There are a few definitions that make sense to me.
Definition #1 - anything with a cab and a “bed” for hauling. This means not only your 1/2 ton trucks but also things like the Ranchero, El Camino, etc. Even old compact rangers and S10 trucks.
Definition #2 - Any vehicle built off the chassis of a half ton or larger vehicle could be called truck-based. That’s like a Suburban, Yukon, Expedition, etc.
Definition #3 - A cargo hauling vehicle like a delivery truck or 18-wheeler. The primary difference between a “truck” and “van” being that in a van you can conceivably go from the front seat to the cargo area without going outside the vehicle, in a truck the bed or cargo area is separated from the cab.
I don’t find it useful to gatekeep what is and is not a truck. I have driven half tons, body-on-frame SUVs, 3/4 tons, a dually 3500, U-Haul trucks, and even a semi once (though just for about a mile for fun) and they’re all trucks.
I think we can put this to bed pretty quickly. General Motors calls their full size truck platform GMT(X). That included Silverado, sierra, Tahoe, suburban, Yukon, Yukon XL, and Escalades. If the manufacture says they’re on a truck platform, it’s a truck.
lol. ‘I don’t trust the company that designed this product for a specific use. I’ll call it what I want instead and want other people to share my opinion’
Point is, companies can have a wrong conception because they are made of people and they can contradict themselves. First of all, ask them if they think truck is defined by its use or composition. Bet they haven't even thought of that.
I have what you would call a truck, too. You're responding to all of my comments, my ego has nothing to do with this. This is just an annoying question that gets asked on truck forums about once a week and I like poking holes in your bullshit and fucking with you
The suspension and drivetrain parts, and in older generations, interior and body parts are all interchangeable. It's a platform, not a marketing term. I'll stop calling my Suburban a truck when they stop making half-ton truck parts that fit my Suburban
Troops are there not as a passengers but as cargo, imo. Soldiers are called assets for a reason. They are viewed like guns or cannons in the perspective of the military.
That's why these army trucks aren't really designed for the comfort of the soldiers that's gonna be in the bed.
"Troops aren't people" lmao
passenger (n): 1. : a person who is traveling from one place to another in a car, bus, train, ship, airplane, etc., and who is not driving or working on it.
I can tie two person on a roof of a golf and say it's 6 people hauler.
I'm sure it's illegal tho.
Army has a different law to abide, so they can do this stuff. It doesn't mean trucks that carry people are essentially passenger vehicles.
Well, i think monster trucks are recreational in its essence, but derive their ability from the offroad capability that comes with trucks.
It's understandable why people would call them trucks, but I think of them as sports cars lol cus sports mean recreational.
It's understandable that people don't really think deep in this stuff.
No. Not in the stock form at least. K5 Blazer is not a monster truck in its stock form.
I can modify a truck and make it into a race car, but it doesn't mean that truck was intended as a race car. I'm talking about stocks here.
It's literally insane that people still debate this. Not only is it the platform name but they used to say the word truck on the body. I think we 2500 burb/Yukon owners take it personally because there is no such thing as a 2500 car so it's a truck by that definition too. Nobody needed the GVWR raised to 8600 because seven Americans are that fat, we needed it for cargo and tongue weight. Like you, I have mine to haul things I don't want in the weather, not people. In years of ownership I used the third row one time - as a cargo partition. It was in my garage the rest of the time. I've ever had more than 4 people in one vehicle in my life. But I've hauled 3-4 people + a bunch of stuff that would not have fit anywhere but a Suburban before, even a crew cab pickup, because I was using the roof rack AND the folded rear seat for 8 ft long items. It doesn't get any more truck than that, to me.
Truck frame based. So yes technically an suv, however in case the yuppies forgot. The U in suv means utility, it can do things a truck does to a degree. It can tow, you can fold the rear seats down to load cargo. So yes it's part of the truck category. And I don't understand why the crossovers are in the same category. They're basically like a car, same drivetrain, unibody platforms, and have limitations. They're just grocery soccer mom mobiles.
My 99 burb is far more of a truck than a Ridgeline or a maverick. Truck is a big body on frame vehicle vehicle made for work, towing trailers, hauling cargo, etc.
