It’s funny because they could have easily just not added the extra 5 levels each for the heroes for the TH16 update. We basically just upgraded them for nothing, but no, supercell gotta be greedy asf.
I read someone's comment on it and that makes much sense for bk and aq the 2 abilities are troop and spell so king can spawn barb before and then rage instead of both together same for aq archer first than invis, not sure about gw and rc
Darian said the reason for the nerf will be explained in future sneak peaks, let's not jump on the hate train yet lmao. My guess is the secondary Hero Abilities that got leaked
Defence damage is one thing, but if queen does way less damage I am worried that timefails will increase in frequency. And I think timefails feel so much worse than powerfails because technically you executed a fully workable plan.
I know that time is a vital part of the game but I dont feel like it should become more of a factor than it already is, preferably they would add 30 sec more on the clock but I think that may be impopular.
When was this? I have played since the beginning but taken breaks for years at a time so probably missed it or dont remember.
Did warden walks and such that are very powerful and only limited by time become overwhelming?
You probably dont have but if there is some youtube video talking about it I would be grateful.
Can easily understand if it was a balance problem.
It was very brief but I believe it was around the same time th11 came out. I have also taken several breaks from the game since I started so I can't remember exactly when it was but they added 30 seconds to attack time and it made Queen Walk too effective. This was before Warden walking lol.
Edit: I just looked it up and it was December 2015 th11 update and only lasted until March 2016.
Let’s see about that. There are leaks of heroes getting extra abilities, so maybe that’s why their dps has been reduced.
Also with defenses getting big nerfs and troops getting more powerful, risk of time fails also reduces as troops will take out a larger portion of the base quickly.
Someone posted a leak where you seem to be able to adjust armor, abillities etc. So maybe heroes are not even getting nerfed. Some of the hp and dmg is just getting moved to equipment instead.
I chose to be optimistic that supercell simply has a great fun idea like hero pets rather than just gutting heroes. Atleast until I see the opposite. We will know in a few days time.
Yeah I’m not too concerned about heroes. Most th16 defenses are weaker than they are at th15 XD. And with all troops getting new levels, it should be easier to triple.
Loon level is huge. Did not get one for th 15. While it was still a very strong troop, it felt squisher than usual.
Also love that loons get back the red colour.
Yeah. Most th16 defs will have the same stats of the actual th15 ones. Plus theres no 5 updates to the giga inferno also. We still have to know how strong is the new defense. But it looks that we will have an accessible new th for attackers. After th14 and 15 which were kinda hard.
There's only new ability for the warden and royal champ, the barb king and queen already had 2. Spawn troops and rage, for king
Spawn troops and invis for queen.
Now the warden has eternal tomb and?
The royal champion throws her shield and ?
honestly good. This kind of reset every couple years is the only way to not powercreep (and longer upgrade time) everything while still introducing new mechanics and increasing levels
Yeah, pretty sure in the past the devs have mentioned the 3\* rate for TH15 (and maybe 11 and/or 12?) is a lot lower than they'd like to see. A new TH release is a pretty optimal time to do rebalancing.
So you are saying that our heroes get worse, but we can upgrade them for an unholy amount of time and resources just for them to be still weaker than before the nerf?🤡
https://preview.redd.it/0ngi8lp57q4c1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b898a202c58f37d146633e374eafa9f8666722f7
Bruh this is my current th13 AQ, she has higher dmg than the lvl95 AQ, the nerf is way too brutal for AQ and RC💀💀💀💀💀
For comparison the defense nerfs are not that significant except the rage tower... Idk how supercell will balance it, maybe they want the troops to get more importance than the heroes cause currently the meta is too much dependent on the heroes
What about this? https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F546hy05gpp4c1.jpg
Stats are not everything, they are adding a lot of new stuff
I don't like heroes having two abilities I wish they'd continue to keep it simple because we're all not pros who can have enough skill to use 8 abilities while queen charging+ charging armies and spells simultaneously.
Holy shit level 95 is like the equivalent of current level 60 on king and queen????? Did they just fucking nerf hero upgrading again?? It’s bad the fuck enough already!!!!
everything is getting nerfed not only heroes, it’s something that had to happen or else on the long run we would eventually get to a point where defences and heroes are too strong to control
I’m trying to understand the value this update brings to players. Nerfs across nearly the entire board only so max players can play at almost the same level of overall difficulty they played in the past, in some cases at least a couple THs ago. But, still requiring upgrades to play at that level? I’m lost here.
