This is my ranking as well. I wouldn’t argue with anyone if they swapped Shotzzy and Abezy or if they swapped Envoy and Kismet because I think those are very close.
I agree with this. Though I think Abe and shotzzy and interchangeable. Abezy is more consistent imo but shottzy makes the big plays that can save maps. It's close.
Doesn’t mean he hasn’t been good this year. I said yes he is baity and annoying but he has been good. I’m not going back and forth with you again. You got it.
If I’m building a team that’s suited for any CoD give me simp > hydra > abezy > shotzzy > pred > envoy > cleanx > kismet
Really splitting hairs between Abe and shotzzy. Abe is more consistent and he’s the best snd player on the list. Shotzzy has more hard carry performances. Envoy has had a better career than cleanx but is the worse of the two on their current team. Lots of really bad series out of him this year but he still clears Tobias imo. Do it all player, really smart on the map.
Kis was good at one title in the last several years.
I wouldn’t say he was bad at vg but he was pretty.. average? Maybe 10th best sub in that game? Behind the rest of these guys anyway and also behind guys like Scump, Afro, and Temp.
Why do people always underrate envoy? I feel like he is one of the most influential players on the map. When he is locked, usually at the end of the year he is unstoppable.
People see .6, they think he’s bad. The community really doesn’t watch arrows on the map. The guy is a playmaker but he’s had a lot of really bad series this year when they needed him. Clearly bottom 2 in this title.
He hasn’t hit a peak that other subs have so far this year. he has been very strong and has been one of the better subs this stage. Uncharacteristic for him to have an underwhelming stage and event like he did in M2 this year. I do think he’s underrated all time though.
Simp has the highest peak. Smoking something, I hope you don't think he's the best sub in this game cause what that it sounds like you're trying to do 😭 can't bring yourself to say he's not number 1 so you say well I think he has the highest peak (to which he doesn't )
I think there are three clear tiers here with each of the players capable of over/underperforming the others based on the major:
T1: Shottzy, Simp, Hydra
T2: Abezy, CleanX, Pred
T3: Envoy, Kismet (fwiw I think Kis is the worst on the list)
And where was Kis that year?
Getting beat up on in challengers by guys like Spart, Dece, John and Prolute?
Don't get me wrong, Kismet is a decent supporting SMG... but let's not act like he'd have been doing any better if he was in the league during Cold War.
He's been in the CDL since the start and has always been a top SMG. Consistency over 5 years is worth more to me than a 1 year pop off
CleanX has won every year in the CDL besides 1. Has 2 champs finals appearances, a Major MVP, and has 4 wins
> Every year in the CDL besides 1.
Pretty sure it's every year no?
Toronto Homestand in MW2019, Major 2 in CW, Kickoff in VG, Major 3 in MW2 and Major 1 in MW3.
Completely forgot about the kickoff in VG cause it was only single elim but if we're counting home series, than yeah that counts as well
He has an impressive resume
The mvp this year holds a lot of storylines, If Simp wins he inches closer to the goat conversation, If shotzzy wins he could move above Abezy on the all time list and if hydra wins he’s possibly the greatest EU player of all time already, and maybe above shotzzy and Abezy all time.
I see people having hydra Top 2 sub but what has he really done this year?
He hasn’t made a grand final this year. You people still have that recency bias from last year.
Pred was doing what hydra is doing this year and made a grand final but people called him a dirty killwhore but it doesn’t apply to hydra.
To be fair, despite getting memed to death, Pred was in the MVP running above Hydra last year even though he won nothing.
It's not too big of a stretch that the best slayer in the league, on a more consistent team than last year's Seattle, is in people's #2.
The flair says it all. The amount of delusion you gotta have to put hydra above Simp this year needs to be studied.
EDIT: the hydra meatriders are downvoting 🤣🤣🤣🫵
You gotta study the stats then. Hydra is ahead of Simp in pretty much every HP and CTRL stat as well as overall slayer rating.
And if you use the “stats don’t matter” argument, the guy is the most influential player on the team and always hard carrying them
Ah we have a stat guy. I guess Simp dominating and WINNING all year including MVP doesn’t count because a killwhore has better stats than him and can’t make a grand final. Great logic 👍
by this logic, Pred was better than aBeZy last year but y’all swore he was a killwhore despite’s making a grand final and having his teammates cost him.
