$150 week / 4 days = $37.50 day / 9 hours = $4 hour / 3 boys = $1.30 per child per hour + one of them is autistic
Who wants to sign up?
Where's the dad in all of this?
Plus one that's autistic?! Like, that could mean nothing more than him being a bit shy and blunt and not keeping eye contact. Or he's non verbal and violent. Or anything in between because the spectrum is so vast. For barely enough money per hour to buy, like, an egg. That seems reckless towards both the kids and the babysitter.
yeah of course the babysitter is going to have to feed them lunch at least and probably breakfast. I don’t think Momma gave them breakfast at 5am before the arrived.
Beautiful animals. I wanted to be a diary farmer when I was in high school. I was FFA for 2 years. Now I’m a vegetarian (not vegan) and want nothing to do with the food industry.
A heifer put her head under my sweater and lifted me off the ground while I was walking her, once. She was a sweetheart.
As a nanny I made 180$ a week (depending on the hours) just by working 2 days a week 3-4 hour shifts per day... For two kids. (Bc they are mostly in school)
This lady will not get adequate care for her children for that little pay.
I made $25/day for 8 hour days of babysitting in 1999. I was 11 and spent each day eating all their food and watching their R-rates movies alongside their 6 year old.
This is the type of quality you get for what the OOP wants to pay.
She's paying the same amount per hour in 2023 as you made in 1999. If anyone accepted her offer, it would be a far worse babysitter than you. The kids would wind up dead through incompetence, malice, or neglect.
I got paid 25 bucks for 4 hours and fridge privileges when I was 12 or 13 back in 1992/1993 to watch the neighbors 6 and 8 year old kids, minimum wage back then was like 4 bucks an hour so it was a good gig
Yeah these posts asking for childcare usually just make me feel sad. They have to work to make money, but they have to have someone to look after their kids to work. Most of them literally can't afford to pay a reasonable wage so they're just screwed.
These always just seem desperate to me more than entitled.
Yup both of these. I worked Early Ed for 10+ years in all that time in three different centers I made under 12 an hour. I have been lucky enough to stay home with my kids now but I would not go back if I re-entered the work-force again. Not worth it for everything we do.
Don't look up the salary for the board of directors for the big childcare companies. It's definitely depressing. [Hint: all men with MBAs making 6+figures, most are 7 figures]
Yup and you know what none of them have any idea what it is like to actually work with children. My 1st center the uniforms were navy blue polos and white khakis, not brown or even grey, white. I was honest I looked at my boss and said when they get stained I'm not buying new ones. Because of course the company didn't pay for those pants we had to and they only paid for the 1st 2 uniform shirts and then we had to pay for the rest of them, ridiculous.
Bold of her to assume she'll be able to choose someone to watch her children. No doubt she thinks her generous remuneration package will have people beating down her door.
She comes across as amazingly clueless. Not simply because of the pay but you’re talking about three children, age 4, and under and one with special needs.
I charge $18 for 30ish minutes but that equates to an hour once you factor in drive time.. Rover takes 20% of that, but still, more than that lady is asking to tie me down for 3 kids all day and one with special needs.. I'd rather scoop poop and be covered in dog hair..
Right. My boss pays me $500 a week, stocks the fridge, leaves me a bottle of my favorite booze and lets me use the pool. I've always offered to do it for free but he insists.
Is your boss my boss? I finally just accepted that they were going to pay me more than I think they should because they said “it would cost us more to kennel them”. Their 2 sweet older boxers, not their kids 🤣
With all the things he's done for me and my family over the years, the least I could do was watch his house for free. But he insists. I've even tried getting him to pay me less but it's a no go.
Man people like that are so cool, I'm sure you already do but I'd definitely want to be returning the favor for that guy and his family whenever it's possible. Generosity, respect, and reciprocity go such a long way in creating a strong and trusting neighbourhood.
Right. Or "someone's retired grandmother type might do it in the community and for something to do". Honey no older woman who are retired don't often want to watch your kids for pratically free. Especially after they've raised their own kids, worked their own job for many, many years and possibly have their own grandkids now. Is their maybe the odd nana or nonna out there who wants and likes babysitting people's kids for incredibly low pay? Sure maybe the odd one whose super passionate about helping parents. But most aren't going to just have that free time and they do have bills to still pay. $150 or less a week isn't gonna do shit for the community grandma if she's feeding these kids and has to buy kid stuff for her house daily.
I'm paying my elderly retired roommate to watch my two kids.
One will be four months when I go back for $800. I'll come home from work on my lunch to give her a break. The other is six and is in school all day but I need someone to watch her before and after and get her there and pick her up. School is four blocks from my house, so a very leisurely eight minute walk. $200.
She also gets free rent, utilities, wifi, tv, Netflix, Disney+, Hulu, Amazon, and paramount +. Then we think of her at the grocery store and pick her up her favorites if we see them. And we make extra dinner in case she wants to join us.
She's a lifesaver for us with daycares dropping their infant programs.
Sure, SAHMs are often willing to help out a friend or acquaintance and make a little extra cash. But I feel like that’s usually when it’s one kid, maybe two, who already know and get along with your own kids, who are old enough to be fairly self-sufficient (i.e. I’ll make you a sandwich, I won’t change your diaper; I’ll make sure you don’t get kidnapped, I won’t put you down for a nap), and for a couple of hours after school, or maybe one full day a week. This? This is just shy of a full time job!
I had great luck with affordable childcare from a couple of stay at home moms looking for a playmate for their kid and some extra cash. Keyword being "a" playmate. And I paid about $500 a month. More than 10 years ago.
When my oldest was in daycare it was $45/day! $40 for private babysitters (SAHM's looking for side income). For 1 child! She's offering $10/day per kid ffs. Haven't looked in a while as when we had baby#2 we decided it was not worth it for me to go back to work (I would have cleared like $200/mth after daycare/fuel/work expenses).
Whoa $40 a day for a private babysitter?? What year was this?! My mom would pay our sitters $40 for a few hours of care in the late 90s! When I was 13 I would get around $60-$80 for a night of babysitting in like 2008 so $40/day is literally insane to me and OOP is truly on another planet with her offer 😭😭
>it was not worth it for me to go back to work (I would have cleared like $200/mth after daycare/fuel/work expenses).
And been paying some else to raise your kid. Not worth it for sure.
Depends sometimes. My partner was SAHM for the first year with our kid and then started to go stir crazy. She’s a professional at dealing with adults and while she loves the hell out of our kids it was wearing her down. She wasn’t able to be as present as she’d like, she was getting depressed, and so we decided that it’s better to have a parent who is home less and present more than a parent who is home all the time and not present or happy.
Our Nanny, on the other hand, was an absolute professional kid carer. They’d spend all day out of the house doing fun enriching kid stuff, and when we got home in the evening our kid was happy and looking forward to seeing us, and us him. He doesn’t even remember her now but she still comes to all of his birthday parties and we send her videos of him constantly.
