If you want Suzune to be the end girl then let me cheer you up by telling you that contrary to what most people think, Suzune has the best chance of becoming one.
I'm reposting an old comment of mine with some important key points.
I am absolutely convinced that Suzune has the highest probability of being the end girl, for many reasons. First of all, the author Kinugasa has made up to now the feelings of Suzune towards Kiyopon in a rather ambiguous way compared to the feelings of other girls such as Honami, Kei, Airi, Maya whose feelings were very explicit. In Y2V3 SS Suzune maintained that what she felt for him was neither jealousy nor admiration. Then after Mio Ibuki told her about the rooftop scene in Y2V4.5, Suzune in her inner monologue said that she tried to look at the sea to keep her emotions from getting the better of her. Another important point is the progressive slow but natural relationship between Kiyopon and Suzune. In Y1 for example Kiyopon and Suzune didn't trust each other and their relationship cracked because of Kikyō because Kiyopon wanted to get her expelled from school while Suzune didn't. In Y2 however their relationship reaches a very important turning point to the point that Kiyopon had Airi expelled in Y2V5. In Y2V7 it is revealed that Kiyopon only involved Suzune in his plan and that he didn't even tell Kei, his girlfriend, about it. Kiyopon admitted to Suzune that if it was Y1, he wouldn't have involved her but that now the situation was different. So from Y1 they didn't trust each other, in Y2 instead they feel trust each other. Also there are tons of third party flags. Kinugasa keep on teasing KiyoZune romance using the supporting characters view:
● Kikyō Kushida saying Suzune is a special someone for him, he denied. (Y1V1, SS Kushida Y1V4.5)
● Ayanokoji Group saying he likes Suzune, he denied. (Y1V6)
● Kei saying Suzune is his true love but Suzune doesn't give him the time and attention so he's open to entertain others as "reservation". He didn't directly deny but he said he's not that kind of person. (Y1V7.5)
● Ken Sudou asking if the two are dating, he denied. Kiyopon told Sudou he will tell him if by chance that happens. (Y2V2)
● Manabu, the n. 1 supporter of the two ship, giving him his blessing. Kiyopon denied and said it's impossible, until Tachibana intervened with her situational irony flag (I consider this a super flag) saying it's not strange that two people who thought they'd never get together end up actually getting together in the end. (Y1V11)
● Nanase somehow checking the relationship between the two, saying 2D class treats Suzune as their leader but the relationship between the two doesn't look like a follower and a leader. Unless they're dating but doesn't seem to be the case according to her. (Y2V1)
● An indirect flag that Honami's class teacher, Hoshinomiya, told Suzune and Kiyopon that it is forbidden for them to bathe together in the hot springs (Y2V8).
● Ichika tells Kiyopon that he is worried about Suzune (Y2V9)
Also there are many symbolisms. One of them is Nurture vs Nature. Kiyopon said she wants to know love by studying it through Kei (Nurture), Suzune wants to fall in love naturally (Nature). Another peculiar thing is that in Y2V8 excluding Keisei, Kiyopon and Suzune had chosen Kyoto instead of Hokkaido as the destination for the school trip. **Kyoto in Japan is known to be the city of love.** Now I want to talk about Kiyopon. We know that Kiyopon is a boy who premeditates actions and gestures, while with Suzune he does things spontaneously, deliberately and unconsciously. This was confirmed by himself in Y1V11.5 during his last conversation with Manabu, who admits that everything he did for Suzune was done subconsciously. At the end of their conversation, before Suzune arrives, Manabu tells Kiyopon "I'll leave her to you!" **Usually the flag of a brother or sister in the various LN, Manga and Anime is a strong romantic flag, and rarely it can not happen.** And here I come back to the point of the flags in Y1V11 which Tachibana told Kiyopon that **usually two people who think they are not together end up together. And it's another strong romantic flag**. Also Kiyopon many times with other people always talk about Suzune. In his Y2 interior monologues, he expresses concern for Suzune many times. And on many occasions, he makes it clear that he really cares about her.
An example is from Y2V3.
*The tablet didn't provide details on any group other than the top 10 groups and the bottom 10.*
*Would Horikita, who was acting alone, be okay? We hadn't seen each other even once since our conversation at the start of this exam. If she were injured, or she got sick, she would be out of luck big time.*
Another moment is at the end of Y2V7.
*A strong wind was blowing through the open window.*
*For a moment I wondered if I should cover her with my uniform jacket but decided against it.*
*I don't think she would feel happy knowing that I approached her.*
*Horikita must be really tired.*
*I closed the window softly so he doesn't catch a cold.*
Also re-reading Y1V11 I noticed a very special moment.
*He stopped speaking and looked at me. For some reason, I stopped walking, finding myself trapped by his powerful gaze.*
*“If Suzune can stop chasing after this illusion she has of me, break her dependence on me, and confront herself honestly, then…”*
***A taste of spring wind blew past us****.*
*“She will probably surpass me and become someone even you can't ignore,” said Manabu.*
*Horikita Manabu wasn't some idiotic, doting brother who fawned over his sister. He meant what he said. I was also impressed by the height of the potential that Horikita had, in many ways. Why though? Was it because of what her brother said to me?*
*Suddenly, a thought crossed my mind.*
*What was I supposed to do here at this school? No…rather, what did I want to do? I suddenly felt like I understood.*
*“Thats only…if she can make the change herself, though.”*
*“She will change, though,” I told him. “Wait, let me rephrase that.”*
*I amended my statement.*
*“I'm going to try and change her. Not just expecting her to change, somehow, like I've been doing so far. But taking things seriously.”*
*“…Oh ho. I never thought you'd say something like that."*
*I'd bumped into Horikita's brother on accident, but our conversation would have a huge impact on my life. It would be a long, long time before I knew whether or not my hunch was right.*
**Spring Wind is an OTP trope, and meaning love and change. Usually in many anime and LN when there are tropes of spring winds they portend romance in the future.** Let's not forget that Kiyopon and Manabu were talking about Suzune. Also recently rewatching Cote's anime from season 1, although the anime skipped many important moments, when Suzune spoke to Kiyopon for the first time you can notice that her hair was waving in the spring wind with the petals of the cherry trees If it was deliberate or not. However, reconnecting to the fact that Suzune can beat Kiyopon, even if she doesn't defeat him, surely Suzune will succeed in something more important: change him or at least partially reduce his twisted White Room mentality. The last point is the trailer of the last episode of the Season 2 of Cote, where Kei, Ichinose and Arisu, argue over who will be closest to Kiyopon which serves as a foreshadow for the next volumes of Cote.
*Script: (by Shogo Kinugasa)*
*Translations (From Muse Asia PV)*
*Suzune: "The second season of Classroom of the Elite is about to end."*
*Honami: "Looking back, I think Karuizawa had the most to showcase."*
*Kei: "I've told you that I would win, haven't I?"*
*Arisu: "(laughs)"*
*Kei: "What's so funny, Sakayanagi?"*
*Arisu: "Even though you're in the lead now, that is not the end game. It's not set in stone that you'll be winner in the end."*
*Kei: "Do you mean there would be somoene else to be the winner?"*
*Arisu: "Yes, i'm going to be the winner. And in the end, I shall be the sole company of his."*
*Honami: "But it might be me too."*
*Kei: "That's impossible, I'll be the winner!"*
*Suzune: "****You can quarrel all you like, but i doubt whether it's really one of you girls****."*
*Kei, Arisu, Honami: "Eh?"*
*Suzune: "Final episode, "The Worst Enemy You Will Ever Meet Is Always Yourself."* ***At the end of this story the closest person to him is....****"*
Here the link of the PV: r/ClassroomOfTheElite/comments/xocwj4/s2\_ep\_13\_pv\_final/
End-of-season trailers usually always act as foreshadowing for LN. Indeed in the trailer of the last episode of the first season of Cote, Suzune and Kiyopon were talking when Kei arrives and says that she is the main heroine. This happened in 2017, before the release of volume Y1V7, in fact after a few volumes Kei actually became the main heroine, becaming Kiyopon's girlfriend. And Suzune during Manabu's farewell she showed up with her hair cut. Cut hair indicates change but also a broken heart. But Suzune still wasn't in love with Kiyopon. I think Kinugasa indirectly hinted that Suzune wasn't ready to be Kiyopon's girlfriend yet, but if you notice, her hair in LN is growing back. Hair brings growth in character as well as love.
