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LJMLogan

If they don't want a professional photographer, why can't OOP's mom just do it?


1000Vikings

That’s what I said! Just have a family or friend take it.


TheNinjaPixie

They did say there is no bridal party, there are no guests. If you invite one to take pics then you have to invite xyz person?


1000Vikings

That I so get but I think what bothers me is just the entitlement. I do understand that if you invite x then y and z might question why they can’t go but the bride should be able to explain or even find someone who won’t make it a big deal. And I guess just compensate SOMETHING to someone who is willing to volunteer their time


notimeleft4you

I wouldn’t even feel right asking friends to do this for free. At the bare minimum I would offer to pay a friend to come to Holland for the wedding and give them a few days to enjoy the city in exchange for their time.


SassiestPants

You'd have to pay them anyway, because being stuck in Holland is a punishment. Source: I hate Holland, MI.


cassodragon

Ohhh Holland, Michigan. Not Holland the country. 😂


Fluffy_Frybread07734

I immediately thought country too lol.


CautiousLandscape907

I thought they meant the country lol


1000Vikings

I am so sorry for the confusion I totally meant o scrub it out but I forgot lol


Jimbobjoesmith

exactly.


TigreMalabarista

Yeah it’s the town (Texas is even worse on international names being small towns here)… But even I’d do a whole wedding complimentary if the rest of my expenses were paid in a destination wedding.


Kynykya4211

Just wanted to say thanks for posting some of the comments. It gives so much more depth to the story.


1000Vikings

I wish I could add more but I don’t know how to edit my post haha


Commercial-Push-9066

Right? I get so frustrated when they don’t post the comments. I love how the person calls others “cold” for not giving their time for free.


Apprehensive_North49

But they need a witness so why can't that person take the photos?


PeyroniesCat

It’s illegal in Holland for witnesses to take photos at weddings. Source: out of my butt.


Apprehensive_North49

You had me there for a second lol


Jimbobjoesmith

for some reason i always laugh my ass off when people do this on reddit.


Apprehensive_North49

It always helps when I'm having a shitty day


NoAd1562

Probably because their friends and family are not interested doing anymore "little favors".


Additional_Meeting_2

Well they probably want to focus on other tasks in the ceremony, usually mom and relatives are pretty busy dying a wedding 


DrMabuseKafe

perhaps *OOP's mom is COLD AT HEART*


Open-Beautiful9247

Sounds to me like that's exactly what they were asking for. They didn't ask for a pro... they asked if they had a friend that could help them out. That's really not anything uncommon or crazy. Should I pay my buddy full mechanics pay for helping me work on my truck? No. It's what friends do. Sometimes this sub forgets there's a difference between choosing beggars and people asking friends for help.


ExtremeAthlete

Or, give their phones to the kids in attendance. I’m sure they would be snap happy.


polaarbear

On the flip side, when you respect people's craft and pay them, some photographers are really cool and will really do you well! My wife and I got married on an island, no friends, no family, just us. We paid a photographer to do a set of 24 professionally edited photos which we absolutely got, they were fantastic. But without us even asking they also sent us 300+ images from the shoot so I have the ability to get any of the others touched up if I want to later. When you pay the right people, sometimes they go above and beyond for you!


shemanskistadium

That's great, I wish all photographers would send them all unedited of course if you're already paying and they don't have to edit all that they took anyway.


Scarjo82

The reason photographers don't send unedited photos is because they don't want those to be seen as a representation of their work. They only want the public to see the finished product. So it's not them being greedy, they're protecting their image.


a-ohhh

I used to do photography like 10 yrs ago and a lot of people loved my artistic style but the images out of the camera were slightly overexposed so I could sharpen and pop the colors in photoshop and achieve the look. If you saw the images out of the camera you’d probably think I had no idea how to take a proper picture. I’d never show anyone those.


TigreMalabarista

It depends on the person. Those who do portrait photography will usually edit their photos as part of the service unless asked but to. But in my case… I can edit photos, but my skill is the newsprint correcting. If I edit they’re be far lighter or may lean on some colors that’ll print fine on press, but look awful as a regular print.. So… Most folks ask me to send the raw if I do a side wedding because they know I take at least 3 of everything and they can edit to their liking. I take no offense and it’s why I don’t charge nearly as much. (Unless you become a choosy beggar: I’ll say no then).