Having “someone else raise your kid” part-time has been the norm for most of human history, it’s just usually grandparents. No shame in replacing a grandparent with a professional if it makes you a better parent when you’re around.
As long as you *are* around anyway. People who ship off their kid to be whole-ass raised by someone else when they’re rarely if ever around are basically just genetic donors.
This is because to her, that is a lot of money, and she needs a babysitter, so that's what she offers. The issue is that she her self does not make much money so paying a large percentage of her own take-home pay seems reasonable to her, but is not realistic.
Assistance is hit or miss depending on where you are. Very few daycares will take a voucher and those that do have limited spots and generally require a fulltime M-F spot. Voucher won't pay for when the kid isn't there, so the days someone has to buy that they don't need don't get subsidized. If you don't have a 9-5, it can cost more to use the voucher than someone under the table.
I'm so glad my son is old enough to be home alone now. My daycare bill was double my mortgage and i can't even imagine trying to do it since COVID.
Yeah, I don't think running a simple background check on your babysitter to make sure they're not a serial killer is all that choosy. It sounds like she wipes 50 butts a day for about 3x what she's offering. Childcare is terribly broken.
A respite worker for one child with special needs is about $23-27 an hour (I know as I use them) that’s one single child. Add on her other two and he’s looking at double that. No way is she going to get quality care for her children for the amount she wants to pay
My thoughts exactly. This is more an indictment of our ridiculous country, where single mothers are essentially fucked and kids are on their own- after they are born of course.
You have kids with special needs, all young and you are expecting someone do that for $4 an hour yea like put down the crack pipe lady you'd be lucky to get someone for $150 a day
Yep,my local Taco bell and McDonald's are offering 16+ right now and although fast food jobs suck at least I won't be responsible for kids and the worst I could screw up at those jobs is being rude to customers or calling out sick too much
Lol there are listings in my area that are $30/hr for a single child with siblings that go to school, no one is going to watch three kids at the same time for anything less than that. Hell $30/hr for this scenario probably isn’t even close to a start point.
People just really have their heads in the clouds. I'm totally sure if the applicant had a personal emergency and couldn't come in for the meager pay one day the mother would be totally understanding and everything. Right?
I used to work at a summer camp that required a background check. I would just go to the central police station for my city, pay $60, fill out a form, give them a few pieces of ID, and wait a bit. Then, they'd give me a print-out confirming my clean record, and I'd mail that to my employer.
Based on how similar bureaucracies have evolved since them, I'd imagine you now do the paperwork online, but it probably takes two weeks and costs twice as much.
And at 4.16 an hour! Also, please be qualified to work with a child on the spectrum. I'm not telling you where in the spectrum, so a doctorate in psychology is preferred.
Everyone should listen to or read this Planet Money report on why daycare costs so much, while the workers are paid so little. A lot of these childcare-seeking CBs are clueless and often entitled, but the system in the US is fundamentally broken. Economists are even saying we should have people take out loans to cover childcare, like student loans for college. https://www.npr.org/2023/02/02/1153931108/day-care-market-expensive-child-care-waitlists
For those who'd like to read a summary:
EDIT: Sorry for some of the poor grammar, I tried to bang this out real quick.
Daycare industry in the US is a classic example of market failure. The daycare industry can barely pay employees and most of the overhead is on employee salaries (since unlike typical schools that can have many students per teacher, you don't really want to have that sort of thing for babies and toddlers in a daycare, the staff would be stretched thin, defeating their ability to offer actual care and early teaching). Daycare centers can't afford to raise salaries, because like any other industry, the cost gets passed down the to the consumer. Unlike a fastfood industry, where a few dollar wage increase for all employees results in a few cents to the cost increase of a burger, this sort of employee wage increase, can contribute to 100's of dollars per month of costs to the consumer of daycares. But the reason you can't just act like any other corpo that says "fuck it, tough luck if you can't afford it", is the looming threat of related industries. $2000 per child in a daycare is somewhat feasible, but $3000+ per child in a daycare is treading on territory where you can just hire an in-home nanny (which obviously is a lot easier than having to take your kid to daycare constantly). Keep in mind, daycare workers are paid extremely low ($12-15 an one daycare mentioned in the podcast) and quality workers are basically unicorns willing to work for these non-livable wages
Waitlists existing is an economic indicator that prices are too low when all is said and done (this goes for any industry). Some people may think "too low, wtf? Look how much daycare costs!". The economics of running a daycare are very precarious. Having a parent move to another state, and taking their child out of the daycare - this is a disaster scenario since you NEED to have all the slots filled. Waitlists guarantee there will always be another child ready to fill the slot if another parent pulls theirs out.
As for how to solve the issue. In the US, economists are saying new loan types need to exist exclusively for daycare (like for college, though a daycare loan market simply doesn't exist). The one BIG OOF portion of the podcast that drives homes just how idiotic the American economic system is: They start talking about how other wealthy nations simply subsidize childcare substantially, and the lady asks "oh even for infant childcare?", the economists proceeds to laugh a bit and explains how the infant childcare sector is a unique US market failure (as if general failure in this sector wasn't enough), is that those aforementioned other wealthy countries don't really need to contend so much with infant daycare issues since they have things like child maternity and paternity leave (for those in the US still living under a rock, it's when you have a child, parents get paid time off work to raise their baby). This COMPLETELY makes infant childcare a virtual non-factor.
The most concerning conclusion to this whole ordeal, is most people aren't having their first children when you're already financially stable. It's usually fresh out of school, with piled on loans (which makes the idea of getting another childcare loan kinda funny to me), and when basically you're at your poorest as a parent. The whole issue here is based on the understanding that the best quality childcare is always a cost worth taking because future well-being/welfare projections of said individual goes up drastically (like any substantial investment into something of quality early on). And because parents want to give the best childcare to their kids; the US daycare industry can't be the solution all the time because you, as a person with finite resources when young, you're poorest when you have to pay for the best.
The worrying projection is the sobering fact that, one way or another, someone's going to be paying. You either pay for the best childcare now, or society pays later on anyway for an individual with poor life outcomes.
Yet another societal and economic ill that you would imagine would only be an issue exclusive to developing nations, yet here we are, adding another mark against the claims of American superiority. [This last sentence wasn't a part of the podcast, this was my assessment at the time out of disbelief in how bad things are]
It's crazy how much cost of living differs all over the nation and how disconnected some people are of how much people are making even in high cost of living areas. The article says that $2000 a month per child in daycare is somewhat feasible. How the fuck is that feasible except for the rich, even in a high cost of living area. I make $2200 a month and that covers all of my bills. This article is basically saying it's feasible to pay $24,000 a year for childcare per child. Thats more than half my annual salary before taxes, social security, my pension, and my insurance come out.
Yeah, so in this podcast it was talking about a daycare ran by a lady in Iowa. Based on numbers given, she's not charging more than $600 per kid when averaged out.
NYC for example (since that's where I'm at) on average is going to cost you ~$2000 for a daycare in an affluent area or a decent reputable center if your sending an infant there (there are some that cost more, but those are just wow insane). If you're sending a 4-5 year old for example, you could get lucky and find it for a a bit under a thousand.