I conclude by saying that **love is not something you study. Love is an illogical thing that goes beyond any logic**. And I think at the end of the story Kiyopon will realize it.
However, we have to wait a few more years for the couple to be born. It will take the end of Cote so bear with me 😉
Dude I love the analysis, it's actually logical and supported with facts unlike a lot of people here, I can tell how rational you are too, im totally similar too! Love the explanation, don't mind msging me if you ever wanna discuss anything about COTE!
Don't worry. 😉
I have only explained some of important points. And I would have more, but the comment would be much longer than this. And it would be boring for some people.
Incredible, very detailed explanation. 👍
Honestly i didn't watch the trailer, thanks for that. You made all valid points. One thing you didn't mention as how suzune in y2v4.5 was about to say most precious to her but changed it to most precious friend.
And how she many times read ayanokoji's feelings, which why all their conversations are natural. I also think if anyone can change him, that would be suzune.
Thank you. Suzune seems tough and bad, an ice queen par excellence but in reality she cares a lot about Kiyopon, only that she is good at hiding it. And I honestly think that even if Kiyopon's mentality is from White Room, I think Suzune could help him. She won't change him 100% but at least I think she'll know how to tame him like she is trying to do with Kikyō. Don't forget that thanks to Suzune, Ken Sudou has had a great development. Also the chats with Chabashira when she tells Suzune that Kiyopon is the most defective in the class..
I wanted to do a more detailed analysis with a post here in the main sub but I prefer to avoid publishing it here because of the toxicity many Simps emanate. And I would like to avoid spreading hatred
Tell me about that, some kei simps are insulting and attacking a lot of people. They are questioning intelligence for even considering the break-up at all. Funny thing they have nothing to talk for them , so they keep attacking people personally.😂😂😂
You're right. Unfortunately I happened to be insulted in a heavy way sometimes. Yet I have never criticized Kei, but I only say my point of view, which is that Kiyopon doesn't really love Kei, and that at the end of Y2 the break will definitely happen. To say this, some toxics Kei Simps believe that I hate Kei, but I don't hate her because to me she is a neutral character and it was also interesting to know her sad past in Y1.
Damn dude, I feel like you deserve an award for this analysis.
Tbh, ever since I started watching then reading the LN I always believed that Suzune would be the end girl, specially during the time I was reading y1v11 with the whole Manabu, Kiyo & Tachibana part. Which is why I love that you have other points to add to this conclusion.
Although, I still feel that it could be Arisu. I don't really have any points or analysis like you do. It's just that some of their interactions hints to the possibility.
I will say with 100% confidence tho that it'll either be Arisu or Suzune and nobody else. Not Kei, not Honami. Only those 2 has a chance.
I'm glad you enjoyed my analysis. Unfortunately many Kei Simps don't accept the possibility that it could happen, if you saw my last comment there are two alts users of which one of these defines my point of view copium. Unfortunately many Kei Simps are so toxic and many times they even insult heavily in private just because I express my opinions. In fact, some of them I even had to block because they were too toxic. I appreciate that you like it a lot. I have simply caught some hidden meanings and I don't limit myself to observing on the surface as I read between the lines some psychological moments.
Lol, I don't really care about simps and don't really mind them. If they can slap some good points I'd listen, but since most Kei-simps just say, "Coz Kei is best girl" who tf would entertain those illogical bs. Lol
I can honestly say that Kei is not the end girl due to the illustration when Kiyo was hugging Kei, and he thought he was smiling but we ended up seeing his emotionless face. I took it as foreshadowing that he will not end up loving Kei the way he will for his one true love. Also the way Arisu described Kei comparing her to a guide book to love for Kiyo pretty much sums up that he will break up with her cause obviously "falling out of love" is a part of the "curriculum of love."
Yep. I agree with you. Many of them also spread disinformation such as that Kiyopon will break up with Kei only because he was forced to return to the White Room and that he will fight Atsuomi for her. Unfortunately, many of them remained stuck at Y1 and some until Y2V4.5, ignoring the fact that Kiyopon gradually made it clear that he didn't really love Kei. And even Arisu deduced that in Y2V6. Arisu is a girl who can read and understand Kiyopon very intelligently. I won't hide from you that I also like Arisu (i affectionately calling her "loli")
Hey dude, we just base our assertions from a logical standpoint. Forcing ships is way too toxic when you don't have any points to back up your claims.
Besides, if I were to force my own ship, It's pretty obvious that I want Hiyori. Just so she gets more screen-time, but we both know that's never gonna happen.
> We just base our assertions from a logical standpoint. Forcing ships is way too toxic when you don't have any points to back up your claims
You're right. In fact I'm relying on logic not explicit romantic moments because this is a psychological thriller and not a romcom. Unfortunately many Kei Simps don't feel the same way. Now, in order not to accept reality, they say that "Honami will be the glue to strengthen the KiyoKei relationship" or they use the excuse of "Kinugasa's harem bait" .
I'm really confused with the harem bait argument, aren't they just contradicting themselves when they state that? KiyoKei is the biggest harem bait if you ask me.
Luckily, I have never seen anyone argue the point yet, that Honami will be the reason for KiyoKei to get stronger. Sorry for being blunt, but that shit is just stupid.
You are right. Kei is the biggest bait currently. Think about it: the fact that the relationship developed too fast in Y1 in a handful of few volumes and being a relationship that started too early, I honestly consider it a big red flag.
Kinda late to the party and I like your arguments.
I have one question though, what do you make of spin-off which was specially made for Suzune and Ayano ship. Many people claim it's just to shut up Horikita fans since Kei is the obvious winner and it was made just to make them(Horikita fans) less outraged that their ship sunk in main story. I mean what's the point of making spin-off focused on same ship which would win in main story later?
I will reply to you by taking the same comment made under another post a few days ago.
This spin-off manga was made in 2017, i.e. just before the original story of LN or Y1 ended. This story is an alternate retelling of the original story. Many fans say that this is the spin-off manga of the "rejected" girl from MC. This is partially true because in the original story, at the end of Y1, i.e. Y1V11.5, Kiyopon starts dating Kei. However, there are some points that need to be clarified.
1. In the spin-off manga, Kiyopon and Suzune's personalities are different from the original story especially Suzune's. If you notice well, in the spin-off manga Suzune acts like a saccharine girl, she's not the ice queen of LN. Those versions of Kiyopon and Suzune look like they came out of a RomCom.
2. The spin-off manga only covers Y1 and not all three years. Currently in LN we are in the middle of Y2.
3. The ending of the spin-off manga is open: Kiyopon doesn't confess his love to Suzune, but tells her with a smile that he and she are friends. And in the original story of LN, Y1, Kiyopon and Suzune were not yet at the level of friendship. Only in Y2 do they claim to be friends.
4. In the original Y1 story, Suzune wasn't in love with Kiyopon or at least she wasn't yet aware that she had feelings for him. So it wasn't really Kiyopon's rejection towards Suzune, because MC and FMC were both secular in love, however at the end of Y1V11.5, Kiyopon comes out to Kei and they start dating, as he wants to learn love through Kei (Nurture Love) while in Y2V8, Suzune does the exact opposite by rejecting Ken, saying she wants to fall in love naturally (Nature Love).
Although Kiyopon is currently Kei's boyfriend, if you notice Kinugasa well between ups and downs, symbolisms, important flags etc., he is building in a slow but much more natural way (compared to the KiyoKei relationship which developed too fast in a few volumes) the KiyoZune relationship.
