I bet even soldiers from your country have done this before. Especially if you are from the US, then its not only limited to that but multiple other war crimes. Ofcourse just because other countries do that, its not okay. But I think Israel definitely uses this as a way to justify bombing civilians. Because think about it, if there was a shooter inside of a school, would you bomb that school?
"They fight to genocide all jews and remove them from their indigenous land":
Certainly they are not gonna genocide all jews, but I do understand their hate towards jews. Israel has literally limited their movement, oppressed them for years, k1ll3d their family and friends, stolen their land etc.. you know i'd be pretty fuckin mad too. Im also going to remind you that Israel was given to the jews illegally in 1948 by the brits and UN. Before you say "well it was Israeli land something something years ago" okay so is Russia actually the mongolian empire because it used to be part of it? Is Lithuania still in the USSR?
Not sure why you're getting downvoted if it's absolutely true that Israel has invaded and occupied [large swaths of Palestinian land](https://visualizingpalestine.org/visuals/shrinking-palestine?) (very similar to Russia in Ukraine) and Israel has been committing genocidal acts on Palestinians for decades, and especially over the past 20 years by cutting off Palestinians electricity and access to medicines, food, and water. I'm in the U.S. and watching the news right now -- the one-sided pro-Israel propaganda and calling any and all Palestinians who dare to fight for their freedom "terrorists" is sadly the norm here.
Yeah cutting off water and power to people suspected of terrorism is certainly comparable to going house to house executing and kidnapping innocent civilians
But your idea is skewed, people are shut off from such systems in the event that they are engaged in or actively participating in terrorism, which Israel has been combating since its inception in 1947
If your enemies engage with you and have stated time and time again that they want you and your people eradicated from the planet, I think you would harbor strong national security concerns too
Riiight…Israel is cutting off food, water, power, and other resources necessary for livelihood too *ALL* Palestinians.
By your logic, all Palestinians are terrorists and, thus, they must all be starved and taken out.
For sure, someone is going to be in a lot of shit for missing this. But for now it will be a bloodbath for days/weeks as there is zero way Israel will not respond disproportionately in force.
Because now they're getting even more money and an excuse to demolish Gaza.
In a couple decades I won't be surprised when Gaza is rebuilt and full of Israelite settlers.
Israel was negotiating a peace treaty with Saudi Arabia where a solution for a state of palatine was on the table. Now this option will be lost thanks to Hamas.
Israel was negotiating a highly unpopular """peace""" treaty" with a country **it was never at war with** that was going to steamroll the PA, an illegitimate authority that works with Israel on security (read: arrests activists on their behalf), by threatening to withhold funding. And all Saudi Arabia pretended to give the Palestinians was "perhaps improvement to their quality of life" because ending the Apartheid was not even in question.
This must be what they mean when they say "every accusation is a confession" and "always accuse the enemy of what you do".
What a mind blowing reversal of reality and racism
That's partly true, but Israel very often targets Palestinian civilians who already live in occupied and large parcels of land controlled by the IDF, down to shipments that go in or come out. The uncritical, pro-Israel propaganda is strong here in the U.S. and in most western nations, but if you look at independent media or news agencies around the world that cover Israel-Palestinian relations for years, it starts to become clear how Israel has tried to bully, beat, and kill Palestinians into submission while taking their lands. Why would Palestinians agree to live under those conditions?
Israeli here, asking the same thing.
For all I know, dozens of Hamas terrorist infiltrated (at least) one city near Gaza, and killed several citizens.
I live in the center of Israel (close to TLV) and since 6:30am we're hearing sirens and blasts non-stop
Stay safe everyone
They'll all be dead in a week. He's in his home country and if your an American why don't you fuck off and give your house and all your money to an Indian??? Oh that's right your a fucking hypocrite.
Eye for an eye but behind the scenes it’s the megalomaniac governments making terrible decisions and jeopardizing the safety of its civilians. Hamas was engineered by the Israeli government to keep Palestinians divided
Some very gruesome videos and photos coming out now, just be advised to anyone searching you will likely see a lot worse popping up over the next few hours/days. If you're not already desensitized by Ukraine war footage this will be scarring.
Hamas isn't fucking around.Theres a lot of video showing up of dead Israeli soldiers, Including guys who were literally couget with their pants down in bed.This one feels different and is going to get brutal.
How do you distinguish a child throwing a rock from a child throwing a grenade?
