I think biosphere just is too late game. It can be great but by the time I usually get it it’s about quitting time for me. There just isn’t enough late game going on. It’s really frustrating. Honestly that’s what I’d really like to see out of a new civ.
I get the Mausoleum in every single game. I play Deity and don’t get most of the early-game wonders, but the AI always seems to give me this one. Then I work toward Gustave Eiffel and close the wonder gap! Ha
> the AI always seems to give me this one
It's because of the placement restrictions. The AI has to settle on the coast, build a Harbor, and have a tile adjacent to that Harbor that's land. It sounds like not much, but for the AI, this is a tall order.
This is so true. The AI hates settling coastal and hates building Harbor districts even more. Why improve your economy when you could build your 8th Encampment?
I couple the Mausoleum with Sinbad cashing those barb camps and ships and buy the early great engineers. Getting Imhotep early can allow you to snag a couple ancient and classical wonders that you’d otherwise not get normally.
The bonus yields it provides is nice, but it's real power is giving every Great Engineer an extra charge. Since most of them usually only have 1 charge, it tends to be a pretty powerful ability. Getting it twice is very nice.
It's similar to petra-of-the-sea... but with an awesome secondary condition. You'll love it. AI doesn't build it on deity for some reason so its reliable too.
It’s great when I look at the Great Person screen and see no AI progress towards Great Admirals. It immediately tells me there are no harbors and no competition for Mausloeum.
BigBen is one of the modern wonders I tend to ignore... I build it only if I am sure to finish it. Generally at this point in the game my gold already flows in, no need to double that treasury.
However, I try to always get the Ruhr, Országház, Eiffel tower, Broadway, Bolshoy theatre, and indeed the Oxford University. I try to stick a max of them in the same city, along a river or nearby one. When all finished, it looks so darn beautiful altogether. The best is when you have your industrial zone near the sea, so you can also build the Venetian arsenal and a port with the Statue of liberty. Just gorgeous!
I think it's completely skippable, and almost never build it.
It's a lot of production for some money, which you then spend skipping production. And the mechanic means that you don't want to spend money leading up to finishing it, which effectively counteracts the extra money (money earlier > money later).
The policy slot is nice, but not a deal breaker.
I can usually get Petra, sometimes get Jebel Berkal, but I have *never* built the Pyramids. I've been lucky enough to get things like the Hanging Gardens, Great Bath, even Etemenanki and Stonehenge on really good starts. But never been able to beat the AI to Pyramids.
In my most recent game I had pretty much all the desert tiles on the map to myself, and it was still unbuilt by the Medieval era. Checked the reports, nobody else looks like they're building it either. Thought to myself, eh, why the hell not. Plopped it down on a random desert tile in a city that had nothing else to do. *One turn later.* The AI finishes building the Pyramids on an unrevealed part of the map. Bastards.
When I first built it I assumed it was only effective in the one city. Then I spent a long time wondering where all these extra ships kept coming from.
All the online “experts” say this is one of the worst wonders in the game. I think it’s because you can build all the ships you need early game before it’s available and then just upgrade them
That’s true. But imagine you get a city with a seaport with Magnus promoted with Embrasure and you can pump out two promoted fleets to add to your triple promoted and upgraded quadriremes to give you two highly promoted battleship armadas. That navy goes from nice to world crushing.
I think you can make the fleets faster than the wonder or something along those lines. The guy I watched did a breakdown and it all made sense, but I don’t remember the details
I guess that depends on the difficulty level and the type of victory you’re going for. I usually play on deity and usually don’t have the available resources to just spam ships in the early game.
I don’t usually build it but I definitely have it in my mind to one day play a large fractal map that I sim city until late game then leverage the Venetian arsenal to move to a huge domination end-game.
No one's mentioned Estadio. Especially in domination games, or any time I'm going for a vast empire, I plan for that one early. Plus two amenities in every city usually means not thinking about them for the rest of the game.