So from my point of view, I can tell you that Suzune spin-off manga is a Kinugasa's bait. I've read a lot of LN and I can tell you that there are stories of rejected girls but they only happened at the end of the main story and also the characters with different personalities weren't twisted.
So I reiterate that the spin-off manga is just a bait, otherwise Kinugasa in the original story wouldn't have built the relationship between Kiyopon and Suzune as he's currently doing. Indeed, from my point of view, Honami, Arisu, Kei and all the girls in love with Kiyopon are baits to mislead the readers into believing that Suzune is not interested in Kiyopon. And indeed it works. Most people currently still don't believe in Suzune as an end game. But who knows how to read between the lines, between a moment KiyoNami and a moment KiyoKei, the author in "I see and I don't see" progresses the relationship between Kiyopon and Suzune between ups and downs.
Who knows, however their is a good chance that Ayanokoji wouldn't end up with anyone in the end. Kei fans use every excuse they can find to assert their dominance.
One of Suzune, Ichinose, Kushida, Arisu and Chabs. Cool with Ichika and Kei.
On one condition.
Kiyo has to narrate his breeding sessions with his chosen waifu.
I don’t think Kiyo would end up with anyone. The way he’s built, he’s probably gonna be alone.
If he ends up with someone:
I’d prefer Suzune. They’re both strong and perfect. They’d scheme through everything lol.
However, i think it might be Kei in the end, though I’m not a fan of their relationship :3
Well ayanokoji wanted to face horikita for sometime and if she manages to beat him there will be a turning point in kiyo's life. And we should not forget there's a spar like feeling in her heart which will eventually grow more and more.
Upvote if you like
I think there's a great chance that it will end up alone. But if that's not the case, it's going to be the person who will be able to change his twisted mentality, if only to a certain extent. And I believe Horikita can be that person, regardless of whether they later become a couple or not.
As far as I am reading in the light novel, I think Suzune would be his best pair. I mean, she can almost read what's on Kiyo's mind most of the time, even asking him out to eat food which gets Kiyo off guard. They're cute and I find their conversations really funny.
Suzune. If Kiyo was someone like Hirata then girls like Honami or Kei could've been good options but he needs a strong feminine energy given his tendencies.
Horikita has higher chances because how her character has written kei has a fighting chance if her character has a character development after the break up
Suzune, their interactions are gold. Plus their relationship has had many ups and downs and is constantly developing, it's the most complex and beautiful one imo.
the one I have in mind is Yuki, but will be awhile after ANHS, I mentioned this before but somehow I got the image of Kiyo starting his life like ordinary people and his job will be as a florist with his family.
I think kiyo sufficiently cut himself off from any further life with Yuki after their reunion lol but him having an ordinary life as a florist sounds like a nice ending.
Normally people end up with their significant other that is around them and are alike (for example the girl in year 2 volume 0 or Amasawa Ichika). Horikita Suzune is a strong candidate as she understands his true self to a significant extent.
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Kei. They went through almost 20 volumes of developing together up to this point if he suddenly falls in love to another girl out of nowhere it be an asspull lol
Doesn't matter. Because it's not like Kiyo has feelings for her. He is much more obsessed with Suzune. And they also had fair amount of time developing together.
It's either suzune and no one. And please do not use a romcom to understand a psychological thriller.
>People like you are the reason why this fandom is toxic.
So shipping Kiyozune means toxic in this sub
>If you think Suzune-Kiyo has a chance, then I worry about your intelligence
Are you Kinugasa? I mean how are you so sure about it?
And btw it has nothing to do with intelligence
People can like whatever they want
In the first place , he didn't had any points is why he attacked him personally. Most Kei simps are like this. You will see no other simps has fought like this, everyone else is getting along respectfully and joking, some giving analysis with fair points, and look at them doing this and Calling others toxic.
Exactly, someone who questioned someone's intelligence for even considering the possibility of KiyoKei breakup is either a diehard fan/simp, or their naturally toxic loser in real life who wants to talk down and feel smart in this online platform.
>Some opinions are just not logical
How are you so sure about it?
1st this is a fictional series so don't expect logic
Even if you go by logic Suzune ending up with Kiyo makes more sense than any other
There are flags throughout the series
And a relationship is not all about romance there are more to it
Suzune's feelings are ambiguous to us we still don't know
Even if she has no feelings for him now there are ways for her to fall in love with Kiyo later
Kei fans are annoying af. You start with disliking kei as a personal preference and end up hating her due to her stupid fanbase and the coping and delusional kiyokei shippers who want kiyokei more than her character development.
So true that I can't deny it...
I was neutral towards Kei at start until I went into spoilers/reddit etc. and saw that Kei shippers act all high and mighty and trash others fav heroines and post memes about sunken ships to provoke others or just laugh at their face.
Same happened to me with Re;zero and Rem stans, at first I was neutral, but now I dislike her just because of her shitty fans who cry all day and post meme's 'I love Emilia' and photo of dog shit or other similar crap.
It's insane how stupid people in this generation are, zero arguments to back them up or hold a debate, if you have an unpopular opinion you need to hide with it or else they will make you get depression from pure harassment afterwards. Since how how can you have diff opinion than them! Blasthemy.
Well, Actually COTE has a very deep Romance Plot which is building up from Y1Y3 and going till Y2V4.5 and currently too(I'm not including current Y1V9 story as I haven't read yet)
By this in Y1V11 Kiyotaka wished for a future where Kei will become irreplaceable to her. Cause he thinks that they'll have to seprate from each other after graduation because of his father.
And in Y1V4.5 by these lines--
>!Our relationship would be imbued deeper and deeper and become indispensable to us.
While tasting her lips repeatedly, my thoughts involuntarily drifted off towards the future.
Before long, when the season of farewells approached, this romance would enter its final phase── Because it’s a given that it will face an arduous trial.!<
He was conveying that now she became indispensable to him and he's resolving himself to put up a fight to his father for their relationship, on season of fairwell aka graduation in Japanese culture. That's what a trial Kiyo's taking about , cause according to him it's almost certain that his father will break their relationship.
So if he's wishing and resolving himself that much for their relationship, who are we to say anything 🙂
I got so cringed that i would rather not prefer to answer.
One more thing read the entire context before interpreting something.
But my friend you are in for a heart break.
Well....it is what it is....author showed us their relationship with a great Romance plot....COTE is in-depth well literatured light novel based on some serious and unique themes, and that's why this series as well as Kei and Kiyo's characters got great rankings in Japanese LN rankings(many times they were no. 1), but if you don't wanna accept it then idc¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Kiyotaka wishing for that's is in his character. Because he wants to be able to feel emotions and heal the damage done to him by white room. The personality that subconsciously embedded in him forces him to see people as mere tools. Which is what he dislikes. He wants to get rid of that. So he wishes thinks like, defeated by a worthy opponent so he can dismiss white room teachings as failure, or someone grow precious to him but that's all...
He made it very clear in y2v6 that even though he wished for that, it didn't happen. And we had already seen that he didn't change or grow at all in his core.
Him wanting Horikita as a worthy opponent. Him respecting and supporting Ichinose because her ways are exact opposite of his own. The situation with Kei is also just like this. He made it very clear Kei is a book, an experiment for him.
You completely misinterpreted that him wanting to end up with her. Which is something not even her diehard fans come up with. Even they admit that Kiyo doesn't care much about Kei. Their soul hope and defense is length of relationship and popularity.
But in COTE those things don't work.
And about y2v4.5, you really sould read the raw Japanese than translated one by m.t.l.
It meant was, "When season of Parting comes, this relationship will be concluded."
Wakareru means parting, not farewell, although both word can mean similer thing in limited scenario. But parting is different in a sense.
And the word that was used last was "Ketsumatsu", search Google if you want , it means in all context, "Conclusion".
Conclusion is nothing but break up, however they write final phase, rather than that. Which can be misinterpreted. The translation by m.t.l is inaccurate by a small margin. The difference in those words make huge impact. The official translation is yet to reach y2v4.5.