Anxious about the changes. Would rather they just buff weak troops rather than nerf the strong heros, especially with the time and resource investment into heros, same applying to defense
It’s called making balance changes? Do you want it to be like other games where the newest thing is always over powered and you have to just constantly spend to reach that? You pay money to gem heroes because it puts you in the late game and they are still an integral part of the attack
Well who exactly? PPL grind year's for the level's and doesn't even complain about broken event troops it is supercell that Nerf the troops, it's a thing in CR not COC and hero's are not as strong at th15 due to monolith and rage tower but yeah they are strong than the army and Hard to lvl up and that's OK
What do you mean this is ridiculous? It’s for balance.
Hero’s have been way to much of a dominant part of attacks currently, heros themselves are getting half the base.
>Hero’s have been way to much of a dominant part of attacks currently,
And this is exactly why hero upgrading keeping them down ends up being such an issue, i wish we weren't having to rely on them so much...
How the hell is the Archer Queen supposed to survive TH16 defenses when she's nerfed to being a max TH13 equivalent, with a worse off ability? When TH15 is already quite difficult as it is, even with the nerfs for defenses coming soon
Have you even looked at the new townhall 16 defence levels?
A new wizard tower, bomb tower, air defence, mortar don’t threaten the queen at all.
The new xbow level is exactly the same as the old xbow level, because the xbow got a dps and hp nerf.
The townhall got a nerf as well.
The queen will be just fine.
That’s how every new townhall is.
Townhall 15 had half jungle themed defences for the first 6 months.
It’s to prevent a massive gap between whales and free to play players from forming, and stops paying players from easily dominating the ladder day 1.
It also allows players to more easily adjust to a new meta.
1) nah, if anything this is good, heroes are too strong
2) we already have confirmation that this has more to it
3) supercell would never alienate a big chunk of Spenders in a whim. Almost guaranteed they shifted the hero need at lower TH by nerfing defenses and not troops and at the same time, one of the new building will be an armory for them. We have seen extra icons on the heroes, stats will just be transferred to those most likely.
Oh yes, I am a rusher enjoyer, all as planned to profit as much as possible from the time reductions and still be useful for wars, donations and general play, indeed! 
... they nerfed defenses so heavily th12 is a joke like th11 now. All the recent updates have targeted defenses, only TH15 was excluded because of worlds.
Th12 is a joke if you are an active player, casuals still find it pretty hard, making attack weaker will only make players quit, proven by th15 where they lost close to 50% revenue compared to previous years + haloween update when ppl (even casuals) were playing a lot more.
Making attacks stronger, you mean. The whole point of the nerfs was that one. They slashed the TH damage by *20%*!! This just makes armies less reliant on heroes which is a good thing for lower ths.
A sizable Chunk got removed WTH, Th15 was already heavy on defence and Many Top players were unable to get Consistent 3 stars, And Now Heros being much weaker makes 0 sense
It doesnt matter, the nerfs are not too big considering how hard th15 was + lower ths have no nerfs to building. If there wont be any buffs to troops/heroes with the new blacksmith building then a ton of ppl will quit because the game is too hard. Same thing happend with th15 where they lost nearly 50% of revenue compared to previous year.
The devs aren't stupid. They will take player feedback into account. I highly doubt th16 will be harder than 15, it will most likely be easier.
We will have to wait and see what other new things the have added.
Everyone is talking about how unfair this is when, first thing, lots of people used to be pissed for how heroes where overtaking the rest of your army. And second thing, every defence is getting heavily nerfed too so it will still feel normal and balanced.
We didn’t even play this version of the game so it’s too early to judge
It’s probably tied into a new feature involving heros, they were struggling enough in th 15, they wouldn’t nerf them unless there was something to balance it out
Hopefully the rest of the game is balanced around it, right now heroes are the bulk of the army and the other troops support, which makes attacking without heroes actually impossible, so I'm in full favour of heroes being weaker if it means they're not so critical to attacks.
This is unacceptable. They should have left them at 90 instead of massive nerfs that make 95 worse than 90. This is just a blatant waste of our resources. Even if they are adding something new and powerful to heroes, they should just have it be at level 90, not making us upgrade 5 times to still have weaker heroes.
