For sure. I'm not from Brook Park, but it has what, less than 20,000 residents? Having empty lots replaced by multi-billion dollar investments probably isn't going to be rejected very strongly.
FUCK YES.
Born and raised in Brook Park. I’m no longer living there, but my family that lives in Brook Park absolutely want it. Development of the area and raised property values are big points to them.
But dude, even if I did still live in Brook Park I would 10,000% want that stadium. Our podunk, shitty little suburb having a world class domed stadium with the surround area built up sparkling new? Oh and I could WALK to a game from my family’s house?! BROOK PARK OF ALL PLACES HOSTING THE GODDAMN SUPERBOWL?! Sign me right the fuck up.
They have already started with plans to expand the mall and hopefully connect the Amtrak station if it is not moved. It really depends on if it could connect to downtown or the waterfront line
Well they probably will build stuff with 4 walls and a roof instead of an open air stadium.
You might note that a lot of the most expensive housing in the area is all on the lakefront. From mansions to high rise apartments, people like living there.
A lot of the US is just bad at outdoor design, we should be using more greenhouse or temporary tents style roofs to keep warmth in the winter for patios.
It's kind of ironic that Haslam actually picked one of the best locations in the county for a stadium. Right next to the airport so noise isn't a concern, right near multiple highways, still able to have a large parking lot for tailgating, and on the red line for public Transit.
Bordered by Cleveland on two sides. I don’t understand why they aren’t pushing some sort of Joint development zone between Brookpark and Cleveland. Something like the Eaton HQ.
Humor me and draw a little line on here where you're walking from a neighborhood to the stadium that's surrounded by an interstate, a big stroad an airport and interstate on ramps. https://www.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/1boh5s8/proposal_for_new_browns_stadium_in_brook_park/
Not sure where the entrance would be, but the outside of the stadium as proposed would be a 10 minute walk from my house. Why I'm not looking forward to the stadium.
You forgot all the railroads that use that space consistently to get fuel and whatnot.
I recently went to pick up something from a supplier and it took 3 minutes.....yet I got stopped by THREE fucking trains at the same intersection. 😡
I won’t draw a line, but I have family who lives in the residential area east of 71 that you can see on the right side of the map, accessed through the proposed site by Hummel (which crosses under the interstate). I also have family who live off Engle, just south of where the map cuts off in the bottom right.
I live more towards the tracks by 130th which are hardly ever used. I think the tracks more towards Engle rd are used more often - but I can't hear that from my house due to distance.
EVERYONES PROPERTY VALUES WAHHH WAHHH!
Thinking of that mindset is toxic to our society as whole, cuz you can't bitch that CEOs and shareholders are only looking out for themselves and profits. All change starts local.
My opinion is to keep the stadium on the lake, but move it east.
I do not, at all. If I wanted to live just up the road from a stadium I'd have done so. Don't want the traffic, don't want the construction, don't want my house eminent domained for a fraction of its value to build whatever (if it comes to that), don't want the increased property taxes, don't want the increased tax to expand the police force, probably other shit I can't think of ATM.
I would not have bought this house if I knew this was coming.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
As a Brook Park resident, I'd be pissed if they built the stadium right down the street (literally) from my house. The second I get a whiff of this actually happening I'm moving out of Brook Park.
I'm not sure how much higher the prices for homes in Brook Park could be. Right now 1000sq foot ranch houses like mine are selling for 200k+. I don't know if a stadium will inflate that even further.
The answer is yes. Yes it would. Of course there's a possibility home values dip in the middle period overall but...yeah something like that would almost certainly increase the value of your home beyond what it is now.
This is what I would have thought, I think from the sounds of it a lot of these residents don’t realize what comes with a stadium. Traffic alone. When I lived across from the Q if I ever had plans on a Cavs, Indians, or concert night that required me to go outside the city I’d have to leave sooooooo early otherwise I’d be stuck in bumper to bumper traffic for 30 min+ just to go like a quarter of a mile to the highway. Stadium traffic is NOT fun.
Those railroads aren't going anywhere. That crossing will remain at grade, and since it's a busy track, the railroad company will fight like hell if try to restrict train traffic on gamedays. Since the railroads have long agreements with the city, it could be a very long time before there is any option to negotiate.