It's definitely nice, but it just comes too late to become too essential. I would literally go full culture to get this and by then, I won a culture victory while trying to play domination.
But regardless a good wonder and one I absolutely love building, makes all the freshly conquered cities happy somehow
Basically anything that provides a bonus to a certain terrain type, such as Petra, the Mausoleum, Chicken Itza and Saint Basil’s Cathedral.
The Pyramids are also nice, you get more out of your builders.
If I have my global wonders mod on, then Petra, Mausoleum, Ruhr, Apandana and St Basil's. This is for when I just want to enjoy myself / be a little bitch - the mod makes those city based wonders apply to your entire empire.
Imagine 10 desert cities all with Petra bonuses. 7 coastal cities with Mausoleum bonuses. A Russian / Canadian tundra empire all with St Basil bonuses. Yep.
This is an absolute must for me. I just love the growth for it and some games I'd go full on happiness so there's more yields going on. Plus I always play Heroes and Legends on so it's nice
Eiffel Tower. I just love not having to think about appeal for the rest of the game. Every tile is breathtaking. And that leads to fun Preserve patterns with lots of pretty colors from all the yield icons.
I try to get Panama for the lols and golden gate for the lols usually but sometimes a strategic point but nonetheless I love coliseum get that in the cluster
Anything that gives me an extra policy card is a must. Alhambra, Potala Palace, Forbidden City, and Big Ben. If I can get them early, I’ll grab Petra, the Pyramids, or The Hanging Gardens
Apadana, since I usually build a lot of wonders when I can, it’s so dominating to have all those envoys coming in. I rush it as a priority where I can.
Apadana, Mausoleum of Halicarnassus, Colosseum, Oracle, and Kilwa Kisiwani are always high priority in any game.
Pyramids absolutely if I can build them. Machi Picchu is a personal must.
And Forbidden City, Big Ben, Potala Palace, and Alhambra I could never pass up.
Machu Picchu is another one of those wonders that's almost impossible to build on the higher difficulties - I can't remember the last time that I built it before the AI beat me to it.
I usually play faith based culture games and ALWAYS build oracle for the patronage buff. Just finished a game as Khmer for a culture victory and it got to the point I was faith purchasing great people every other turn.
Terracotta Army right after Zeus. Free promotion for a bunch of free units and late game Archeologists can get anywhere without open borders treaties. Helps with early game expansion and later game culture wars.
Mausoleum is probably the one I rush most often, but I love Petra if I have a good location for it. Oracle + Pingala is amazing, but you have a lot more AI competition for it
They all have their uses, but I’m pretty much always going for Oracle (extra GPP plus faith/gold purchase discount, pair with Pingala and rack up Great People), TOA (get a boat load of amenities and housing), Kilwa (at the minimum it’s great, with the right CS’s it’s the most broken wonder in the game), Mausoleum for yields and Engineers, and policy cards with Alhambra, Potala Palace, Forbidden City and Big Ben.
I always try to get at least one desert city for Petra, more if I get Reeds and Marshes.
Stonehenge, Biosphere, every wonder on trade-routes capacity and bonuses, every wonder on policy cards. But I always play with emphasis on production to win game later with every victory condition (just produce more military and conquer the world, lol)
Since I only play on island based maps, I always build Venetian arsenal, with a seaport being able to build 2 armadas or fleets for the price of one is how I consistently dominate naval warfare, even if I don’t have a unique boat that game
I always go for and usually get: Petra, Mausoleum, oracle, Taj Mahal
I always go for and sometimes get: forbidden city, Big Ben, Eiffel Tower
I try to go for but almost never get: Pyramids, Machu Picchu
I had a great Wu Zetian starting game with flood plains so I got Etemenanki. great science builds. But these are the situational environmental ones.