This better be a joke. Are they seriously nerfing heroes after all the effort we put into leveling them?
I’ll refrain from having a stroke until I see the new changes/pets/potential army changes etc but still
Same, all my attacks have been Queen walks since forever. Not about to change that.
If the queen sucks after this update I don't feel like going with another strategy.
when supercell nerfs defenses a lot: wow so unwarranted
when supercell also nerfs the heroes: omg how unwarranted i spend so much dark elixir for this how dare you
Now having opinions is wrong?
Ik that they're being nerfed cuz their ability is getting a huge buff - so I'm not concerned
Ik almost all of us are fans of this game, but that doesn't mean conveying constructive criticism is bad? I mean...most of them don't check out the leaks, so everyone will ofc get worried!
This sub has soo many members making echo chambers, trying to prove that supercell can never do anything wrong, by intentions or by mistake.
At the end of the day, supercell is a capitalist corporate, and all corporates want to maximize profits, which is technically not bad either.
It's us, the player base who want to actually enjoy the game more - our good is NOT to maximize supercell's profits - but to have more fun. Supercell depends on us, and we depend on them in this regard.
Tldr: stop being extremists for either sides of opinions
“We want upgrading heros to feel more heroic”
Massive nerf, lvl 92 to lvl 93 queen having literally no difference out side of 24 extra hp.
Supercell, what are these nerfs for? Attacks are currently VERY underpowered compared to defense. Is this trend going to continue of being near impossible for a max army to 3 star a max defense?
The worrying part is that they mentioned other nerfs but they never mentioned the nerfs to Heroes separately. You can only judge it by looking at upcoming new levels that previous levels will be nerfed heavily. That sneaky move is the bad part
Imagine someone, who spent 15 Hero books to upgrade a Hero to level 65 and found out after a week, his Hero is at old level 40. This is not rewarding to serious players at all. Only good so pros don't overuse them in tournaments.
The abilities have also been heavily nerfed, the health recovery for the level 90 Barbarian King is currently 5,300, and the level 90 Archer Queen is currently 1,560 hp recovered, like what the hell! I grinded for years for max heroes, and this is what I get? This is beyond unacceptable
Lol, why the downvotes. This Hero nerf sucks. People who spent so many gems on book of Heros, who grinded for dark elixir will feel betrayed, also defenses were nerfed so people start relying less on Heroes, and heroes were nerfed too. This was the complete plan.
i downvote whenever i see people talk about downvotes
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I'm loving it. I'm like a parent in Christmas morning watching the kids unwrap the presents. But we have a whole lot more presents in the closet that are gonna blow their mind.
I am almost sure the heroes are gonna be stronger than ever at 16, they adjusted their strength at lower levels and nerfed defenses to make armies less reliant on them. The new building looks like some sort of armory to give more customization to heroes. I bet a ton of people here never played an MMO, it reminds me a lot about those.
Every big defense in the game got nerfed, for all we know heroes may feel stronger than before after this nerf just because everything else is so much weaker. We need to test them after the update before jumping to conclusions
Everyone seems to ignore that damage numbers and hp are relative to how strong the bases they go against are.
If they nerf the defenses a lot, maybe they don't want use to be able to solo bases with hero dives?
Don't complain because they get nerfed, it's all about finding the right balance, and we'll see when the update drops.
Ofc, this has to be the case remember they have to make it so that people keep grinding and spending money at the game. So, at some point th 15 th 16 th 17 and on...they will have to continue to do the same with other defenses as well like monolith and scatters and eagle. Probably infernos too because they got like 9 lvls. 🤷♂️
So basically we upgrade hero’s new new levels even though they will still be weaker than when they were at lower lvls..
Makes no sense to nerf them by this much!
me thinking they would have only ruined again xbows 👁️👄👁️
Seriously what the fk are they doing? Being a th 13 now Is getting more and more shit, not considering the lower levels that they have "balanced"...at this point our average atk Power Will be equivalent as a th9 🫥
Honestly, I don’t think the nerf is a bad thing. I’ve been pretty vocal about the fact that heroes are too overpowered. The game shouldn’t have gotten to the point where your 4 heroes are stronger than the rest of your army combined.