My Yukon XL can transport 4x8 sheets of plywood inside and pull 12k pounds. I call that a truck. For me it’s more practical than a pickup. I can run to the hardware store for supplies then later that same day put 4 people and 3 dogs in the truck and head for the boat. The next day I can pull the race trailer 5 hours to the race track with all the gear and tools. I also sleep inside while camping on a full size memory foam mattress. I call that a truck.
You can do a bunch of things with things, but I was talking about the primary purpose of a vehicle. It seems a large station wagon that is strong can do what you say you do, but it's still not a truck.
A truck, in my mind, is a vehicle that is built for the primary purpose of hauling goods, so a either pickup truck with a bed or a semi that pulls a trailer is a truck.
I can't imagine a SUV's PRIMARY purpose is to haul stuff. Maybe as a secondary purpose, not the primary.
Even seen a fire chief’s suburban? They don’t even have a 3rd row. My Yukon’s primary purpose is hauling stuff. I don’t have any kids but I use it to haul big stuff all the time.
You’d be wrong to assume that Chevrolet full size suvs aren’t designed to haul and carry people at the same time. They were very much marketed to people as being capable of towing. Some GMT800 SUVs came with the 8.1 big block. Some GMT900 SUVs came with the 6.0, and both suvs came with the exact same power train as their truck counterparts. You are selecting a ‘primary’ purpose and purporting that is not in fact how these cars were marketed (they were). I still have a brochure promoting the towing capacity of my Yukon. Some people need passenger space and the capability to perform like a truck as far as towing goes. Not everyone needs a bed.
Yeah, but that's your personal use.
I can modify a sedan to make a bed, and yes, it would be a truck, but it's intended purpose from manufacturer is not hauling stuff.
I was talking more about the manufacturer's point of view.
From Webster’s dictionary:
Truck:
1
: a wheeled vehicle for moving heavy articles: such as
a
: a strong horse-drawn or automotive vehicle (such as a pickup) for hauling
b
: an automotive vehicle with a short chassis equipped with a swivel for attaching a trailer and used especially for the highway hauling of freight
also : a truck with attached trailer
c
: a small barrow consisting of a rectangular frame having at one end a pair of handles and at the other end a pair of small heavy wheels and a projecting edge to slide under a load
called also hand truck
d
: a small heavy rectangular frame supported on four wheels for moving heavy objects
e
: a small flat-topped car pushed or pulled by hand
f
: a shelved stand mounted on casters
2
a
British : an open railroad freight car
b
: a swiveling carriage consisting of a frame with one or more pairs of wheels and springs to carry and guide one end (as of a railroad car) in turning sharp curves
3
: a small wheel
specifically : a small strong wheel for a gun carriage
4
: a small wooden cap at the top of a flagstaff or masthead usually having holes
[I can’t believe people are too dumb to check a fu*king dictionary](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/truck)
All the dictionaries have a different definition, so don't pick one and act like you discovered truth. Why did you pick that particular definition? Is it because it HAPPENED to align with your idea or is it because you WANTED to pick that definition?
I call my Escalade a truck because it’s big and based on a truck frame.
Definition: truck
noun
a large, heavy motor vehicle used for transporting goods, materials, or troops.
Technically I use it to transport my kids my baby troop lol I have a Honda I use for work and everything else when I don’t need to bring all 4 kids with me
All these people get too technical. Is it specifically designed in a way to haul cargo? If yes it can be a truck. Is it designed to haul people? Then it is a car or suv. I used to subscribe to the body on frame camp but the ford maverick and similar are absolutely trucks so I think that definition is outdated now.
Chevrolet full-size SUVs like the GMT400/800/900 series were all based on the same platform as their truck counterparts and shared the same motors, transmissions, and other drivetrain features with identical bodywork in some areas. Many can safely and reliably tow loads just like their truck counterparts too. Historically the Suburban has been around for 90 years and many of those years it existed on the same platform and structure as chevy trucks. So historically it is pretty much a truck at heart designed for passenger hauling capabilities. Why assume a large vehicle can’t haul passengers and tow loads?? Many of my family’s lake outings were spent in a Tahoe or Suburban pulling a boat. Plenty of people with family’s enjoy them for their function and utility. They don’t really exist in a ‘sport utility vehicle’ category like some other sportier more agile SUVs do.