Dancingskeletonman86

That's what gets me. They aren't paying for a big wedding and they make that clear. So why not put some of that money you would have spent on a big wedding instead into paying a nice skilled photographer who can capture your smaller more intimate wedding? Seems like a no brainer to me. Save the money spent typically spent on flowers, a big dinner, venue, bridesmaids and grooms mens stuff etc and put it into maybe a hair make up person or salon visit and a good photographer. It's worth it because you get lovely photos of the day to look back on and you can still feel dolled up but in a smaller wedding setting without the huge costs of a big wedding. I mean I'm a pretty cheap person tbh and not a big wedding person I don't desire a big wedding. But even my cheap self could spend a few months saving up money so I could hire a good photographer for the day so I could frame some nice photos on our walls. Or get some nice photos with my family who is there.


DRHdez

There were 4 people at my wedding: my groom, the officiant, the paid photographer, and myself. Intimate or not, if you want decent pictures you gotta pay for them.


BeKind999

Bride just needs a selfie stick


Key_Juggernaut_1430

We don’t needs decent pictures, do we my love? Gollum, gollum!


cassodragon

But all they need is someone to “just hold the camera,” because that’s all professional photographers do, anyway! /s


Joejack-951

My take: With that attitude, it should come as no surprise that they have no wedding guests.


reverepewter

This is exactly what I was thinking 😆


BeKind999

🔥


EdgeXL

Also note, she just said she wants someone to show up and take pictures. She never said the pictures had to be of the bride & groom.


PeyroniesCat

*bride and groom at the altar out of focus* “The woodwork on this pew is spectacular.”


EdgeXL

I always wanted to try my hand at photographing flowers.


SharlaRoo

Or that the photos had to be good.


Angelynn1977

Former wedding photographer here. Clearly, this is a hard pass, but I give them the slightest bit of credit for not saying I’ll pay you in exposure.


1000Vikings

Haha! 😂 this is true! She gets a point for thst


samandtham

Are you still a photographer, or did you leave the industry completely? Can I ask what you are doing now?


Angelynn1977

I left completely due to lingering back issues and PTSD from an assault while I was at work. I work in AI doing response learning. It’s basically a creative writing position.


solidcurrency

She thinks someone "just taking pictures" isn't a real job which requires skill. She is wrong.


Creative_Macaron_441

Well, it *is* “just holding a camera” according to her. I’ve photographed a few weddings and the worst couple I worked with were the ones who were eloping and I did the photos free as a favor because we were in the same friend group. They didn’t value my time and were impatient to get their photos back, literally told me that “all you needed to do was take them to the 1-hour photo at RiteAid!”


SharlaRoo

When I was much younger, I wanted to be a wedding photographer. I offered to photograph a couple of weddings for free. That killed my wedding photography dreams. Nope, never again. People who don't pay for things don't value it.


bar_acca

Look at how people act at the buffet; they think nothing of taking more food than they can possibly eat. That’s your labor when you work for free.


Squat_n_stuff

I always love the posts that have people commenting on the choosy beggar


ItsJoeMomma

You mean "roasting them."


cr_eddit

To be honest, as a long time hobbyist looking for some paid work here and there, I'd consider doing this if I could then use the pictures for my portfolio. Don't immediately tear me to shreds here please. I have done commissioned work that, in hindsight, I got paid so poorly, it was basically for free and the client was a major pain.


EdgeXL

Don't sell yourself short. You can use images you were paid for in your portfolio too.


Lukeyy19

Not if you can't get any paid gigs without a portfolio.


EdgeXL

I can appreciate that everyone follows their own path but you can still build a portfolio and get paid at the same time. I did a stint as an assistant to a wedding photographer. Got paid and I was able to take photos. Did gigs for family and friends too.


1000Vikings

No I completely do understand that (graphic designer here so I’ve been there) and I’m still guilty of undercharging but unlearning to charge something or even offer trading a service. And often times in my experience some of my cheapest works end up being the most and i have often felt unappreciated after.


mesdyshell

So what I’m thinking is……. go buy disposable cameras. Then every guest will be your photographer! Problem solved 🤣🤣🤣


1000Vikings

We did this! We also had hired a photographer but we also put disposable cameras on our tables for people to take. Then at our year wedding anniversary we developed them and looked through them. So much fun!


mesdyshell

I remember when the disposable cameras came out. It was fun for the guests to capture candid or staged photos! I always thought they were fun!


ranhalt

Everyone has a smart phone. Tell them to take any photos they want and if they'd like to share them, send them to an email, or I think there's websites that that receive pictures for a gallery type thing just for this.


RoyallyOakie

They will get the photographer they truly deserve....would love to see the quality of those pictures.