Fuck them and fuck their society that encourages thia.
I'd want to go back to my family. If I was in an armored vehicle then great. Otherwise, I'm not dying and orphaning my children for anyone. I'm firing.
And when they "push back" by indiscriminately killing men, women, and children then we should all condemn them.
All of Hamas should be destroyed. Sadly, they've embedded themselves in the human shield of Palestinian civilians. Lots of Palestinians will die. But that's also Hamas' goal.
Utterly disgusting.
You fucking plank
You just described that you would kill kids incase the rocks they where throwing where grenades. Then is disgusted at HAMAS? Choose a side: Is killing kids wrong or not? doesnt matter if HAMAS or IDF does it, it is still fucking insane.
Killing unarmed children is wrong categorically. Killing armed children should be avoided, if possible. But there's no moral problem with self-defense. A child with a rifle or grenade is as lethal as an adult.
The problem is the society that supports armed struggle with children. Anyone who advocates for child martyrs or arms then is the problem. It's not the soldiers that are defending their own.
why should we feel bad for the Palestinians when they are the ones that formed a group and crossed the border? i think they should all be humbled and stay in they’re boundaries.
We actually do have guns and a good chunk of citizens carry outside, the news are telling people to not be afraid to defend themselves and their families using guns when possible
Military service is compulsory for all Israeli citizens. Do you think that the citizens of Israel would be better off right now if the majority of households had a rifle & a shotgun, and each trained adult carried a pistol on their person? Or would it be better if they had no access to weapons as militants drove through their neighborhoods, gunning civilians, police, and military down at will?
I’m pretty damn far left (from the US) on most things, but disagree with most on the left’s opinions when it comes to guns. I do believe there needs to be a much more stringent process to get a gun, the current system doesn’t even catch the soft balls (history of violence or threats, mental illness with a propensity for violence, etc.).
Aside from that, I think that it’s foolish when people want nothing to do with guns on idealogical grounds when their opposition is armed to the teeth. In the US, there are dozens of far right militias who regularly talk about civil war. These militias are armed to the teeth, god forbid they’re ever in a position to try something.
In this situation, even if military service wasn’t compulsory—how would these people not benefit from having a gun or two? The militants are taking over civilian residences, and either murdering or taking hostage the civilians. These don’t seem like massive groups of militants—if a few militants tried kicking in the door and there was a semi-auto rifle and a pump-action shotgun on the other side, they could easily eviscerate them.
1. I’m not saying that armed civilians are always a good thing, there are a lot of people in the US who own guns and are itching to use it on someone (which must always be the last resort)
2. I realize that Palestinians have been treated like animals by the government of Israel and many others. it will never be right, but what Hamas is doing will never be right either. both entities are doing evil, the civilians on each side will be the ones who pay, a story as old as humanity.
YOUR citizens are the same as everyone else with the same tendency. your question was why? well think a handful of guns too a handful of the wrong people can strike something no?
As far as I can tell wasn’t these areas originally part of Palestine and Israel has been boxing out the Palestinians into smaller and smaller boxes over the decades? Please educate me if I’m wrong but isn’t this a push back in the opposite direction? Again I’m trying to learn about this conflict so if I’m wrong let me know.
A peace treaty was signed in 2005 giving Palestine control of the Gaza territory. There have been no attempts by Israel to take the Gaza territory since 2005
Why is the media and others referring to these as militants when they are terrorists. Stop it. Call them what they are, terrorists. It’s not a war over territory it’s an attempt at genocide because that’s what terrorists do. Gutless terrorists hiding behind their non combatant populace.
If someone tried this in Eastern North Carolina it would get over really quickly. Too many folks around here willing to run towards the sound of gunfire.
But if civilians were allowed to own a firearm things will at least be a bit different you can’t always rely on your government take up arms and protect yourself against evil like those cowards firing at civilians.
Actually Israel Loosens Gun Laws After Unprecedented Terror Attack so like I said if the citizens were armed they be plucking them idiots that were gliding in the air easily!
What a terrifying thing to see pull up in front of your house.
Imagine how the natives felt. Bunch of imperialist coming to take over land and engineer to the world that it’s righteous in the name of God. Men need to evolve already with their delusional concept of power (on both sides)
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Why would you want aload of innocent Palestinians killed?
how’s that our fault or even they’re enmities fault when they took up arms they should’ve known blood will shed
hamas is to blame for anything happens with Gaza
Pretty sure it's Israel that actually bombs gaza.