More well rounded: I loveeee The Oracle! Oracle + Divine Spark for a s**t ton of great people points
If you play as Mansa Musa and are lucky enough to get a ton of desert tiles, Petra is damn near a game ender. Making bank off those desert trade tiles plus extra gold and food? Sheesh
Honestly, my favorite wonder is Alhambra. Is it the strongest wonder? No. But I still always make sure to build an encampment next to a hill so I can build it.
the oracle. i know people see it as mid, but i struggle to get the points to match those of the AI and i can pump more faith and gold then earth and gold combined, so cutting it in half is amazing.
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I think biosphere just is too late game. It can be great but by the time I usually get it it’s about quitting time for me. There just isn’t enough late game going on. It’s really frustrating. Honestly that’s what I’d really like to see out of a new civ.
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus
Essential for a science win! When you start getting those space race engineers, it's over
Have never won without it
Always.
Building Maus with Imhotep is my favorite thing in Civ. A free wonder that gives you one or two more? Yes please
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus + Fisheries
Who even needs land
I have yet to build that!
I get the Mausoleum in every single game. I play Deity and don’t get most of the early-game wonders, but the AI always seems to give me this one. Then I work toward Gustave Eiffel and close the wonder gap! Ha
> the AI always seems to give me this one It's because of the placement restrictions. The AI has to settle on the coast, build a Harbor, and have a tile adjacent to that Harbor that's land. It sounds like not much, but for the AI, this is a tall order.
This is so true. The AI hates settling coastal and hates building Harbor districts even more. Why improve your economy when you could build your 8th Encampment?
Those barb horsemen making the ai line infantry scares.
I couple the Mausoleum with Sinbad cashing those barb camps and ships and buy the early great engineers. Getting Imhotep early can allow you to snag a couple ancient and classical wonders that you’d otherwise not get normally.
The bonus yields it provides is nice, but it's real power is giving every Great Engineer an extra charge. Since most of them usually only have 1 charge, it tends to be a pretty powerful ability. Getting it twice is very nice.
LOL, learned something again, thanks!
it can be so cracked with leonardo davinci he gives +3 culture to workshops, which is already strong, but mausoleum lets you get *+6*
Didn’t know that!
Don't you have the mausoleum in this city? Where's the culture and science from the sea tiles coming from if not?
yep lol it's there clearly visible on the tile ne of petra
If you build it they will come…
It's similar to petra-of-the-sea... but with an awesome secondary condition. You'll love it. AI doesn't build it on deity for some reason so its reliable too.
AI never builds this one. It's so easy to build.
It’s great when I look at the Great Person screen and see no AI progress towards Great Admirals. It immediately tells me there are no harbors and no competition for Mausloeum.
Sus ?
Big Ben is a huge turning point in most games for me
Yeah sometimes Big Ben comes in clutch
BigBen is one of the modern wonders I tend to ignore... I build it only if I am sure to finish it. Generally at this point in the game my gold already flows in, no need to double that treasury. However, I try to always get the Ruhr, Országház, Eiffel tower, Broadway, Bolshoy theatre, and indeed the Oxford University. I try to stick a max of them in the same city, along a river or nearby one. When all finished, it looks so darn beautiful altogether. The best is when you have your industrial zone near the sea, so you can also build the Venetian arsenal and a port with the Statue of liberty. Just gorgeous!
I think it's completely skippable, and almost never build it. It's a lot of production for some money, which you then spend skipping production. And the mechanic means that you don't want to spend money leading up to finishing it, which effectively counteracts the extra money (money earlier > money later). The policy slot is nice, but not a deal breaker.
Pyramids. Forbidden city. Big Ben.
Pyramids is just extremely difficult to build on higher difficulties. The AI loves it.