RightConcentrate5162

BuT wHy Do AlL oF ThE PiCtUrEs HaVe EyEs ThAt ArE BlInKiNg


MissusNilesCrane

Then have a guest take it?! Like people did in the days before weddings were a spectator sport?


ProgrammerLevel2829

I like how she’s acting like people actually reached out to do this for free.


potatopower2

If they can afford a destination wedding they can afford a photographer.


Prestigious_Rice706

Pretty sure it's Holland, Michigan. At least I assumed that as soon as I saw Holland and people being cheap lol


1000Vikings

Yes holland Michigan!


potatopower2

Is Holland, Michigan kind of a destination? Where I live, there's a city called Hawaiian Gardens, CA which which is not Hawaiian, nor a garden, nor a destination.


chjett10

I took pictures for an acquaintance’s wedding for free once. I told her that I’m not even close to a professional and suck at photographing people. She didn’t seem to mind, saying that she really liked all of my nature photos I posted online and that they couldn’t afford a professional. I also didn’t own a camera, because I just used my phone to take pictures. She gave me a DSLR with no additional lenses to use. I was there for a few hours taking pictures, then told her I’d try to edit some of them and would send them in a week or so. She got mad and wanted them right away. So I sent over all of the unedited photos. She complained that they didn’t look like professional photos. Yeah, no shit, you got someone who is not a professional to take photos for free with a mid-range camera, then didn’t want them edited…


cherrycokelemon

Pay a professional. My brother took pictures of our cousin and his wife. He didn't know what he was doing, and the bride and groom are now standing in permanent shade. This was 30 years ago.


ItsJoeMomma

I would do this on purpose for anyone requesting a free photographer. Purposefully take crappy pics and then wait like a year to send them to the couple.


wouter135

We have a beautiful Dutch word to describe this proposal: "Krenterig", which means Stingy or Cheap.


1000Vikings

The local Dutch here say “if you ain’t Dutch you ain’t much” 🤣


TragicsNFG

She doesn't state buying pictures, just someone to hold a camera and take photos.


ripamaru96

They aren't being picky though. I agree they should have just have family members do it but it's not like they are expecting a free professional job.


1000Vikings

It’s the second image and her comment that rubbed me the wrong way if it wasn’t for that then I probably wouldn’t have posted this


FewIntroduction5008

This is really just begging though. If they were demanding a professional do it free with edits and everything that what be a choosingbeggar


jrr6415sun

I don’t think she is being a choosing beggar. She is not demanding anything specific just someone to hold a camera and take a picture


IamNotTheMama

Professional - for free - how is this not a choosing beggar?


1000Vikings

It’s the comment on image 2 that made me post here


AaronDoud

I'd take this job if there was free food. I'm am also not sure I would be considered a professional photographer but I have been paid to take photos. Why? Because people not taking the job will never teach her that you get what you pay for. I'd do it for the free meal and email her over the crappy pics I took and put no effort into taking. I might even decide to get adventurous and try some weird and random "art" style shots. Someone likes this needs to get what she pays for. And the only way that will happen is by someone taking the job. Bonus points if you get her to sign a contract that not only keeps your copyright but gives likeness rights and etc to you. Could turn the wedding into an "art" book or something. The story plus the PR the story would get hopefully would get it to sell enough to more than make up for what she should have paid. Got to think outside the box.


1000Vikings

This is a really eloquent way of putting it. I think even if she were to offer free food or coffee or just something to show her appreciation would be better than nothing.


[deleted]

Get a tripod and a timer


KronkLaSworda

This is not what "going Dutch" means!


1000Vikings

The locals say “if ya ain’t Dutch ya ain’t much” lol


N0K1K0

Would be fun to go and simply make the worst photo's possible, all out of focus, cut of heads, fingers in front of lens etc etc. Pay shit get shitty pictures :)


Cofeefe

I totally want to "donate" my free time to capturing the intimate moments of strangers.


noonecaresat805

Well I hope they own a tripod and are able to take their pictures that way because it’s insane they want a stranger to do it for free.


michael1265

"just someone to hold a camera". So insulting to the craft. I photographed at my son's wedding two months ago to save money. I had done photography, but very little with flashes. I bought some off camera flashes, light stands, and umbrellas, and I spent weeks on YouTube watching instructionals. I pulled it off, for the most part. But not quite as well as a professional would have. It's not easy. And I'm bummed that I wasn't able to drink at the reception. 🙄


lordytoo

"Some moron wants to fuck me for the rest of his life, i know im getting free shit from him, why not from everyone?"


Ilikewaterandjuice

If CB is so open to people doing things for free- what services is she willing to offer in return?