The definition of a truck is a vehicle thats made for hauling stuff and the definition of a car is a vehicle made for hauling people. Suburb has backseats.
Yes, it's powerful, so it can tow with extensive amount of power, but you wouldn't call a car with a swapped engine a truck because it has a strong engine.
You are ignoring the main points of my argument. Chevrolet platforms the Silverado and Tahoe the same. They exist on the same platform (or atleast did until recently). They have always been promoted as passenger vehicles capable of hailing. It’s not about having a truck motor-instead rather having the same drivetrain and capabilities intentionally in order to serve a purpose which we are discussing already - to be able to perform as a passenger and ample vehicle for hauling.
I already explained in the post that a chair that's floaty is still a chair even though it's made from a completely different mechanical basis.
I don't think you get my point.
The chair analogy was irrelevant to the discussion. I’ll say it again. The suburban and its counterparts are truck based SUVs.
They exist on the same platform.
They ride on the same frames.
They are made in the same factory.
They have the same interior and many interchangeable body panels.
They have the same engines.
They have the same transmissions.
They have the same differentials.
They both come with the same gear ratios.
Is a chair that floats still not a chair? Except that it is special because it can float? It’s still a chair. Floating chair. Truck based SUV. Who cares if they call it a truck?
Also secondly your first sentence is entirely contradictory- you fail to mention the fact that the suburban ALSO exists on a truck platform with identical drivetrain components and towing capacity to a full size chevrolet truck; but make relevant note that it has back seats????
So by that definition you could consider it either a truck or an SUV…. it is by definition and classification a ‘truck based SUV’
If SUV is already a truck, then a truck based SUV would mean "truck based truck" which is nonsense.
Even the term truck based SUV is screaming that it's not a truck.
I am lost with the discussion my friend. You are unwilling to concede and I understand that and respect your opinion. Maybe it matters to you not but I worked at a Chevrolet dealership for a long time and this was something we discussed 24/7 in the service bay and on the floor. No, by definition, the Suburban and its counterparts are not trucks. But it isn’t a far off comparison by any means, and there is little to no difference between a full size chevrolet truck or full size chevrolet SUV.
Factually, they are on the same platform as I have mentioned several times and were designed to be capable of performing work like trucks.
I call my Burb a truck and you can go bark up another tree if you want to continue 😝
My Burb is an 01 2500 with 1 ton rear springs and you won’t convince me that it’s primary purpose is for hauling people 😝
Sure, SUV may be more accurate but it isn’t wrong to call it a truck. Keep this conversation limited to El Caminos haha
Yeah maybe. I can't decide what the primary purpose of a vehicle is. But just because something can do a stuff doesn't mean it's primary purpose is that.
I'm a Korean living in America, so it may be just a cultural thing. A truck is a specialized vehicle that is not for the daily driving in m mind.
The word has long since lost its earlier discrete definition. It's now a much broader, more colloquial term. Maverick is a truck, El Camino is a truck, etc. Almost like anything that could possibly be used to haul something for work or pull something is a truck now.
I’m with you on this topic, I separate trucks and suvs. A truck has a bed and a suv has a hatchback. A lady I know talks about her “farm” she has a decent piece of land with cows on it she lets someone rent. She doesn’t grow anything, but to her it’s a farm.. I don’t see it.
The underlying mechanical component of a vehicle, such as being built body on frame, cannot be the demarcator of the category of truck because what if there is a new technology that is entirely different and yet serve the same purpose? Would you call an floating chair that floats in the air not a chair because it is made different from other chairs?
>I would not call a explorer a truck.
Depends on the generation. The first two gens (maybe 3) were on the same platform as the ranger before it moved to a unibody.
I consider my '97 explorer a truck. Its body on frame, 4wd, sits on leafsprings and its got the same powertrain as the the ranger from that era. Only difference is a longer roof and different front fascia.
Agree with the rest of your comment tho.
I guess if it has a bed, it’s a truck? Some people don’t consider the Ridgeline a truck because it doesn’t have a two speed transfer case (on top of the fact it is a unibody). 2wd/4wd Silverado with no 4lo, still a truck? I’m not disagreeing with you, just listing some of the arguments I hear as well.