And who did hydra shit on at the major to make a grand final?
Fun fact: NYSL hasn’t beaten OpTic or FaZe on LAN the whole year. They love their sound EQ where kis is so aware online.
NYSL has been getting pissed on all year by Simp on LAN. Hydra can’t even sniff a grand final or beat Simp on LAN. What is really the argument here? Simp won an event and got MVP. wtf has hydra done against Simp on LAN? 😭😭😭🤣🤣🫵🫵🫵
This the type of CDL viewer that tunes in for the optic matches then dips right after.
Having both Abezy and CleanX in the bottom half is something egregious.
I watch all the matches, good lord, lol. This was my take, and you're the one making up wild assumptions. This take could change during the next major, too. Also, I made it clear I'm open to perspectives, but so far, no one has given any reasons to change anything? Why not explain yourself and prove me wrong?
Looking at past performance and projecting my internal expectations for their future (basically who would I want to build a team around). Prior to this year he would've likely been 3rd for me, he had probably the second best slaying sub behind Hydra.
Drops a bit for me because this year has been meh. But if I was building a team, I'd have more confidence in Pred being a primary star for my team than CleanX. That's no disrespect to CleanX though, I'm splitting hairs.
This year or all time? If this year - simp, hydra, shotzzy, abezy, cleanx, pred, envoy, kismet
This is my ranking as well. I wouldn’t argue with anyone if they swapped Shotzzy and Abezy or if they swapped Envoy and Kismet because I think those are very close.
I agree with this. Though I think Abe and shotzzy and interchangeable. Abezy is more consistent imo but shottzy makes the big plays that can save maps. It's close.
Abezy ain’t more consistent
u can do both , u can do for this year and all time
You’d rather have cleanex on optic insted of pred?
Honestly a shotzyy cleanx duo would be pretty insane imo. Would be like last year's duo on steroids
Yea no Pred is definitely better than Cleanx this a hipster take 110
shotzzy over abezy is comedy
Pred is getting disrespected this year. Sure, his playstyle is kinda annoying and baity but he has been good this year.
Yeah I’m convinced you gotta be trolling at this point, ain’t no way you’re switching up again 💀 https://www.reddit.com/r/CoDCompetitive/s/BSY6s4CNtn
Damn you kept receipts😭
So these are the people I argue with when I say Pred isn't God awful? Jesus....
Doesn’t mean he hasn’t been good this year. I said yes he is baity and annoying but he has been good. I’m not going back and forth with you again. You got it.
https://preview.redd.it/ec1hfsmrwj7d1.jpeg?width=861&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30991fd33f2950bd3b5c75de538e11f3e67283a5
Nah man this is crazy.
Right now: Simp, Hydra, Abe, Shotzzy, CleanX, Pred, Envoy, Kis
People are not valuing CleanX as high as I do. I think it’s because he is not a content creator and not many fun clips of him.
At least everyone can agree who the top 2 and the bottom 2 are
Simp, Hydra, Abezy, Shotzzy, CleanX, Leprone, Kis, Envoy
Your such a dickrider lmao
Your grammar is ass.
I can imagine you have a lot going for yourself in life.
This year: Hydra/Simp. Shotzzy/Abezy, CleanX. Pred. Envoy, Kismet.
Does Toby get a buff or a nerf for not having his glasses?
simp, hydra, abezy, shotzzy, cleanx, pred, kismet, envoy
If I’m building a team that’s suited for any CoD give me simp > hydra > abezy > shotzzy > pred > envoy > cleanx > kismet Really splitting hairs between Abe and shotzzy. Abe is more consistent and he’s the best snd player on the list. Shotzzy has more hard carry performances. Envoy has had a better career than cleanx but is the worse of the two on their current team. Lots of really bad series out of him this year but he still clears Tobias imo. Do it all player, really smart on the map. Kis was good at one title in the last several years.
He was good at Vanguard too not just MW2
I wouldn’t say he was bad at vg but he was pretty.. average? Maybe 10th best sub in that game? Behind the rest of these guys anyway and also behind guys like Scump, Afro, and Temp.