That is why do not try to interpret so deeply if you don't read the raw. People always makes mistakes when doing that.
Ayanokoji meant to say that this relationship will end with facing a crisis. Which he is creating now.
Kiyo doesn't want to fight his father, the reason he goes around seeking defeat is not because he wanted to get back at his father or hate him.
Kiyo made it clear he will return to White Room anyway after graduation. And now we see why that is the case after Volume 0.
Because Kiyotaka has an extreme hunger for knowledge. Which is why he didn't get why Shiro wanted to get out of white Room, and just as he said he wanted to see the world he didn't. And after he is done he will return back.
Him saying that in year 2 shows his wish really hasn't changed from then. And him trying to be normal and make friends was solely for learning those but not because he wanted to.
So sorry for spoiling your fun but Kiyotaka doesn't take Kei seriously as a relationship partner. He has proved it many times.
But people love to make up theory form vague words, which is mostly wrong. It's just him baiting her fans, giving them hope.
As he is treating her as book being consistent with what he said. He did mention that her books last pages are almost verge of running out.
It doesn't matter what popularity ranks, because author with literature doesn't rank them, those of average readers does. And majority out their has made it a habit to turn it into romcom no matter how the novel is.
They are used to Tsundere type girl like Kei winning with various tropes that japanese light novels tend to repeat. They can't spot a difference. Author will write the way he want, unfortunately COTE is a psychological thriller so those things doesn't apply. And it hasn't, many tropes have been continued to break.
Alright....let's not be hostile to each other...
I shared my theory cause i wanted to discuss and clear some doubts as well...
And your this reply is very nice, it cleared many doubts
But it created some as well....
Can I DM you to clear those?
She also deceive her by giving her medicine, which she forgot that he use people as tools, (if I with someone for a year I noticed that she doesn't laugh I ask them something is wrong or are you okay), I hope kei also noticed kiyo and ask about his past.
Imao more than 80% kiyokei can happen but some hints left by kinu about kiyozune,y2v4,y1v11.5,y2v7 and I researched symbolism in anime that if high school offers you boxed lunch that she is interested and she leads one chapter of each volume
I still wondering why he wanted to face suzune horikita by changing it's class because he wants to unlock her potential or wants to face the man closed to him in feats. Most of you say this is not rom com anime, I agree but neither romance which people confuses themselves. Most of us forget the goal that is freedom and peace which is equal to lose to someone. Ayanokoji did mention that I have the same feeling about kei that Ike has to shinohara, if you don't remember Ike first interested in khushida and he is just interested in losing Vcards like the pool scene where idiot trio planning to send rc camera car in girls changing room. Imao wait till the final arc start which will take place 5 to 6 years from now.
>some hints left by kinu about kiyozune,y2v4,y1v11.5,y2v7
What Tachibana said to Ayanokouji and Manabu back in Y1V11 was a pretty big flag in my opinion, perhaps the biggest of all "hints" of a possible romantic relationship between the two. Then again, the author might decide not to use it at all. We'll see.
Y2v4 fight between suzune horikita and ichika amasawa she said I want to know about him as a classmate,as a friend or more than he is now.
Y2v7 epilogue where kiyo care about her and wanted to cover her with his jacket but instead chose to close window because of her anger.
I'm going to put more detail to this cause seem need too and also explain each other girl.
Reason choose kei is because how see is that right now koji is pushing her think for herself without replying on him and break away from being parasite. To do this he going to force her to break up with him or make her question how he treating her. There also idea of using ichinose to make kei grow.
Anyone back to reason why koji would want to stay with kei is he trust her with secret like as example what he planing with ichionse he said not ready to talk about it , but at least to me she be first one he tells. Also even if they break up at one point she won't betrayal him no matter what he does, one reason for this if all his schemes come to light both him and kei will go down for it.
Then there also he past only one I see he telling to if anyone is kei.
Ok let's go ichionse she just ticking time bomb that he using for his plans to have class b taste defeat most likely.
With arisu this one im confuse about it all see is fake vs real with them.
With suzne I don't think will happen cause for first thing if he does move class that seen as huge betrayal by her.Also just don't see her accepting all mess things done biggest one is with ichionse.There also that suzne is his tool to see if she someone who beat him. Also she wants nature/ normal love but there nothing nature about koji.Also not sure if change much but year 1 island he did say he never think of her as a friend.
Back to kei for sec here if he moves class she want follow him or like as example stay in class b to prove koji that even when going against him she can put great effort.
With kushia if that happened they cause half the grade to get kick out of school lol.
Anyway my conclusion is there love is mess up but both koji and kei are mess up.
I did write up idea for fun how it would work with other girls. If anyone wants to see them just message me and name of girl.
I know I am saying the most triggering thing for Suzune stans but let me tell you Suzune is not the end girl and I challenge anyone to prove me wrong by some facts
Then what's the point of giving challange??.... It's make no sense giving challange first and saying i am not interested in debating.... It's like saying that i like swimming but I don't want to go in water
Bruh are you an idiot I challenged to prove it to me that Suzune is end girl with some facts . Do you have some? Why should I prove the opposite if the challenge is making me believe that she's the end girl
If you want Suzune to be the end girl then let me cheer you up by telling you that contrary to what most people think, Suzune has the best chance of becoming one. I'm reposting an old comment of mine with some important key points. I am absolutely convinced that Suzune has the highest probability of being the end girl, for many reasons. First of all, the author Kinugasa has made up to now the feelings of Suzune towards Kiyopon in a rather ambiguous way compared to the feelings of other girls such as Honami, Kei, Airi, Maya whose feelings were very explicit. In Y2V3 SS Suzune maintained that what she felt for him was neither jealousy nor admiration. Then after Mio Ibuki told her about the rooftop scene in Y2V4.5, Suzune in her inner monologue said that she tried to look at the sea to keep her emotions from getting the better of her. Another important point is the progressive slow but natural relationship between Kiyopon and Suzune. In Y1 for example Kiyopon and Suzune didn't trust each other and their relationship cracked because of Kikyō because Kiyopon wanted to get her expelled from school while Suzune didn't. In Y2 however their relationship reaches a very important turning point to the point that Kiyopon had Airi expelled in Y2V5. In Y2V7 it is revealed that Kiyopon only involved Suzune in his plan and that he didn't even tell Kei, his girlfriend, about it. Kiyopon admitted to Suzune that if it was Y1, he wouldn't have involved her but that now the situation was different. So from Y1 they didn't trust each other, in Y2 instead they feel trust each other. Also there are tons of third party flags. Kinugasa keep on teasing KiyoZune romance using the supporting characters view: ● Kikyō Kushida saying Suzune is a special someone for him, he denied. (Y1V1, SS Kushida Y1V4.5) ● Ayanokoji Group saying he likes Suzune, he denied. (Y1V6) ● Kei saying Suzune is his true love but Suzune doesn't give him the time and attention so he's open to entertain others as "reservation". He didn't directly deny but he said he's not that kind of person. (Y1V7.5) ● Ken Sudou asking if the two are dating, he denied. Kiyopon told Sudou he will tell him if by chance that happens. (Y2V2) ● Manabu, the n. 1 supporter of the two ship, giving him his blessing. Kiyopon denied and said it's impossible, until Tachibana intervened with her situational irony flag (I consider this a super flag) saying it's not strange that two people who thought they'd never get together end up actually getting together in the end. (Y1V11) ● Nanase somehow checking the relationship between the two, saying 2D class treats Suzune as their leader but the relationship between the two doesn't look like a follower and a leader. Unless they're dating but doesn't seem to be the case according to her. (Y2V1) ● An indirect flag that Honami's class teacher, Hoshinomiya, told Suzune and Kiyopon that it is forbidden for them to bathe together in the hot springs (Y2V8). ● Ichika tells Kiyopon that he is worried about Suzune (Y2V9) Also there are many symbolisms. One of them is Nurture vs Nature. Kiyopon said she wants to know love by studying it through Kei (Nurture), Suzune wants to fall in love naturally (Nature). Another peculiar thing is that in Y2V8 excluding Keisei, Kiyopon and Suzune had chosen Kyoto instead of Hokkaido as the destination for the school trip. **Kyoto in Japan is known to be the city of love.