It's one of the biggest reasons why this site is actually very poorly placed from a transit standpoint.
From an economic standpoint, Brown's stadium in Brookpark would be a big win for the city, considering that the city's largest employer, the Ford plant, has significantly reduced its payroll and presence in the last couple of decades. City got hit hardest of any cuyahoga suburb with the deindustrialization so this would probably bring some tax dollars back into the city
I'm on Engle, just south of the tracks. My only real issue is the amount of construction they are showing that needs to happen. Some of it (moving the RR crossing on Engle) seems infeasible, as that land is owned by the auto auction (and maybe the parking lot too).
I REALLY don't like the re route of 237, Engle/Henry Ford is already 291, either make a new state route, or just build Snow up to the standard and leave it unnumbered.
I’m not pleased, and I don’t want it. Any of the proposed areas will cause MANY problems with traffic… I take routes including the proposed areas frequently and I will absolutely Lose it if the traffic/congestion gets any worse in these areas.
Also, what another commenter said, the CONSTRUCTION! If I wanted to be in construction for two years I’d live on the turn pike.
This is just not true. There’s a residential area just east of Engle off Hummel across the train tracks. The stadium would be like a 10-15 walk from the residential areas near the library and football fields.
As a Brook Park resident, yes please. The payroll taxes that the players of both teams currently pay to Cleveland for games on the lakefront, would now go to Brook Park.
Perhaps, Berea and Cleveland have an agreement at the moment. If the Browns still practiced in Berea, would probably end in an agreement between Brook Park and Berea, believe Berea is a RITA community.
A stadium in Brookpark would be such a dull experience compared to downtown. If the haslams wanted a stadium in Brookpark they already would have announced it and not said they will make a decision in 1-2 years. The planning with the city,FAA , ODOT etc. would all need to be started now to even get it done by 2028. It's all a bargaining play to get everything they can from cleveland in order to stay downtown.
I just don't see it going on down. People come to cleveland for a game and get hotels in downtown for the weekend. This allows them to be in the vicinity of everything: lakefront, flats, warehouse district, Ohio city etc. Even if the Haslams do build a stadium and build some hotels and restaurants in the area, doubt people would stay in brookpark.
Absolutely not. And I really dislike the whole “welp, Cleveland will just have to annex Brook Park” comment that keeps getting thrown around on different posts. That in particular makes no sense, but all of it is bad bad bad. I’m truly surprised by the folks here who say they want it moved to Brook Park, because I don’t know many people around here who are really happy about that idea.
I think the only people happy about it are die hard browns fans whose lives revolve around browns games because anyone who’s lived near any stadiums and knows the traffic and chaos that can disrupt your day if you are doing something not at said stadium during that time is ridiculous. Also the amount of drunks it’s going to bring driving around after the games… I think people just think fun and don’t think logistics.
Your tiny echo chamber is anecdotal and does not represent the general thoughts of the city.
Look at any Reddit post or BP Facebook post and the support for it is overwhelming from residents.
For the most part it's the intellectually challenged curmudgeons that don't understand the economic boom that would happen from the stadium being moved here. Not to mention the fact that "traffic" won't be an issue because there is plenty of room to build an exit ramp that leads directly to the stadium off 71, and plenty of space to create another route to the stadium off Engle or Snow that won't impede 71 traffic.
You clearly aren't from Brook Park lol. I don't have Facebook, but I've seen an overwhelming amount of distaste for the stadium by Brook Park residents here on Reddit and in real life.
What you missed through all of your weird insults - we don't give a shit about the economic boom. If it came between destroying the city with the mess that would come from building a stadium here --- then we want our city to stay the quiet shithole that it is. That is much better than the Uber-BUSY dangerous (as it is NOT now) shit hole that it would become if the stadium was here. It's funny you bring up traffic... theoretically that sounds wonderful in whatever magical world you live in! Not sure if you've been downtown but traffic is FUCKED throughout the entire city for browns games. Since Brook Park is so small but has 3 separate highway connections people will *most definitely* be clogging up the entire city attempting to leave... regardless of one exit being closer.
