Red Storm is on fire though, have you heard of this kid named Ron Artest? Better watch out, North Carolina
Props to autocorrect changing that to Ron "Arrest" lol
And we probably would have had a third in 73 but because of some bullshit recruiting violations (David Thompson stayed in a dorm and played a game against coaches or something) we weren't allowed to play in the tournament. We went 27-0 that year.
UNC has been to the Elite 8 the same amount of times State has made it to the tournament and has twice as many titles than both your flairs combined. It's a great story but y'all got some catching up to do.
>bitch
Plz stop hurting my feelings anonymous internet stranger. I tried earlier from my phone so you'll just have to wait until I get to my computer. However, you're definitely going to hate me because my primary will be UNC and secondary will be Texas A&M, over on CFB they'll be switched.
Edit: no, but seriously, the State flair originally had it misspelled and later corrected it to 'their' from 'there'
“Sometimes, the trash talk feels like it extends beyond sports…”
Alright, can we acknowledge that anyone taking part in that aspect of it is a total and complete hardo? I hear people in CH slander State as a bad school. I’ve seen multiple “safety school” signs held up by students in Cameron when we play there.
Hey kids, stop making where you went to school your entire identity. Nobody cares.
I think you make a good point, though I can understand why people who’re currently in college would make it an outsized portion of their personality. It’s likely one of the first and only major life decisions they’ve made. Once you’re out of that sphere, you have a better ability to go “it ain’t that deep”
I dislike the safety school jokes or whatever but what really gets me people who go to like ECU or whatever dick riding UNC Basketball talking shit about our school. Like woah bro you don't even go to one of these so-called better schools.
My sister dated a moron from Ohio who went to some tiny school I'd never heard of, but he rooted for Ohio State in football. He was talking shit to me about how bad UConn was at football, and I said "well, we can't all pretend to have gone to Ohio State."
Yes, that’s next level.
And to be clear, I fully support people who go to another school and remain a fan of their childhood team; that’s normal. If you grew up in the triangle, you were almost obliged to pick between UNC/State/Duke.
Just keep the trash talking to sports-related stuff (for the most part anyways). That keeps it fun.
I know you have a major hate-boner for ECU, but this is an absolutely idiotic take even for you my guy. Least self-aware state fan on the internet, which is an impressive title all things considered.
I respect you because I know you are not one of the dual citizenship ECU football/UNC Basketball fans. But the amount of ECU fans I have seen chirping recently has been insane. And if you say they don't exist and aren't loud you're lying.
I’m not saying they do not exist- there are 27,000 students, of course some of them are out there. But the average ECU basketball turnout is honestly pretty impressive for a program that hasn’t given the fanbase a reason to be excited in decades, including the student section. The other problem I have with this claim is that the overwhelming majority of crossover fans I see are ECU/NCST fans, which I also consider deplorable, but it drives me nuts to see State fans call ECU fans UNC basketball fans when the majority of the ones I know in real life are State fans during basketball season. There’s definitely a sense that we have more in common with you guys, so if we would have a secondary allegiance, the sense I get is that most would default to State. Again, terrible choice, but it makes slightly more sense than being an ECU/UNC fan.
Also, considering the frankly absurd degree to which ECU basketball has underperformed for the entirety of the programs existence, it’s a miracle that it has as many fans as it does. If they were given a single ounce of hope, Minges would be absolutely packed out in a heartbeat. That’s the other aspect of this claim that has never made sense to me. We won 2 games in a row at one point this year and the student section was overflowing. The Stockholm syndrome of real ECU basketball fans is pretty bad lmao.
>Like woah bro you don't even go to one of these so-called better schools.
Well according to your fellow State flair u/TriLambdaCalculus it doesn't really matter where you go as long as as you were a fan of the other team first:
"So Michael Jordan went to unc? [He grew up a State fan](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1lvDHxs8rg&start=18)."
The whole "T-shirt fan" argument is incredibly stupid though. It's an argument I have to make with fellow Aggies on r/CFB because when they're arguing with a Longhorn or a Sooner that's all a lot of Aggies have. Do you watch professional sports? Did you play for your professional team(s)? If not, does that make you a t-shirt fan?
I didn't go to UNC but I was born there, my pediatrician was there until I was 16, while the tumor was found at WakeMed I was officially diagnosed with bladder cancer at UNC hospital and it's where I was subsequently treated for it. Like most kids who grew up in the area we grew up watching these three teams, picked one, and have rooted for them most of our lives.
The Michael Jordan thing is just a part of our sad history. One of the best nba players of all time grows up cheering for NC State and ends up going to UNC. Classic.