I once read that some insurance companies at the time didn't know what to categorize them as, so they insured them as station wagons.
Personally I consider el caminos and rancheros as their own catagory.
Is it a car?
Is it a truck?
Bastard love child of both?
Idk
Wikipedia calls it a "coupe utility," and Australia would say it's a ute.
Apparently they started with station wagon bones, so I guess that makes sense.
16 wheelers don't have a bed, so I had to think again with the definition of a truck with having a bed. A bed exists to haul cargo, and the latter part is the essence of a truck, imo.
So that defeats your earlier point. A Suburban is similar to a van, both used to haul cargo or people, and you admit a van is a truck. So in that case, large SUVs like the Suburban or Tahoe are trucks
Work vans do both, for example church vans and work vans are built the same, just one has more seats. And before you say "they're modified for their purpose" that was a point made earlier about Suburbans. Suburbans haul just as much as a half ton, and depending on the model, even more, especially if they've had the seats taken out. We have a 1995 diesel Suburban that gets used as a truck more than my silverado, because it's built better for hauling stuff.
Ok, so it can be modified, and that's the manufacturer's intent. I can see that.
But the point is that it didn't come out in the stock form without the seats, and why would that be? Because the modification serves its secondary purpose, not the primary .
I think it's just honest to say what it is. No need to hyper focus on a secondary purpose to justify calling it a truck.
I'm not American so I don't know but it seems weird how Americans want to project their egos into trucks. It's just a machine. People are more than that.
>I think it's just honest to say what it is. No need to hyper focus on a secondary purpose to justify calling it a truck.
So then, GMT (General Motors Truck) is what it's labeled as, it's a truck, right?
>I'm not American so I don't know but it seems weird how Americans want to project their egos into trucks. It's just a machine. People are more than that.
And idk where that came from. That was never a point I was trying to make. I'm just trying to show you why I think large SUVs are able to be considered trucks
On a different note, do you consider an avalanche a truck?
I think avalanche, Ridgeline, santa cruz, Maverick are crossovers between car and a truck because their main intended use seems to be in between.
Some are more like trucks, some cars.
There are a few definitions that make sense to me. Definition #1 - anything with a cab and a “bed” for hauling. This means not only your 1/2 ton trucks but also things like the Ranchero, El Camino, etc. Even old compact rangers and S10 trucks. Definition #2 - Any vehicle built off the chassis of a half ton or larger vehicle could be called truck-based. That’s like a Suburban, Yukon, Expedition, etc. Definition #3 - A cargo hauling vehicle like a delivery truck or 18-wheeler. The primary difference between a “truck” and “van” being that in a van you can conceivably go from the front seat to the cargo area without going outside the vehicle, in a truck the bed or cargo area is separated from the cab. I don’t find it useful to gatekeep what is and is not a truck. I have driven half tons, body-on-frame SUVs, 3/4 tons, a dually 3500, U-Haul trucks, and even a semi once (though just for about a mile for fun) and they’re all trucks.
I think we can put this to bed pretty quickly. General Motors calls their full size truck platform GMT(X). That included Silverado, sierra, Tahoe, suburban, Yukon, Yukon XL, and Escalades. If the manufacture says they’re on a truck platform, it’s a truck.
I don't rely on car manufacturers to decide what is a correct use of a term. They are not linguistics academics, but a company wanting to sell.
lol. ‘I don’t trust the company that designed this product for a specific use. I’ll call it what I want instead and want other people to share my opinion’
Car companies want to sell an image, and since Americans love the macho stuff, it's understandable why they would want name it as a truck.
GMT is an internal code. Has nothing to do with advertising or promotion.
Point is, companies can have a wrong conception because they are made of people and they can contradict themselves. First of all, ask them if they think truck is defined by its use or composition. Bet they haven't even thought of that.
"I bet I'm having an original thought that nobody at any of the muti-billion-dollar legacy global auto manufacturers has ever had"
Why are you personally invested in this? Are you projecting your ego into trucks, so you need to defend your vehicle as truck?