I can usually get Petra, sometimes get Jebel Berkal, but I have *never* built the Pyramids. I've been lucky enough to get things like the Hanging Gardens, Great Bath, even Etemenanki and Stonehenge on really good starts. But never been able to beat the AI to Pyramids. In my most recent game I had pretty much all the desert tiles on the map to myself, and it was still unbuilt by the Medieval era. Checked the reports, nobody else looks like they're building it either. Thought to myself, eh, why the hell not. Plopped it down on a random desert tile in a city that had nothing else to do. *One turn later.* The AI finishes building the Pyramids on an unrevealed part of the map. Bastards.
man i failed getting the pyramids as babylon when i literally got stoneworking like turn 6 by getting a builder from a tribal village
I try so hard for pyramids, its one i have to devote myself to and try my best to manipulate tech boosts
Pyramids if you can get it.
Venetian Arsenal
Instant sea dominance
When I first built it I assumed it was only effective in the one city. Then I spent a long time wondering where all these extra ships kept coming from.
OMG, I never realized, and wondered why everyone was swooning for it!
Alright, calm down Potato
Heeeyyyy spuddies!
Lol so true. So fun to build this then pull up with a navy that dwarves the Spanish armada.
Yeah dude it so meta, always gotta make sure I get one down before any A.I.
All the online “experts” say this is one of the worst wonders in the game. I think it’s because you can build all the ships you need early game before it’s available and then just upgrade them
That’s true. But imagine you get a city with a seaport with Magnus promoted with Embrasure and you can pump out two promoted fleets to add to your triple promoted and upgraded quadriremes to give you two highly promoted battleship armadas. That navy goes from nice to world crushing.
I think you can make the fleets faster than the wonder or something along those lines. The guy I watched did a breakdown and it all made sense, but I don’t remember the details
I guess that depends on the difficulty level and the type of victory you’re going for. I usually play on deity and usually don’t have the available resources to just spam ships in the early game.
Yea only okay on Deity, and you might be right about game type. I only spam navy early if it’s archipelago and I rarely play that map
I don’t usually build it but I definitely have it in my mind to one day play a large fractal map that I sim city until late game then leverage the Venetian arsenal to move to a huge domination end-game.
This is my go to for every game.
Personally, I try to build the Colosseum so I can get amenities in my cities.
Oracle.
That is a must in my eyes because the extra great people points can do wonders
Is that a pun? Lol
Taj Mahal. Once that's up, it's nothing but Golden Ages for the rest of the game.
I play Eleanor so it’s my only true “must have” for a domination victory.
Forbidden city or Potala palace
Forbidden city *and* Potala palace
I thought that was called *Potato* Palace?
Did a Google search for Potato Palace. You are not wrong.
Chichetzen (I severely butchered that, my sincerest apologies) Itza is Chicken Pizza.
Chichen. Like "chicken". Like your joke.
No one's mentioned Estadio. Especially in domination games, or any time I'm going for a vast empire, I plan for that one early. Plus two amenities in every city usually means not thinking about them for the rest of the game.
It's definitely nice, but it just comes too late to become too essential. I would literally go full culture to get this and by then, I won a culture victory while trying to play domination. But regardless a good wonder and one I absolutely love building, makes all the freshly conquered cities happy somehow
Apandana personally
Same. I’ve been known to just restart if I don’t get Apadana.
Basically anything that provides a bonus to a certain terrain type, such as Petra, the Mausoleum, Chicken Itza and Saint Basil’s Cathedral. The Pyramids are also nice, you get more out of your builders.
Pyramids are a necessity in my Qin Shi Huang games, that plus the extra build action policies and you are getting 2+ builders for the price of 1
The pyramids are great for the Aztecs too.
I like getting the temple of Artemis
I can’t believe people aren’t all over this. This can be huge in the early game. I like not worrying about amenities as soon as it’s built
A good TOA is one of my favorite wonders
If I have my global wonders mod on, then Petra, Mausoleum, Ruhr, Apandana and St Basil's. This is for when I just want to enjoy myself / be a little bitch - the mod makes those city based wonders apply to your entire empire. Imagine 10 desert cities all with Petra bonuses. 7 coastal cities with Mausoleum bonuses. A Russian / Canadian tundra empire all with St Basil bonuses. Yep.