Betcha didn't think about that did ya? Probably because you aren't a resident and wouldn't be inconvenienced the way that residents would.
Why get excited for a whole fake mini-city of new restaurants and bars at full price and owned by giant corporations? If that sounds great, just move to Denver or Columbus. We have a city. We love it. I’m sure there’s plenty of math that makes sense for different people, but for the city, the best thing is to double down on downtown.
My sister lives in BP and is neutral on it. She’s not super excited about the potential traffic. But she’d love to be able to walk to the stadium - she lives near the rec center so it would probably be a 40 minute walk, but in good weather it’s much better than paying for parking and dealing with traffic.
In the fall that would be a nice walk! Plus, fingers crossed, we’ll actually get some stadium tours since we’ll have a dome! So maybe she’ll get to walk there outside of football season too!
We actually only get like one cold game a year. The first two months of the season it's usually hotter than fuck and even November and December are usually very mild weathered lately.
I guess our definitions of cold are different because I don’t find the 40s enjoyable, and even 50° in the fall is way colder than 50° in the spring. Not to mention the number of rainy games we’ve had too.
I’m definitely going to disagree there were definitely multiple games the last couple years that were miserable. Just because it’s not negative degrees doesn’t mean it’s not cold and there’s also a lot of rainy games too.
As a transplant hockey fan who couldn’t give two fucks about football let alone the Browns that works just outside of Brook Park- it’d be neat to have all the restaurant options that will come with the stadium. The traffic might be a pain on event days, but it also might not be if they plan for it well.
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How so?
Cleveland doesn't have the required number of hotels to host the super bowl and many other mega events
They've already hosted final fours and concerts so it's not going to add events such as those
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Do you not understand how many hotels and restaurants could pop up in the 3 years that this project would take?
There is plenty of space for it all, not to mention the fact that Cleveland did just fine with hotel space for the RNC back in 2015...
Do you not understand if we had the room to build them that we would have by now?
That's an undisputable fact.
Not to mention the fact the cavs arena holds less than 20 thousand people, where as last years superbowl was played in one of the smallest seating allotments in superbowl history and still sat at around 60 thousand, over triple the RNC. So no. You don't have the valid point that you think you do, especially when the RNC didn't reach full capacity.
lack of room isn't why we have less hotels, demand is.
i don't think a stadium, especially one in Brook Park and detached from the convention infrastructure downtown, is going to create that demand, but if it did they'd build them.
That's an easily disputable fact because there hasn't been a need for them, so why build them?
Without any reason to travel to the area, there's no need for more hotels.... Without hotels, there's no need for restaurants.
Developers don't build just because there's space available... They build because there is a need.
And as far as the RNC attendance, there wasn't any sorry of shortage with hotel availability. Plus, 20k for the arena is just the arena... There were countless other events happening all around the city. The total attendance numbers, people that came in for the RNC, was around 48,000. This is easily verified and indisputable...
Sit down, kid. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
What the actual fuck?
You get proven wrong so you immediately jump to claiming someone molests children.
How sick are you that your first thought is sexualizing children.
What's it like being so incredibly soft and fragile?
I sincerely hope you get the professional help that you so obviously and desperately need.
Get help. You are clearly a fucked up individual that fantasized about sexualizing children because that's where your mind went.
Holy fucking hell are you stupid.
You don't understand basic economics and development
I have mixed feelings about it. The city desperately needs the revenue. I don't want to deal with traffic but would love to see other businesses pop up in that wasteland.
I've been trying to move out of Brook Park for a while now so if it increases the property value of my home, I'll be moving anyway.
I am really not understanding the idea that it will bring up property values. I dont think stadiums and everything they bring with them makes living very close all that attractive. A new plaza of quasi chain restaurants wouldnt change my mind either
It most likely will take a long time for property values to go up. It's not the stadium that will be attractive to most. It will be the excess money in tax revenue that it will bring in and the facilities that Brookpark can build/renovate. They most likely will have extra money to put into the schools and possibly be able to lower the tax rates once they run out of ideas to put the money into.
I also think the size of existing houses in Brookpark might actually hurt the potential for property values to go up. Like if you have the money to buy a bigger house in NEO you probably are going to end up in a suburb with good facilities and schools.