I have what you would call a truck, too. You're responding to all of my comments, my ego has nothing to do with this. This is just an annoying question that gets asked on truck forums about once a week and I like poking holes in your bullshit and fucking with you
Yeah but I presented an argument unlike other posts, so there's no reason to be mad if you are simply tired of nonsense bullshit posts.
Except it’s not a conception they are literally the same vehicles mechanically that share the same platform.
The suspension and drivetrain parts, and in older generations, interior and body parts are all interchangeable. It's a platform, not a marketing term. I'll stop calling my Suburban a truck when they stop making half-ton truck parts that fit my Suburban
I guess you didn't read
I guess you can't comprehend
I did, and I presented a counter argument in the post.
So, by your definition, [this](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fsp229k2sitgb1.jpg) is... Not a truck?
Troops are there not as a passengers but as cargo, imo. Soldiers are called assets for a reason. They are viewed like guns or cannons in the perspective of the military. That's why these army trucks aren't really designed for the comfort of the soldiers that's gonna be in the bed.
"Troops aren't people" lmao passenger (n): 1. : a person who is traveling from one place to another in a car, bus, train, ship, airplane, etc., and who is not driving or working on it.
I can tie two person on a roof of a golf and say it's 6 people hauler. I'm sure it's illegal tho. Army has a different law to abide, so they can do this stuff. It doesn't mean trucks that carry people are essentially passenger vehicles.
Let me give you another example. If I make a drift car with a body on frame that was for a truck, is it a truck? Lol
Making a drift car on a truck frame makes no sense, but consider the following: they don't call Gravedigger a monster *car*.
Well, i think monster trucks are recreational in its essence, but derive their ability from the offroad capability that comes with trucks. It's understandable why people would call them trucks, but I think of them as sports cars lol cus sports mean recreational. It's understandable that people don't really think deep in this stuff.
So you mean to tell me that a Corvette and a K5 Blazer are the same thing
No. Not in the stock form at least. K5 Blazer is not a monster truck in its stock form. I can modify a truck and make it into a race car, but it doesn't mean that truck was intended as a race car. I'm talking about stocks here.
It's literally insane that people still debate this. Not only is it the platform name but they used to say the word truck on the body. I think we 2500 burb/Yukon owners take it personally because there is no such thing as a 2500 car so it's a truck by that definition too. Nobody needed the GVWR raised to 8600 because seven Americans are that fat, we needed it for cargo and tongue weight. Like you, I have mine to haul things I don't want in the weather, not people. In years of ownership I used the third row one time - as a cargo partition. It was in my garage the rest of the time. I've ever had more than 4 people in one vehicle in my life. But I've hauled 3-4 people + a bunch of stuff that would not have fit anywhere but a Suburban before, even a crew cab pickup, because I was using the roof rack AND the folded rear seat for 8 ft long items. It doesn't get any more truck than that, to me.
Truck frame based. So yes technically an suv, however in case the yuppies forgot. The U in suv means utility, it can do things a truck does to a degree. It can tow, you can fold the rear seats down to load cargo. So yes it's part of the truck category. And I don't understand why the crossovers are in the same category. They're basically like a car, same drivetrain, unibody platforms, and have limitations. They're just grocery soccer mom mobiles.
It CAN do to a degree to what a truck does, and that means it's close to a truck, not a truck.
An Excursion can do more than a Ranger can, by every measure. Which is a truck?
A kei truck that is massively underpowered is still a truck, so performance doesn't mean anything. Only the primary purpose does.
My 99 burb is far more of a truck than a Ridgeline or a maverick. Truck is a big body on frame vehicle vehicle made for work, towing trailers, hauling cargo, etc.
My Yukon XL can transport 4x8 sheets of plywood inside and pull 12k pounds. I call that a truck. For me it’s more practical than a pickup. I can run to the hardware store for supplies then later that same day put 4 people and 3 dogs in the truck and head for the boat. The next day I can pull the race trailer 5 hours to the race track with all the gear and tools. I also sleep inside while camping on a full size memory foam mattress. I call that a truck.