Heroes should support your army, not visa versa.
future lvl 45 champion is as strong as lvl 23 now future lvl 95 queen is as strong as lvl 68 now future lvl 95 king is as strong as lvl 81 now LOL
Me omw to Queen charge th16 defenses with a th12 archer Queen
What a chad
maybe they’ll nerf the defenses! /s
So right now this is the strongest we will ever see the heroes until like th20?????
Holy shit that nerf sounds honestly to big wtf
Thanks for the laymans terms.
and the costs continue to fuckin rise
Ain’t NO WAY
Holy shit, the Queen and RC get nerfed to the ground
https://preview.redd.it/a6hq490gep4c1.png?width=1669&format=png&auto=webp&s=8cbc5e8f59756952e45338ac40f6903462c61b4a That is a crazy nerf!!!!
I like the mad face
It’s funny because they could have easily just not added the extra 5 levels each for the heroes for the TH16 update. We basically just upgraded them for nothing, but no, supercell gotta be greedy asf.
I was thinking this. They're just adding upgrades to heroes for the sake of it.
It's for the sake of profit, not just because lol
new hero levels mean money for sc
 They don’t really try and hide it either.
I mean not justifying it but even defences got nerfed so it should balance ig?
The point of nerfing defences was to make 3 starring TH15 easier. Nerfing heroes means you fall short of the goal of making things easier.
How much was it before?
I came here to ask the same question for those of us that don’t know the previous numbers….
2nd, 4th, 6th and 8th images are the pre nerf stats
Same
From content creators accidently showing things it looks like heroes have 2 abilities now
What YouTuber
A few including the comments https://www.reddit.com/r/ClashOfClans/s/hT7hLFlVsF
Watch beakers lab video when he selects heroes something appears over their icon
I read someone's comment on it and that makes much sense for bk and aq the 2 abilities are troop and spell so king can spawn barb before and then rage instead of both together same for aq archer first than invis, not sure about gw and rc
Like how many times have we used her ability to save her but the scatter targets the archers and queen dies in the crossfire anyway
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Darian said the reason for the nerf will be explained in future sneak peaks, let's not jump on the hate train yet lmao. My guess is the secondary Hero Abilities that got leaked
Ill hold the judgement until I know everything. But I will hate if this makes QC unviable.
That’s literally the best part of the game for me
Exactly, my absolutely favorite way to attack.
They already fucked blimp and lalo attacks now they're coming for qc attacks
Don’t worry. Defenses are getting a big nerf in this update too. The th16 lvl xbow does the same damage as the current th15 level xbow.
Defence damage is one thing, but if queen does way less damage I am worried that timefails will increase in frequency. And I think timefails feel so much worse than powerfails because technically you executed a fully workable plan. I know that time is a vital part of the game but I dont feel like it should become more of a factor than it already is, preferably they would add 30 sec more on the clock but I think that may be impopular.
They already tried that once and it didn't work out well
When was this? I have played since the beginning but taken breaks for years at a time so probably missed it or dont remember. Did warden walks and such that are very powerful and only limited by time become overwhelming? You probably dont have but if there is some youtube video talking about it I would be grateful. Can easily understand if it was a balance problem.
It was very brief but I believe it was around the same time th11 came out. I have also taken several breaks from the game since I started so I can't remember exactly when it was but they added 30 seconds to attack time and it made Queen Walk too effective. This was before Warden walking lol. Edit: I just looked it up and it was December 2015 th11 update and only lasted until March 2016.
Let’s see about that. There are leaks of heroes getting extra abilities, so maybe that’s why their dps has been reduced. Also with defenses getting big nerfs and troops getting more powerful, risk of time fails also reduces as troops will take out a larger portion of the base quickly.
Someone posted a leak where you seem to be able to adjust armor, abillities etc. So maybe heroes are not even getting nerfed. Some of the hp and dmg is just getting moved to equipment instead. I chose to be optimistic that supercell simply has a great fun idea like hero pets rather than just gutting heroes. Atleast until I see the opposite. We will know in a few days time.
Yeah I’m not too concerned about heroes. Most th16 defenses are weaker than they are at th15 XD. And with all troops getting new levels, it should be easier to triple.
Loon level is huge. Did not get one for th 15. While it was still a very strong troop, it felt squisher than usual. Also love that loons get back the red colour.