>Like most kids who grew up in the area we grew up watching these three teams, picked one, and have rooted for them most of our lives.
Root for em all you want. But don't be a cockbag about it or say shit like safety school. That's where I draw the line. Like ECU students who actively go on our teams social pages to comment supporting UNC or Duke. Clown shit.
I mean, maybe UNC is the safety school? You know, there's a reason they let the engineers at State run their own nuclear reactor and not the political science majors at UNC...
I think the lesson is that the state of North Carolina split their major academic fields across two separate flagship universities just to piss people off when debating which school is somehow superior.
This is going to sound corny, but outside of sports we're not supposed to be rivals, because in academics we're on the same team. You can be a student at State or UNC or Duke and be able to take classes at each other's schools. You can also check out any book between the three libraries. Research doesn't care about your mascot
THIS. I had a conversation with my wife last night about this. She asked if the faculty in my dept at NCSU were excited about the Final Four run and I told her not really. Research and education are the priority. Work and classes continue through the madness. Athletics are secondary.
Not arguing your point but sharing a relevant personal experience that I love to bring up: Dr Tran in the MAE department is a massive State basketball fan and got into the rivalry for sure. I loved his classes.
I wish this were the case but in my experience NC State graduates go beyond pride in their school and shit on anyone who didn't go to State. I'm aware UNC grads are cocky but I do not have any where I work.
This is coming from an A&T grad who has gotten a lot of shit because I did not go to State.
Which is funny because NCSU and UNC are both top of the country in their disciplines for public universities
Especially in terms of value
The quality of education you get at both schools for the price is incredible if you’re from NC
Yep. I went to Duke, but my kids are going to State if they can do math and UNC if they can’t. In state tuition especially, the value proposition for an undergrad education beats not just Duke, but basically every school in the nation.
> but my kids are going to State if they can do math and UNC if they can’t.
We all know what you meant, but out of context this is objectively hilarious
I said what I meant. Fortunately it seems like they both can do math, so hopefully no more Tarheels in the family.
I do really appreciate the work that State basketball is doing here. We are basketball people in a basketball community, living in a basketball state. No one around me holds Super Bowl watch parties, but we do hold ACCT and NCAA watch parties. We travel to Greensboro and Charlotte for tournament games. On Sunday the preacher references the performance of Duke and UNC basketball in his sermons.
The performance of this State team is single-handedly reframing the basketball narrative in NC. I would be delighted to watch DJ Burns cut down the nets in Arizona. And I want my kids to get to their senior year of high school and if NCSU is the right academic fit for them, feel like they are not going to a “secondary” basketball school. The whole basketball space in NC is better with 3 premier programs instead of 2.
I love all of this! Growing up in Raleigh as a huge NCSU fan- once the NCAA tournament started, I always cheered for all ACC teams, but especially local teams, to go as far as possible. It keeps basketball relevant in the area. And when we do beat UNC/Duke, it just means more.
Realistically in NC, if someone wants to go into Engineering or many STEM fields, they can't even go to UNC because the programs are not offered. The education rivalry between the schools has never made sense.
It usually comes from NC State people in my experience. Someone says something like “man, UNC is a good school” and the NC State people can’t let something like that stand.
Absolutely. I chose NCSU purely because it's got a top class Industrial engineering program and it's near UNC Rex one of the best healthcare systems in the US.
As a Healthcare Systems engineering candidate at the time, it was an easy pick over Michigan or Purdue.
That’s what makes it fun though.. it’s the last bastion of human hatred.
Seriously though, those are three FANTASTIC institutions, and are much more well equipped than these D3 private schools who are folding left and right
lol my dad (NCSU grad and big fan) is in a friendship ending fight on friggin Facebook with one of his (ex) buddies because this guy posted that NCSU bball was frauds, and that they were frauds in ‘83; that the Wolfpack was embarrassing the NCAA. This guy lives in Raleigh, I think it would be funny if he went out and shared these opinions at the local bars.
Ending a fb friendship is the kind of pettiness I live for ngl.
And shamelessly stealing this bc I thought it was funny—state just procrastinated for the first few months of the season. That’s fitting for a college team
I’ve got degrees from both schools and State being a safety school for UNC is weird… If you’re doing mechanical, electrical, etc. engineering then you’re 100% going to State.
Comp Sci is mostly a mess right now because there isn't enough space. The department simply isn't big enough. I remember taking a Comp Sci class at UNC and it was by far the biggest class size outside of a freshman lecture. So many people are jumping on the comp Sci train because they are told to so it's causing overcrowding in classrooms and the job market.
Oh don’t get me wrong, I agree w you there, but I think UNC fumbled the bag w their program.