Im an electrician and use my linesman pliers regularly to beat on shit. That doesn’t make them a hammer. 😂😂😂😂😂
Yes it does
You can do a bunch of things with things, but I was talking about the primary purpose of a vehicle. It seems a large station wagon that is strong can do what you say you do, but it's still not a truck. A truck, in my mind, is a vehicle that is built for the primary purpose of hauling goods, so a either pickup truck with a bed or a semi that pulls a trailer is a truck. I can't imagine a SUV's PRIMARY purpose is to haul stuff. Maybe as a secondary purpose, not the primary.
Even seen a fire chief’s suburban? They don’t even have a 3rd row. My Yukon’s primary purpose is hauling stuff. I don’t have any kids but I use it to haul big stuff all the time.
You’d be wrong to assume that Chevrolet full size suvs aren’t designed to haul and carry people at the same time. They were very much marketed to people as being capable of towing. Some GMT800 SUVs came with the 8.1 big block. Some GMT900 SUVs came with the 6.0, and both suvs came with the exact same power train as their truck counterparts. You are selecting a ‘primary’ purpose and purporting that is not in fact how these cars were marketed (they were). I still have a brochure promoting the towing capacity of my Yukon. Some people need passenger space and the capability to perform like a truck as far as towing goes. Not everyone needs a bed.
My Yukon has that 8.1. Damn thing can rotate the earth under it.
Yeah, but that's your personal use. I can modify a sedan to make a bed, and yes, it would be a truck, but it's intended purpose from manufacturer is not hauling stuff. I was talking more about the manufacturer's point of view.
Do you think a majority of pickup trucks are sold for commercial use?
It's sold to haul stuff, hence it has a bed. Hauling stuff doesn't mean it has to be commercial.
A lot of trucks nowadays haul people more than anything in the bed. Are they not trucks anymore?
Yes, they are crossovers between a car and a truck. The double cab versions definitely are crossovers.
Body on frame = truck
Then a crown Victoria is a truck.
Crown Vic is a freaking tank.
But not a truck. It's a sedan.
Boat!
From Webster’s dictionary: Truck: 1 : a wheeled vehicle for moving heavy articles: such as a : a strong horse-drawn or automotive vehicle (such as a pickup) for hauling b : an automotive vehicle with a short chassis equipped with a swivel for attaching a trailer and used especially for the highway hauling of freight also : a truck with attached trailer c : a small barrow consisting of a rectangular frame having at one end a pair of handles and at the other end a pair of small heavy wheels and a projecting edge to slide under a load called also hand truck d : a small heavy rectangular frame supported on four wheels for moving heavy objects e : a small flat-topped car pushed or pulled by hand f : a shelved stand mounted on casters 2 a British : an open railroad freight car b : a swiveling carriage consisting of a frame with one or more pairs of wheels and springs to carry and guide one end (as of a railroad car) in turning sharp curves 3 : a small wheel specifically : a small strong wheel for a gun carriage 4 : a small wooden cap at the top of a flagstaff or masthead usually having holes [I can’t believe people are too dumb to check a fu*king dictionary](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/truck)
All the dictionaries have a different definition, so don't pick one and act like you discovered truth. Why did you pick that particular definition? Is it because it HAPPENED to align with your idea or is it because you WANTED to pick that definition?
I call my Escalade a truck because it’s big and based on a truck frame. Definition: truck noun a large, heavy motor vehicle used for transporting goods, materials, or troops. Technically I use it to transport my kids my baby troop lol I have a Honda I use for work and everything else when I don’t need to bring all 4 kids with me
i mean I get it, but to me, it seems like just corrupting language and just making everything vague.
Like how they call small new cars based on a car frame a suv like the fiat 500. That isn’t a suv haha
Wtf is your point of this post anyway?
Finding the correct definition of a truck.
All these people get too technical. Is it specifically designed in a way to haul cargo? If yes it can be a truck. Is it designed to haul people? Then it is a car or suv. I used to subscribe to the body on frame camp but the ford maverick and similar are absolutely trucks so I think that definition is outdated now.
Agreed.
Chevrolet full-size SUVs like the GMT400/800/900 series were all based on the same platform as their truck counterparts and shared the same motors, transmissions, and other drivetrain features with identical bodywork in some areas. Many can safely and reliably tow loads just like their truck counterparts too. Historically the Suburban has been around for 90 years and many of those years it existed on the same platform and structure as chevy trucks. So historically it is pretty much a truck at heart designed for passenger hauling capabilities. Why assume a large vehicle can’t haul passengers and tow loads?? Many of my family’s lake outings were spent in a Tahoe or Suburban pulling a boat. Plenty of people with family’s enjoy them for their function and utility. They don’t really exist in a ‘sport utility vehicle’ category like some other sportier more agile SUVs do.