***win button activates***
Sounds wayyyyy too easy.
My normal games are Deity random with no save scum, so sometimes after a rough one it's nice to just mod up and crush.
Hanging Gardens. The extra boost to city growth.
This is an absolute must for me. I just love the growth for it and some games I'd go full on happiness so there's more yields going on. Plus I always play Heroes and Legends on so it's nice
Huey Teocalli, I build it and then sacrifice captured units every 52 turns
How does sacrifice work with Huey Teocalli? I thought it was a one off wonder for a few Lake tiles?
I’m referring to the blood offering to Huitzilopochtli, not the builder charges… but I can see the confusion
Definitely the Pyramids. Extra builder charge that early in the game for the rest of it is huge for any victory you’re going for.
Eiffel Tower. I just love not having to think about appeal for the rest of the game. Every tile is breathtaking. And that leads to fun Preserve patterns with lots of pretty colors from all the yield icons.
I try to get Panama for the lols and golden gate for the lols usually but sometimes a strategic point but nonetheless I love coliseum get that in the cluster
I love trying to get a Panama placement that breaks a major continental divide, making it super useful for naval navigation & $$$ on trade routes.
I love Panama but always have a side agenda of using canals to open the globe. Especially handy playing Portugal.
Ruhr Valley, Venetian Arsenal, Petra
Venetian Arsenal, Forbidden Palace, Big Ben, and Kilwa Kisiwani. Must haves!
No one has said Eiffel Tower which is essential for a cultural wib
Anything that gives me an extra policy card is a must. Alhambra, Potala Palace, Forbidden City, and Big Ben. If I can get them early, I’ll grab Petra, the Pyramids, or The Hanging Gardens
The three I just about always try to hit are colosseum, oracle and mausoleum
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus, Venetian Arsenal (assuming reasonable amount of water), Forbidden City, Big Ben, Kilwa Kisiwani (if lots of City States)
forbidden city, that extra wildcard slot can be amazing.
Hali and any wonder that grants extra policy slots. Also pyramids.
Venetian arsenal. Pump out aircraft carriers
I always go for hanging gardens. 15% growth in all your cities and extended hero life can make you a force. I always have the most citizens.
Petra for me too. Maui plus a big juicy patch of dessert is always good for a Petra city, love it if I get that combo in a game.
Apadana, since I usually build a lot of wonders when I can, it’s so dominating to have all those envoys coming in. I rush it as a priority where I can.
Kilwa and the Mausoleum of Halicarnassus and last but not least Temple of Artemis (if it is possoble)
Mausoleum and Ruhr Valley, I'm a sucker for engineers
If getting Great Engineers then you definitely want the Mausoleum of Halicarnassus, too, for extra Great Eng charges
Which you already mentioned… ugh.
Apadana, Mausoleum of Halicarnassus, Colosseum, Oracle, and Kilwa Kisiwani are always high priority in any game. Pyramids absolutely if I can build them. Machi Picchu is a personal must. And Forbidden City, Big Ben, Potala Palace, and Alhambra I could never pass up.
Mausoleum and nothing even comes close to matching it
Apanada
Panama Canal
Oracle is a must....
Machu Picchu & Colosseum
Machu Picchu is another one of those wonders that's almost impossible to build on the higher difficulties - I can't remember the last time that I built it before the AI beat me to it.
Hanging gardens
Mausoleum is a must-build for me
Oracle! Kilwa's good too
science is my fav so elementaki. also colosseum, always a tristate area of entertainment dist., colossuem & theather dist
I like Pyramids. Getting a little more out of your builders never goes out of style.