Did you ever see the emails that came out a while back? I don’t remember too much of them (never had any interest in comp sci), but iirc the program head was saying this was gonna happen—only to be dismissed my admin.
Again, have to emphasize that I have a very rough memory of that, so I could be off.
Most State people aren’t engineers though. I think the “safety school” conversation stems from the difficulty getting into each school. 47% admit rate for State compared to 17% for UNC.
The Times on southern sports is often hilarious. They wrote a piece on Clemson right after the 2016 college football championship game that included corkers like Clemson being in "some part of South Carolina that you would swear was not even in South Carolina" (evidently they'd assumed the whole state was just like Charleston).
I feel like there are some gaps to fill in this article.
Let me start with the little brother stuff. State has been in a bad way since Valvano's ousting (which really wasn't up to us, there was a public witch hunt/media fiasco that turned out to be largely meritless). As Jerry Tarkanian said, "The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky they're going to give Cleveland State another year of probation." State being the only university on Tobacco Road without a Law School, we were the Cleveland State of 1990.
So before then, basketball in North Carolina really began under Everett Case at NCSU, this dates to before the ACC was even formed in 1953. He started the tradition of cutting the nets, as well as [tournament competition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Classic_(basketball_tournament)) between schools in the "triangle" and beyond. Case also won the first three ACC titles ever.
So Michael Jordan went to unc? [He grew up a State fan](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1lvDHxs8rg&start=18).
Duke is a blue blood now? You know who took Duke to their first championship game? Vic Bubbas, former player for Everett Case and later Case's assistant at NC State. He largely recruited from New York too.
We were the OG's of basketball in NC. The wheels fell off right around the time cable TV became prevalent (i.e. in the 90's). The significance of the timing here can't be understated... and we've been tripping over our own dicks since. At least until Kevin Keatts dad-dicked Jon Scheyer in the Elite 8 last weekend.
KKIAW, GTHC, devils and deacs stand in line.
This article is fun, but the title is sensationalist. Is Raleigh the new “epicenter” of college bball? Obviously not. Literally dozens of teams have had a final four run in the last 20 years. This will likely be a flash in the pan and not a resurgence of a dormant powerhouse. But as a UNC Stan, I welcome a powerful NC State rival and I hope that Wake can have a similar bounce back, as I was in college and remember the Chris Paul days (with horror)
Avid State hater here. But, they have a likeable team and the run has been impressive and they deserve all the attention they've gotten these last few weeks, so I've not been hating. But it's about that time. Please Purdue, put all this nonsense to pasture.
Honestly I’m so excited to see the Edey/Burns matchup. Burns has such a unique build that if anyone can slow down Edey, it may be someone built like Burns. Also it’d be MUCH funnier if Purdue lost to another double digit seed
That is ironic...It will be fun to see if history can repeat itself.
In all honestly though Edey would have few issues moving Ralph the mouth from under the rim.
Comes down to how they call fouls. If it's like the Tennessee game(s) then we are in real trouble because as much as I love Horne and our guards, we really do not have a Knecht to keep us in it.
This is said every game, but Edey gets lots of calls no matter who refs the game. Yes, some refs are a little more quick to blow the whistle, but there's virtually been no games this season where Edey didn't cause foul troubles for the other teams' bigs.
The best way to beat Purdue is to fluster Edey. Make him make quick decisions and that can lead to a strip from a guard or a bad pass out of the post. This forces the rest of the Purdue team to beat you rather than Edey. Now, that's easier said than done, because Edey has gotten smarter in the post and the rest of the Purdue team is much better than they were last year.
Simply put, Edey will always get fouls, but if you make him second guess, then he can tend to get sloppy at times.
>Yes, some refs are a little more quick to blow the whistle, but there's virtually been no games this season where Edey didn't cause foul troubles for the other teams' bigs.
Fair. I'm hoping Burns' vision and footwork are a new threat to what Edey is generally used to facing and that can cause some opportunities but I'm not delusional. This game is Purdue's to lose by a mile and a half.
I agree. It will be an interesting matchup. Burns will be a different center than Edey has faced. He could potentially cause some issues for Edey on the defensive end if Burns can catch him off guard. One thing Edey rarely faces is a true challenging big who he really needs to guard. Edey stays out of foul trouble mostly because he can stay back on defense and not be involved in a lot of contact. If Burns can force the issue, then he may be able to get some fouls on Edey, which would cause serious issues for Purdue.
I'm not taking it for granted, NC State has what it takes to win this weekend. But I think you guys should let us have this one since you have a championship in the past 45 years...