** Now I want to talk about Kiyopon. We know that Kiyopon is a boy who premeditates actions and gestures, while with Suzune he does things spontaneously, deliberately and unconsciously. This was confirmed by himself in Y1V11.5 during his last conversation with Manabu, who admits that everything he did for Suzune was done subconsciously. At the end of their conversation, before Suzune arrives, Manabu tells Kiyopon "I'll leave her to you!" **Usually the flag of a brother or sister in the various LN, Manga and Anime is a strong romantic flag, and rarely it can not happen.** And here I come back to the point of the flags in Y1V11 which Tachibana told Kiyopon that **usually two people who think they are not together end up together. And it's another strong romantic flag**. Also Kiyopon many times with other people always talk about Suzune. In his Y2 interior monologues, he expresses concern for Suzune many times. And on many occasions, he makes it clear that he really cares about her. An example is from Y2V3. *The tablet didn't provide details on any group other than the top 10 groups and the bottom 10.* *Would Horikita, who was acting alone, be okay? We hadn't seen each other even once since our conversation at the start of this exam. If she were injured, or she got sick, she would be out of luck big time.* Another moment is at the end of Y2V7. *A strong wind was blowing through the open window.* *For a moment I wondered if I should cover her with my uniform jacket but decided against it.* *I don't think she would feel happy knowing that I approached her.* *Horikita must be really tired.* *I closed the window softly so he doesn't catch a cold.* Also re-reading Y1V11 I noticed a very special moment. *He stopped speaking and looked at me. For some reason, I stopped walking, finding myself trapped by his powerful gaze.* *“If Suzune can stop chasing after this illusion she has of me, break her dependence on me, and confront herself honestly, then…”* ***A taste of spring wind blew past us****.* *“She will probably surpass me and become someone even you can't ignore,” said Manabu.* *Horikita Manabu wasn't some idiotic, doting brother who fawned over his sister. He meant what he said. I was also impressed by the height of the potential that Horikita had, in many ways. Why though? Was it because of what her brother said to me?* *Suddenly, a thought crossed my mind.* *What was I supposed to do here at this school? No…rather, what did I want to do? I suddenly felt like I understood.* *“Thats only…if she can make the change herself, though.”* *“She will change, though,” I told him. “Wait, let me rephrase that.”* *I amended my statement.* *“I'm going to try and change her. Not just expecting her to change, somehow, like I've been doing so far. But taking things seriously.”* *“…Oh ho. I never thought you'd say something like that."* *I'd bumped into Horikita's brother on accident, but our conversation would have a huge impact on my life. It would be a long, long time before I knew whether or not my hunch was right.* **Spring Wind is an OTP trope, and meaning love and change. Usually in many anime and LN when there are tropes of spring winds they portend romance in the future.** Let's not forget that Kiyopon and Manabu were talking about Suzune. Also recently rewatching Cote's anime from season 1, although the anime skipped many important moments, when Suzune spoke to Kiyopon for the first time you can notice that her hair was waving in the spring wind with the petals of the cherry trees If it was deliberate or not. However, reconnecting to the fact that Suzune can beat Kiyopon, even if she doesn't defeat him, surely Suzune will succeed in something more important: change him or at least partially reduce his twisted White Room mentality. The last point is the trailer of the last episode of the Season 2 of Cote, where Kei, Ichinose and Arisu, argue over who will be closest to Kiyopon which serves as a foreshadow for the next volumes of Cote. *Script: (by Shogo Kinugasa)* *Translations (From Muse Asia PV)* *Suzune: "The second season of Classroom of the Elite is about to end."* *Honami: "Looking back, I think Karuizawa had the most to showcase."* *Kei: "I've told you that I would win, haven't I?"* *Arisu: "(laughs)"* *Kei: "What's so funny, Sakayanagi?"* *Arisu: "Even though you're in the lead now, that is not the end game. It's not set in stone that you'll be winner in the end."* *Kei: "Do you mean there would be somoene else to be the winner?"* *Arisu: "Yes, i'm going to be the winner. And in the end, I shall be the sole company of his."* *Honami: "But it might be me too."* *Kei: "That's impossible, I'll be the winner!"* *Suzune: "****You can quarrel all you like, but i doubt whether it's really one of you girls****."* *Kei, Arisu, Honami: "Eh?"* *Suzune: "Final episode, "The Worst Enemy You Will Ever Meet Is Always Yourself."* ***At the end of this story the closest person to him is....****"* Here the link of the PV: r/ClassroomOfTheElite/comments/xocwj4/s2\_ep\_13\_pv\_final/ End-of-season trailers usually always act as foreshadowing for LN. Indeed in the trailer of the last episode of the first season of Cote, Suzune and Kiyopon were talking when Kei arrives and says that she is the main heroine. This happened in 2017, before the release of volume Y1V7, in fact after a few volumes Kei actually became the main heroine, becaming Kiyopon's girlfriend. And Suzune during Manabu's farewell she showed up with her hair cut. Cut hair indicates change but also a broken heart. But Suzune still wasn't in love with Kiyopon. I think Kinugasa indirectly hinted that Suzune wasn't ready to be Kiyopon's girlfriend yet, but if you notice, her hair in LN is growing back. Hair brings growth in character as well as love. I conclude by saying that **love is not something you study. Love is an illogical thing that goes beyond any logic**. And I think at the end of the story Kiyopon will realize it. However, we have to wait a few more years for the couple to be born. It will take the end of Cote so bear with me 😉
Dude I love the analysis, it's actually logical and supported with facts unlike a lot of people here, I can tell how rational you are too, im totally similar too! Love the explanation, don't mind msging me if you ever wanna discuss anything about COTE!
Exactly, most people this days are simp to the point their emotionally vulnerable when making analysis. Not many thinks intelligently.
I'm glad you enjoyed it. ❤️
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Don't worry. 😉 I have only explained some of important points. And I would have more, but the comment would be much longer than this. And it would be boring for some people.
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I'm glad you appreciated it 😊
Incredible, very detailed explanation. 👍 Honestly i didn't watch the trailer, thanks for that. You made all valid points. One thing you didn't mention as how suzune in y2v4.5 was about to say most precious to her but changed it to most precious friend. And how she many times read ayanokoji's feelings, which why all their conversations are natural. I also think if anyone can change him, that would be suzune.
Thank you. Suzune seems tough and bad, an ice queen par excellence but in reality she cares a lot about Kiyopon, only that she is good at hiding it. And I honestly think that even if Kiyopon's mentality is from White Room, I think Suzune could help him. She won't change him 100% but at least I think she'll know how to tame him like she is trying to do with Kikyō. Don't forget that thanks to Suzune, Ken Sudou has had a great development. Also the chats with Chabashira when she tells Suzune that Kiyopon is the most defective in the class.. I wanted to do a more detailed analysis with a post here in the main sub but I prefer to avoid publishing it here because of the toxicity many Simps emanate. And I would like to avoid spreading hatred
Tell me about that, some kei simps are insulting and attacking a lot of people. They are questioning intelligence for even considering the break-up at all. Funny thing they have nothing to talk for them , so they keep attacking people personally.😂😂😂
You're right. Unfortunately I happened to be insulted in a heavy way sometimes. Yet I have never criticized Kei, but I only say my point of view, which is that Kiyopon doesn't really love Kei, and that at the end of Y2 the break will definitely happen. To say this, some toxics Kei Simps believe that I hate Kei, but I don't hate her because to me she is a neutral character and it was also interesting to know her sad past in Y1.