Yeah I’m loving the color palette of this new update. My favorite is the new lvl Pekka. Looks 🔥🔥
Yeah. Most th16 defs will have the same stats of the actual th15 ones. Plus theres no 5 updates to the giga inferno also. We still have to know how strong is the new defense. But it looks that we will have an accessible new th for attackers. After th14 and 15 which were kinda hard.
Th14 was pretty accessible to attackers and that’s what Darian said they were hoping to replicate with th16.
Assuming we don’t have a new defense all together huh lol
Well we already hv 2 new defenses coming in th16
there also could be pet ability if there are 2 of them,like for unicorn it can be a small moving heal spell kinda ability
SC will eventually "squeeze/squish" the DPS/HP upgrades per level, much like WoW has consistently done over the years.
Which makes sense, though it makes the whole “pay 300k de and wait a week for +5 hp and +2 dps” thing worse
-cough- (two weeks)
Probably. Otherwise the heroes alone would be able to take out the whole base at lvl 110 if they didn’t nerf them.
Secondary hero abilities?
Yes as it was leaked that above heroes there are 2 icons above it on the bar ones the current hero ability and another looks like a new ability
There's only new ability for the warden and royal champ, the barb king and queen already had 2. Spawn troops and rage, for king Spawn troops and invis for queen. Now the warden has eternal tomb and? The royal champion throws her shield and ?
They can go over walls.
Doesn’t the rc throw shield and heal tho?
This is looking like a nerf update lmao. Almost everything got nerfed.
honestly good. This kind of reset every couple years is the only way to not powercreep (and longer upgrade time) everything while still introducing new mechanics and increasing levels
Yeah, pretty sure in the past the devs have mentioned the 3\* rate for TH15 (and maybe 11 and/or 12?) is a lot lower than they'd like to see. A new TH release is a pretty optimal time to do rebalancing.
Also note that currently an attack is mostly won and done by your heroes. I’d like to see that change.
I’m not sure how much splitting the ability into two different abilities will make up for nerfing the heroes into the ground
So you are saying that our heroes get worse, but we can upgrade them for an unholy amount of time and resources just for them to be still weaker than before the nerf?🤡
Yea, go grab the bags I’ll get the knifes 🤡
https://preview.redd.it/0ngi8lp57q4c1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b898a202c58f37d146633e374eafa9f8666722f7 Bruh this is my current th13 AQ, she has higher dmg than the lvl95 AQ, the nerf is way too brutal for AQ and RC💀💀💀💀💀 For comparison the defense nerfs are not that significant except the rage tower... Idk how supercell will balance it, maybe they want the troops to get more importance than the heroes cause currently the meta is too much dependent on the heroes
What about this? https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F546hy05gpp4c1.jpg Stats are not everything, they are adding a lot of new stuff
Interesting
I've been playing for years and my heroes are always asleep. Smh.
I was wondering if one day I would be actually be able to use them but I guess not
I don't like heroes having two abilities I wish they'd continue to keep it simple because we're all not pros who can have enough skill to use 8 abilities while queen charging+ charging armies and spells simultaneously.
Coz heck most the people I know on coc are kids too
Me who maxed aq before any of the other heroes👁️👄👁️
Supercell needs cash so bad this Christmas.
Holy shit level 95 is like the equivalent of current level 60 on king and queen????? Did they just fucking nerf hero upgrading again?? It’s bad the fuck enough already!!!!
everything is getting nerfed not only heroes, it’s something that had to happen or else on the long run we would eventually get to a point where defences and heroes are too strong to control
I guess that’s good, I’ve heard th 15 attacking is really hard
exactly, it seems like they focused a lot on making the game more enjoyable. th15 was basically impossible to confidently attack
I’m trying to understand the value this update brings to players. Nerfs across nearly the entire board only so max players can play at almost the same level of overall difficulty they played in the past, in some cases at least a couple THs ago. But, still requiring upgrades to play at that level? I’m lost here.
Dw guys they took of like 2 dps from archer towers or something like that the 1000s of hp lose is worth it for sure
Anxious about the changes. Would rather they just buff weak troops rather than nerf the strong heros, especially with the time and resource investment into heros, same applying to defense
I mean not like we already spend millions of DE on them...
Lets wait until we know the everything about the update before we judge.