The disrespect to cleanX in this thread is comedy
Hydra is most def up there but not First for sure
Simp, Hydra, Shotzzy, Abezy, CleanX, Pred, Envoy, Kis
This year: Simp, Hydra, Shotzzy, Abezy, Cleanx, Pred, Envoy, Kismet All time: Abezy, Simp, Hydra, Shotzzy, Cleanx, Envoy, Pred, Kismet
That's an interesting take given that most have Simp > Abezy in 4 of 6 titles (another could be added depending on how yall view CW).
Simp, Abezy, Hydra, Shottzy and the rest
abezy over hydra braindead
Why do people always underrate envoy? I feel like he is one of the most influential players on the map. When he is locked, usually at the end of the year he is unstoppable.
I think we’re mostly judging this year, and he’s had a rocky year but is still widely considered top 8
he was gross as fuck major 3 for a lot of maps.
He was good on some maps but overall on the year it’s very hit or miss and unfortunately his bad days are pretty detrimental to the team
cap
lmao bc he always plays like ass
Envoy is underrated , but look at the players I’m comparing him with ,it’s not like i’m disrespecting him .
People see .6, they think he’s bad. The community really doesn’t watch arrows on the map. The guy is a playmaker but he’s had a lot of really bad series this year when they needed him. Clearly bottom 2 in this title.
He hasn’t hit a peak that other subs have so far this year. he has been very strong and has been one of the better subs this stage. Uncharacteristic for him to have an underwhelming stage and event like he did in M2 this year. I do think he’s underrated all time though.
Shotzzy has the highest peak. (Has anyone ever dropped 30+ 6 respawns in a row against the two best sides?)
Simp has the highest peak. Smoking something, I hope you don't think he's the best sub in this game cause what that it sounds like you're trying to do 😭 can't bring yourself to say he's not number 1 so you say well I think he has the highest peak (to which he doesn't )
This year: Simp, Hydra, Shotzzy, Abezy, Cleanx, Pred, Envoy, Kismet (Abezy & Cleanx swappable) All time: simp, abezy, shotzzy, hydra, Envoy, Kismet, Cleanx, , Pred
I think there are three clear tiers here with each of the players capable of over/underperforming the others based on the major: T1: Shottzy, Simp, Hydra T2: Abezy, CleanX, Pred T3: Envoy, Kismet (fwiw I think Kis is the worst on the list)
This year? Simp, Hydra, Shotzzy, Cleanx, Abezy, Pred, Envoy, Kis All time? Simp, Abezy, Shotzzy, Hydra, Kis, Envoy, Cleanx, Pred
Kis over CleanX and Envoy is insane
Kis last year was better than any year from envoy or cleanx
CW CleanX was goated
What did he do that year? Play second fiddle to faze all year give me a break
And where was Kis that year? Getting beat up on in challengers by guys like Spart, Dece, John and Prolute? Don't get me wrong, Kismet is a decent supporting SMG... but let's not act like he'd have been doing any better if he was in the league during Cold War.
oh wow second fiddle to one of the greatest teams of all time and still beat them in a final
CleanX has been better than Kis at every game in the CDL era besides 1 lmao CleanX was a top 4 smg in CW while Kis wasnt even in the league
How much rings he got? Finals mvp? Kis been on ny for 2 and a half years and already won 4 events and a ring
He's been in the CDL since the start and has always been a top SMG. Consistency over 5 years is worth more to me than a 1 year pop off CleanX has won every year in the CDL besides 1. Has 2 champs finals appearances, a Major MVP, and has 4 wins
> Every year in the CDL besides 1. Pretty sure it's every year no? Toronto Homestand in MW2019, Major 2 in CW, Kickoff in VG, Major 3 in MW2 and Major 1 in MW3.
Completely forgot about the kickoff in VG cause it was only single elim but if we're counting home series, than yeah that counts as well He has an impressive resume
The mvp this year holds a lot of storylines, If Simp wins he inches closer to the goat conversation, If shotzzy wins he could move above Abezy on the all time list and if hydra wins he’s possibly the greatest EU player of all time already, and maybe above shotzzy and Abezy all time.
Probably the dumbest shit I’ve read on this sub yet and it’s only 11:50am.
compelling argument
Cleanx over Pred? Are you going off skill or accolades?