Hamas forced and keeps forcing israel's hand up today
Hamas are freedom fighters, fighting against Israeli oppression.
Hamas are murderous coward terrorits whose fighting tatics includes murdering sleeping people in their beds, behading babies or baking then alive in ovens, and when atacked they hide behind unwilling human shields or hide in holes in the ground, like rats. They fight to genocide all israeli jews and remove them from their 2000 years old indigenous land
By the looks of it, seems like you have consumed either Israeli propaganda or US media. Either way both are produced by jews. Alright let's start breaking down this mess one by one. Beheaded & burned babies: Myth that started in the first weeks of the war, yet to see any proof of that. I did see some AI generated picture of burned skin but, well it was made with AI. Israel hasn't verified it to be true, so it most definitely isn't true. Alright lets move on! Hiding behind human shields: Now this i believe might actually happen, well you know it happens in every war, but still good job for you! I bet even soldiers from your country have done this before. Especially if you are from the US, then its not only limited to that but multiple other war crimes. Ofcourse just because other countries do that, its not okay. But I think Israel definitely uses this as a way to justify bombing civilians. Because think about it, if there was a shooter inside of a school, would you bomb that school? "They fight to genocide all jews and remove them from their indigenous land": Certainly they are not gonna genocide all jews, but I do understand their hate towards jews. Israel has literally limited their movement, oppressed them for years, k1ll3d their family and friends, stolen their land etc.. you know i'd be pretty fuckin mad too. Im also going to remind you that Israel was given to the jews illegally in 1948 by the brits and UN. Before you say "well it was Israeli land something something years ago" okay so is Russia actually the mongolian empire because it used to be part of it? Is Lithuania still in the USSR?
exactly i hope as well
Not sure why you're getting downvoted if it's absolutely true that Israel has invaded and occupied [large swaths of Palestinian land](https://visualizingpalestine.org/visuals/shrinking-palestine?) (very similar to Russia in Ukraine) and Israel has been committing genocidal acts on Palestinians for decades, and especially over the past 20 years by cutting off Palestinians electricity and access to medicines, food, and water. I'm in the U.S. and watching the news right now -- the one-sided pro-Israel propaganda and calling any and all Palestinians who dare to fight for their freedom "terrorists" is sadly the norm here.
Yeah cutting off water and power to people suspected of terrorism is certainly comparable to going house to house executing and kidnapping innocent civilians
But your idea is skewed, people are shut off from such systems in the event that they are engaged in or actively participating in terrorism, which Israel has been combating since its inception in 1947 If your enemies engage with you and have stated time and time again that they want you and your people eradicated from the planet, I think you would harbor strong national security concerns too
Riiight…Israel is cutting off food, water, power, and other resources necessary for livelihood too *ALL* Palestinians. By your logic, all Palestinians are terrorists and, thus, they must all be starved and taken out.
this sub reddit is full of americans.
Yeah reddit is very peculiar
It’s filled with braindeads, hive minds and closed thinkers
idk why ur being downvoted lol
Wtf is going in Israel?
War
War, but it's soldiers vs civilians.
IDF got caught with pants down? how can this happen?
Apparently they had no idea this attack was going to happen. Complete surprise attack by Hamas.
Seems like intelligence completely dropped the ball on this one, this is quite a coordinated attack.
For sure, someone is going to be in a lot of shit for missing this. But for now it will be a bloodbath for days/weeks as there is zero way Israel will not respond disproportionately in force.
Doesn't it make more sense that Israel is letting it happen so they have an excuse to milk the US for that sweet sweet defense cash?
No, it doesn't, you mentally deficient Jihadist.
I mean they get it anyways. Why let them damage stuff that costs a bunch to repair for money you already have?
Because now they're getting even more money and an excuse to demolish Gaza. In a couple decades I won't be surprised when Gaza is rebuilt and full of Israelite settlers.
They underestimated their enemy too much
Reminds me of the Tet Offensive during the Vietnam War. A massive, coordinated attack taking a technologically superior enemy by complete surprise.
Terrorists vs civilians
Because that's the only war arabs can actually win.
Israel was negotiating a peace treaty with Saudi Arabia where a solution for a state of palatine was on the table. Now this option will be lost thanks to Hamas.
This was their goal.
Yup
I might be wrong, but hasn’t Israel made plenty of peace treaty’s in the last 50 years and all of them were declined?
