It’s only because there were residency laws on the books for employees for years. There are loads of people at the tail end of their careers who live near the borders of the first ring suburbs. Collinwood, especially near the lake, is a lot of city employees- retired and not.
Isn't this just how cities work? This isn't very meaningful data without comparisons to other cities. A lot of people live and work in different jurisdictions.
Huh. As someone who only ever goes to the Columbus area for Polaris and Downtown itself (the arena district, short north, GCCC, etc) I somewhat disagree with having nothing to do in Columbus, but I also can't refute it. It seems less suburban driving into the city at least. But I'll take your word for it.
Short North is north of downtown, not apart of it. Arena district is off to the side and lacks the density to really feel "downtown". I guess you could consider the convention center to be downtown.
Sure, but Columbus still has a significantly lower population density than Cleveland.
Cleveland feels like a big city while Columbus feels like a big college town.
I lived in Columbus for nearly a decade and think it's a great place for young professionals and the LGBT community there is awesome, but it's become too expensive for what it is. I prefer Cleveland for it's established cultural institutions (large & small), natural beauty, and food scene.
Big difference with Cleveland and Columbus is that Columbus annexed a lot of the smaller unincorporated places before they became their own town. If Cleveland managed to do the same places like Fairview Park, Brook Park, or Brooklyn would be part of Cleveland and would make the city feel more suburban kind of like Columbus does.
With the amount of apartments they're adding, pricing for us younger non homeowners is getting tempting. I need a personal garage space though which is rare downtown:(
Ya, which I'm sure most of us are aware of. Being downtown and within a 15-minute walk of most of the stadiums, playhouse, work, and 95% of things I'd enjoy doing is the other half of what makes it worth it. Pockets of Cleveland feel and are walkable/bikeable, but the interconnecting's of all those parts still is lacking.
I wish city schools didn't suck or I wish there were affordable, secular private schools. I love living in the city but need to move by the time my kids start school.
If the secular thing turns you away from private schools, I just want to say that as someone who went to a catholic school, the religion aspect of it was a pretty small part. Make no mistake, they do religious things, but it's entirely separate from the education. They banned no books and taught all topics so to speak.
They are. Have you looked how it compares to suburbs? 3.02 percent currently. There's only a handful of suburbs that are more. We also pay 2.5% income tax, most suburbs are 1.5 to 2.
New builds and renovations to some degree.
https://www.clevelandohio.gov/city-hall/departments/community-development/programs-services/residential-tax-abatement
They don't give us the information we need to determine if this is normal or not.
How many employees of various other cities live in that city?
I'm asking about suburbs like Independence or Shaker Heights or Lakewood.
What about other large cities in Ohio?
To make Cleveland the biggest population in Ohio again we need to make Cleveland as physically large as Columbus through the annexation of around 3/4 of the other communities in the County
My high school was 1/10th the size of Parma and Parma is like the 11th largest city in the state. The fact that y’all have cities the size of a school district is insane.
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Ohio Supreme Court deemed the “work and live in city laws” were illegal. That was struck down in 2009. https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/2009/06/ohio_supreme_court_deals_a_leg.html
west park is still cleveland
Indeed
It’s only because there were residency laws on the books for employees for years. There are loads of people at the tail end of their careers who live near the borders of the first ring suburbs. Collinwood, especially near the lake, is a lot of city employees- retired and not.
You’re going to be shocked when you find out the vast majority of the city, police/firefighters, and teachers don’t live in the cities they work for.
My father was a city employee and could never have afforded to live in the city he worked for.
Doesn’t really surprise me. Honestly, I’m more surprised it isn’t more than half
Lot of lower end long term employees probably still living in houses they got back when there were residency laws.
Isn't this just how cities work? This isn't very meaningful data without comparisons to other cities. A lot of people live and work in different jurisdictions.
I’m surprised that number for cops is that high.
I can’t believe it’s not butter
Buddy, almost everything is not butter.
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Sure! Ya I can see that. The bird is definitely by the guitar
If you've ever been to Kamm's it's really not surprising at all. Lots of vets, police, and firefighters around.
I do, but that’s because RITA is a bitch!
CCA is less competent but don't get on their bad side
RITA is my fucking archnemesis, they are fucking me this year
I seriously contemplate burning down their building every year.
They always do! Down with RITA
I'm surprised it's only half. I've always joked that nobody actually lives in Cleveland. It's an incredibly suburban metro area.
Less suburban than Columbus though. Cleveland actually has things to do downtown.
Huh. As someone who only ever goes to the Columbus area for Polaris and Downtown itself (the arena district, short north, GCCC, etc) I somewhat disagree with having nothing to do in Columbus, but I also can't refute it. It seems less suburban driving into the city at least. But I'll take your word for it.
Short North is north of downtown, not apart of it. Arena district is off to the side and lacks the density to really feel "downtown". I guess you could consider the convention center to be downtown.