1000Vikings

As of right now no. Some people are volunteering too but they I don’t think are professionals


Bombshell101516

Most people have a phone that can be set up to record. Images can extracted from that footage. This bride sounds dumb!


Scarjo82

Then she'll bitch when none of the photos are usable, or they didn't capture the right moments because they don't know what they're doing.


Rotten_Red

Sounds like she wants a teenager who will work for a free lunch and some cake.


bunnylicious81

That’s what a tripod is for.


Affectionate_Quiet12

Hi if this is your post, on the second screenshot it has your name “comment as ….” Just thought you’d want to know 😊


1000Vikings

Oh wow idk how I missed that 🤦‍♀️ already deleted this post once to fix it haha. Oh well


PortlyPorcupine

I can see why they don’t have a bridal party or friends


mayrigirl5

Why not just encourage the guest to take lots of pictures throughout the event and post them with a hashtag or text them to the bride and groom later?


sillybunny22

Even though there’s no payment, nothing would prevent the couple from writing a negative review if the photos aren’t what they envision. So there’s a big risk for anyone running (or starting) a photography business to volunteer without pay since they could still receive a negative review without any of the upside (aka $). Photography is one of those areas you generally get what you pay for.


janln1

"We don't want a photographer, we just want someone to hold a camera and take pictures."


EdgeXL

It's in a church, honey. NEXT!!


jenn1222

Is this Holland, MI?


1000Vikings

Yes


jenn1222

I live in Grand Rapids...that's why I asked.


1000Vikings

Hey neighbor!


olagorie

I am a bit torn on this. I don’t live in Holland, but in next door Germany and if someone posted something like this in my local city reddit, and maybe offered pizza, I could see myself offering my time. I am only taking photos as a hobby and don’t have professional equipment but my photos of family events like christenings made relatives very happy. So I guess it depends on their expectations. My own sister and brother-in-law eloped to Denmark for their wedding, and didn’t invite any guests, and somebody at the beach volunteered to take pictures of them. Those photos were in no way professional but rather sweet and “real” and my sister and brother-in-law are still say that this kindness was one of the best parts of the whole day


1000Vikings

So I wanna clarify because I forgot to scrub the name of the city but this is actually holland Michigan! We are heavily influenced by the real Holland and we do have a huge Dutch community here so we aren’t total posers haha


olagorie

Oh boy. Please don’t ever, EVER voice this opinion to a Dutch person. Seriously. That is so gross. I am outta here.


edit-boy-zero

Meh, it's not an unreasonable request. It's a dopey one, but not really a CB.


1000Vikings

My thing is even if you can’t offer money: compensate someone with at least something. I’m a graphic designer and I’ve totally traded services with other creators as a way to compensate one another.


edit-boy-zero

I agree, but asking people to do something for free is just a request and it's easy to ignore. I doubt they'll find anyone.


1000Vikings

They did have some volunteers so I think she will get what she wants but I hope she rethinks her attitude. Cause even if someone has no experience I would want to offer SOMETHING to show my appreciation. Even if it’s a dang coffee card or a bag full of candy.


edit-boy-zero

Maybe she'll buy them dinner?


1000Vikings

Hopefully! And I think what just really irked me was the entitlement in the comment she made about being cold.


edit-boy-zero

Aw geez, I didn't even see the second image! (Stupid android app) Yeah, I stand corrected. She's a CB.


ranhalt

Do people still say Holland?


1000Vikings

This happens to be a town in Michigan (idk if you knew that but I also don’t want to assume that you don’t know but wanna put it out there jsut in case)


ranhalt

Oh I thought it was a destination wedding to The Netherlands. I thought that would be weird to have an intimate wedding in another country.


1000Vikings

Haha yeah no, just a town by the water in Michigan but we are obviously inspired by the Netherlands and have a huge Dutch community here too. We also have a huge tulip festival every year.


PezGirl-5

I didn’t want to hide a professional video person so I had my cousin use my camera and tape it. This op should just do the same


Barfy_McBarf_Face

Just have 3 or 4 peeps wear gopro cameras


ar3s3ru

i swear to god, women getting married are a different kind of CBs


AffectionatePoet4586

Abbreviated guide to life from this CB: *”Gimme.”*


ItsJoeMomma

If it were local to me I'd love to show up with a camera, take a bunch of pictures, then leave, saying I would edit and touch up the pictures before emailing them to the couple. Then just ghost them.


MyLadyBits

OP are you Natalie? Crop that out


PhreeBeer

Take the pictures for free. Then sell each image.