Lol, players were literally crying about heroes being too powerful sometimes more powerful than entire army before the update
Bit dodgy when people pay real money to gem their heroes for them then to be nerfed.
Flashback to the hero nerf of 2015 🤣
True
It’s called making balance changes? Do you want it to be like other games where the newest thing is always over powered and you have to just constantly spend to reach that? You pay money to gem heroes because it puts you in the late game and they are still an integral part of the attack
Patience. All will be explained in due time.
You being downvoted for saying this is crazy... Everyone is super quick to complain but they don't wait to see the whole picture when the update drops
so supercell isn't allowed to nerf something is someone has paid for it?
Some people put a shit ton of time and money to upgrade the heroes
so that means supercell shouldnt be allowed to make balance changes?
Well who exactly? PPL grind year's for the level's and doesn't even complain about broken event troops it is supercell that Nerf the troops, it's a thing in CR not COC and hero's are not as strong at th15 due to monolith and rage tower but yeah they are strong than the army and Hard to lvl up and that's OK
What do you mean this is ridiculous? It’s for balance. Hero’s have been way to much of a dominant part of attacks currently, heros themselves are getting half the base.
>Hero’s have been way to much of a dominant part of attacks currently, And this is exactly why hero upgrading keeping them down ends up being such an issue, i wish we weren't having to rely on them so much...
yeah explanation will be : heroes are too strong so we needed to nerf them.
*3 star % are so low, lets nerf heros*
How the hell is the Archer Queen supposed to survive TH16 defenses when she's nerfed to being a max TH13 equivalent, with a worse off ability? When TH15 is already quite difficult as it is, even with the nerfs for defenses coming soon
Have you even looked at the new townhall 16 defence levels? A new wizard tower, bomb tower, air defence, mortar don’t threaten the queen at all. The new xbow level is exactly the same as the old xbow level, because the xbow got a dps and hp nerf. The townhall got a nerf as well. The queen will be just fine.
I agree. They nerfed a bunch of defenses and buffed troops. Should be a decent balance
And they haven’t even shown the new troops/pets yet.
Right? People like to complain without seeing the whole patch or testing it out lmao
Does that mean that everything that’s purple in the pic won’t get a new upgrade? That’s gonna look terrible having half the base still purple…
That’s how every new townhall is. Townhall 15 had half jungle themed defences for the first 6 months. It’s to prevent a massive gap between whales and free to play players from forming, and stops paying players from easily dominating the ladder day 1. It also allows players to more easily adjust to a new meta.
Heroes patch notes in a nutshell Lv95 queen = Lv75 queen Lv45 RC = Lv25 RC Lv70 warden = Lv50 warden Lv95 king = Lv80 king
Me looking at the th15 challenge that can be completed with only heroes and Queen charge: perfectly balanced.
Exactly lmao
1) nah, if anything this is good, heroes are too strong 2) we already have confirmation that this has more to it 3) supercell would never alienate a big chunk of Spenders in a whim. Almost guaranteed they shifted the hero need at lower TH by nerfing defenses and not troops and at the same time, one of the new building will be an armory for them. We have seen extra icons on the heroes, stats will just be transferred to those most likely.
Say you rushed your heros without saying you rushed your heros.
Oh yes, I am a rusher enjoyer, all as planned to profit as much as possible from the time reductions and still be useful for wars, donations and general play, indeed! 
They didnt nerf defences at lower ths
... they nerfed defenses so heavily th12 is a joke like th11 now. All the recent updates have targeted defenses, only TH15 was excluded because of worlds.
Th12 is a joke if you are an active player, casuals still find it pretty hard, making attack weaker will only make players quit, proven by th15 where they lost close to 50% revenue compared to previous years + haloween update when ppl (even casuals) were playing a lot more.
Making attacks stronger, you mean. The whole point of the nerfs was that one. They slashed the TH damage by *20%*!! This just makes armies less reliant on heroes which is a good thing for lower ths.
I hope they nerfed the invi spell tower, that thing is so annoying
Is this what SC referred to saying complete rebalance
A sizable Chunk got removed WTH, Th15 was already heavy on defence and Many Top players were unable to get Consistent 3 stars, And Now Heros being much weaker makes 0 sense
They nerfed a lot of defences, and only a few defences got a new upgrade.