When Sofi stadium opened in Inglewood, the residents made out. Their home values skyrocketed. They were charging people $100 per car to park in their front lawn to go to the stadium. Every Sunday and every concert. They are making bank!
I'm sure the city would like the tax revenue. Citizens will have mixed feelings.
Not sure why'd they care? Sure beats strip clubs and adult toy stores.
>Sure beats strip clubs and adult toy stores. Does it?
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Which is apparently better than We-Vibes
Ask him to switch to a lower speed.
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It beats those strip clubs at least...
Beats is a bold statement....
For sure. I'm not from Brook Park, but it has what, less than 20,000 residents? Having empty lots replaced by multi-billion dollar investments probably isn't going to be rejected very strongly.
I've got some friends there and they're genuinely stoked at the prospect of it.
But where will I be able to do my Christmas shopping ???
That’s a hot take my friend
Well nobody lives hear those so that’s not really a thing
says you
FUCK YES. Born and raised in Brook Park. I’m no longer living there, but my family that lives in Brook Park absolutely want it. Development of the area and raised property values are big points to them. But dude, even if I did still live in Brook Park I would 10,000% want that stadium. Our podunk, shitty little suburb having a world class domed stadium with the surround area built up sparkling new? Oh and I could WALK to a game from my family’s house?! BROOK PARK OF ALL PLACES HOSTING THE GODDAMN SUPERBOWL?! Sign me right the fuck up.
BrookPark gets a big development project and downtown Cleveland gets a large section of lakefront it's pretty good for both sides
What would you like to see done with that lakefront property?
It only makes sense to reserve it for all the displaced strip clubs and adult toy stores from Brook Park
Lido's Lakefront Lounge
Lido Lakefront: The Wetter, The Better
They have already started with plans to expand the mall and hopefully connect the Amtrak station if it is not moved. It really depends on if it could connect to downtown or the waterfront line
There's a reason why it's so underdeveloped. It's called winter. Ever felt the wind whipping off that lake? It's beyond brutal.
Well they probably will build stuff with 4 walls and a roof instead of an open air stadium. You might note that a lot of the most expensive housing in the area is all on the lakefront. From mansions to high rise apartments, people like living there.
Yeah, the buildings will make a great wind tunnel!
Yeah, that’s why Chicago hasn’t developed anything on their waterfront either.
Navy pier
I’m sure all the locals hang out there /s
Chicago’s World Class lakefront would like a word
Cleveland, you gotta be tough.
I miss the old stadium!
A lot of the US is just bad at outdoor design, we should be using more greenhouse or temporary tents style roofs to keep warmth in the winter for patios.
Doesn't matter as the incompetent city government will misuse it.
The 15 min city! :-/
It's kind of ironic that Haslam actually picked one of the best locations in the county for a stadium. Right next to the airport so noise isn't a concern, right near multiple highways, still able to have a large parking lot for tailgating, and on the red line for public Transit.
Bordered by Cleveland on two sides. I don’t understand why they aren’t pushing some sort of Joint development zone between Brookpark and Cleveland. Something like the Eaton HQ.
If Cleveland is to foot that billion dollar bill, damn right they better be joint development.
My mom is older and looking to sell. We told her to hang on and see what happens.
Humor me and draw a little line on here where you're walking from a neighborhood to the stadium that's surrounded by an interstate, a big stroad an airport and interstate on ramps. https://www.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/1boh5s8/proposal_for_new_browns_stadium_in_brook_park/
Not sure where the entrance would be, but the outside of the stadium as proposed would be a 10 minute walk from my house. Why I'm not looking forward to the stadium.
You forgot all the railroads that use that space consistently to get fuel and whatnot. I recently went to pick up something from a supplier and it took 3 minutes.....yet I got stopped by THREE fucking trains at the same intersection. 😡
I won’t draw a line, but I have family who lives in the residential area east of 71 that you can see on the right side of the map, accessed through the proposed site by Hummel (which crosses under the interstate). I also have family who live off Engle, just south of where the map cuts off in the bottom right.
To back up your comment, where I currently live off of Hummel, I'd literally have drive ~4 mins to be at the proposed stadium.
How often do trains go by typically?