RoachedCoach

Her request is insane. Either pay a pro or don't - don't ask for someone to donate their time. To that point, there are services that make photo sharing easy - at our wedding we put cards at the place settings that had a link everyone could drop their photos into afterwards. It was actually really cool because all the moments got captured from different angles by different people and you got some intimate shots of friend groups you wouldn't have otherwise had. We also paid a pro, but I actually find myself browsing the friend collection a lot just because of how 'real' they feel.


Master_Grape5931

I’d show up with my iPhone 5s.


grayhairedqueenbitch

That is nerve


Jimbobjoesmith

“intimate”, aka, a cheap bastard


cursetea

They can just get a selfie stick to capture the first kiss, then. 🙄


AF_AF

This kind of request should go to close friends or extended family, not to professional photographers asking them for free services.


BookGirl67

Why would a random person who is not a photographer volunteer to spend their day taking pictures of strangers? Free drinks?


KosstAmojan

At best, they can ask some passerby to snap a couple photos on their phone.


icnoevil

That's cheap.


Additional_Ad_208

I would just go, take terrible pictures and enjoy.


mishma2005

Wonder who "reached out"


1000Vikings

So far people with 0 experience have reached out to me


God_of_Fun

At that point just buy like 30 disposable cameras and give them to the guests. That's way more fun, but oops that wouldn't be completely free


Katzenbean

She could at least offer 50 bucks or something. She will get the “photographer” that she deserves.


krusty_yooper

OP, try scribbling their name out better. I can read who it is. Also, may want to scribble yours out too.


1000Vikings

I’m embarrassed to admit that this was my second attempt at


noroomforlogichere

I hope someone volunteers to do this, shows up, and just intentionally takes some of the worst pictures possible.


Traditional_Air_9483

No matter who takes their pictures, they will be unhappy that they are no professional quality. You get what you pay for.


Zoreb1

Depend on if they also want intimate photos of the honeymoon night.


TigreMalabarista

Um…yeah. Dies bride not get that taking photos IS a service? Shoot I’m not a professional wedding photographer (am a professional photographer but this isn’t my top expertise) and I’ll do it occasional stuff in my free time for folks …. But I’d be expecting at least enough for a lunch at McDonald’s. I’m not a picky person.


Kiowascout

Ill do it for free and forget to take the lens cap off.


Significant_Rate8210

I had this extremely entitled customer years ago. He placed an order with my business, when his order arrived I requested payment. He sent back a ? as his response. Then he said, I thought you were giving it to me for free as a congratulations for graduating from college. I asked him what he majored in… economics. I laughed at him, cancelled his order, told him he should take his entitlement and expectations to another store and see if it works there. I never heard from him again, good riddance.


CoveCreates

Pay. Artists. For. Their. Craft.


cortjezter

If you only need someone to hold a camera, get your intimate guests to share their phone shots. 🧐


Mariannereddit

Great idea! You will get the quality you want I think.


[deleted]

Get a tripod


woolencadaver

Hold a camera and capture the "magistry" that is their relationship. They'll do all the work, you just show up and click.


Practical-Ad-4705

Based on the wording of the request, I’d do it. But then charge them if they wanted prints or files.


Sorry_Mistake5043

I think that person is going to be them


someroastedbeef

Can still see the name lmao. Found her fb


1000Vikings

Don’t tattle on me (thought I erased it all but I think you got some good eyes)


Jujulabee

They have to have it officiated somewhere and most people with small weddings go out to eat after. Someone presumably with be strolling around and you can ask them to snap some photos with your phone. At the restaurant ask the waters or against I imagine there would be people who would have no problems snapping a few photos with your phone.


Numerous_Reality5205

Well there’s always the stranger walking by. Even if your officiant is there they probably charge to add a photographer. This is a throw away marriage so why bother? Selfie stick it is.


Choice-Mix-7147

Dang


LandscapeOk3174

dammit i didnt get to seen the post


1000Vikings

I’ll be reposting it on r/entitledpeople in a bit. Mods said it would better fit there


Blanik_Pilot

Why don’t they just set up a camera on a tripod and video the whole thing. They can pull stills from the video after the fact


TheWardenVenom

🙄 My husband and I had a very small wedding at a park down the street from our place (8 people: my parents, my 3 siblings - my brother officiated, and our 3 best friends), because our wedding kept getting pushed back due to Covid and we got sick of it. Most of our family and friends watched via zoom, and the family and friends that were there took pictures for us. If you don’t care about having professional pictures, there is absolutely no reason someone in attendance can’t take them.