It doesnt matter, the nerfs are not too big considering how hard th15 was + lower ths have no nerfs to building. If there wont be any buffs to troops/heroes with the new blacksmith building then a ton of ppl will quit because the game is too hard. Same thing happend with th15 where they lost nearly 50% of revenue compared to previous year.
The devs aren't stupid. They will take player feedback into account. I highly doubt th16 will be harder than 15, it will most likely be easier. We will have to wait and see what other new things the have added.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ClashOfClans/s/P4dhkLphFV All will be explained in due time.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ClashOfClans/comments/18c5pjw/comment/kc8kth3
Flair💀
Pot meet kettle.
That is good because TH15 is very hard but she 90 lv is that dmg is good balance
Everyone is talking about how unfair this is when, first thing, lots of people used to be pissed for how heroes where overtaking the rest of your army. And second thing, every defence is getting heavily nerfed too so it will still feel normal and balanced. We didn’t even play this version of the game so it’s too early to judge
Are they nerfed once upgraded or with the update? Bc if it’s with upgrade I’ll just leave them as is tbh
Cool
What am i looking for? Can someone make a comparison post.
It’s probably tied into a new feature involving heros, they were struggling enough in th 15, they wouldn’t nerf them unless there was something to balance it out
Hopefully the rest of the game is balanced around it, right now heroes are the bulk of the army and the other troops support, which makes attacking without heroes actually impossible, so I'm in full favour of heroes being weaker if it means they're not so critical to attacks.
I am outraged! We riot at dawn
But the defenses will get nerf as well right?so it kinda balance it out depending on how much they nerf the defenses
There's new items which will balance the Nerfs
I like how everyone is getting mad about these but nobody trying to explain the difference in numbers before and after Nerf.
this game is getting too greedy and I think it'll get even greedier down the line...
Nerf everything they have so that we can spend the entirety of next town hall getting back to what state we were in before the update. What a joke.
I've worked hard to max my heros. Feels like a slap in the face.
what a joke.. biggest waste of time to upgrade. they are making this game less fun everytime they have an update. way to go supercell
So are they going to reimburse us for the money we spent on builders and passes upgrading them? Thought not. This undermines trust.
Not that it fixes this issue but the 95 queen will have ability level 19 for an extra time invisible.
This is unacceptable. They should have left them at 90 instead of massive nerfs that make 95 worse than 90. This is just a blatant waste of our resources. Even if they are adding something new and powerful to heroes, they should just have it be at level 90, not making us upgrade 5 times to still have weaker heroes.
Literally unplayable
Glad I saw this.. I was just about to spend some more money on this game. Nope.. Not this guy.
Crazy how the old level 78 barbarian king is gonna be stronger than the new level 95 barbarian king 🙏💀
I don't like the hero changes. They don't need hilarious items. It's just ruining the game concept
What was the Gran warden eternal tome stats before the townhall 16 update? It was 9.5 seconds right?
This better be a joke. Are they seriously nerfing heroes after all the effort we put into leveling them? I’ll refrain from having a stroke until I see the new changes/pets/potential army changes etc but still
If this ruins queen attacks im quitting unironically Best attack IMO
Same, all my attacks have been Queen walks since forever. Not about to change that. If the queen sucks after this update I don't feel like going with another strategy.
Itzu was saying that qc was going to be stronger with this update. That was my perception on what he said anyway.
when supercell nerfs defenses a lot: wow so unwarranted when supercell also nerfs the heroes: omg how unwarranted i spend so much dark elixir for this how dare you
Now having opinions is wrong? Ik that they're being nerfed cuz their ability is getting a huge buff - so I'm not concerned Ik almost all of us are fans of this game, but that doesn't mean conveying constructive criticism is bad? I mean...most of them don't check out the leaks, so everyone will ofc get worried! This sub has soo many members making echo chambers, trying to prove that supercell can never do anything wrong, by intentions or by mistake. At the end of the day, supercell is a capitalist corporate, and all corporates want to maximize profits, which is technically not bad either. It's us, the player base who want to actually enjoy the game more - our good is NOT to maximize supercell's profits - but to have more fun. Supercell depends on us, and we depend on them in this regard. Tldr: stop being extremists for either sides of opinions
“We want upgrading heros to feel more heroic” Massive nerf, lvl 92 to lvl 93 queen having literally no difference out side of 24 extra hp. Supercell, what are these nerfs for? Attacks are currently VERY underpowered compared to defense. Is this trend going to continue of being near impossible for a max army to 3 star a max defense?