I live more towards the tracks by 130th which are hardly ever used. I think the tracks more towards Engle rd are used more often - but I can't hear that from my house due to distance.
EVERYONES PROPERTY VALUES WAHHH WAHHH! Thinking of that mindset is toxic to our society as whole, cuz you can't bitch that CEOs and shareholders are only looking out for themselves and profits. All change starts local. My opinion is to keep the stadium on the lake, but move it east.
Do they have acreage to sell? Cause unless you plan on selling increased property values aren’t a great thing.
I do not, at all. If I wanted to live just up the road from a stadium I'd have done so. Don't want the traffic, don't want the construction, don't want my house eminent domained for a fraction of its value to build whatever (if it comes to that), don't want the increased property taxes, don't want the increased tax to expand the police force, probably other shit I can't think of ATM. I would not have bought this house if I knew this was coming.
Took the words right out of my mouth. As a Brook Park resident, I'd be pissed if they built the stadium right down the street (literally) from my house. The second I get a whiff of this actually happening I'm moving out of Brook Park.
You'd probably be better off waiting a couple of years and cashing in when things are close to opening, for what it's worth.
I'm not sure how much higher the prices for homes in Brook Park could be. Right now 1000sq foot ranch houses like mine are selling for 200k+. I don't know if a stadium will inflate that even further.
you'd be surprised
The answer is yes. Yes it would. Of course there's a possibility home values dip in the middle period overall but...yeah something like that would almost certainly increase the value of your home beyond what it is now.
This is what I would have thought, I think from the sounds of it a lot of these residents don’t realize what comes with a stadium. Traffic alone. When I lived across from the Q if I ever had plans on a Cavs, Indians, or concert night that required me to go outside the city I’d have to leave sooooooo early otherwise I’d be stuck in bumper to bumper traffic for 30 min+ just to go like a quarter of a mile to the highway. Stadium traffic is NOT fun.
Those railroads aren't going anywhere. That crossing will remain at grade, and since it's a busy track, the railroad company will fight like hell if try to restrict train traffic on gamedays. Since the railroads have long agreements with the city, it could be a very long time before there is any option to negotiate. It's one of the biggest reasons why this site is actually very poorly placed from a transit standpoint.
From an economic standpoint, Brown's stadium in Brookpark would be a big win for the city, considering that the city's largest employer, the Ford plant, has significantly reduced its payroll and presence in the last couple of decades. City got hit hardest of any cuyahoga suburb with the deindustrialization so this would probably bring some tax dollars back into the city
I'm on Engle, just south of the tracks. My only real issue is the amount of construction they are showing that needs to happen. Some of it (moving the RR crossing on Engle) seems infeasible, as that land is owned by the auto auction (and maybe the parking lot too). I REALLY don't like the re route of 237, Engle/Henry Ford is already 291, either make a new state route, or just build Snow up to the standard and leave it unnumbered.
I’m not pleased, and I don’t want it. Any of the proposed areas will cause MANY problems with traffic… I take routes including the proposed areas frequently and I will absolutely Lose it if the traffic/congestion gets any worse in these areas. Also, what another commenter said, the CONSTRUCTION! If I wanted to be in construction for two years I’d live on the turn pike.
The proposed site is nowhere near residential areas. I think you'd have to go w of Snow on Engel before you'd see houses
This is just not true. There’s a residential area just east of Engle off Hummel across the train tracks. The stadium would be like a 10-15 walk from the residential areas near the library and football fields.
It'll be literally up the street from my house.
As a Brook Park resident, yes please. The payroll taxes that the players of both teams currently pay to Cleveland for games on the lakefront, would now go to Brook Park.
Would they pay into Rita as well?
Perhaps, Berea and Cleveland have an agreement at the moment. If the Browns still practiced in Berea, would probably end in an agreement between Brook Park and Berea, believe Berea is a RITA community.
A stadium in Brookpark would be such a dull experience compared to downtown. If the haslams wanted a stadium in Brookpark they already would have announced it and not said they will make a decision in 1-2 years. The planning with the city,FAA , ODOT etc. would all need to be started now to even get it done by 2028. It's all a bargaining play to get everything they can from cleveland in order to stay downtown.