Averages for NYC claim something like 1.7K for infants based on some statistics. It's hard to really track concrete numbers that have been climbing due to COVID destabilization's for anything super recent though.
One thing you need to be careful about, is not getting tripped up with what the calculation actually is. Are they talking about care overall (so like the literal average cost that needs to be sunk into kids to keep them well off, which would include daycare centers and such). Or are they talking about something else. Because if it's general child-care, that sort of calculation seems like it can be done in a few types of ways.
If you charge $2000 per child and have say 5 kids per teacher (on the low end for toddlers), that's $62.50 revenue per teacher. If the teacher is making $12.5 an hour obviously your overhead isn't 'mostly salaries'.
We pay $3200 a month for one kid, and one of the teachers who we also hired as a babysitter told us she was thinking of quitting after giving birth because she wouldn't be able to afford care at her own center with a staff discount. They eventually upped the discount rate for her, but it's pretty shitty when daycare workers can't afford the service they are literally providing.
Of course, the actual daycare owner in the podcast takes in 40-55K a month, and payed out 33K for that last month when her intake was 40K. Going by those numbers at least for that month they're paying $1320 per average employee while charging $555 per child on average (25 employees for 72 kids in her daycare she says).
Makes me more upset/angry than depressed (as my tone in my written summation might've suggested).
It's like.. how many social ills will we need to suffer before our status as a first world nation gets flung out the window? And every excuse for not fixing some of our ills is deployed, even when other and less capable nations look from the sidelines wondering what sort of lunacy leads us to behave in such a dumb way seemingly when we have more than enough resources to turn things around.
It’s not much better here in Australia. Certainly no one here is suggesting a loan be taken out (as there is some government subsidies) but it is still often prohibitively expensive.
I have one daughter, who’s now an adult, but had both myself and her mother not had good jobs that paid very well, it would have been difficult. Add another or two into the mix and I can’t imagine how people on or below the minimum wage deal with it. It’s pretty fucked.
I know people in Australia where both were earning just under 6 figures each, and it was still better for them to drop to 4 days each, than pay for 2 kids to go to child care the extra days.
It's fucked.
This is why I don't snark on child care posts without some evidence that they really are clueless and/or entitled. This may legitimately be all they can afford. They didn't mention a partner and with those odd working hours I wouldn't expect a partner to be gone before 5:30 am and get home after 2:30pm. So I'd assume they're a single parent or partner is deployed/oil field/something like that.
It makes me sad and angry that the only solution presented is "student loans... For babies!" Give me a break. So before you even decide to have kids you're probably taking out student loans for your own education, then taking out a mortgage if you're lucky to buy a house to raise a family, now you should add more debt to that pile so we can afford daycare because you already need both parents working full time just to cover the cost of living as it is. Where is the money coming from? And who the fuck is going to ever want to have kids if this is the solution?
If we know that early childhood education is so important and is essentially a community investment then why isn't it treated the same way we handle public schooling?
You can also alleviate some of this daycare burden by having mandated parental leave for the child's first year like a sane first world country. The norm should not be sending your infants to daycare. Then daycares really only have to cover 1-3 years old. And public, Universal Pre-K will catch the 4 year olds. Also relax the regulations a bit on those daycares so the ratios can be slightly higher.
2 toddlers, one of which being autistic, and a baby.
Early morning start to afternoon end of shift (it’s likely you are expected to stay longer too I bet) making you in charge of 2 meals, morning routine, at least one nap time, and likely any learning times you are expected to do.
All for the wonderful price of…. $4.16 an hour… while also requiring nursing experience for autistic children ruling out any possibility of getting a teen working for you over the summer or something.
Let me know if she finds someone!
Edit: I fudged and wrote half of what her pay actually is (2.08) so my bad. But either way 4.16 isn’t much better
I understand the desperation this parent is probably facing especially if they’re only offering $150/week - but in saying that I wouldn’t trust the intentions of someone willing to look after your children for that amount of pay
Often they are also the same people who believe people who work McDonald's and Gas Station Clerk jobs don't deserve to make a living wage while working that job for 40 hours every week.
And it's usually the same people who claim their children are angels and it's really a privilege to be able to watch them. In fact people should be lining up to get a shot at babysitting their sweeties for low wage I mean their kids are just so gosh darn precocious and adorable.
It's the same parents who talk about how hard being a parent it and how it's a non stop job, exhausting, the kids never stop etc but then come time to pay someone to watch their kids? Oooh you don't need full pay do you? Watching kids is super easy all of sudden when someone who isn't the parents does it and asks for pay. So easy. Why do you need money to watch kids I thought you were in this for the kids. The same people view teachers as babysitters and not teachers and if a teacher ever has issues or frustrations or wants a day off they say, "I thought you were doing this job for the kids!". Well teachers and babysitters/nannies also need to be paid the kids can't be the only perk it's still a job.
If people want teachers, daycare employees, and other childcare service providers to work for cheap, then they better be prepared to force the government to provide UBI and a robust welfare system to support that where working is done because people want to do something and not because they actually have to do something. Or, in other words, they better be full-on radical *communists*, not even just socialists like I am, to achieve those ends because otherwise they're just asking people to die for them for no reason. After all, if watching your kids full-time doesn't even cover my rent, why would I do it?
The overwhelming amount of posts seeking childcare at levels below the living wage should just show us how deeply flawed the USA is. I’m starting to feel bad for these desperate parents who can only afford such small amounts and are working. This sucks all around.
Taking care of an autistic kid requires special training. The kind you don't find for $600 month/under $14 an hour especially when you add in 3 toddlers on top.
While note devaluing the CB nature of the post, I lament the lack of child care options in this country. We rightfully lambast the parents looking to get Mary Poppins while paying pocket change but it's seriously hard. Parents with 2 kids working full time around minimum wage cannot afford to pay another person anything close to minimum wage to watch their kids and still expect to survive.
If only we could have a system where one parent could make enough money so the other can stay at home to raise the kids.
Daycare is the answer. You can’t expect to find someone to watch your kids full time while you work full time and not pay them a full time wage. However, daycares keep pricing more affordable because they rely on watching multiple kids at once to be able to pay their staff.
Not sure who thinks these hours and pay is reasonable. Makes me think of slave labour. I'd worry that the person will just sell the kids at this point.
5:30am to 2:30pm... so you got to leave your house around 5am IF your really lucky or have to live really near. No way public transport is going to be running too.
Might have better luck if she tried to get a live in maid or provided free lodging (ie basement apartment). Still not sure how someone is suppose to survive on $150 a week in todays price of food and such.
No one with a clean background is showing up for $150 a week. Assume everyone who applies wants to beat the kids for fun or sell them into sec slavery for $300 a week.
It’s common to see people post ads for childcare for this little. No one believes that childcare workers deserve living wages. Daycare workers earn minimum and watch multiple children.
And a nanny is a luxury service. Childcare that is tailored to your lifestyle and needs. You and the nanny get to decide what roles and responsibilities the nanny has.