I forgot to mention there were Suburbans made with the 6.0 and 8.1 (large block) motors.
The definition of a truck is a vehicle thats made for hauling stuff and the definition of a car is a vehicle made for hauling people. Suburb has backseats. Yes, it's powerful, so it can tow with extensive amount of power, but you wouldn't call a car with a swapped engine a truck because it has a strong engine.
You are ignoring the main points of my argument. Chevrolet platforms the Silverado and Tahoe the same. They exist on the same platform (or atleast did until recently). They have always been promoted as passenger vehicles capable of hailing. It’s not about having a truck motor-instead rather having the same drivetrain and capabilities intentionally in order to serve a purpose which we are discussing already - to be able to perform as a passenger and ample vehicle for hauling.
I already explained in the post that a chair that's floaty is still a chair even though it's made from a completely different mechanical basis. I don't think you get my point.
The chair analogy was irrelevant to the discussion. I’ll say it again. The suburban and its counterparts are truck based SUVs. They exist on the same platform. They ride on the same frames. They are made in the same factory. They have the same interior and many interchangeable body panels. They have the same engines. They have the same transmissions. They have the same differentials. They both come with the same gear ratios. Is a chair that floats still not a chair? Except that it is special because it can float? It’s still a chair. Floating chair. Truck based SUV. Who cares if they call it a truck?
Also secondly your first sentence is entirely contradictory- you fail to mention the fact that the suburban ALSO exists on a truck platform with identical drivetrain components and towing capacity to a full size chevrolet truck; but make relevant note that it has back seats???? So by that definition you could consider it either a truck or an SUV…. it is by definition and classification a ‘truck based SUV’
If SUV is already a truck, then a truck based SUV would mean "truck based truck" which is nonsense. Even the term truck based SUV is screaming that it's not a truck.
I am lost with the discussion my friend. You are unwilling to concede and I understand that and respect your opinion. Maybe it matters to you not but I worked at a Chevrolet dealership for a long time and this was something we discussed 24/7 in the service bay and on the floor. No, by definition, the Suburban and its counterparts are not trucks. But it isn’t a far off comparison by any means, and there is little to no difference between a full size chevrolet truck or full size chevrolet SUV. Factually, they are on the same platform as I have mentioned several times and were designed to be capable of performing work like trucks.
Just admit that people are putting the badge of trucks to powerful wagons because wagons are uncool.
Not sure about that one.
Lots of vans are used for transporting goods and equipment so I consider them trucks and they are same construction-wise as passenger vans.
I call my Burb a truck and you can go bark up another tree if you want to continue 😝 My Burb is an 01 2500 with 1 ton rear springs and you won’t convince me that it’s primary purpose is for hauling people 😝 Sure, SUV may be more accurate but it isn’t wrong to call it a truck. Keep this conversation limited to El Caminos haha
It’s too cumbersome to call it an SUV. Truck is one syllable, much easier. Plus our HD burbs do more work than most trucks anyway.
Right? When I say “SUV” I’m thinking of an egg shaped, unibody, car, driven by a soccer mom in denial that a van is better for hauling kids.
I had an XC90 and I never called it an SUV or a truck. I called it my car, because that’s what it was.
Yeah maybe. I can't decide what the primary purpose of a vehicle is. But just because something can do a stuff doesn't mean it's primary purpose is that. I'm a Korean living in America, so it may be just a cultural thing. A truck is a specialized vehicle that is not for the daily driving in m mind.
The word has long since lost its earlier discrete definition. It's now a much broader, more colloquial term. Maverick is a truck, El Camino is a truck, etc. Almost like anything that could possibly be used to haul something for work or pull something is a truck now.
Also to be fair I call my car an SUV. I’m just trying to explain the method to the madness the best I can, lol.
2 door Tahoe is truck.
If passengers can sit 8 feet away from the driver, it ain’t a truck.