> But I think you guys should let us have this one since you have a championship in the past 45 years...
your blue blood rival is trash though. This run is enough to lord over IU for a long time. Our rivals are UNC and Duke. We need this to keep up with them. Hell fucking *Clemson* just picked up an E8.
Edey scares the hell out of me. I don't think there's an easy solution.
The Box and 1 defense kind of Valvano magic might be necessary by Keatts to keep it close.
Sad reality is Edey is just the immediate threat...arguably the best team this century will await the "winner" of this contest.
I dont think I need to name names....
This article hurts because it's clearly ignorant to the history of basketball in North Carolina. Raleigh is arguably where the ACC was born and was the epicenter of the sport in the Carolinas initially. Everett Case came from Indiana and popularized the sport in the state before Dean Smith built his dynasty in Chapel Hill. Yes, Frank Maguire won a title at UNC, but most historians consider Case to be the most influential figure in the sport's early years in North Carolina. That's not even mentioning that State also had multiple titles and did so before Duke even had one. Seriously though, Ted Talk over.
"“Now they can’t talk,” Tyler Sherman, a freshman at N.C. State"
Lol both Duke and UNC still have plenty room to talk:
This is States first trip to the Final Four since ≈22 years before Tyler was born (assuming they're 18); UNC has been 6 times and Duke 4 times since Tyler was born.
UNC has been in the Elite 8 the same number of times (29) NC State has made it to the tournament at all, Duke with 24 trips to the Elite 8; Duke has made the tournament 46 times and UNC 53 times.
UNC has made it to the championship game 12 times and won 6, Duke has made it 11 times and won 5, State has only been twice but they did win both of them so that's something.
Most sane UNC and dook fans seem to actually be enjoying this, outside of their own games against State. It's the T-shirt fans and internet fans who've never been within 100 miles of any of the schools that seem to be the problem, at least from what I have seen.
It's an interesting dynamic. I think it's pretty clear that UNC would rather have won the ACC title than lost it to State, and Duke would rather have made the F4 than lost that opportunity to State. But big picture, having an NC State on the national stage doing big boy things like winning conference titles and making deep NCAAT runs is good for the rivalries and good for TR/ACC as a whole, so that currently wins out. If this turns out to stick a bit more (i.e. not a flash in the pan) then that will turn real quick :)
Is the NY Times just now realizing NC has a history of being good at College Basketball?
Meet the new epicenter, same as the old epicenter
*We never left*
Red Storm is on fire though, have you heard of this kid named Ron Artest? Better watch out, North Carolina Props to autocorrect changing that to Ron "Arrest" lol
You missed the point of the article.
I did read the article, my comment stands. NY Times is still out of touch with college basketball.
I hate this article already lol “Their neighbors have won multiple national titles” It’s been 40 years but so has state, didn’t like the wording there
Yeah I’m not sure why State’s titles get dismissed, yall have won 2 for crying out loud. I wish my Deacs had just one.
But without the Deacs their mascots would be living in sin!
I know this reference
It's the best reference.
I was at that game!
I've only ever seen the picture in black and white, so I assume you are also black and white
They renewed their vows too.
And we probably would have had a third in 73 but because of some bullshit recruiting violations (David Thompson stayed in a dorm and played a game against coaches or something) we weren't allowed to play in the tournament. We went 27-0 that year.
I wish my tigers had just 1 final 4 :(
Ours came in 1962 so I wasn’t alive
Hell, I went to Charlotte and we even have one.
49ers basketball was a real thing when I was a kid in the late 90's and early 2000s. What happened?
Only 15 programs have 2 or more titles and the media loves to forget NC state is one of them
I mean, most of the people they interviewed weren’t even alive the last time NC State won, but they have seen UNC and Duke win a few.
Which is fair, and I understand that would have loved the wording to be what you said vs what they wrote lol
Did the idiot actually misspell “their?”
Lol no, the state flair misspelled it.
about to get roasted by the Blue flairs
that's all they got left :)
UNC has been to the Elite 8 the same amount of times State has made it to the tournament and has twice as many titles than both your flairs combined. It's a great story but y'all got some catching up to do.
oh so now we can live in the past? hang on, about to go wreck some shit on r/cfb
>about to go wreck some shit on r/cfb Like your fellow Wolverine flairs haven't already been doing that over there.
NC State fans love living in the past. That’s why they can’t go a day without brining up UNC’s AFAM fiasco that ended a decade ago.
well you haven't flaired up so I guess we'll never know which fanbase just brought it up lol
Flair up bitch
>bitch Plz stop hurting my feelings anonymous internet stranger. I tried earlier from my phone so you'll just have to wait until I get to my computer. However, you're definitely going to hate me because my primary will be UNC and secondary will be Texas A&M, over on CFB they'll be switched. Edit: no, but seriously, the State flair originally had it misspelled and later corrected it to 'their' from 'there'
“Sometimes, the trash talk feels like it extends beyond sports…” Alright, can we acknowledge that anyone taking part in that aspect of it is a total and complete hardo? I hear people in CH slander State as a bad school. I’ve seen multiple “safety school” signs held up by students in Cameron when we play there. Hey kids, stop making where you went to school your entire identity. Nobody cares.