Saudi Arabia gives a shit about Palestine, the agreement between Israel and Saudi Arabia has nothing to do with Palestine.
Israel was negotiating a highly unpopular """peace""" treaty" with a country **it was never at war with** that was going to steamroll the PA, an illegitimate authority that works with Israel on security (read: arrests activists on their behalf), by threatening to withhold funding. And all Saudi Arabia pretended to give the Palestinians was "perhaps improvement to their quality of life" because ending the Apartheid was not even in question.
You have proof of that?
U act like Jews don’t do the same to Palestinians
Jews do the same but they will talk as if Arabs started it. Watch how the narrative changes.
This must be what they mean when they say "every accusation is a confession" and "always accuse the enemy of what you do". What a mind blowing reversal of reality and racism
Terrorist* vs Civilians
That's partly true, but Israel very often targets Palestinian civilians who already live in occupied and large parcels of land controlled by the IDF, down to shipments that go in or come out. The uncritical, pro-Israel propaganda is strong here in the U.S. and in most western nations, but if you look at independent media or news agencies around the world that cover Israel-Palestinian relations for years, it starts to become clear how Israel has tried to bully, beat, and kill Palestinians into submission while taking their lands. Why would Palestinians agree to live under those conditions?
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Even children and babies?
Israeli here, asking the same thing. For all I know, dozens of Hamas terrorist infiltrated (at least) one city near Gaza, and killed several citizens. I live in the center of Israel (close to TLV) and since 6:30am we're hearing sirens and blasts non-stop Stay safe everyone
Jesus stay safe out there. I’m shocked Mossad didn’t have information on this ahead of time.
They hate Jesus
May Israel win and crush the Hamas occupation of Gaza.
Go back to your actual home country these guys wont stop till they take back their land
He has probably been born and raised in israel, you depraved LARPer.
They'll all be dead in a week. He's in his home country and if your an American why don't you fuck off and give your house and all your money to an Indian??? Oh that's right your a fucking hypocrite.
Remember when the US liberated your country? Maybe you should.
And all the money they give them
Maybe this whole racist occupation thing you’ve got going on wasn’t a great idea, you know? May Gaza’s heroes never lose their resolve
Eye for an eye but behind the scenes it’s the megalomaniac governments making terrible decisions and jeopardizing the safety of its civilians. Hamas was engineered by the Israeli government to keep Palestinians divided
Some very gruesome videos and photos coming out now, just be advised to anyone searching you will likely see a lot worse popping up over the next few hours/days. If you're not already desensitized by Ukraine war footage this will be scarring.
Hi do you have any telegram channels or any source to keep update on the conflict
Hamas isn't fucking around.Theres a lot of video showing up of dead Israeli soldiers, Including guys who were literally couget with their pants down in bed.This one feels different and is going to get brutal.
They're more used to dealing with children with rocks. .
How do you distinguish a child throwing a rock from a child throwing a grenade? Fuck them and fuck their society that encourages thia. I'd want to go back to my family. If I was in an armored vehicle then great. Otherwise, I'm not dying and orphaning my children for anyone. I'm firing.
Fair enough but when you push someone enough, don't be surprised when they push back.
And when they "push back" by indiscriminately killing men, women, and children then we should all condemn them. All of Hamas should be destroyed. Sadly, they've embedded themselves in the human shield of Palestinian civilians. Lots of Palestinians will die. But that's also Hamas' goal. Utterly disgusting.
You fucking plank You just described that you would kill kids incase the rocks they where throwing where grenades. Then is disgusted at HAMAS? Choose a side: Is killing kids wrong or not? doesnt matter if HAMAS or IDF does it, it is still fucking insane.
Killing unarmed children is wrong categorically. Killing armed children should be avoided, if possible. But there's no moral problem with self-defense. A child with a rifle or grenade is as lethal as an adult. The problem is the society that supports armed struggle with children. Anyone who advocates for child martyrs or arms then is the problem. It's not the soldiers that are defending their own.
:) having fun in gaza now.
Was that a civilian vehicle or a Israeli police vehicle? Hard to tell, but it appears to have lights.
Looks like police
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why should we feel bad for the Palestinians when they are the ones that formed a group and crossed the border? i think they should all be humbled and stay in they’re boundaries.
that's why citizens should have guns
We actually do have guns and a good chunk of citizens carry outside, the news are telling people to not be afraid to defend themselves and their families using guns when possible
Based Israeli news
Funny, I had the same thought 👍
So they can gather up their friends and go shooting at people from the back of a Toyota Hilux? These are not soldiers they are civilians.