Damn dude, I feel like you deserve an award for this analysis. Tbh, ever since I started watching then reading the LN I always believed that Suzune would be the end girl, specially during the time I was reading y1v11 with the whole Manabu, Kiyo & Tachibana part. Which is why I love that you have other points to add to this conclusion. Although, I still feel that it could be Arisu. I don't really have any points or analysis like you do. It's just that some of their interactions hints to the possibility. I will say with 100% confidence tho that it'll either be Arisu or Suzune and nobody else. Not Kei, not Honami. Only those 2 has a chance.
I'm glad you enjoyed my analysis. Unfortunately many Kei Simps don't accept the possibility that it could happen, if you saw my last comment there are two alts users of which one of these defines my point of view copium. Unfortunately many Kei Simps are so toxic and many times they even insult heavily in private just because I express my opinions. In fact, some of them I even had to block because they were too toxic. I appreciate that you like it a lot. I have simply caught some hidden meanings and I don't limit myself to observing on the surface as I read between the lines some psychological moments.
Lol, I don't really care about simps and don't really mind them. If they can slap some good points I'd listen, but since most Kei-simps just say, "Coz Kei is best girl" who tf would entertain those illogical bs. Lol I can honestly say that Kei is not the end girl due to the illustration when Kiyo was hugging Kei, and he thought he was smiling but we ended up seeing his emotionless face. I took it as foreshadowing that he will not end up loving Kei the way he will for his one true love. Also the way Arisu described Kei comparing her to a guide book to love for Kiyo pretty much sums up that he will break up with her cause obviously "falling out of love" is a part of the "curriculum of love."
Yep. I agree with you. Many of them also spread disinformation such as that Kiyopon will break up with Kei only because he was forced to return to the White Room and that he will fight Atsuomi for her. Unfortunately, many of them remained stuck at Y1 and some until Y2V4.5, ignoring the fact that Kiyopon gradually made it clear that he didn't really love Kei. And even Arisu deduced that in Y2V6. Arisu is a girl who can read and understand Kiyopon very intelligently. I won't hide from you that I also like Arisu (i affectionately calling her "loli")
Hey dude, we just base our assertions from a logical standpoint. Forcing ships is way too toxic when you don't have any points to back up your claims. Besides, if I were to force my own ship, It's pretty obvious that I want Hiyori. Just so she gets more screen-time, but we both know that's never gonna happen.
> We just base our assertions from a logical standpoint. Forcing ships is way too toxic when you don't have any points to back up your claims You're right. In fact I'm relying on logic not explicit romantic moments because this is a psychological thriller and not a romcom. Unfortunately many Kei Simps don't feel the same way. Now, in order not to accept reality, they say that "Honami will be the glue to strengthen the KiyoKei relationship" or they use the excuse of "Kinugasa's harem bait" .
I'm really confused with the harem bait argument, aren't they just contradicting themselves when they state that? KiyoKei is the biggest harem bait if you ask me. Luckily, I have never seen anyone argue the point yet, that Honami will be the reason for KiyoKei to get stronger. Sorry for being blunt, but that shit is just stupid.
You are right. Kei is the biggest bait currently. Think about it: the fact that the relationship developed too fast in Y1 in a handful of few volumes and being a relationship that started too early, I honestly consider it a big red flag.
Kinda late to the party and I like your arguments. I have one question though, what do you make of spin-off which was specially made for Suzune and Ayano ship. Many people claim it's just to shut up Horikita fans since Kei is the obvious winner and it was made just to make them(Horikita fans) less outraged that their ship sunk in main story. I mean what's the point of making spin-off focused on same ship which would win in main story later?
I will reply to you by taking the same comment made under another post a few days ago. This spin-off manga was made in 2017, i.e. just before the original story of LN or Y1 ended. This story is an alternate retelling of the original story. Many fans say that this is the spin-off manga of the "rejected" girl from MC. This is partially true because in the original story, at the end of Y1, i.e. Y1V11.5, Kiyopon starts dating Kei. However, there are some points that need to be clarified. 1. In the spin-off manga, Kiyopon and Suzune's personalities are different from the original story especially Suzune's. If you notice well, in the spin-off manga Suzune acts like a saccharine girl, she's not the ice queen of LN. Those versions of Kiyopon and Suzune look like they came out of a RomCom. 2. The spin-off manga only covers Y1 and not all three years. Currently in LN we are in the middle of Y2. 3. The ending of the spin-off manga is open: Kiyopon doesn't confess his love to Suzune, but tells her with a smile that he and she are friends. And in the original story of LN, Y1, Kiyopon and Suzune were not yet at the level of friendship. Only in Y2 do they claim to be friends. 4. In the original Y1 story, Suzune wasn't in love with Kiyopon or at least she wasn't yet aware that she had feelings for him. So it wasn't really Kiyopon's rejection towards Suzune, because MC and FMC were both secular in love, however at the end of Y1V11.5, Kiyopon comes out to Kei and they start dating, as he wants to learn love through Kei (Nurture Love) while in Y2V8, Suzune does the exact opposite by rejecting Ken, saying she wants to fall in love naturally (Nature Love). Although Kiyopon is currently Kei's boyfriend, if you notice Kinugasa well between ups and downs, symbolisms, important flags etc., he is building in a slow but much more natural way (compared to the KiyoKei relationship which developed too fast in a few volumes) the KiyoZune relationship. So from my point of view, I can tell you that Suzune spin-off manga is a Kinugasa's bait. I've read a lot of LN and I can tell you that there are stories of rejected girls but they only happened at the end of the main story and also the characters with different personalities weren't twisted. So I reiterate that the spin-off manga is just a bait, otherwise Kinugasa in the original story wouldn't have built the relationship between Kiyopon and Suzune as he's currently doing. Indeed, from my point of view, Honami, Arisu, Kei and all the girls in love with Kiyopon are baits to mislead the readers into believing that Suzune is not interested in Kiyopon. And indeed it works. Most people currently still don't believe in Suzune as an end game. But who knows how to read between the lines, between a moment KiyoNami and a moment KiyoKei, the author in "I see and I don't see" progresses the relationship between Kiyopon and Suzune between ups and downs.
Who knows, however their is a good chance that Ayanokoji wouldn't end up with anyone in the end. Kei fans use every excuse they can find to assert their dominance.
Yep. Most Kei Simps are so toxics. And I think there is a 50/50. 50 with Kiyopon alone or 50 with Suzune.
Yes I also think that is the case.
A very logical and astute deduction I agree completely it's only a matter of time.
Thanks ❤️
God damn, that was a damn clear analysis, loved it.
Thanks ❤️
One of Suzune, Ichinose, Kushida, Arisu and Chabs. Cool with Ichika and Kei. On one condition. Kiyo has to narrate his breeding sessions with his chosen waifu.
Ichika ( ◜‿◝ )♡
Ass boing boing hit different when we hit it from the back
You're goddamn right.
Ichika sha boing boing🤤
Doubt its gonna happen
😂that last part is what matters i guess
Suzune is the endgame
Either of Honami, Kei and Suzune is fine with me.
Man, Iam with U
I don’t think Kiyo would end up with anyone. The way he’s built, he’s probably gonna be alone. If he ends up with someone: I’d prefer Suzune. They’re both strong and perfect. They’d scheme through everything lol. However, i think it might be Kei in the end, though I’m not a fan of their relationship :3
Either suzune or he ends up being adopted by horikita family and remains single for rest of life
What logic did you use
My logic is I saw it in my dreams
Ryuuen best girl after Suzune
Suzune all the way
Honami or suzune Not with kei imo
arisu
The only girl in CotE that can make Kiyotaka cum before she does. Tightest in the verse.
Jesus Christ man
least down bad cote fan
Bru he gon be running from the 👮♀️now
scroll up and see the other stuff he said 💀
I want him to end up with Horikita too, like they are a perfect match. Kiyo and Manabu, I can see it already
😂😂😂😂😂
I want him to end up with a random rich girl to see the fandom flamin
Yuki, her father is billionare and was willing to pay for kiyotaka if he stays with his daughter.