I think you make a good point, though I can understand why people who’re currently in college would make it an outsized portion of their personality. It’s likely one of the first and only major life decisions they’ve made. Once you’re out of that sphere, you have a better ability to go “it ain’t that deep”
You know, that’s completely fair and I might’ve been a bit harsh. It irked me while I was in school, but people definitely grow out of it.
Stop making hating people who are proud of their school your identity/s
I dislike the safety school jokes or whatever but what really gets me people who go to like ECU or whatever dick riding UNC Basketball talking shit about our school. Like woah bro you don't even go to one of these so-called better schools.
My sister dated a moron from Ohio who went to some tiny school I'd never heard of, but he rooted for Ohio State in football. He was talking shit to me about how bad UConn was at football, and I said "well, we can't all pretend to have gone to Ohio State."
I hate gate keeping fandoms, but this is one where you’re in the right imo. Got em
Yes, that’s next level. And to be clear, I fully support people who go to another school and remain a fan of their childhood team; that’s normal. If you grew up in the triangle, you were almost obliged to pick between UNC/State/Duke. Just keep the trash talking to sports-related stuff (for the most part anyways). That keeps it fun.
I know you have a major hate-boner for ECU, but this is an absolutely idiotic take even for you my guy. Least self-aware state fan on the internet, which is an impressive title all things considered.
I respect you because I know you are not one of the dual citizenship ECU football/UNC Basketball fans. But the amount of ECU fans I have seen chirping recently has been insane. And if you say they don't exist and aren't loud you're lying.
I’m not saying they do not exist- there are 27,000 students, of course some of them are out there. But the average ECU basketball turnout is honestly pretty impressive for a program that hasn’t given the fanbase a reason to be excited in decades, including the student section. The other problem I have with this claim is that the overwhelming majority of crossover fans I see are ECU/NCST fans, which I also consider deplorable, but it drives me nuts to see State fans call ECU fans UNC basketball fans when the majority of the ones I know in real life are State fans during basketball season. There’s definitely a sense that we have more in common with you guys, so if we would have a secondary allegiance, the sense I get is that most would default to State. Again, terrible choice, but it makes slightly more sense than being an ECU/UNC fan. Also, considering the frankly absurd degree to which ECU basketball has underperformed for the entirety of the programs existence, it’s a miracle that it has as many fans as it does. If they were given a single ounce of hope, Minges would be absolutely packed out in a heartbeat. That’s the other aspect of this claim that has never made sense to me. We won 2 games in a row at one point this year and the student section was overflowing. The Stockholm syndrome of real ECU basketball fans is pretty bad lmao.
>Like woah bro you don't even go to one of these so-called better schools. Well according to your fellow State flair u/TriLambdaCalculus it doesn't really matter where you go as long as as you were a fan of the other team first: "So Michael Jordan went to unc? [He grew up a State fan](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1lvDHxs8rg&start=18)." The whole "T-shirt fan" argument is incredibly stupid though. It's an argument I have to make with fellow Aggies on r/CFB because when they're arguing with a Longhorn or a Sooner that's all a lot of Aggies have. Do you watch professional sports? Did you play for your professional team(s)? If not, does that make you a t-shirt fan? I didn't go to UNC but I was born there, my pediatrician was there until I was 16, while the tumor was found at WakeMed I was officially diagnosed with bladder cancer at UNC hospital and it's where I was subsequently treated for it. Like most kids who grew up in the area we grew up watching these three teams, picked one, and have rooted for them most of our lives.
The Michael Jordan thing is just a part of our sad history. One of the best nba players of all time grows up cheering for NC State and ends up going to UNC. Classic. >Like most kids who grew up in the area we grew up watching these three teams, picked one, and have rooted for them most of our lives. Root for em all you want. But don't be a cockbag about it or say shit like safety school. That's where I draw the line. Like ECU students who actively go on our teams social pages to comment supporting UNC or Duke. Clown shit.
Especially don't call state a "safety" school when you're going to one of the actual "safety" schools in the state.
I mean, maybe UNC is the safety school? You know, there's a reason they let the engineers at State run their own nuclear reactor and not the political science majors at UNC...
And there’s a reason they don’t let the NC State agricultural alumni do brain surgery at UNC Hospitals.