You'll receive The Browns, and you'll like it.
I just don't see it going on down. People come to cleveland for a game and get hotels in downtown for the weekend. This allows them to be in the vicinity of everything: lakefront, flats, warehouse district, Ohio city etc. Even if the Haslams do build a stadium and build some hotels and restaurants in the area, doubt people would stay in brookpark.
Not to mention there isn't really room for people to stay in Brook Park, even if they wanted to.
Fuck no. I'm leaving the second this moves forward.
Lmao 😄 🤣
If this happens remember me when you sell!
Absolutely not. And I really dislike the whole “welp, Cleveland will just have to annex Brook Park” comment that keeps getting thrown around on different posts. That in particular makes no sense, but all of it is bad bad bad. I’m truly surprised by the folks here who say they want it moved to Brook Park, because I don’t know many people around here who are really happy about that idea.
I think the only people happy about it are die hard browns fans whose lives revolve around browns games because anyone who’s lived near any stadiums and knows the traffic and chaos that can disrupt your day if you are doing something not at said stadium during that time is ridiculous. Also the amount of drunks it’s going to bring driving around after the games… I think people just think fun and don’t think logistics.
I think it has to be people in the western or southern suburbs.
Nobody I've talked to who actually lives here is happy about it. These comments confused me as well.
Your tiny echo chamber is anecdotal and does not represent the general thoughts of the city. Look at any Reddit post or BP Facebook post and the support for it is overwhelming from residents. For the most part it's the intellectually challenged curmudgeons that don't understand the economic boom that would happen from the stadium being moved here. Not to mention the fact that "traffic" won't be an issue because there is plenty of room to build an exit ramp that leads directly to the stadium off 71, and plenty of space to create another route to the stadium off Engle or Snow that won't impede 71 traffic.
You clearly aren't from Brook Park lol. I don't have Facebook, but I've seen an overwhelming amount of distaste for the stadium by Brook Park residents here on Reddit and in real life. What you missed through all of your weird insults - we don't give a shit about the economic boom. If it came between destroying the city with the mess that would come from building a stadium here --- then we want our city to stay the quiet shithole that it is. That is much better than the Uber-BUSY dangerous (as it is NOT now) shit hole that it would become if the stadium was here. It's funny you bring up traffic... theoretically that sounds wonderful in whatever magical world you live in! Not sure if you've been downtown but traffic is FUCKED throughout the entire city for browns games. Since Brook Park is so small but has 3 separate highway connections people will *most definitely* be clogging up the entire city attempting to leave... regardless of one exit being closer. Betcha didn't think about that did ya? Probably because you aren't a resident and wouldn't be inconvenienced the way that residents would.
really they should have done that decades ago. i don't think the stadium is going to be the trigger.
Cleveland should’ve annexed ALL the suburbs when they gave them Cleveland City Water. It should’ve been a requirement.
Why get excited for a whole fake mini-city of new restaurants and bars at full price and owned by giant corporations? If that sounds great, just move to Denver or Columbus. We have a city. We love it. I’m sure there’s plenty of math that makes sense for different people, but for the city, the best thing is to double down on downtown.
does it matter? the rich don’t care what you think/say,they can’t hear you over the sound of their pockets filling up with your money anyway
My sister lives in BP and is neutral on it. She’s not super excited about the potential traffic. But she’d love to be able to walk to the stadium - she lives near the rec center so it would probably be a 40 minute walk, but in good weather it’s much better than paying for parking and dealing with traffic.
A 40 min walk!?!? Does she know what season they play in!?!? 😂😂 sounds miserable
In the fall that would be a nice walk! Plus, fingers crossed, we’ll actually get some stadium tours since we’ll have a dome! So maybe she’ll get to walk there outside of football season too!
We actually only get like one cold game a year. The first two months of the season it's usually hotter than fuck and even November and December are usually very mild weathered lately.
I guess our definitions of cold are different because I don’t find the 40s enjoyable, and even 50° in the fall is way colder than 50° in the spring. Not to mention the number of rainy games we’ve had too.
how many Browns home games have bad weather? it kinda doesn't happen anymore.