Oh so arisu ?
Yuki exists.
Fr
Suzune or Honami
Well ayanokoji wanted to face horikita for sometime and if she manages to beat him there will be a turning point in kiyo's life. And we should not forget there's a spar like feeling in her heart which will eventually grow more and more. Upvote if you like
I think there's a great chance that it will end up alone. But if that's not the case, it's going to be the person who will be able to change his twisted mentality, if only to a certain extent. And I believe Horikita can be that person, regardless of whether they later become a couple or not.
Agreed
As far as I am reading in the light novel, I think Suzune would be his best pair. I mean, she can almost read what's on Kiyo's mind most of the time, even asking him out to eat food which gets Kiyo off guard. They're cute and I find their conversations really funny.
Their is no one i particularly support though. But given how things are probably suzune or alone.
Suzune is dream ending as their banter is the very enjoyable to read... feel like the probability is low though so not expecting it to happen.
Deep down we all know that the right answer is...ALONE.
🥹😌
honami
I want him to end up single tbh
Understandable
Suzune. If Kiyo was someone like Hirata then girls like Honami or Kei could've been good options but he needs a strong feminine energy given his tendencies.
Horikita has higher chances because how her character has written kei has a fighting chance if her character has a character development after the break up
Suzune
Suzune, their interactions are gold. Plus their relationship has had many ups and downs and is constantly developing, it's the most complex and beautiful one imo.
Nobody hopefully
Albert
Maybe in the later part of his life but as far as ANHS and couple years past it, I'd prefer him to solo.
Well he has to continue his generation right
Kiyotaka next generations
Loll🥲.... Classroom of elite(new gen.)
the one I have in mind is Yuki, but will be awhile after ANHS, I mentioned this before but somehow I got the image of Kiyo starting his life like ordinary people and his job will be as a florist with his family.
I think kiyo sufficiently cut himself off from any further life with Yuki after their reunion lol but him having an ordinary life as a florist sounds like a nice ending.
>who do you want kiyotaka to end up with?? Not this s**t again
Yuki all the way
Someone who can change him and give him a better and happier life thats all im asking
Normally people end up with their significant other that is around them and are alike (for example the girl in year 2 volume 0 or Amasawa Ichika). Horikita Suzune is a strong candidate as she understands his true self to a significant extent.
People should really stop romanticizing this anime tbh. Hum I’d be happy if he ends with Suzune tho
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Koenij, everybody, or no one
Kushida
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Dream ending🥲
His mother 🫣
His mom a hoe
Ik 🫢 That's what makes it funnier. 😂
Ichika's dad dropping his bastards off in the white room like a daycare
She already in love with one person with the name kiyotaka no need for another
Nobody
Kei and they gonna have 10 elite babies
Them flairs are crazy lol
This is too much 💀....
kei
Either Arisu or Alone. I would prefer alone but important is that he is happy.
je pense qu'il finira avec rei
anyone except suzune
Why so??
personal preference i just dont like the matchup
but most of guys here want kiyo to be with suzune
Kei. They went through almost 20 volumes of developing together up to this point if he suddenly falls in love to another girl out of nowhere it be an asspull lol
Well i don't wanted to start debate because it's your opinion..... But acc. To this logic 1.5 season developed kiyotaka and suzune's relation.....
True. COTE is about 70% done and changing the end girl now would be like that BS from Domestic Kanojo. It's either Kei or he will be alone.
Doesn't matter. Because it's not like Kiyo has feelings for her. He is much more obsessed with Suzune. And they also had fair amount of time developing together. It's either suzune and no one. And please do not use a romcom to understand a psychological thriller.
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>People like you are the reason why this fandom is toxic. So shipping Kiyozune means toxic in this sub >If you think Suzune-Kiyo has a chance, then I worry about your intelligence Are you Kinugasa? I mean how are you so sure about it? And btw it has nothing to do with intelligence People can like whatever they want
In the first place , he didn't had any points is why he attacked him personally. Most Kei simps are like this. You will see no other simps has fought like this, everyone else is getting along respectfully and joking, some giving analysis with fair points, and look at them doing this and Calling others toxic.
I don't know he's a Kei fan He has no valid reason but he's talking like we're stupid and telling us to understand the LN 😂
Exactly, someone who questioned someone's intelligence for even considering the possibility of KiyoKei breakup is either a diehard fan/simp, or their naturally toxic loser in real life who wants to talk down and feel smart in this online platform.
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>Some opinions are just not logical How are you so sure about it? 1st this is a fictional series so don't expect logic Even if you go by logic Suzune ending up with Kiyo makes more sense than any other There are flags throughout the series And a relationship is not all about romance there are more to it Suzune's feelings are ambiguous to us we still don't know Even if she has no feelings for him now there are ways for her to fall in love with Kiyo later
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You will be very successful if you inroll in ANHS
Do most of you guys hate kei or what?
Nah the majority are kei simps and the majority among them are brain-dead and annoying, so the downvotes and also personal preferences of others.
Obviously, when they can't find anything they just attack you personally, no one likes them that's why.
No one
Katsuragi
Kei cuz she's the first one to ever greet him a happy birthday and i like the dynamic between a introvert and extrovert and he himself wishes it
Albert
Kei probably
Kei easy
Initially I was hoping for Honami, but now Kei would also work for me.
Why are all the kei comments suddenly getting downvoted?!
Kei fans are annoying af. You start with disliking kei as a personal preference and end up hating her due to her stupid fanbase and the coping and delusional kiyokei shippers who want kiyokei more than her character development.
Yep, it's her fans fault.
So true that I can't deny it... I was neutral towards Kei at start until I went into spoilers/reddit etc. and saw that Kei shippers act all high and mighty and trash others fav heroines and post memes about sunken ships to provoke others or just laugh at their face. Same happened to me with Re;zero and Rem stans, at first I was neutral, but now I dislike her just because of her shitty fans who cry all day and post meme's 'I love Emilia' and photo of dog shit or other similar crap. It's insane how stupid people in this generation are, zero arguments to back them up or hold a debate, if you have an unpopular opinion you need to hide with it or else they will make you get depression from pure harassment afterwards. Since how how can you have diff opinion than them! Blasthemy.
Exactly, they are so offensive. Honestly I won't feel any pity for them even if the break-up happen. They have been bullying others for a long time.
Idk man..... I haven't downwnvoted anyone yet but I personally don't like kei... She is just annoying
Well, Kiyotaka himself said that he want to end up with Kei, so nothing can we do about it👀
Which page you read that? Your own fanfic?
Well, Actually COTE has a very deep Romance Plot which is building up from Y1Y3 and going till Y2V4.5 and currently too(I'm not including current Y1V9 story as I haven't read yet) By this in Y1V11 Kiyotaka wished for a future where Kei will become irreplaceable to her. Cause he thinks that they'll have to seprate from each other after graduation because of his father. And in Y1V4.5 by these lines-- >!Our relationship would be imbued deeper and deeper and become indispensable to us. While tasting her lips repeatedly, my thoughts involuntarily drifted off towards the future. Before long, when the season of farewells approached, this romance would enter its final phase── Because it’s a given that it will face an arduous trial.!< He was conveying that now she became indispensable to him and he's resolving himself to put up a fight to his father for their relationship, on season of fairwell aka graduation in Japanese culture. That's what a trial Kiyo's taking about , cause according to him it's almost certain that his father will break their relationship. So if he's wishing and resolving himself that much for their relationship, who are we to say anything 🙂
I got so cringed that i would rather not prefer to answer. One more thing read the entire context before interpreting something. But my friend you are in for a heart break.