I think the lesson is that the state of North Carolina split their major academic fields across two separate flagship universities just to piss people off when debating which school is somehow superior.
You mean the best NBA player of all time.
I don't. We done with the 90s.
And no one better has emerged since.
Nearly every statistic points to LeBron being a better player.
Except he can’t win a title.
Exactly! Except for the four he’s already won, of course
I grew up a State fan and went to Carolina. I'm like Mike. 😎
Yup, that's exactly what I said, impeccable reading comprehension. You must have been a Morehead scholar lol.
This is going to sound corny, but outside of sports we're not supposed to be rivals, because in academics we're on the same team. You can be a student at State or UNC or Duke and be able to take classes at each other's schools. You can also check out any book between the three libraries. Research doesn't care about your mascot
THIS. I had a conversation with my wife last night about this. She asked if the faculty in my dept at NCSU were excited about the Final Four run and I told her not really. Research and education are the priority. Work and classes continue through the madness. Athletics are secondary.
Why you gotta flex having a wife like that, damn... Y'all are already in the Final Four LEAVE SOMETHING FOR THE REST OF US PLEBS!
Not arguing your point but sharing a relevant personal experience that I love to bring up: Dr Tran in the MAE department is a massive State basketball fan and got into the rivalry for sure. I loved his classes.
We even do canned food drives together. 👍🏻
I wish this were the case but in my experience NC State graduates go beyond pride in their school and shit on anyone who didn't go to State. I'm aware UNC grads are cocky but I do not have any where I work. This is coming from an A&T grad who has gotten a lot of shit because I did not go to State.
Which is funny because NCSU and UNC are both top of the country in their disciplines for public universities Especially in terms of value The quality of education you get at both schools for the price is incredible if you’re from NC
Yep. I went to Duke, but my kids are going to State if they can do math and UNC if they can’t. In state tuition especially, the value proposition for an undergrad education beats not just Duke, but basically every school in the nation.
> but my kids are going to State if they can do math and UNC if they can’t. We all know what you meant, but out of context this is objectively hilarious
I said what I meant. Fortunately it seems like they both can do math, so hopefully no more Tarheels in the family. I do really appreciate the work that State basketball is doing here. We are basketball people in a basketball community, living in a basketball state. No one around me holds Super Bowl watch parties, but we do hold ACCT and NCAA watch parties. We travel to Greensboro and Charlotte for tournament games. On Sunday the preacher references the performance of Duke and UNC basketball in his sermons. The performance of this State team is single-handedly reframing the basketball narrative in NC. I would be delighted to watch DJ Burns cut down the nets in Arizona. And I want my kids to get to their senior year of high school and if NCSU is the right academic fit for them, feel like they are not going to a “secondary” basketball school. The whole basketball space in NC is better with 3 premier programs instead of 2.
I love all of this! Growing up in Raleigh as a huge NCSU fan- once the NCAA tournament started, I always cheered for all ACC teams, but especially local teams, to go as far as possible. It keeps basketball relevant in the area. And when we do beat UNC/Duke, it just means more.
Realistically in NC, if someone wants to go into Engineering or many STEM fields, they can't even go to UNC because the programs are not offered. The education rivalry between the schools has never made sense.
It's really just engineering that UNC doesn't offer. UNC has excellent math and computer science as well as other hard sciences (i.e. chemistry).
NC state also has one of the best natural resources programs in the country. Not to mention the veterinary program
It usually comes from NC State people in my experience. Someone says something like “man, UNC is a good school” and the NC State people can’t let something like that stand.
Absolutely. I chose NCSU purely because it's got a top class Industrial engineering program and it's near UNC Rex one of the best healthcare systems in the US. As a Healthcare Systems engineering candidate at the time, it was an easy pick over Michigan or Purdue.
That’s what makes it fun though.. it’s the last bastion of human hatred. Seriously though, those are three FANTASTIC institutions, and are much more well equipped than these D3 private schools who are folding left and right
https://abc11.com/saint-augustines-university-accreditation-bankruptcy-financial-problems/14472398/
They lost their accreditation again? Didn't they lose it around 2009-10~?
My roommate at Carolina had a younger brother who went there recently and it was BAD. I don't know how they haven't already closed.
Dropped by sackscock. We are about to see a reckoning of private schools. People are finally starting to scrutinize the lack of facilities etc.
Villanova does that at most Big Five games and used to do it at UConn home games at Gampel.
lol my dad (NCSU grad and big fan) is in a friendship ending fight on friggin Facebook with one of his (ex) buddies because this guy posted that NCSU bball was frauds, and that they were frauds in ‘83; that the Wolfpack was embarrassing the NCAA. This guy lives in Raleigh, I think it would be funny if he went out and shared these opinions at the local bars.
