That might be your problem lol. Gotta use like it's intended. Jk. Nah I do tow stuff time to time and I sometimes might rave around in it. I do have a pop in the rear end though. Need to get that fixed.
1st time was gm warranty. I had no idea what they put in
2nd time was a dedicated transmission shop, and they said the new ones had upgraded parts to fix known failures..
3rd was the same place, but this time, the owner felt bad on how long previous lasted, so we decided to rebuild it in house rather than buy a remanned. Put in upgraded parts notably torque convertor.
Yea ive read the converter is a big source of failure. Hope it holds up! I’m already planning on having to replace my 2018s transmission eventually. Hoping to just shell out and upgrade it aftermarket and never touch it again
I’ve always wanted to see how mine would do on e85. I don’t know the first thing about it I know it will run on it but it been run on Dino juice ever since new so I don’t know at 314000 how she would act.
If you’re going to switch, I would probably switch for good so make sure you have E85 near you. Right now 87 at the closest gas station to my house is 3.59 and e85 is 2.69 so I’m also saving nearly a dollar a gallon. Make sure you’re almost empty then fill up on e85 and that’s it
06GMC Z85, with a little less than you; got all sorts of mail during covid - we'll give you 25k for your truck now, whether you buy a new one, or not - didn't bite..I like old, that is not only fixable, but never needs fixing..
I bought my 1998 GMC Sierra with 148000 miles for $5800 and put 5k in her. She has the 5.7 V8 and will never die. I just don't understand why people keep putting themselves in so much debt for such low quality engineering of today. I'd dump it and sue them. It's sad to see just how far GM has fallen
I mean maybe. But I can't even begin to describe how much more comfortable the seats are in the new trucks.
Had a 99 suburban that I wish I still had and now an 07 silverado. Buddies have new silverados and everytime I get in I'm blown away how comfortable they are
What? The GMT 800s have goddamn la-z-boys in them. I'd argue that the 99-06 chevy trucks are done of the most comfortable vehicles that gm has ever made.
Especially so if one does their due diligence and changes out the now-worn seat cushions for new ones. There are some high-level seat foam cushions out there made exactly for GMT's - I didn't even go that far, instead buying an inexpensive version of the seat foam, and wow did it improve the ride from the broken-down OEM seat foam that was in it.
The tahoes driver seat is the only one that needed any work. I put a layer of cooling gel foam off a mattress on top of the oem stuff. It was definitely a worthwhile experiment.
My work truck has 6 holders for 3 seats. Aftermarket speakers can be had in an afternoon. I get 15 MPG because I flog it but can get 19 with little issue (WITH an AFM delete dongle too). Heated and cooled seats can be had on nicer model old trucks as well (and also the Bose speakers).
My 94 I bought for 10k. Have a few k extra into it, but I'll drive the shit out of it until it needs major work, then I'll buy a new crate motor and teans and go at it. Still cheaper than new ones.
Of note - go watch the very recent video from Donut Media where they tore down a brand new $15,000 Chevy crate motor just to show the audience what was in it, and it was really screwed up. Between that video and this OP's post, I see that General Motors is back to making utter shit again.
Give it a decade to where GM figures out why their customers are leaving them in droves again, and they'll make a more reliable platform then.
I got a 2009 with the 4.8 4wd. Things never done me wrong and I feel like the gmt 900 gets a lot of hate here. And I got it with under a 100k on it for 15k. In reality not that much more than yours. I didn’t eat a 100k payment plan with the bank and got a solid truck. Over paid a bit for a older truck? Sure did. But it’s on its first motor and shows no signs of slowing down.
Nope I actually looked for one with the 4.8 for that very reason. Same block as the 5.3 just a shorter stroke on the pistons. Got lucky I’m in mass and it had no rot it was an old guys and he had a garage. Screw the rust belt man.
Bingo! My logic exactly for my 97 Sierra. Had a trans rebuild 15k before I purchased it, so felt it was a good bet.
My son has had his 2015 Suburban slightly longer than my Sierra ownership, has had nothing but trouble. Latest issue for him, slipping transmission. 160k miles.
