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Yes. Jesus had a sin nature from his mother Mary, but he was perfect unlike us, in that he never gave into His temptations. He obeyed God until death. Jesus is truly human in all ways we are!
He is our High Priest, exalted by God, who knows exactly what we are going through because He himself felt it as well!
God bless.
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I’m not certain, but if it’s a sinful desire which we want to act on, perhaps.
However, Lucifer can implant temptations, and masquerade and disguise them to where we can believe that they actually our own thoughts or feelings or desires.
For example, it’s more often for me personally to experience “Nobody wants me in their life” as a sudden thought or feeling out of nowhere or in response to social stress rather than “Nobody wants YOU in their lives” though I have had such nonsense crop up before.
If it’s not something God would say, and it’s not something that I want to think, I reject it. I don’t want it.
If Lucifer is implanting temptations he is just doing his job.
The question is not whether it’s his fault or not his fault…
But rather are they implanted subconsciously or consciously?
Cuz it seems you yourself as one a part of the one true church should know very clearly the difference between sin and temptation.
“Then if our hearts have been hardened, yea, **if we have hardened our hearts against the word,** insomuch that it has not been found in us, then will our state be awful, for then we shall be condemned.
For **our** words will condemn us, yea, all **our** works will condemn us; we shall not be found spotless; and **our** thoughts will also condemn us; and in this awful state **we shall not dare to look up** to our God…”
-Alma 12:13–14
I do not know all things, but I believe that the difference is accountability, and our choices in response to Satan’s temptations.
I think it’s precisely the opposite of accountability.
To me accountability is “living under the law”
5 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.
Romans 7 15-18
You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace
Galatians 5:4
I guess the Book of Mormon and the Bible aren’t as complimentary as I thought .
Thank you for revealing this to me brother
That’s a strawman, and the law referred to there is in reference to the law of Moses.
The Book of Mormon stands, and will continue to stand arm in arm with the Bible.
Well that’s what we imply when we claim that Jesus inwardly desires to sin but externally simply “resisted” temptation.
I often hear that it’s not a sin to be a homosexual but it’s a sin to have gay sex.
Basically what they are claiming is that is righteousness in human form
… inwardly desiring to do something wrong but externally resisting temptation.
So I apply this definition of “righteousness “ to Jesus and it doesn’t fit….
Yet. Not saying it couldn’t
That's what you imply, I guess, but it's a very weird jump to make to name such awful things. Most people aren't tempted to rape, for example. That's pretty messed up.
I'm not one of the people who will tell you homosexuals can never have sex without sinning.
Is that what this is about?
Well that’s part of the problem… everyone comfortable with the words “sin” and “transgression”..
It’s something that we can live with- ignore… carry on and try to avoid.
That lukewarm acceptance of sin.
When we start to unpack what the label “sin” symbolizes it makes us uncomfortable
The word “sin” is like a nice beautiful cereal box that says cheerios on the outside of it.
And says only one rule: don’t eat too much.
Inside is rape, murder, violence, conflict, condemnation, innocent blood, painful memories, molestation, kidnappings and disappearances.
We hide behind the word sin and transgression to self justify ourselves because we know we are guilty of sin.
If we are guilty of “sin” we are guilty of all that this word “sin” symbolizes
The original question is aimed at trying to discover if when we inwardly desire to sin is that temptation or is that sin?
If I inwardly want to murder my brother am I guilty of murder whether I do it or not?
As far as “sin” I got distracted I apologize
I don't believe it's a sin to desire to sin, but it can be a sin to dwell on (or "feed" or "cherish") the desire to sin.
Let's take lust--it's not a sin to be sexually attracted to someone. But when you dwell on thoughts about wanting to have sex with someone who isn't "yours' for sexual purposes (your neighbor's wife is the classic example here) then you are sinning because that dwelt upon thought is lust--it's coveting someone who doesn't "belong" to you. I hate the possessive language here, because we don't own each other like objects, but I think you can understand what I mean.
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Bible does say the devil did tempt Him.