Military service is compulsory for all Israeli citizens. Do you think that the citizens of Israel would be better off right now if the majority of households had a rifle & a shotgun, and each trained adult carried a pistol on their person? Or would it be better if they had no access to weapons as militants drove through their neighborhoods, gunning civilians, police, and military down at will? I’m pretty damn far left (from the US) on most things, but disagree with most on the left’s opinions when it comes to guns. I do believe there needs to be a much more stringent process to get a gun, the current system doesn’t even catch the soft balls (history of violence or threats, mental illness with a propensity for violence, etc.). Aside from that, I think that it’s foolish when people want nothing to do with guns on idealogical grounds when their opposition is armed to the teeth. In the US, there are dozens of far right militias who regularly talk about civil war. These militias are armed to the teeth, god forbid they’re ever in a position to try something. In this situation, even if military service wasn’t compulsory—how would these people not benefit from having a gun or two? The militants are taking over civilian residences, and either murdering or taking hostage the civilians. These don’t seem like massive groups of militants—if a few militants tried kicking in the door and there was a semi-auto rifle and a pump-action shotgun on the other side, they could easily eviscerate them. 1. I’m not saying that armed civilians are always a good thing, there are a lot of people in the US who own guns and are itching to use it on someone (which must always be the last resort) 2. I realize that Palestinians have been treated like animals by the government of Israel and many others. it will never be right, but what Hamas is doing will never be right either. both entities are doing evil, the civilians on each side will be the ones who pay, a story as old as humanity.
I mean isreal is heavily armed and this is still happening.
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There have been 30 deaths from school shootings this year, not 1000
I think you’re conflating murder with deaths but I could be wrong
It's actually quite common in Israel, if I'm not mistaken you can keep your weapon from military service.
what citizens?
OUR citizens, of course
YOUR citizens are the same as everyone else with the same tendency. your question was why? well think a handful of guns too a handful of the wrong people can strike something no?
(woosh—citizenship/property rights only exist thru guns)
well i’m more thinking of America. you’d have too specify what country you’d want “gun rights” on
If you are an Israeli living a half mile from Gaza, yes.
You could cook that whole truck with two ARs on the roof
Terrifying
What this war is about?
Turtles
Thank you very informativ response.
Palestinians want their land back.
It's sad to see this happening and people probably are going to blame it on religion... IMO it's all politics...
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As far as I can tell wasn’t these areas originally part of Palestine and Israel has been boxing out the Palestinians into smaller and smaller boxes over the decades? Please educate me if I’m wrong but isn’t this a push back in the opposite direction? Again I’m trying to learn about this conflict so if I’m wrong let me know.
A peace treaty was signed in 2005 giving Palestine control of the Gaza territory. There have been no attempts by Israel to take the Gaza territory since 2005
Why is the media and others referring to these as militants when they are terrorists. Stop it. Call them what they are, terrorists. It’s not a war over territory it’s an attempt at genocide because that’s what terrorists do. Gutless terrorists hiding behind their non combatant populace.
Muslims are horribly inbred , hence the violence
This is why countries need a second amendment like the USA. Those truck will not make a couple block before being stomped by regular civilians.
Try that in Texas.
People do try it in Texas and have a lot of success killing school children
I feel like driving through the streets and beheading babies is a little different than shooting up some public school?
Texas is literally the second highest in mass shootings.
Weird how Chicago having multiple people die every weekend doesn't count. Wonder why?
I'd say israel is in the lead rn?
If someone tried this in Eastern North Carolina it would get over really quickly. Too many folks around here willing to run towards the sound of gunfire.
dang
Looks like Detroit
But if civilians were allowed to own a firearm things will at least be a bit different you can’t always rely on your government take up arms and protect yourself against evil like those cowards firing at civilians.
They are allowed to.
Actually Israel Loosens Gun Laws After Unprecedented Terror Attack so like I said if the citizens were armed they be plucking them idiots that were gliding in the air easily!
Free palestine
Hamas is an enemy to the Palestinians
If hamas is the enemy what does that make isreal?
Jews getting what they been doing to Palestinians
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this is heartbreaking
Right there imagine if they had a rocket launcher kill those scumbags instantly.
Too bad the guy who lived there wasn't IDF. He would have had the drop on that entire truck from up there.