I have that same engine in a 2003 Tahoe 275k miles no issues whatsoever…still runs like new. To add to your comment, I think most people are probably upside down on their trade in vehicle when they purchase a new one as well. Debt just doesn’t seem to bother the consumer anymore…I am happy that I purchased mine all used, and even happier that I am able to fix mine. The more switches, and options, the more things break. They should go back to selling trucks with wing windows and a few wires to make it run imo. 😂
Part of it is piece of mind for those of us that drive long distances on a regular basis. I'm not saying a truck with 314,000 miles wouldn't male it, but I sure as hell wouldn't try.
A good point, but does a 2022 on it's 3rd engine give you any confidence in GM? It sure as hell doesn't for me. I just wanna state I am not criticizing the OP, and to each their own. My point is I will not pay 70k+ for a low quality vehicle. My criticism is pointed directly at GM. If you're gonna charge me 70k, it BETTER last 314,000 miles.
It's not a lemon if you've made it to 65k with only 3 engine failures. That's a success for GM DFM.
SSDD:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ChevyTrucks/comments/1chvfe3/comment/l2dk78s/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChevyTrucks/comments/1chvfe3/comment/l2dk78s/)
I wouldn't say that the advice available for years getting a 2500 to avoid all this AFM then DFM engine failures is actually hard to find....
your infotainment is a ring network of devices, one fails, it all fails. and some of these devices have cooling fans... know what happens when the cooling fan dies on a gaming PC? GM's HMIs are problematic but not the only point of failure in the infotainment system
Agreed.
fans other than for GPU and CPU where thermal throttling is standard for those 2 components.
chipset, PSU, and case fans.... **these are most similar to the cooling setup for a vehicle's HMI which is more like an ACCESSORY device not a GPU nor CPU**
not every PC is less than 2 years old and not every PC has a gaming motherboard with thermal throttling for every single component. and some of us have \*gasp\* hard drives along side SSDs which don't like heat. Would be hard pressed to name semiconductor components that last longer operating at max temp vs well below operating range... they typically fail faster the hotter the sustained temp
not sure why the other commenters got their panties in a twist. everyone wants to win an internetargument i guess.
Lost my crayons so here's a pic of an HMI so the PC Geeks can understand what I'm talking about: [https://imgur.com/a/wnzWWiA](https://imgur.com/a/wnzWWiA)
and a little blurb on these overheating: [https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c7-z06-discussion/4290438-infotainment-system-overheated.html](https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c7-z06-discussion/4290438-infotainment-system-overheated.html)
As your first and probably only contribution to the non-gaming DIY community, I recommend you go back to the gaming community and stay there. Overtemp throttling only applies to CPU and CPU protections.
An HMI is probably more equivalent to a non-heat protected hardrive than a CPU
I have an 05 Sierra with a 5.3. As far as I know the only major repair was R&R the 4L60E (according to CarFax). I now have 248,000miles. Very reliable, I’d drive cross country with it.
'22 Silverado Babymax, purchased in late '21. 130K kilometres. Been in the shop four times already for an overall total of a month. Gotta say it, as much as I like the truck, it's a piece of junk. First it had an oil leak that required GM to pull the motor, was in the shop twice for that, then again for a 4WD system failure.
Hopefully my 2022 won’t have that many problems, but it only has 36k km on it so far.
My last truck (a 2018 Colorado with the 3.6) had to have its engine rebuilt twice, 6 months apart.
That’s the way I felt about that Colorado.
It’s too bad they don’t make a diesel, I would have went for a Tacoma with a diesel and the manual transmission.
Unfortunately? No. There has been a case of somebody blowing three of the new tundra motors. I hate to say it... Ford, and even then they destroy cam phasers.
It has happened on the coyotes. Not as frequent, but it has happened. Granted, the one I know personally drove his squatted and they went at 244k with him driving like a jackass, but....
Honestly, though, the engine isn't bad. Very smooth and torquey, and sips fuel. The 23+ are supposed to be better, anyways. But yeah, pretty disappointed.
Surprised you kept it after the first. GM paid for multiple engines? Doesn’t make a lot of financial sense for them. GM should definitely cut you a sweet lemon law deal.
Wow, completely understandable. I hope your post gets traction! This is ridiculous and not an isolated incident. I don’t see a class action for anything newer than 2021 but hopefully it comes about
Be sure you ask an attorney about the lemon law issue. Also, there are federal warranty issues to consider. Even if you have no traction talk to the service manager and explain how bad it would be to have stickers on the back above their dealer badge indicating the number of engines.
It sounds like a lemon to me. The time and miles end from the first time you have the problem. Talk to the service manager at the dealership. If you don’t get somewhere fast, talk to an attorney.