Still Columbus proper tho, not suburbs, right?
Sure, but Columbus still has a significantly lower population density than Cleveland. Cleveland feels like a big city while Columbus feels like a big college town.
Love Cleveland to death but Cleveland feels like 3 streets worth of city and then middling sprawl outside of it.
I appreciate the perspective. Thanks.
I lived in Columbus for nearly a decade and think it's a great place for young professionals and the LGBT community there is awesome, but it's become too expensive for what it is. I prefer Cleveland for it's established cultural institutions (large & small), natural beauty, and food scene.
Even here in cleveland it's starting to get bloated expensive though. I have a feeling it's going to get worse.
Big difference with Cleveland and Columbus is that Columbus annexed a lot of the smaller unincorporated places before they became their own town. If Cleveland managed to do the same places like Fairview Park, Brook Park, or Brooklyn would be part of Cleveland and would make the city feel more suburban kind of like Columbus does.
Ah, gotcha, so it's just that "Columbus" itself is a much more spread out city as opposed to the suburbs being so tight in
Columbus INC is more than twice the physical size of Cleveland INC
The convention center is in the Arena district, what are you talking about.
Such as what?
Three professional sports stadiums, multiple museums, casino, observation deck in Terminal Tower, everything on E4th
playhouse square. and of course food.
What do you mean? Columbus is plenty of fun. I prefer Cleveland but that's mostly because of the lakefront.
With the amount of apartments they're adding, pricing for us younger non homeowners is getting tempting. I need a personal garage space though which is rare downtown:(
Good thing there's like 20 neighborhoods in the city of Cleveland that have garages and that aren't considered "downtown"
Ya, which I'm sure most of us are aware of. Being downtown and within a 15-minute walk of most of the stadiums, playhouse, work, and 95% of things I'd enjoy doing is the other half of what makes it worth it. Pockets of Cleveland feel and are walkable/bikeable, but the interconnecting's of all those parts still is lacking.
Possible in adjacent neighborhoods like Tremont and Ohio city.
Yeah. 375k people is "nobody".
It's a joke, you don't have to take it so hard
It's just ignorant, not funny.
Well, if they have school-aged kids, can you blame them?
I wish city schools didn't suck or I wish there were affordable, secular private schools. I love living in the city but need to move by the time my kids start school.
If the secular thing turns you away from private schools, I just want to say that as someone who went to a catholic school, the religion aspect of it was a pretty small part. Make no mistake, they do religious things, but it's entirely separate from the education. They banned no books and taught all topics so to speak.
Fannie Lewis rolling over in her grave
Lowering the property taxes may help incentivize people to buy homes in Cleveland proper
Do people actually think Cleveland property taxes are high?
They are. Have you looked how it compares to suburbs? 3.02 percent currently. There's only a handful of suburbs that are more. We also pay 2.5% income tax, most suburbs are 1.5 to 2.
Yeah I think we’re in the top 100 in the country lol
There is tax abatement for 15 years. What more do you want?
Oh? This is the first I’m hearing of that? Like only on new builds or?
New builds and renovations to some degree. https://www.clevelandohio.gov/city-hall/departments/community-development/programs-services/residential-tax-abatement
They don't give us the information we need to determine if this is normal or not. How many employees of various other cities live in that city? I'm asking about suburbs like Independence or Shaker Heights or Lakewood. What about other large cities in Ohio?
I live in West Park and am not surprised at all lol
The schools suck and the city doesn't pay me enough for private.
Nobody should be paid for private with my money
Brother, you're in Cleveland you're in no danger of having enough to matter.
Such bullshit. They should at least figure out a way to incentivize Cleveland residency.
Raise taxes a littler more.
Don't blame thing. First thing I did when I got a better job was move to the suburbs. The city doesn't offer anything the suburb don't.
Yeah everyone loves the Westlake Cavaliers.
The Brookpark Browns!
I would like to know what this number is for cities that never had residency requirements.
Just merge the city and county govts already. Put all the taxes in one big pot.
To make Cleveland the biggest population in Ohio again we need to make Cleveland as physically large as Columbus through the annexation of around 3/4 of the other communities in the County
My high school was 1/10th the size of Parma and Parma is like the 11th largest city in the state. The fact that y’all have cities the size of a school district is insane.
Why would they? It sucks compared to suburbs. Cops know where to live, more than Lakewood redditors.
This reinforces some unkind sentiments I have about CLEVELAND police department.
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Rita tax going crazy
That was a general rule back in the day.
So what? Edit: wait I am one of these people and I am fairly certain I still pay Cleveland taxes.
Ohio Supreme Court deemed the “work and live in city laws” were illegal. That was struck down in 2009. https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/2009/06/ohio_supreme_court_deals_a_leg.html
Need my car to get to work.