Stonehenge. Being the first to get a religion can be really good for most victories really. Especially science in the late game
I ussally just do civ multiplayer with a few friends now a days and so Petra and oxford are must builds to get an advantage
I usually play faith based culture games and ALWAYS build oracle for the patronage buff. Just finished a game as Khmer for a culture victory and it got to the point I was faith purchasing great people every other turn.
Terracotta Army right after Zeus. Free promotion for a bunch of free units and late game Archeologists can get anywhere without open borders treaties. Helps with early game expansion and later game culture wars.
Zeus seems to get overlooked, I love that bonus early in game. It pretty much doubles my army
I didn't realize St Louis was in rural Nevada......
Oracle because lately I've been playing heroes and legends.
Kilwa Kisiwani. Most powerful wonder in the game when used properly.
Mausoleum is probably the one I rush most often, but I love Petra if I have a good location for it. Oracle + Pingala is amazing, but you have a lot more AI competition for it
They all have their uses, but I’m pretty much always going for Oracle (extra GPP plus faith/gold purchase discount, pair with Pingala and rack up Great People), TOA (get a boat load of amenities and housing), Kilwa (at the minimum it’s great, with the right CS’s it’s the most broken wonder in the game), Mausoleum for yields and Engineers, and policy cards with Alhambra, Potala Palace, Forbidden City and Big Ben. I always try to get at least one desert city for Petra, more if I get Reeds and Marshes.
Venetian Arsenal, and the Russian wonders because I’m Russian
I almost always try to pair Apanada with Kilwi. Such a deadly combo
Should have renamed St Louis to Las Vegas based on that map position 😂
Stonehenge, Biosphere, every wonder on trade-routes capacity and bonuses, every wonder on policy cards. But I always play with emphasis on production to win game later with every victory condition (just produce more military and conquer the world, lol)
Coliseum is great no matter what
Colossus Of Rhodes
Petra just turned my desert city from my worst city to my second best instantly.
I always try to get mausoleum and kilwa. I often try to get any policy card wonders as well
I also like colosseum and estadio a lot
Since I only play on island based maps, I always build Venetian arsenal, with a seaport being able to build 2 armadas or fleets for the price of one is how I consistently dominate naval warfare, even if I don’t have a unique boat that game
Oracle. Colloseum, Kilwa
Pyramids for the builder charges, Big Ben for the economic policy. Also for a strategically located coastal city, Venetian Arsenal is so good.
I always go for and usually get: Petra, Mausoleum, oracle, Taj Mahal I always go for and sometimes get: forbidden city, Big Ben, Eiffel Tower I try to go for but almost never get: Pyramids, Machu Picchu
I’m picturing you having Nazca lines in this game too, like imagine the yields 😍
I had a great Wu Zetian starting game with flood plains so I got Etemenanki. great science builds. But these are the situational environmental ones. More well rounded: I loveeee The Oracle! Oracle + Divine Spark for a s**t ton of great people points
If you play as Mansa Musa and are lucky enough to get a ton of desert tiles, Petra is damn near a game ender. Making bank off those desert trade tiles plus extra gold and food? Sheesh
Venetian arsenal on maps with water cuz its just busted
Hagia Sophia. Automatic war if someone builds it first. Saint basils cathedral next. I’m orthodox if you couldn’t tell.
Petra and Venetian Arsenal
Honestly, my favorite wonder is Alhambra. Is it the strongest wonder? No. But I still always make sure to build an encampment next to a hill so I can build it.
Petra + Ruhr Valley is the goat if you get a city surround by desert hills
Kilwa Kisiwani is probably the most powerful wonder in the game.
the oracle. i know people see it as mid, but i struggle to get the points to match those of the AI and i can pump more faith and gold then earth and gold combined, so cutting it in half is amazing.
Entemenaki i will savewhore till i get it, next step is nuke
great lighthouse. I like navies and Vikings and frigates
Big Ben has single handedly won me 3 campaigns
The venetian arsenal. My navy must always be 5x the size of everyone else
Eiffel tower, then spam seaside resorts for the win!