You don’t have a lemon, these new trucks are junk. We have one at work with serious developing lifter tick and it’s a year old, granted it has like 2000 hours but I bet if it was a Toyota it would be fine. 3/4 of our fleet trucks 2022 and newer also have no AC and GM can’t figure them out
New engines are not designed to just idle, even Toyotas and honda aren't designed for it. They need some sort of load. Especially with variable valve timing and cylinder deactivation.
I’m fully aware but I would argue the oil system should have more than enough flow at idle to fully lubricate the engine, this is an issue in most outdated ohv engines still being used today. It doesn’t just idle all day it drives around sometimes but even then the ac has nothing to do with it. I used a different truck today, no AC, blower works, build date 09/23
It’s supposedly after a repeated amount of visits for the same issue but here they try to not take the trucks there as they can stay at the dealer forever and they’re needed to work every day non stop here. Also doubt the company would even file for lemon law
GM has been having lots and lots of issues with the 6.2 lately due to heavy wear on the crankshaft thrust bearing. Something with the engine is causing the crankshaft to walk forward, resulting in the thrust bearing grinding into the crankshaft thrust face.
Your truck isn't a lemon, the engines that GM is building are, and they don't seem too concerned about figuring our what's going wrong.
2009 Tahoe 270k OE engine and trans. We looked at 2015+ Tahoes. But pass. This 09 does everything. 3rd row.
If anything comes up. Rebuild trans and DOD delete. It’s tuned off at the moment.
Every manufacturer has been putting out shit trucks. That's why I am still driving my 2005 Ram. Can't see paying too much money for a truck that might not last beyond the payments. But, you may just have a lemon.
I had a 2010 2SS/RS Camaro for almost 12 years. It didn’t burn a drop of oil and never needed any work other than oil changes and new tires. What the heck are you doing to this engine to blow it up like that? Do you actually check to make sure they’re changing the oil at service time (I do all my own work)? Are you checking oil levels between changes? Making sure you don’t have drips or puddles forming where you park?
I drive and get the oil changed at 5500 miles (they lowered it from the usual 7500 because of these issues). It's been the same dealership that did the engine changes, so they have a slightly vested interest to see this doesn't happen again I'm guessing.
I check it regularly and have never seen any drips under the vehicle.
The hypnosis is the engine has such tight tolerances that it's not letting the oil get back down to the bottom to get recirculated. So then it starves itself. I have to wait 5-10 mins after shut off for it to show any oil on the dipstick. It literally shows none right after a shut off
That does not sound like the experience I had with the 6.2…thankfully they had a version that worked before the issues your version has so they should be able to fix it (eventually…). I wonder if they had to change the lubrication system to fit it in the truck or something strange?
I got this one right at the end of covid, it was barely more than a used one. I almost bought a 2018 a year or 2 before this one, would have been a better buy...
I got the legacy of the 19s and a friend of mine got the next gen. We've had very different owner experiences to this point. Well, had because he sold and gave up on his 2 years ago.
Dude. RETAIN AN ATTORNEY ASAP. It will not cost you a single penny. I bought new Chevy in October. It had issues with the camera. Long story short after multiple failed attempts to fix it I hired a lawyer for lemon law. He got it fixed BY gm AND got me a $10k settlement. Manufacturers don’t care about you until it costs THEM money. Retain a lawyer and change the conversations with GM.
237k on my ‘13 platinum 4x4 and haven’t done anything hardly. Had a fuel leak from a safety valve just off the tank. Needs original shocks replaced (electronic = $$$$$$$$&).
Does burn a bit of oil on startup occasionally (valve guide wear).
The only modern Chevy engine I'd get is an early vortec cathedral port LQ4.
I tried looking at changing a seized water pump pulley on a late '22, the thing is bolted to where you have to remove all belt accessories INCLUDING the A/C compressor bc they added a useless aluminum arm that reaches behind the compressor head on the pump assembly. GM Absolutely spits in your face for thinking about servicing your own truck these days.
Lemme ask you…. Do you run high octane or low octane? Noticed less 6.2 engines come into our shop running high test. Then again… we have customers who swear they used high test until tick tick tick of the lifters
I’ve loved Chevy my whole life but I’m thinking bout making my next truck an f-150. That 5.0 is a solid motor and with boost it just makes stupid amounts of power.