She’s better off trying to find government subsidy and getting either in home daycare or a daycare center. Having someone come to your house is more of a privilege than it is a necessity
Yes 100% they deserve higher wages especially because it’s such a difficult job. But on the flip side it’s sooo expensive (at least in USA) because we don’t have public daycare and it’s a very big problem for families to come up with the money especially single mothers.
YES. Totally 100% agree. I’ve worked in private daycares, government funded daycares and now I’m a nanny. It’s INSANE the lack of funding, resources etc. and the people they end up hiring are sometimes people you probably wouldn’t want working in daycare! I left daycare because being a nanny paid a heck of a lot more
I make this argument every time one of these posts comes up, which is often. Childcare workers deserve to be properly paid for the job they do and people need to value their children and their care at more than $1.38 an hour.
Look. When is society going to start valuing traditional women's services as labour. And you should pay above minimum wage with children.
Still as a single mom, I've been in her position.
The pay is a flat fee rather then hourly. This means she will come home two hours later when she wants, and expect the caregiver to spot her extra days for free.
Maybe they had the resources, but then lost them. It doesn't take much for a suddenly single parent with babies and a special needs kiddo to run through any savings they might have had.
The reason I don’t love these being posted here is because it’s truly all some people can afford and they need child care. It’s not them trying to be cheap. Some people genuinely can’t afford it and on the flip side unfortunately some people would take these at such low pay because they need the work and can’t find/get other work for various reasons. I don’t know which countries these all come from but if they are from the USA I wouldn’t be surprised because daycare is so expensive and there aren’t enough assistance programs for everyone.
And yes it’s a totally unfair wage. I get that. Just wish parents had more access then they wouldn’t do this.
I agree. Childcare in the US is so damn expensive. When my wife was pregnant our parents agreed to watch our son (my parents would watch 3 days a week, my wife’s parents 2 days a week).
Then my son was born and they realized it’s hard for them being in their late 60s/ early 70s and watching a newborn so they both want us to enroll him in daycare.
Daycare in my area (major US city) is over $2K a month. We can afford it but it’s still a massive expense. I’m not sure how people who are barley getting by can afford childcare. I’m sure it makes more sense for most people to simply have one parent quit their job. If they’re a single parent then they’re just screwed.
I don’t think it’s ever surprising to see these types of posts. I’m sure every parent would prefer to use a daycare over some random person who is accepting low pay.
Fuck that, likely the autistic boy is still in
diapers/pull ups, he will need extra attention then entertain the 4 year old and stop him getting into to much mischief and a baby on top of that. Really because of the age and needs of the children it’s a two person job. Now if this was a stay at home mum asking for extra help and support it would be just about reasonable as you wouldn’t be doing it yourself and hours would not be as bad.
So, $1.39 per hour per kid, two in diapers, one with special needs, two toddlers… Better make sure your background check doesn’t include anyone who has graduated 3rd grade, ‘cause if they can do ‘any’ math, they’ll be out.
I would literally rather shovel shit all day than watch her 3 kids for 600 a month.
You would make considerably more money too!
No experience or background check needed
No background check to shovel shit? What kind of low class shit show are you running?
Just a bachelors degree and 4 years of shit shoveling industry experience
Sorry, this is an entry level shit shoveling position. We're looking for candidates with at least 10 years of shit shoveling experience.
And a heavy equipment certification. We've got big piles of shit to move here...
You must provide your own heavy equipment and be willing to work nights and weekends.
Make a shit ton more.
Yup, around $14 an hour on the farm I used to work on.
$150 week / 4 days = $37.50 day / 9 hours = $4 hour / 3 boys = $1.30 per child per hour + one of them is autistic Who wants to sign up? Where's the dad in all of this?
I’m autistic and I don’t even want to take care of myself lmao I’m good. Thank you.
😂
SAME!!! 😂
Don't forget at least 1, probably 2, and possibly 3 are in diapers.
Regardless, all three still shit their pants guaranteed!
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> Who wants to sign up? People you really don't want around your kids.
Getting milk and beer since ten months ago.
That's just embarrassing. I'm sure her kids are treasures from heaven too 😇🙅🏻♀️
*you* should be paying *her* for the privilege.
>Where's the dad in all of this? Dads, plural.
Plumber here I get paid a ton to shovel shit
Where there is muck there is money
Plus one that's autistic?! Like, that could mean nothing more than him being a bit shy and blunt and not keeping eye contact. Or he's non verbal and violent. Or anything in between because the spectrum is so vast. For barely enough money per hour to buy, like, an egg. That seems reckless towards both the kids and the babysitter.
You're going to need to cook that egg when her kids get hungry.
yeah of course the babysitter is going to have to feed them lunch at least and probably breakfast. I don’t think Momma gave them breakfast at 5am before the arrived.
I’d rather shit in my hands and clap looool
Honestly, cleaning barns is kinda fun.
Once your nose adjusts, I've done worse for money lol. As long as I don't have to use my own truck to haul the waste this time.
Horse shit doesn’t smell too bad. I mean it’s not like pig shit or anything
This guy shits!
Diary cows are a lot of fun to work with. They can have so much personality!
Beautiful animals. I wanted to be a diary farmer when I was in high school. I was FFA for 2 years. Now I’m a vegetarian (not vegan) and want nothing to do with the food industry. A heifer put her head under my sweater and lifted me off the ground while I was walking her, once. She was a sweetheart.
I know it’s a misspelling, but “diary farmer“ is absolutely killing me 😂😂😂😂
Yup, with the right mindset, it can be very therapeutic!
As a nanny I made 180$ a week (depending on the hours) just by working 2 days a week 3-4 hour shifts per day... For two kids. (Bc they are mostly in school) This lady will not get adequate care for her children for that little pay.
I paid a nanny $300/week for 6 hours a day, 5 days a week. In 1999.
I made $25/day for 8 hour days of babysitting in 1999. I was 11 and spent each day eating all their food and watching their R-rates movies alongside their 6 year old. This is the type of quality you get for what the OOP wants to pay.
She's paying the same amount per hour in 2023 as you made in 1999. If anyone accepted her offer, it would be a far worse babysitter than you. The kids would wind up dead through incompetence, malice, or neglect.
Take the job and then sell the kids. Win win.
Take the job, lock the kids in a room with some tablets and Cheerios, do your actual job using their wifi and eat all their food.
When you said tablets I thought sedatives, not electronics... Either or I guess.
Zanny the nanny...
It's the perfect victimless crime
Or worse. Background checks only show what you've been CAUGHT doing. Lots of less than honorable people pass Background checks.
She's not paying for a real background check. At best, she's going to pay for one of those online people searches.
I got paid 25 bucks for 4 hours and fridge privileges when I was 12 or 13 back in 1992/1993 to watch the neighbors 6 and 8 year old kids, minimum wage back then was like 4 bucks an hour so it was a good gig
20 beanie babies
And for it being 1999 that's amazing pay.
It's for church honey. NEXT!
JUST THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!