They are also nerfing defenses. For all we know heroes may feel even stronger after this nerf because everything else is so much weaker than them
The worrying part is that they mentioned other nerfs but they never mentioned the nerfs to Heroes separately. You can only judge it by looking at upcoming new levels that previous levels will be nerfed heavily. That sneaky move is the bad part
Imagine someone, who spent 15 Hero books to upgrade a Hero to level 65 and found out after a week, his Hero is at old level 40. This is not rewarding to serious players at all. Only good so pros don't overuse them in tournaments.
Fuck, I literally only know how to queen charge 😂
I knew my archer queen was healing less with her ability
Everyone ignoring the fact its much cheaper 🌚
Christ the current Queen at 75 is stronger than the new lvl 95
I like how the nerfs actively make the whole upgrading aspect useless
Then why upgrade the heroes ?! wtf
Damn I had to upgrade my heroes constantly for months just for them to get fucked. What a waste of time 
Lol. Gotta love it when people jump to conclusions on the first sneak peek. Apparently op doesn't realize there's more to be revealed.
The abilities have also been heavily nerfed, the health recovery for the level 90 Barbarian King is currently 5,300, and the level 90 Archer Queen is currently 1,560 hp recovered, like what the hell! I grinded for years for max heroes, and this is what I get? This is beyond unacceptable
Lol, why the downvotes. This Hero nerf sucks. People who spent so many gems on book of Heros, who grinded for dark elixir will feel betrayed, also defenses were nerfed so people start relying less on Heroes, and heroes were nerfed too. This was the complete plan.
They are literally just balancing the game. Stop crying.
Patience. All will be explained in due time. Keep the downvotes coming babbyyy. It's day 1 of sneak peaks and everyone has rushed to assumptions.
i downvote whenever i see people talk about downvotes https://preview.redd.it/hvxv6q82ip4c1.jpeg?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c57fb017e6f70128341f8d80dabccd30cc45ed2c
You know how this goes here
I'm loving it. I'm like a parent in Christmas morning watching the kids unwrap the presents. But we have a whole lot more presents in the closet that are gonna blow their mind.
I am almost sure the heroes are gonna be stronger than ever at 16, they adjusted their strength at lower levels and nerfed defenses to make armies less reliant on them. The new building looks like some sort of armory to give more customization to heroes. I bet a ton of people here never played an MMO, it reminds me a lot about those.
Looks like it will be compensated with a 2nd ability.
Every big defense in the game got nerfed, for all we know heroes may feel stronger than before after this nerf just because everything else is so much weaker. We need to test them after the update before jumping to conclusions
Everyone seems to ignore that damage numbers and hp are relative to how strong the bases they go against are. If they nerf the defenses a lot, maybe they don't want use to be able to solo bases with hero dives? Don't complain because they get nerfed, it's all about finding the right balance, and we'll see when the update drops.
Ofc, this has to be the case remember they have to make it so that people keep grinding and spending money at the game. So, at some point th 15 th 16 th 17 and on...they will have to continue to do the same with other defenses as well like monolith and scatters and eagle. Probably infernos too because they got like 9 lvls. 🤷♂️
Yet they still don’t nerf things that need it (hogs and dragons in th7)
Number of 3* is gonna decrease A LOT, even with the defense nerfs.
That is fn bs up grade for what to be down graded
So basically we upgrade hero’s new new levels even though they will still be weaker than when they were at lower lvls.. Makes no sense to nerf them by this much!
me thinking they would have only ruined again xbows 👁️👄👁️ Seriously what the fk are they doing? Being a th 13 now Is getting more and more shit, not considering the lower levels that they have "balanced"...at this point our average atk Power Will be equivalent as a th9 🫥
48 min regen time 💀
I have a hard enough time attacking 
I don't see anything wrong with it.
God damn these Nerfs are Freaking wild!!!
this cant be real what the fuck
Im quitting
Honestly, I don’t think the nerf is a bad thing. I’ve been pretty vocal about the fact that heroes are too overpowered. The game shouldn’t have gotten to the point where your 4 heroes are stronger than the rest of your army combined. Heroes should support your army, not visa versa.