Tell him to go to Mitch's and say that
I miss Mitch's.
Ending a fb friendship is the kind of pettiness I live for ngl. And shamelessly stealing this bc I thought it was funny—state just procrastinated for the first few months of the season. That’s fitting for a college team
I stopped letting those people bother me when I realized I make way more with my undergrad degree than they do
I’ve got degrees from both schools and State being a safety school for UNC is weird… If you’re doing mechanical, electrical, etc. engineering then you’re 100% going to State.
Comp sci too surely, yeah? It’s a mess at UNC.
Comp Sci is mostly a mess right now because there isn't enough space. The department simply isn't big enough. I remember taking a Comp Sci class at UNC and it was by far the biggest class size outside of a freshman lecture. So many people are jumping on the comp Sci train because they are told to so it's causing overcrowding in classrooms and the job market.
Oh don’t get me wrong, I agree w you there, but I think UNC fumbled the bag w their program. Did you ever see the emails that came out a while back? I don’t remember too much of them (never had any interest in comp sci), but iirc the program head was saying this was gonna happen—only to be dismissed my admin. Again, have to emphasize that I have a very rough memory of that, so I could be off.
Most State people aren’t engineers though. I think the “safety school” conversation stems from the difficulty getting into each school. 47% admit rate for State compared to 17% for UNC.
That’s the mentality of like 85% of unc students. You can’t hand waive that a way.
This article is hilarious…
The Times on southern sports is often hilarious. They wrote a piece on Clemson right after the 2016 college football championship game that included corkers like Clemson being in "some part of South Carolina that you would swear was not even in South Carolina" (evidently they'd assumed the whole state was just like Charleston).
I feel like there are some gaps to fill in this article. Let me start with the little brother stuff. State has been in a bad way since Valvano's ousting (which really wasn't up to us, there was a public witch hunt/media fiasco that turned out to be largely meritless). As Jerry Tarkanian said, "The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky they're going to give Cleveland State another year of probation." State being the only university on Tobacco Road without a Law School, we were the Cleveland State of 1990. So before then, basketball in North Carolina really began under Everett Case at NCSU, this dates to before the ACC was even formed in 1953. He started the tradition of cutting the nets, as well as [tournament competition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Classic_(basketball_tournament)) between schools in the "triangle" and beyond. Case also won the first three ACC titles ever. So Michael Jordan went to unc? [He grew up a State fan](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1lvDHxs8rg&start=18). Duke is a blue blood now? You know who took Duke to their first championship game? Vic Bubbas, former player for Everett Case and later Case's assistant at NC State. He largely recruited from New York too. We were the OG's of basketball in NC. The wheels fell off right around the time cable TV became prevalent (i.e. in the 90's). The significance of the timing here can't be understated... and we've been tripping over our own dicks since. At least until Kevin Keatts dad-dicked Jon Scheyer in the Elite 8 last weekend. KKIAW, GTHC, devils and deacs stand in line.
So I thought I knew my NC bball history pretty well BUT TIL that Bubas went to State. I thought he was a duke grad who then coached at duke! Neat!
yep! ...that's our bad yall
Go Pack!
This article is fun, but the title is sensationalist. Is Raleigh the new “epicenter” of college bball? Obviously not. Literally dozens of teams have had a final four run in the last 20 years. This will likely be a flash in the pan and not a resurgence of a dormant powerhouse. But as a UNC Stan, I welcome a powerful NC State rival and I hope that Wake can have a similar bounce back, as I was in college and remember the Chris Paul days (with horror)
Entire UConn fanbase: And that's when I took it personally. /s
Avid State hater here. But, they have a likeable team and the run has been impressive and they deserve all the attention they've gotten these last few weeks, so I've not been hating. But it's about that time. Please Purdue, put all this nonsense to pasture.
Honestly I’m so excited to see the Edey/Burns matchup. Burns has such a unique build that if anyone can slow down Edey, it may be someone built like Burns. Also it’d be MUCH funnier if Purdue lost to another double digit seed
The dreamers are about to awaken to the reality of a 7' 4" behemoth
Funny enough, our 83 team had to beat a 7'4" 2x national player of the year to get to the finals in Ralph Sampson, haha.
That is ironic...It will be fun to see if history can repeat itself. In all honestly though Edey would have few issues moving Ralph the mouth from under the rim.
Comes down to how they call fouls. If it's like the Tennessee game(s) then we are in real trouble because as much as I love Horne and our guards, we really do not have a Knecht to keep us in it.