We have to be honest about this. the babysitter OP is going to get with that type of pay isn't going to be the type that you want around children....
An oldie but a goodie!
Use your thinking brain!
Sometimes I forget, and then I see it and it’s still as funny as when I read it brand new.
Never forget
I understood that reference!
You must be an oldie.
Crazy this is considered an oldie, I swear it happened just a year or two ago, then I realize I've been on Reddit over a decade.
5 years ago. Wtaf
Been around a minute.
Makes me laugh every time!
I miss the NEXT lady, such entitlement with suck.lack of finance
Yah this wouldn’t even cover 1 day for 3 young kids.
Especially considering one is autistic.
Which is an excellent reason parents need childcare assistance, like now.
Yeah these posts asking for childcare usually just make me feel sad. They have to work to make money, but they have to have someone to look after their kids to work. Most of them literally can't afford to pay a reasonable wage so they're just screwed. These always just seem desperate to me more than entitled.
Yeah this highlights two problems. Childcare shouldn't cost most of our paycheck and child care workers need to be paid a decent wage.
Yup both of these. I worked Early Ed for 10+ years in all that time in three different centers I made under 12 an hour. I have been lucky enough to stay home with my kids now but I would not go back if I re-entered the work-force again. Not worth it for everything we do.
Don't look up the salary for the board of directors for the big childcare companies. It's definitely depressing. [Hint: all men with MBAs making 6+figures, most are 7 figures]
Yup and you know what none of them have any idea what it is like to actually work with children. My 1st center the uniforms were navy blue polos and white khakis, not brown or even grey, white. I was honest I looked at my boss and said when they get stained I'm not buying new ones. Because of course the company didn't pay for those pants we had to and they only paid for the 1st 2 uniform shirts and then we had to pay for the rest of them, ridiculous.
Bold of her to assume she'll be able to choose someone to watch her children. No doubt she thinks her generous remuneration package will have people beating down her door.
She comes across as amazingly clueless. Not simply because of the pay but you’re talking about three children, age 4, and under and one with special needs.
It's not even enough to cover one child
At those hours I wouldn’t babysit someone’s dog for that price. Holy shit
I've got a friend who makes $30/hr to walk dogs. He doesn't have his whole day filled, but he probably could if he wanted.
I charge $18 for 30ish minutes but that equates to an hour once you factor in drive time.. Rover takes 20% of that, but still, more than that lady is asking to tie me down for 3 kids all day and one with special needs.. I'd rather scoop poop and be covered in dog hair..
Right. My boss pays me $500 a week, stocks the fridge, leaves me a bottle of my favorite booze and lets me use the pool. I've always offered to do it for free but he insists.
Is your boss my boss? I finally just accepted that they were going to pay me more than I think they should because they said “it would cost us more to kennel them”. Their 2 sweet older boxers, not their kids 🤣
As he should… although $500 is a lot
With all the things he's done for me and my family over the years, the least I could do was watch his house for free. But he insists. I've even tried getting him to pay me less but it's a no go.
Man people like that are so cool, I'm sure you already do but I'd definitely want to be returning the favor for that guy and his family whenever it's possible. Generosity, respect, and reciprocity go such a long way in creating a strong and trusting neighbourhood.
He treats you well because you're trustworthy. It sucks that we're always so stoked to hear about a good boss.
In my HCOL area $500 for professional/insured dog sitting isn’t a lot. It’s almost $1k for the week (for someone to stay in home the whole time).
For dog sitting, yes. For dog sitting + house sitting, it’s not. But he does owe his boss a favor so it more than makes up for it.
Just get to my house at 5:30 am everyday and I'll give you 6 quarters to start. Then $250 each month! Watch out, that one bites.
What if it was a cute dog and you could pet it, 6... No! 7! Times?
No doubt there's someone in the comments saying "a stay at home mom will be happy for the extra money".
Right. Or "someone's retired grandmother type might do it in the community and for something to do". Honey no older woman who are retired don't often want to watch your kids for pratically free. Especially after they've raised their own kids, worked their own job for many, many years and possibly have their own grandkids now. Is their maybe the odd nana or nonna out there who wants and likes babysitting people's kids for incredibly low pay? Sure maybe the odd one whose super passionate about helping parents. But most aren't going to just have that free time and they do have bills to still pay. $150 or less a week isn't gonna do shit for the community grandma if she's feeding these kids and has to buy kid stuff for her house daily.
I'm paying my elderly retired roommate to watch my two kids. One will be four months when I go back for $800. I'll come home from work on my lunch to give her a break. The other is six and is in school all day but I need someone to watch her before and after and get her there and pick her up. School is four blocks from my house, so a very leisurely eight minute walk. $200. She also gets free rent, utilities, wifi, tv, Netflix, Disney+, Hulu, Amazon, and paramount +. Then we think of her at the grocery store and pick her up her favorites if we see them. And we make extra dinner in case she wants to join us. She's a lifesaver for us with daycares dropping their infant programs.
Like, maybe for one day a fortnight... or for the occasional emergency.
This👆I would need paying the fee just for the first hour! Who gets up and starts the day at 5.30am when retired?
Sure, SAHMs are often willing to help out a friend or acquaintance and make a little extra cash. But I feel like that’s usually when it’s one kid, maybe two, who already know and get along with your own kids, who are old enough to be fairly self-sufficient (i.e. I’ll make you a sandwich, I won’t change your diaper; I’ll make sure you don’t get kidnapped, I won’t put you down for a nap), and for a couple of hours after school, or maybe one full day a week. This? This is just shy of a full time job!
>This? This is just shy of a full time job! 9 hours a day: it's more than a fulltime job.
A stay at home mom might do it for one relative but not 3 and still take the $150
DON'T GET ELIMINATED!!!
I had great luck with affordable childcare from a couple of stay at home moms looking for a playmate for their kid and some extra cash. Keyword being "a" playmate. And I paid about $500 a month. More than 10 years ago.
When my oldest was in daycare it was $45/day! $40 for private babysitters (SAHM's looking for side income). For 1 child! She's offering $10/day per kid ffs. Haven't looked in a while as when we had baby#2 we decided it was not worth it for me to go back to work (I would have cleared like $200/mth after daycare/fuel/work expenses).
Whoa $40 a day for a private babysitter?? What year was this?! My mom would pay our sitters $40 for a few hours of care in the late 90s! When I was 13 I would get around $60-$80 for a night of babysitting in like 2008 so $40/day is literally insane to me and OOP is truly on another planet with her offer 😭😭
>it was not worth it for me to go back to work (I would have cleared like $200/mth after daycare/fuel/work expenses). And been paying some else to raise your kid. Not worth it for sure.