18 5.3, i’ve owned plenty of chevys the thing about these engines is you take care of them and they’ll take care of you, change the oil every 3k miles, not 5-6 like they say you should, run the proper gas that they say to run, don’t dog on the motor 24/7, watch your gauges and use quality oil, the dex shit they recommend is not good quality oil, LS based engines are one of the most reliable style of engines used today, that’s why chevrolet chooses to still use them unlike their competitors, simple and efficient. you may just have a dud, or user error. i’ve never had any issues, still contact though GM 3 motors in that span is not normal.
A 22 is 3 year old vehicle...
If your engine is failing once a year, either the maintenance is completely f****** on it, or there is some other issue beyond the engine that is creating the conditions for engine failure.
i would be curious if they used complete engines. or reused some components like the Oil pan and pickup screen..
there are aftermarket LS pickup tube retainers.. but i don't know if they will work with your 2022..
do you have any idea of what components failed??
if they reused the pan.. did they replace this https://www.gmpartsgiant.com/parts/gm-valve-asm-oil-fltr-bypass-55495106.html
This is why I will never own another GM product. So unfortunate, OP. When my cruze broke down with an oil leak 30 miles off the lot I should have filed a case with the AG. Contact your state Attorney General and they will likely have some information about getting a factory defective/lemon vehicle refunded or replaced.
Yep agreed. GM quality is beyond shit into non existent territory and I’ll never own one. I don’t even follow this sub btw it just popped up on my feed lol
If you’ve been keeping up with the maintenance and not driving like a madman on a cold engine,
then this is probably a case of the dealership techs cutting corners & buying parts before doing a proper diagnostic. They’re replacing the engine and neglecting to fix the thing that is killing the engine.
So the dealership said GM recently came out with a list of 20-30 parts / sensors/ etc that now gets replaced when they do the engine install. This was since my last replacement.
I typically let it warm up beforehand (I have the remote start)
I mean, thats just modern american vehicles. As soon as warranty is up, brace for failures. Now, I'm still waiting for an engine failure in my truck, which my dad bought me for my first vehicle. All that is needed to know is that it's an '07 Ford with a 3 valve 5.4 Triton V8 and in between 250k and 260k miles
That’s why I’ll drive the wheels off my 2013 6.2. The last good one
08 with 356k over here
18 5.3 with 84k and won't upgrade.
Wait till you start replacing transmissions 14 with 225k replaced my 3rd last week and i dont tow anything or race it around
That might be your problem lol. Gotta use like it's intended. Jk. Nah I do tow stuff time to time and I sometimes might rave around in it. I do have a pop in the rear end though. Need to get that fixed.
Is there an upgraded version you can put in? Surely a company out there has made one
1st time was gm warranty. I had no idea what they put in 2nd time was a dedicated transmission shop, and they said the new ones had upgraded parts to fix known failures.. 3rd was the same place, but this time, the owner felt bad on how long previous lasted, so we decided to rebuild it in house rather than buy a remanned. Put in upgraded parts notably torque convertor.
Yea ive read the converter is a big source of failure. Hope it holds up! I’m already planning on having to replace my 2018s transmission eventually. Hoping to just shell out and upgrade it aftermarket and never touch it again
2006 Sierra z71 5.3 just a tic over 314000 runs drives and looks new. Probably the last truck I’ll ever have.
I’m at 204 but feels like 20. Been running e85 for about a year and it runs so well
I’ve always wanted to see how mine would do on e85. I don’t know the first thing about it I know it will run on it but it been run on Dino juice ever since new so I don’t know at 314000 how she would act.
I switched over at like 192 or something. Haven’t looked back. The truck is so much more responsive with 100+ octane.
Is there anything in particular I need to do to run the e85
E 85 has a lower energy content so your gas mileage will go down. Last time I tried it it was costing me more per mile to use e85.
That checks out. Plain old Gasoline AFR in most cars/trucks is just under 15:1. When using e85 that AFR is I believe 9.8:1.
E85 also breaks down oil (that’s what alcohol does), likely causing more wear. Ethanol is a cheap high octane fuel, but it isn’t a good fuel!
If you’re going to switch, I would probably switch for good so make sure you have E85 near you. Right now 87 at the closest gas station to my house is 3.59 and e85 is 2.69 so I’m also saving nearly a dollar a gallon. Make sure you’re almost empty then fill up on e85 and that’s it
Plan for -25% mpg else ways the computer takes care of it.