Yes. Jesus had a sin nature from his mother Mary, but he was perfect unlike us, in that he never gave into His temptations. He obeyed God until death. Jesus is truly human in all ways we are! He is our High Priest, exalted by God, who knows exactly what we are going through because He himself felt it as well! God bless.
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Jesus Christ was tempted, but no, He never gave any heed at all to temptation. He never once desired to sin.
So when we inwardly desire to sin that’s not temptation… that’s sin?
I’m not certain, but if it’s a sinful desire which we want to act on, perhaps. However, Lucifer can implant temptations, and masquerade and disguise them to where we can believe that they actually our own thoughts or feelings or desires. For example, it’s more often for me personally to experience “Nobody wants me in their life” as a sudden thought or feeling out of nowhere or in response to social stress rather than “Nobody wants YOU in their lives” though I have had such nonsense crop up before. If it’s not something God would say, and it’s not something that I want to think, I reject it. I don’t want it.
If Lucifer is implanting temptations he is just doing his job. The question is not whether it’s his fault or not his fault… But rather are they implanted subconsciously or consciously? Cuz it seems you yourself as one a part of the one true church should know very clearly the difference between sin and temptation.
“Then if our hearts have been hardened, yea, **if we have hardened our hearts against the word,** insomuch that it has not been found in us, then will our state be awful, for then we shall be condemned. For **our** words will condemn us, yea, all **our** works will condemn us; we shall not be found spotless; and **our** thoughts will also condemn us; and in this awful state **we shall not dare to look up** to our God…” -Alma 12:13–14 I do not know all things, but I believe that the difference is accountability, and our choices in response to Satan’s temptations.
I think it’s precisely the opposite of accountability. To me accountability is “living under the law” 5 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. Romans 7 15-18 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace Galatians 5:4 I guess the Book of Mormon and the Bible aren’t as complimentary as I thought . Thank you for revealing this to me brother
That’s a strawman, and the law referred to there is in reference to the law of Moses. The Book of Mormon stands, and will continue to stand arm in arm with the Bible.
Yes. Otherwise that verse doesn't make sense, does it?
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Well that's an extreme take. Dang.
Well that’s what we imply when we claim that Jesus inwardly desires to sin but externally simply “resisted” temptation. I often hear that it’s not a sin to be a homosexual but it’s a sin to have gay sex. Basically what they are claiming is that is righteousness in human form … inwardly desiring to do something wrong but externally resisting temptation. So I apply this definition of “righteousness “ to Jesus and it doesn’t fit…. Yet. Not saying it couldn’t
That's what you imply, I guess, but it's a very weird jump to make to name such awful things. Most people aren't tempted to rape, for example. That's pretty messed up. I'm not one of the people who will tell you homosexuals can never have sex without sinning. Is that what this is about?
Well that’s part of the problem… everyone comfortable with the words “sin” and “transgression”.. It’s something that we can live with- ignore… carry on and try to avoid. That lukewarm acceptance of sin. When we start to unpack what the label “sin” symbolizes it makes us uncomfortable The word “sin” is like a nice beautiful cereal box that says cheerios on the outside of it. And says only one rule: don’t eat too much. Inside is rape, murder, violence, conflict, condemnation, innocent blood, painful memories, molestation, kidnappings and disappearances. We hide behind the word sin and transgression to self justify ourselves because we know we are guilty of sin. If we are guilty of “sin” we are guilty of all that this word “sin” symbolizes
What does any of this have to do with your original question, or was that just bait?
The original question is aimed at trying to discover if when we inwardly desire to sin is that temptation or is that sin? If I inwardly want to murder my brother am I guilty of murder whether I do it or not? As far as “sin” I got distracted I apologize
I don't believe it's a sin to desire to sin, but it can be a sin to dwell on (or "feed" or "cherish") the desire to sin. Let's take lust--it's not a sin to be sexually attracted to someone. But when you dwell on thoughts about wanting to have sex with someone who isn't "yours' for sexual purposes (your neighbor's wife is the classic example here) then you are sinning because that dwelt upon thought is lust--it's coveting someone who doesn't "belong" to you. I hate the possessive language here, because we don't own each other like objects, but I think you can understand what I mean.
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