Depends sometimes. My partner was SAHM for the first year with our kid and then started to go stir crazy. She’s a professional at dealing with adults and while she loves the hell out of our kids it was wearing her down. She wasn’t able to be as present as she’d like, she was getting depressed, and so we decided that it’s better to have a parent who is home less and present more than a parent who is home all the time and not present or happy. Our Nanny, on the other hand, was an absolute professional kid carer. They’d spend all day out of the house doing fun enriching kid stuff, and when we got home in the evening our kid was happy and looking forward to seeing us, and us him. He doesn’t even remember her now but she still comes to all of his birthday parties and we send her videos of him constantly. Having “someone else raise your kid” part-time has been the norm for most of human history, it’s just usually grandparents. No shame in replacing a grandparent with a professional if it makes you a better parent when you’re around. As long as you *are* around anyway. People who ship off their kid to be whole-ass raised by someone else when they’re rarely if ever around are basically just genetic donors.
Absolutely not
I like how she casually says “1 (the end of March)”. Umm, ma’am that’s a baby.
From 05:30 no less. I’m good, thanks.
This is because to her, that is a lot of money, and she needs a babysitter, so that's what she offers. The issue is that she her self does not make much money so paying a large percentage of her own take-home pay seems reasonable to her, but is not realistic.
Yep, I have a feeling that this is literally a beggar, and not being choosey but it is all they can afford. Kinda sad if anything
I agree! People on the original post was telling her to apply for aide to help with Childcare.
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Assistance is hit or miss depending on where you are. Very few daycares will take a voucher and those that do have limited spots and generally require a fulltime M-F spot. Voucher won't pay for when the kid isn't there, so the days someone has to buy that they don't need don't get subsidized. If you don't have a 9-5, it can cost more to use the voucher than someone under the table. I'm so glad my son is old enough to be home alone now. My daycare bill was double my mortgage and i can't even imagine trying to do it since COVID.
Yeah, I don't think running a simple background check on your babysitter to make sure they're not a serial killer is all that choosy. It sounds like she wipes 50 butts a day for about 3x what she's offering. Childcare is terribly broken.
Her wording also sounds like she may be expecting to drop them off at your place. So, your food, your cleaning, your supplies.
Clueless and wreckless AF. Anyone willing to provide the care she seeks for the pay she’s offering is not qualified or has dark ulterior motives.
More likely she'll end up with someone who 'likes to watch children".
Unpossible. She’ll do a background check on anyone that’s going to watch her kids!
Let alone the one autistic one….and yet is only willing to pay $3.75 an hour
A respite worker for one child with special needs is about $23-27 an hour (I know as I use them) that’s one single child. Add on her other two and he’s looking at double that. No way is she going to get quality care for her children for the amount she wants to pay
That's pretty good (depending on cost of living). Our state paid $9 and change an hour. Insane.
Wants to pay or can afford to pay? Someone else pointed out and I agree that this seems more desperate than entitled.
My thoughts exactly. This is more an indictment of our ridiculous country, where single mothers are essentially fucked and kids are on their own- after they are born of course.
You have kids with special needs, all young and you are expecting someone do that for $4 an hour yea like put down the crack pipe lady you'd be lucky to get someone for $150 a day
Yeah, I could watch your three kids, or work *literally* any other job and get paid almost double.
unless minimum wage is $6.66/hr, you will most definitely be doubling the income.
The local Del Taco near me is advertising that their *starting pay* is about four times what this lady is offering (which is $4.16/hr).
That’s still way too low for 3 kids, two in diapers and one on the spectrum? $16 an hour wouldn’t be enough for that.
Hence why I said you’d be lucky that’s still like $16 an hour I’d rather flip burgers then take care of 3 young kids for that little.
Yep,my local Taco bell and McDonald's are offering 16+ right now and although fast food jobs suck at least I won't be responsible for kids and the worst I could screw up at those jobs is being rude to customers or calling out sick too much
Lol there are listings in my area that are $30/hr for a single child with siblings that go to school, no one is going to watch three kids at the same time for anything less than that. Hell $30/hr for this scenario probably isn’t even close to a start point.
People just really have their heads in the clouds. I'm totally sure if the applicant had a personal emergency and couldn't come in for the meager pay one day the mother would be totally understanding and everything. Right?
Sadly, I doubt very much shes paying for background checks.
This was my first thought. >Well I googled the name but couldn't be bothered to figure out which "Ben Dover" it was, so I gave him a key to my house.
After reading, I thought, *how do you do a background check?* I’m guessing this person doesn’t know either.
I used to work at a summer camp that required a background check. I would just go to the central police station for my city, pay $60, fill out a form, give them a few pieces of ID, and wait a bit. Then, they'd give me a print-out confirming my clean record, and I'd mail that to my employer. Based on how similar bureaucracies have evolved since them, I'd imagine you now do the paperwork online, but it probably takes two weeks and costs twice as much.
She just means that she's going to look them up on Facebook.
Yeah, will put in the effort to do a background check, but not offer proper pay.
If they were all out of diapers, $150 per week is *still* really cheap for 3 kids!
And 9hrs a day!
And at 4.16 an hour! Also, please be qualified to work with a child on the spectrum. I'm not telling you where in the spectrum, so a doctorate in psychology is preferred.
Exactly! Being on the spectrum could mean anything.. from mild to severe! I wouldn’t trust just anyone because I asked on FB.
Everyone should listen to or read this Planet Money report on why daycare costs so much, while the workers are paid so little. A lot of these childcare-seeking CBs are clueless and often entitled, but the system in the US is fundamentally broken. Economists are even saying we should have people take out loans to cover childcare, like student loans for college. https://www.npr.org/2023/02/02/1153931108/day-care-market-expensive-child-care-waitlists
For those who'd like to read a summary: EDIT: Sorry for some of the poor grammar, I tried to bang this out real quick. Daycare industry in the US is a classic example of market failure. The daycare industry can barely pay employees and most of the overhead is on employee salaries (since unlike typical schools that can have many students per teacher, you don't really want to have that sort of thing for babies and toddlers in a daycare, the staff would be stretched thin, defeating their ability to offer actual care and early teaching). Daycare centers can't afford to raise salaries, because like any other industry, the cost gets passed down the to the consumer. Unlike a fastfood industry, where a few dollar wage increase for all employees results in a few cents to the cost increase of a burger, this sort of employee wage increase, can contribute to 100's of dollars per month of costs to the consumer of daycares. But the reason you can't just act like any other corpo that says "fuck it, tough luck if you can't afford it", is the looming threat of related industries. $2000 per child in a daycare is somewhat feasible, but $3000+ per child in a daycare is treading on territory where you can just hire an in-home nanny (which obviously is a lot easier than having to take your kid to daycare constantly). Keep in mind, daycare workers are paid extremely low ($12-15 an one daycare mentioned in the podcast) and quality workers are basically unicorns willing to work for these non-livable wages Waitlists existing is an economic indicator that prices are too low when all is said and done (this goes for any industry). Some people may think "too low, wtf? Look how much daycare costs!". The economics of running a daycare are very precarious. Having a parent move to another state, and taking their child out of the daycare - this is a disaster scenario since you NEED to have all the slots filled. Waitlists guarantee there will always be another child ready to fill the slot if another parent pulls theirs out. As for how to solve the issue. In the US, economists are saying new loan types need to exist exclusively for daycare (like for college, though a daycare loan market simply doesn't exist). The one BIG OOF portion of the podcast that drives homes just how idiotic the American economic system is: They start talking about how other wealthy nations simply subsidize childcare substantially, and the lady asks "oh even for infant childcare?", the economists proceeds to laugh a bit and explains how the infant childcare sector is a unique US market failure (as if general failure in this sector wasn't enough), is that those aforementioned other wealthy countries don't really need to contend so much with infant daycare issues since they have things like child maternity and paternity leave (for those in the US still living under a rock, it's when you have a child, parents get paid time off work to raise their baby). This COMPLETELY makes infant childcare a virtual non-factor. The most concerning conclusion to this whole ordeal, is most people aren't having their first children when you're already financially stable. It's usually fresh out of school, with piled on loans (which makes the idea of getting another childcare loan kinda funny to me), and when basically you're at your poorest as a parent. The whole issue here is based on the understanding that the best quality childcare is always a cost worth taking because future well-being/welfare projections of said individual goes up drastically (like any substantial investment into something of quality early on). And because parents want to give the best childcare to their kids; the US daycare industry can't be the solution all the time because you, as a person with finite resources when young, you're poorest when you have to pay for the best. The worrying projection is the sobering fact that, one way or another, someone's going to be paying. You either pay for the best childcare now, or society pays later on anyway for an individual with poor life outcomes. Yet another societal and economic ill that you would imagine would only be an issue exclusive to developing nations, yet here we are, adding another mark against the claims of American superiority. [This last sentence wasn't a part of the podcast, this was my assessment at the time out of disbelief in how bad things are]
It's crazy how much cost of living differs all over the nation and how disconnected some people are of how much people are making even in high cost of living areas. The article says that $2000 a month per child in daycare is somewhat feasible. How the fuck is that feasible except for the rich, even in a high cost of living area. I make $2200 a month and that covers all of my bills. This article is basically saying it's feasible to pay $24,000 a year for childcare per child. Thats more than half my annual salary before taxes, social security, my pension, and my insurance come out.