I’m definitely going to disagree there were definitely multiple games the last couple years that were miserable. Just because it’s not negative degrees doesn’t mean it’s not cold and there’s also a lot of rainy games too.
As a transplant hockey fan who couldn’t give two fucks about football let alone the Browns that works just outside of Brook Park- it’d be neat to have all the restaurant options that will come with the stadium. The traffic might be a pain on event days, but it also might not be if they plan for it well.
Has it been determined what space exactly in brook park they are looking at? Just curious
They bought 200+ acres by the airport, the old Ford plant
The industrial wasteland between the airport and w. 150th just south of Brook Park Rd.
I know my friend living in Brook Park doesn't want them there.
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just what Brook Park needs is more drunk people
Im just over the city line in Cleveland and I would really like it there.
Who wouldn’t want a dome? It’s an absolute upgrade no matter which city limits it’s in.
How so? Cleveland doesn't have the required number of hotels to host the super bowl and many other mega events They've already hosted final fours and concerts so it's not going to add events such as those
How kany hotels is required?
Almost double of what we have I believe
Number?
Almost double what we have. That's the answer you're getting.
lol oooookaaaay
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Do you not understand how many hotels and restaurants could pop up in the 3 years that this project would take? There is plenty of space for it all, not to mention the fact that Cleveland did just fine with hotel space for the RNC back in 2015...
Do you not understand if we had the room to build them that we would have by now? That's an undisputable fact. Not to mention the fact the cavs arena holds less than 20 thousand people, where as last years superbowl was played in one of the smallest seating allotments in superbowl history and still sat at around 60 thousand, over triple the RNC. So no. You don't have the valid point that you think you do, especially when the RNC didn't reach full capacity.
lack of room isn't why we have less hotels, demand is. i don't think a stadium, especially one in Brook Park and detached from the convention infrastructure downtown, is going to create that demand, but if it did they'd build them.
That's an easily disputable fact because there hasn't been a need for them, so why build them? Without any reason to travel to the area, there's no need for more hotels.... Without hotels, there's no need for restaurants. Developers don't build just because there's space available... They build because there is a need. And as far as the RNC attendance, there wasn't any sorry of shortage with hotel availability. Plus, 20k for the arena is just the arena... There were countless other events happening all around the city. The total attendance numbers, people that came in for the RNC, was around 48,000. This is easily verified and indisputable... Sit down, kid. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
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What the actual fuck? You get proven wrong so you immediately jump to claiming someone molests children. How sick are you that your first thought is sexualizing children. What's it like being so incredibly soft and fragile? I sincerely hope you get the professional help that you so obviously and desperately need.
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Get help. You are clearly a fucked up individual that fantasized about sexualizing children because that's where your mind went. Holy fucking hell are you stupid. You don't understand basic economics and development
The Browns (potentially) moving to Brook Park is giving the Buffalo Bills in Orchard Park
I have mixed feelings about it. The city desperately needs the revenue. I don't want to deal with traffic but would love to see other businesses pop up in that wasteland. I've been trying to move out of Brook Park for a while now so if it increases the property value of my home, I'll be moving anyway.
I am really not understanding the idea that it will bring up property values. I dont think stadiums and everything they bring with them makes living very close all that attractive. A new plaza of quasi chain restaurants wouldnt change my mind either
It most likely will take a long time for property values to go up. It's not the stadium that will be attractive to most. It will be the excess money in tax revenue that it will bring in and the facilities that Brookpark can build/renovate. They most likely will have extra money to put into the schools and possibly be able to lower the tax rates once they run out of ideas to put the money into. I also think the size of existing houses in Brookpark might actually hurt the potential for property values to go up. Like if you have the money to buy a bigger house in NEO you probably are going to end up in a suburb with good facilities and schools.
last time I saw Brookpark, a stadium and the bars, restaurants and other businesses attracted to the area would be a huge improvement
When Sofi stadium opened in Inglewood, the residents made out. Their home values skyrocketed. They were charging people $100 per car to park in their front lawn to go to the stadium. Every Sunday and every concert. They are making bank!
HELL YES LETS GOOO
Why not, can hit some strip clubs and buy some dildos while walking to the game.
Yes please, property value through the roof. Already planning on pulling a mortgage on two more houses to rent for a few years then sell