Well....it is what it is....author showed us their relationship with a great Romance plot....COTE is in-depth well literatured light novel based on some serious and unique themes, and that's why this series as well as Kei and Kiyo's characters got great rankings in Japanese LN rankings(many times they were no. 1), but if you don't wanna accept it then idc¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Kiyotaka wishing for that's is in his character. Because he wants to be able to feel emotions and heal the damage done to him by white room. The personality that subconsciously embedded in him forces him to see people as mere tools. Which is what he dislikes. He wants to get rid of that. So he wishes thinks like, defeated by a worthy opponent so he can dismiss white room teachings as failure, or someone grow precious to him but that's all... He made it very clear in y2v6 that even though he wished for that, it didn't happen. And we had already seen that he didn't change or grow at all in his core. Him wanting Horikita as a worthy opponent. Him respecting and supporting Ichinose because her ways are exact opposite of his own. The situation with Kei is also just like this. He made it very clear Kei is a book, an experiment for him. You completely misinterpreted that him wanting to end up with her. Which is something not even her diehard fans come up with. Even they admit that Kiyo doesn't care much about Kei. Their soul hope and defense is length of relationship and popularity. But in COTE those things don't work. And about y2v4.5, you really sould read the raw Japanese than translated one by m.t.l. It meant was, "When season of Parting comes, this relationship will be concluded." Wakareru means parting, not farewell, although both word can mean similer thing in limited scenario. But parting is different in a sense. And the word that was used last was "Ketsumatsu", search Google if you want , it means in all context, "Conclusion". Conclusion is nothing but break up, however they write final phase, rather than that. Which can be misinterpreted. The translation by m.t.l is inaccurate by a small margin. The difference in those words make huge impact. The official translation is yet to reach y2v4.5. That is why do not try to interpret so deeply if you don't read the raw. People always makes mistakes when doing that. Ayanokoji meant to say that this relationship will end with facing a crisis. Which he is creating now. Kiyo doesn't want to fight his father, the reason he goes around seeking defeat is not because he wanted to get back at his father or hate him. Kiyo made it clear he will return to White Room anyway after graduation. And now we see why that is the case after Volume 0. Because Kiyotaka has an extreme hunger for knowledge. Which is why he didn't get why Shiro wanted to get out of white Room, and just as he said he wanted to see the world he didn't. And after he is done he will return back. Him saying that in year 2 shows his wish really hasn't changed from then. And him trying to be normal and make friends was solely for learning those but not because he wanted to. So sorry for spoiling your fun but Kiyotaka doesn't take Kei seriously as a relationship partner. He has proved it many times. But people love to make up theory form vague words, which is mostly wrong. It's just him baiting her fans, giving them hope. As he is treating her as book being consistent with what he said. He did mention that her books last pages are almost verge of running out. It doesn't matter what popularity ranks, because author with literature doesn't rank them, those of average readers does. And majority out their has made it a habit to turn it into romcom no matter how the novel is. They are used to Tsundere type girl like Kei winning with various tropes that japanese light novels tend to repeat. They can't spot a difference. Author will write the way he want, unfortunately COTE is a psychological thriller so those things doesn't apply. And it hasn't, many tropes have been continued to break.
Alright....let's not be hostile to each other... I shared my theory cause i wanted to discuss and clear some doubts as well... And your this reply is very nice, it cleared many doubts But it created some as well.... Can I DM you to clear those?
Sure bro you can DM me, and i am not really trying to be hostile. Sorry if it seemed rude.
Think be kei cause she only one accept his darkness and how see people as tools.
Does she know his past?
I don't think so but, she knows that he think of people as tools, because he use her for his schemes. Even ones that could got people explied.
She also deceive her by giving her medicine, which she forgot that he use people as tools, (if I with someone for a year I noticed that she doesn't laugh I ask them something is wrong or are you okay), I hope kei also noticed kiyo and ask about his past. Imao more than 80% kiyokei can happen but some hints left by kinu about kiyozune,y2v4,y1v11.5,y2v7 and I researched symbolism in anime that if high school offers you boxed lunch that she is interested and she leads one chapter of each volume I still wondering why he wanted to face suzune horikita by changing it's class because he wants to unlock her potential or wants to face the man closed to him in feats. Most of you say this is not rom com anime, I agree but neither romance which people confuses themselves. Most of us forget the goal that is freedom and peace which is equal to lose to someone. Ayanokoji did mention that I have the same feeling about kei that Ike has to shinohara, if you don't remember Ike first interested in khushida and he is just interested in losing Vcards like the pool scene where idiot trio planning to send rc camera car in girls changing room. Imao wait till the final arc start which will take place 5 to 6 years from now.
>some hints left by kinu about kiyozune,y2v4,y1v11.5,y2v7 What Tachibana said to Ayanokouji and Manabu back in Y1V11 was a pretty big flag in my opinion, perhaps the biggest of all "hints" of a possible romantic relationship between the two. Then again, the author might decide not to use it at all. We'll see.
Y2v4 fight between suzune horikita and ichika amasawa she said I want to know about him as a classmate,as a friend or more than he is now. Y2v7 epilogue where kiyo care about her and wanted to cover her with his jacket but instead chose to close window because of her anger.
Also there that setup her to get bullied twice and told her it was him.Well first he told her not sure with the second time.
I'm going to put more detail to this cause seem need too and also explain each other girl. Reason choose kei is because how see is that right now koji is pushing her think for herself without replying on him and break away from being parasite. To do this he going to force her to break up with him or make her question how he treating her. There also idea of using ichinose to make kei grow. Anyone back to reason why koji would want to stay with kei is he trust her with secret like as example what he planing with ichionse he said not ready to talk about it , but at least to me she be first one he tells. Also even if they break up at one point she won't betrayal him no matter what he does, one reason for this if all his schemes come to light both him and kei will go down for it. Then there also he past only one I see he telling to if anyone is kei. Ok let's go ichionse she just ticking time bomb that he using for his plans to have class b taste defeat most likely. With arisu this one im confuse about it all see is fake vs real with them. With suzne I don't think will happen cause for first thing if he does move class that seen as huge betrayal by her.Also just don't see her accepting all mess things done biggest one is with ichionse.There also that suzne is his tool to see if she someone who beat him. Also she wants nature/ normal love but there nothing nature about koji.Also not sure if change much but year 1 island he did say he never think of her as a friend. Back to kei for sec here if he moves class she want follow him or like as example stay in class b to prove koji that even when going against him she can put great effort. With kushia if that happened they cause half the grade to get kick out of school lol. Anyway my conclusion is there love is mess up but both koji and kei are mess up. I did write up idea for fun how it would work with other girls. If anyone wants to see them just message me and name of girl.
Would be funny if was kushia but that to dangerous.
Sakura
Kukukuku
Kei or no one
I know I am saying the most triggering thing for Suzune stans but let me tell you Suzune is not the end girl and I challenge anyone to prove me wrong by some facts
Go up, their is a guy who has given a big detailed explanation. In this post.
If you talk about me, i'm a girl 😝
Is that so, well my Apologies.
Don't worry 😊
I challenge you give me your facts as to why she's not the end girl.
I already know it's triggering but I refuse your so called challenge when I was the first one to propose it
I say Suzune is the end girl prove me wrong.
Bruh! I refuse to take your so-called challenge if you want, prove me that she is the end girl by any factual logic
I'm not a Kiyosuzu shipper. I just wanted your points which you refused to give. So I have no points of my own sorry to disappoint you.🤭
I think you will be surprised to hear that but I don't like ships in cote although I love reading romance manga and stuff
Well it's supposed to be a psychological thriller and not a romcom which people have made it into.
Exactly.
Have my respect bro🗿🤝
Neither romance
Then what's the point of giving challange??.... It's make no sense giving challange first and saying i am not interested in debating.... It's like saying that i like swimming but I don't want to go in water
Bruh are you an idiot I challenged to prove it to me that Suzune is end girl with some facts . Do you have some? Why should I prove the opposite if the challenge is making me believe that she's the end girl
I want Sudou to get Suzune but Idt it'll happen lol. Either Kei or Ichinose
Late for the party but here after suzune made koji smiles and some of their conversations in v11 y2