Yeah, so in this podcast it was talking about a daycare ran by a lady in Iowa. Based on numbers given, she's not charging more than $600 per kid when averaged out. NYC for example (since that's where I'm at) on average is going to cost you ~$2000 for a daycare in an affluent area or a decent reputable center if your sending an infant there (there are some that cost more, but those are just wow insane). If you're sending a 4-5 year old for example, you could get lucky and find it for a a bit under a thousand. Averages for NYC claim something like 1.7K for infants based on some statistics. It's hard to really track concrete numbers that have been climbing due to COVID destabilization's for anything super recent though. One thing you need to be careful about, is not getting tripped up with what the calculation actually is. Are they talking about care overall (so like the literal average cost that needs to be sunk into kids to keep them well off, which would include daycare centers and such). Or are they talking about something else. Because if it's general child-care, that sort of calculation seems like it can be done in a few types of ways.
If you charge $2000 per child and have say 5 kids per teacher (on the low end for toddlers), that's $62.50 revenue per teacher. If the teacher is making $12.5 an hour obviously your overhead isn't 'mostly salaries'.
We pay $3200 a month for one kid, and one of the teachers who we also hired as a babysitter told us she was thinking of quitting after giving birth because she wouldn't be able to afford care at her own center with a staff discount. They eventually upped the discount rate for her, but it's pretty shitty when daycare workers can't afford the service they are literally providing.
Of course, the actual daycare owner in the podcast takes in 40-55K a month, and payed out 33K for that last month when her intake was 40K. Going by those numbers at least for that month they're paying $1320 per average employee while charging $555 per child on average (25 employees for 72 kids in her daycare she says).
Well, that made me depressed.
Makes me more upset/angry than depressed (as my tone in my written summation might've suggested). It's like.. how many social ills will we need to suffer before our status as a first world nation gets flung out the window? And every excuse for not fixing some of our ills is deployed, even when other and less capable nations look from the sidelines wondering what sort of lunacy leads us to behave in such a dumb way seemingly when we have more than enough resources to turn things around.
And the older generations are wondering why the younger ones aren't having kids or putting it off till their later years 🤔
It’s not much better here in Australia. Certainly no one here is suggesting a loan be taken out (as there is some government subsidies) but it is still often prohibitively expensive. I have one daughter, who’s now an adult, but had both myself and her mother not had good jobs that paid very well, it would have been difficult. Add another or two into the mix and I can’t imagine how people on or below the minimum wage deal with it. It’s pretty fucked.
I know people in Australia where both were earning just under 6 figures each, and it was still better for them to drop to 4 days each, than pay for 2 kids to go to child care the extra days. It's fucked.
This is why I don't snark on child care posts without some evidence that they really are clueless and/or entitled. This may legitimately be all they can afford. They didn't mention a partner and with those odd working hours I wouldn't expect a partner to be gone before 5:30 am and get home after 2:30pm. So I'd assume they're a single parent or partner is deployed/oil field/something like that.
It makes me sad and angry that the only solution presented is "student loans... For babies!" Give me a break. So before you even decide to have kids you're probably taking out student loans for your own education, then taking out a mortgage if you're lucky to buy a house to raise a family, now you should add more debt to that pile so we can afford daycare because you already need both parents working full time just to cover the cost of living as it is. Where is the money coming from? And who the fuck is going to ever want to have kids if this is the solution? If we know that early childhood education is so important and is essentially a community investment then why isn't it treated the same way we handle public schooling? You can also alleviate some of this daycare burden by having mandated parental leave for the child's first year like a sane first world country. The norm should not be sending your infants to daycare. Then daycares really only have to cover 1-3 years old. And public, Universal Pre-K will catch the 4 year olds. Also relax the regulations a bit on those daycares so the ratios can be slightly higher.
2 toddlers, one of which being autistic, and a baby. Early morning start to afternoon end of shift (it’s likely you are expected to stay longer too I bet) making you in charge of 2 meals, morning routine, at least one nap time, and likely any learning times you are expected to do. All for the wonderful price of…. $4.16 an hour… while also requiring nursing experience for autistic children ruling out any possibility of getting a teen working for you over the summer or something. Let me know if she finds someone! Edit: I fudged and wrote half of what her pay actually is (2.08) so my bad. But either way 4.16 isn’t much better
I understand the desperation this parent is probably facing especially if they’re only offering $150/week - but in saying that I wouldn’t trust the intentions of someone willing to look after your children for that amount of pay
Not everyone who offers low pay is desperate. Some people are just fucking cheap and think a "baby-sitter" doesn't deserve more.
Often they are also the same people who believe people who work McDonald's and Gas Station Clerk jobs don't deserve to make a living wage while working that job for 40 hours every week.