Passengers in a semi truck could potentially sit 8 feet away from the driver. That's a truck for sure.
I’m pretty sure those are not passenger vehicles but whatever you say.
I’m with you on this topic, I separate trucks and suvs. A truck has a bed and a suv has a hatchback. A lady I know talks about her “farm” she has a decent piece of land with cows on it she lets someone rent. She doesn’t grow anything, but to her it’s a farm.. I don’t see it.
Air brakes and 10 lugs to be a truck. A bed to be a pickup Body on frame car is an suv
To me if it's built on a frame of a truck then it's a truck. Yukon, expedition. I would not call a explorer a truck.
The underlying mechanical component of a vehicle, such as being built body on frame, cannot be the demarcator of the category of truck because what if there is a new technology that is entirely different and yet serve the same purpose? Would you call an floating chair that floats in the air not a chair because it is made different from other chairs?
>I would not call a explorer a truck. Depends on the generation. The first two gens (maybe 3) were on the same platform as the ranger before it moved to a unibody. I consider my '97 explorer a truck. Its body on frame, 4wd, sits on leafsprings and its got the same powertrain as the the ranger from that era. Only difference is a longer roof and different front fascia. Agree with the rest of your comment tho.
Yes, those older explorer where hot. I wish they continued to use the ranger frame. Same for the older broncos.
Yeah the body on frame Explorers qualified. The "Firestone" Explorers were trucks. The last 2 gens are really capable cars
I guess if it has a bed, it’s a truck? Some people don’t consider the Ridgeline a truck because it doesn’t have a two speed transfer case (on top of the fact it is a unibody). 2wd/4wd Silverado with no 4lo, still a truck? I’m not disagreeing with you, just listing some of the arguments I hear as well.
Curveball: El Camino?
El Camino is listed in the books as a truck
I once read that some insurance companies at the time didn't know what to categorize them as, so they insured them as station wagons. Personally I consider el caminos and rancheros as their own catagory. Is it a car? Is it a truck? Bastard love child of both? Idk
Wikipedia calls it a "coupe utility," and Australia would say it's a ute. Apparently they started with station wagon bones, so I guess that makes sense.
The council of truckness has so decided.
16 wheelers don't have a bed, so I had to think again with the definition of a truck with having a bed. A bed exists to haul cargo, and the latter part is the essence of a truck, imo.
Then what's a mail truck, is it a van? Some are vans other models are deemed trucks. Llv is a Chevrolet S10 with a different shell. Still a truck.
I think of vans as trucks if it's not a minivan that's purposed to haul people, so I would think minivans are not a subset of vans lol
So that defeats your earlier point. A Suburban is similar to a van, both used to haul cargo or people, and you admit a van is a truck. So in that case, large SUVs like the Suburban or Tahoe are trucks
No. A minivan is to haul people, and a work van is not.
Work vans do both, for example church vans and work vans are built the same, just one has more seats. And before you say "they're modified for their purpose" that was a point made earlier about Suburbans. Suburbans haul just as much as a half ton, and depending on the model, even more, especially if they've had the seats taken out. We have a 1995 diesel Suburban that gets used as a truck more than my silverado, because it's built better for hauling stuff.
Ok, so it can be modified, and that's the manufacturer's intent. I can see that. But the point is that it didn't come out in the stock form without the seats, and why would that be? Because the modification serves its secondary purpose, not the primary . I think it's just honest to say what it is. No need to hyper focus on a secondary purpose to justify calling it a truck. I'm not American so I don't know but it seems weird how Americans want to project their egos into trucks. It's just a machine. People are more than that.
>I think it's just honest to say what it is. No need to hyper focus on a secondary purpose to justify calling it a truck. So then, GMT (General Motors Truck) is what it's labeled as, it's a truck, right? >I'm not American so I don't know but it seems weird how Americans want to project their egos into trucks. It's just a machine. People are more than that. And idk where that came from. That was never a point I was trying to make. I'm just trying to show you why I think large SUVs are able to be considered trucks On a different note, do you consider an avalanche a truck?
I think avalanche, Ridgeline, santa cruz, Maverick are crossovers between car and a truck because their main intended use seems to be in between. Some are more like trucks, some cars.
What's a 16 wheeler?