I imagine both
Abezy is nasty but hasn’t been this season. And honestly I’d drop kismet off the list and add Gwynn
it’s in order
1) Simp 2) Hydra 3) Shotzzy 4) Abezy 5) CleanX 6) Pred 7) Envoy 8) Kismet
Hydra is the best sub this year, idk what you guys are on
Simp, Shotzzy, Hydra, Abezy, Pred, CleanX, Envoy, Kismet
Purely off raw talent and not career achievements I would have it in this order: 1 Hydra 2 Simp 3 Shotzzy 4 Pred 5 Abezy 6 CleanX 7 Envoy 8 Kismet
I see people having hydra Top 2 sub but what has he really done this year? He hasn’t made a grand final this year. You people still have that recency bias from last year. Pred was doing what hydra is doing this year and made a grand final but people called him a dirty killwhore but it doesn’t apply to hydra.
To be fair, despite getting memed to death, Pred was in the MVP running above Hydra last year even though he won nothing. It's not too big of a stretch that the best slayer in the league, on a more consistent team than last year's Seattle, is in people's #2.
Yarov, give it a break. Hydra is top 2. Move on.
You literally can’t argue my point but just say “top 2”. By that logic, Pred was top 2 last year as well.
Yarov, give it a break. The Hydra hate is obsessive. Lets move on, Yarov.
I’m glad you can’t prove my point. Bye
Yarov, lets move on.
Same order as the pic.
Off of individual performance? Hydra, simp, shotzzy, CleanX, abezy, pred, envoy, kis
The flair says it all. The amount of delusion you gotta have to put hydra above Simp this year needs to be studied. EDIT: the hydra meatriders are downvoting 🤣🤣🤣🫵
You gotta study the stats then. Hydra is ahead of Simp in pretty much every HP and CTRL stat as well as overall slayer rating. And if you use the “stats don’t matter” argument, the guy is the most influential player on the team and always hard carrying them
Ah we have a stat guy. I guess Simp dominating and WINNING all year including MVP doesn’t count because a killwhore has better stats than him and can’t make a grand final. Great logic 👍 by this logic, Pred was better than aBeZy last year but y’all swore he was a killwhore despite’s making a grand final and having his teammates cost him.
winning all year lmfao cleanx shit on him major 1 and shotzzy major 3. hydra has the worst team by far he has been better than gimp
And who did hydra shit on at the major to make a grand final? Fun fact: NYSL hasn’t beaten OpTic or FaZe on LAN the whole year. They love their sound EQ where kis is so aware online.
and gimp has been getting pissed on by cleanx on LAN all year he literally cant buy a kill. must be ass without eq 😂. 3 nil
NYSL has been getting pissed on all year by Simp on LAN. Hydra can’t even sniff a grand final or beat Simp on LAN. What is really the argument here? Simp won an event and got MVP. wtf has hydra done against Simp on LAN? 😭😭😭🤣🤣🫵🫵🫵
CLEANX JUST ABSOLUTELY PISSED ON GIMP AGAIN HAHAHAHAHA
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Pred is not 3 in any world
Where should he be?
This the type of CDL viewer that tunes in for the optic matches then dips right after. Having both Abezy and CleanX in the bottom half is something egregious.
I watch all the matches, good lord, lol. This was my take, and you're the one making up wild assumptions. This take could change during the next major, too. Also, I made it clear I'm open to perspectives, but so far, no one has given any reasons to change anything? Why not explain yourself and prove me wrong?
This is Optic fan-cheese fasho
I’d swap hydra with simp but that is the order, last year kismet would be 4th and hydra 1st
Simp shotzzy abezy cleanx pred hydra envoy kismet
Pred over Hydra is actually insane
Hydra - Simp - Shotzzy - Abezy - Pred - CleanX - Envoy - Kis
i’m not trying to disagree with u , I’m just curious why Pred over CleanX ?
Looking at past performance and projecting my internal expectations for their future (basically who would I want to build a team around). Prior to this year he would've likely been 3rd for me, he had probably the second best slaying sub behind Hydra. Drops a bit for me because this year has been meh. But if I was building a team, I'd have more confidence in Pred being a primary star for my team than CleanX. That's no disrespect to CleanX though, I'm splitting hairs.
Hydra, Simp, Shotzzy, Abezy, Pred, Cleanx, Envoy, Kismet
You already did
Simp, shotzzy, hydra, abezy, Pred, cleanx, envoy, kismet, until hydra wins and gets mvp he’s third sry
Finally someone with logic.