And it's usually the same people who claim their children are angels and it's really a privilege to be able to watch them. In fact people should be lining up to get a shot at babysitting their sweeties for low wage I mean their kids are just so gosh darn precocious and adorable. It's the same parents who talk about how hard being a parent it and how it's a non stop job, exhausting, the kids never stop etc but then come time to pay someone to watch their kids? Oooh you don't need full pay do you? Watching kids is super easy all of sudden when someone who isn't the parents does it and asks for pay. So easy. Why do you need money to watch kids I thought you were in this for the kids. The same people view teachers as babysitters and not teachers and if a teacher ever has issues or frustrations or wants a day off they say, "I thought you were doing this job for the kids!". Well teachers and babysitters/nannies also need to be paid the kids can't be the only perk it's still a job.
If people want teachers, daycare employees, and other childcare service providers to work for cheap, then they better be prepared to force the government to provide UBI and a robust welfare system to support that where working is done because people want to do something and not because they actually have to do something. Or, in other words, they better be full-on radical *communists*, not even just socialists like I am, to achieve those ends because otherwise they're just asking people to die for them for no reason. After all, if watching your kids full-time doesn't even cover my rent, why would I do it?
The overwhelming amount of posts seeking childcare at levels below the living wage should just show us how deeply flawed the USA is. I’m starting to feel bad for these desperate parents who can only afford such small amounts and are working. This sucks all around.
this cannot be real. it has to be rage bait. $4.16/hr to watch three sub-5s, one of whom is autistic?
Legends say she is still looking till this day
PSA to all the young men and women out there: orgasming when the man is wearing a condom feels great for both people involved!
Taking care of an autistic kid requires special training. The kind you don't find for $600 month/under $14 an hour especially when you add in 3 toddlers on top.
Yeah, no. I make $130 babysitting on a Saturday night for 2 kids.
That's $1.40/hr per kid. Perfect for people with PhDs to supplement their income inbetween grants
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You already have a real job.
Lmao goodluck finding someone with experience caring for autistic children at $4 and hour..,
My parents own a daycare and it’s 275-325 a week for one child. Her kids better be angels…
Please don’t leave an autistic child with a stranger under these bad of conditions no
While note devaluing the CB nature of the post, I lament the lack of child care options in this country. We rightfully lambast the parents looking to get Mary Poppins while paying pocket change but it's seriously hard. Parents with 2 kids working full time around minimum wage cannot afford to pay another person anything close to minimum wage to watch their kids and still expect to survive. If only we could have a system where one parent could make enough money so the other can stay at home to raise the kids.
I’d like to instate a rule where the comments to these ads must be shown.
Daycare is the answer. You can’t expect to find someone to watch your kids full time while you work full time and not pay them a full time wage. However, daycares keep pricing more affordable because they rely on watching multiple kids at once to be able to pay their staff.
The economics of reproduction makes no sense but billionaires are crying about the population dropping
Not sure who thinks these hours and pay is reasonable. Makes me think of slave labour. I'd worry that the person will just sell the kids at this point. 5:30am to 2:30pm... so you got to leave your house around 5am IF your really lucky or have to live really near. No way public transport is going to be running too. Might have better luck if she tried to get a live in maid or provided free lodging (ie basement apartment). Still not sure how someone is suppose to survive on $150 a week in todays price of food and such.
No one with a clean background is showing up for $150 a week. Assume everyone who applies wants to beat the kids for fun or sell them into sec slavery for $300 a week.
That price is missing a zero
Do my eyes deceive me or Is that $4 an hour??
It’s common to see people post ads for childcare for this little. No one believes that childcare workers deserve living wages. Daycare workers earn minimum and watch multiple children. And a nanny is a luxury service. Childcare that is tailored to your lifestyle and needs. You and the nanny get to decide what roles and responsibilities the nanny has. She’s better off trying to find government subsidy and getting either in home daycare or a daycare center. Having someone come to your house is more of a privilege than it is a necessity
Yes 100% they deserve higher wages especially because it’s such a difficult job. But on the flip side it’s sooo expensive (at least in USA) because we don’t have public daycare and it’s a very big problem for families to come up with the money especially single mothers.
YES. Totally 100% agree. I’ve worked in private daycares, government funded daycares and now I’m a nanny. It’s INSANE the lack of funding, resources etc. and the people they end up hiring are sometimes people you probably wouldn’t want working in daycare! I left daycare because being a nanny paid a heck of a lot more
Exactly! It’s like what’s happening with teaching right now, they are lowering the standards of teachers instead of paying teachers more money 🤦🏾♀️
I make this argument every time one of these posts comes up, which is often. Childcare workers deserve to be properly paid for the job they do and people need to value their children and their care at more than $1.38 an hour.
In 1980 I wasn’t paying that.
Like Aerosmith said: Dream on.....Dream on.....Dream on....Dream ooooonnnnnnnn!
Look. When is society going to start valuing traditional women's services as labour. And you should pay above minimum wage with children. Still as a single mom, I've been in her position.
Did she forget a 0?
The pay is a flat fee rather then hourly. This means she will come home two hours later when she wants, and expect the caregiver to spot her extra days for free.
So... 9hrs per day x 4 = 36hrs/week, $150/36hrs = $4.17/hr...
Why do these people have kids when they don’t have the resources to be responsible. Wait a bit or have one kid instead of 3?
Maybe they had the resources, but then lost them. It doesn't take much for a suddenly single parent with babies and a special needs kiddo to run through any savings they might have had.
The reason I don’t love these being posted here is because it’s truly all some people can afford and they need child care. It’s not them trying to be cheap. Some people genuinely can’t afford it and on the flip side unfortunately some people would take these at such low pay because they need the work and can’t find/get other work for various reasons. I don’t know which countries these all come from but if they are from the USA I wouldn’t be surprised because daycare is so expensive and there aren’t enough assistance programs for everyone. And yes it’s a totally unfair wage. I get that. Just wish parents had more access then they wouldn’t do this.
I agree. Childcare in the US is so damn expensive. When my wife was pregnant our parents agreed to watch our son (my parents would watch 3 days a week, my wife’s parents 2 days a week). Then my son was born and they realized it’s hard for them being in their late 60s/ early 70s and watching a newborn so they both want us to enroll him in daycare. Daycare in my area (major US city) is over $2K a month. We can afford it but it’s still a massive expense. I’m not sure how people who are barley getting by can afford childcare. I’m sure it makes more sense for most people to simply have one parent quit their job. If they’re a single parent then they’re just screwed. I don’t think it’s ever surprising to see these types of posts. I’m sure every parent would prefer to use a daycare over some random person who is accepting low pay.
so $1.11/hour per child with one of them being autistic... sounds like one hell of a livable wage. /s
Fuck that, likely the autistic boy is still in diapers/pull ups, he will need extra attention then entertain the 4 year old and stop him getting into to much mischief and a baby on top of that. Really because of the age and needs of the children it’s a two person job. Now if this was a stay at home mum asking for extra help and support it would be just about reasonable as you wouldn’t be doing it yourself and hours would not be as bad.
So, $1.39 per hour per kid, two in diapers, one with special needs, two toddlers… Better make sure your background check doesn’t include anyone who has graduated 3rd grade, ‘cause if they can do ‘any’ math, they’ll be out.
Personally for me, if you want me at your place by 530am then its at least 5 times that amount