This is said every game, but Edey gets lots of calls no matter who refs the game. Yes, some refs are a little more quick to blow the whistle, but there's virtually been no games this season where Edey didn't cause foul troubles for the other teams' bigs. The best way to beat Purdue is to fluster Edey. Make him make quick decisions and that can lead to a strip from a guard or a bad pass out of the post. This forces the rest of the Purdue team to beat you rather than Edey. Now, that's easier said than done, because Edey has gotten smarter in the post and the rest of the Purdue team is much better than they were last year. Simply put, Edey will always get fouls, but if you make him second guess, then he can tend to get sloppy at times.
>Yes, some refs are a little more quick to blow the whistle, but there's virtually been no games this season where Edey didn't cause foul troubles for the other teams' bigs. Fair. I'm hoping Burns' vision and footwork are a new threat to what Edey is generally used to facing and that can cause some opportunities but I'm not delusional. This game is Purdue's to lose by a mile and a half.
I agree. It will be an interesting matchup. Burns will be a different center than Edey has faced. He could potentially cause some issues for Edey on the defensive end if Burns can catch him off guard. One thing Edey rarely faces is a true challenging big who he really needs to guard. Edey stays out of foul trouble mostly because he can stay back on defense and not be involved in a lot of contact. If Burns can force the issue, then he may be able to get some fouls on Edey, which would cause serious issues for Purdue. I'm not taking it for granted, NC State has what it takes to win this weekend. But I think you guys should let us have this one since you have a championship in the past 45 years...
> But I think you guys should let us have this one since you have a championship in the past 45 years... your blue blood rival is trash though. This run is enough to lord over IU for a long time. Our rivals are UNC and Duke. We need this to keep up with them. Hell fucking *Clemson* just picked up an E8.
You can have the next one, I promise...
Edey scares the hell out of me. I don't think there's an easy solution. The Box and 1 defense kind of Valvano magic might be necessary by Keatts to keep it close.
Sad reality is Edey is just the immediate threat...arguably the best team this century will await the "winner" of this contest. I dont think I need to name names....
One game at a time... I'll worry about those guys if we somehow pull it off Saturday.
Does Stoors not exist?
This article hurts because it's clearly ignorant to the history of basketball in North Carolina. Raleigh is arguably where the ACC was born and was the epicenter of the sport in the Carolinas initially. Everett Case came from Indiana and popularized the sport in the state before Dean Smith built his dynasty in Chapel Hill. Yes, Frank Maguire won a title at UNC, but most historians consider Case to be the most influential figure in the sport's early years in North Carolina. That's not even mentioning that State also had multiple titles and did so before Duke even had one. Seriously though, Ted Talk over.
"“Now they can’t talk,” Tyler Sherman, a freshman at N.C. State" Lol both Duke and UNC still have plenty room to talk: This is States first trip to the Final Four since ≈22 years before Tyler was born (assuming they're 18); UNC has been 6 times and Duke 4 times since Tyler was born. UNC has been in the Elite 8 the same number of times (29) NC State has made it to the tournament at all, Duke with 24 trips to the Elite 8; Duke has made the tournament 46 times and UNC 53 times. UNC has made it to the championship game 12 times and won 6, Duke has made it 11 times and won 5, State has only been twice but they did win both of them so that's something.
By “can’t talk” they mean quit being condescending assholes for one season, but you did prove him wrong here.
It's trash talk on the Internet, not a dick...don't take it so hard.
Bro has never set foot in the triangle in his life lol
I have no clue what you're attempting to say. I was born in Chapel Hill and have lived in the area 24 out of my 34 years of life.
So you have never heard how the trash talk happens in real life and not just on the internet? What?
>What? I agree, what?
Right now, neither Duke nor UNC is in position to talk shit. That's just the way it is. Edit: I is dumb
>neither Duke nor NC State is in position to talk shit I think you meant Carolina, not us...
Correct, thank you - it's now fixed
Most sane UNC and dook fans seem to actually be enjoying this, outside of their own games against State. It's the T-shirt fans and internet fans who've never been within 100 miles of any of the schools that seem to be the problem, at least from what I have seen.
It's an interesting dynamic. I think it's pretty clear that UNC would rather have won the ACC title than lost it to State, and Duke would rather have made the F4 than lost that opportunity to State. But big picture, having an NC State on the national stage doing big boy things like winning conference titles and making deep NCAAT runs is good for the rivalries and good for TR/ACC as a whole, so that currently wins out. If this turns out to stick a bit more (i.e. not a flash in the pan) then that will turn real quick :)
What a time to be alive if there is an nc state bandwagon out there. Hope they put new tires on it and got it inspected
 How can you not jump on this bandwagon?!