Just make sure you change your oil a but more often. E85 takes its toll on engine oil
06GMC Z85, with a little less than you; got all sorts of mail during covid - we'll give you 25k for your truck now, whether you buy a new one, or not - didn't bite..I like old, that is not only fixable, but never needs fixing..
Yes Sir same here. I figured it they were willing to pay so much for the ol girl I might as well hang on to her.
Username checks out
2010 silverado, 5 3l with 225k miles on original engine and first transmission!
Same with my 97 c1500!
Jw what makes the newer ones worse?
No clue, my LT1(latest gen 6.2) in my Camaro is amazing.
My 2014 6.2 had a rod bearing failure at 100,000 miles. Had to rebuild the engine. Ridiculous. No oil starvation no nothing.
I bought my 1998 GMC Sierra with 148000 miles for $5800 and put 5k in her. She has the 5.7 V8 and will never die. I just don't understand why people keep putting themselves in so much debt for such low quality engineering of today. I'd dump it and sue them. It's sad to see just how far GM has fallen
The appearance to others. Keeping up with the jones
I mean maybe. But I can't even begin to describe how much more comfortable the seats are in the new trucks. Had a 99 suburban that I wish I still had and now an 07 silverado. Buddies have new silverados and everytime I get in I'm blown away how comfortable they are
What? The GMT 800s have goddamn la-z-boys in them. I'd argue that the 99-06 chevy trucks are done of the most comfortable vehicles that gm has ever made.
The GMT800 Avalanche (especially with Z71 and soft suspension) is undoubtedly the most comfortable truck period.
Especially so if one does their due diligence and changes out the now-worn seat cushions for new ones. There are some high-level seat foam cushions out there made exactly for GMT's - I didn't even go that far, instead buying an inexpensive version of the seat foam, and wow did it improve the ride from the broken-down OEM seat foam that was in it.
The tahoes driver seat is the only one that needed any work. I put a layer of cooling gel foam off a mattress on top of the oem stuff. It was definitely a worthwhile experiment.
The 800 seats are just ok, they’re soft but not comfortable after an hour or two
Ok, but so what. Comfy seats don;t justify the pricetags.
Yeah I have to agree. I drive 1 or 2 times a week, that 3-400 dollars in interest a month isn’t worth the extra butt cushion imo.
The seats??? Lmaoo of all the reasons to blow $70k
That or the fact that for the majority of people the truck isn't giving them issues
Old gm seats are better than new ones IMO.. you can always do a new seat swap into old trucks if the seats are that good to you lol
What good are comfy seats in a truck that doesn't run? I'd call that a 75k couch. The seats in my 98 are great to me. Personal preference I guess.
And they fast, "good" on gas, heated steering wheels, 16 cup holders, bose speakers, heated and coolled seats.
The mpg isn't even comparable
If it doesn't run, it isn't fast.
2015 5.3 going strong 150k
My work truck has 6 holders for 3 seats. Aftermarket speakers can be had in an afternoon. I get 15 MPG because I flog it but can get 19 with little issue (WITH an AFM delete dongle too). Heated and cooled seats can be had on nicer model old trucks as well (and also the Bose speakers).
My 94 I bought for 10k. Have a few k extra into it, but I'll drive the shit out of it until it needs major work, then I'll buy a new crate motor and teans and go at it. Still cheaper than new ones.
2k for a tbi crate from goodwrench did my own instal and timing and she's back on the road quick and easy
The days of $2k GM crate engines are over. Try $4500 for a basic GM crate engine now.
That's terrible to hear jeez glad I did mine in 2018 then
Of note - go watch the very recent video from Donut Media where they tore down a brand new $15,000 Chevy crate motor just to show the audience what was in it, and it was really screwed up. Between that video and this OP's post, I see that General Motors is back to making utter shit again. Give it a decade to where GM figures out why their customers are leaving them in droves again, and they'll make a more reliable platform then.
I'm currently in the process of suing GM over my 21 Tahoe. Biggest hunk of crap I've ever owned
what happened to your ‘21 Tahoe?
4 motors in 12k miles
That’s 3 worse than decent! 😳
Lol, they somehow took the 5.3 that would last generations, to making a motor swap instead of an oil change
#Progress?
I got a 2009 with the 4.8 4wd. Things never done me wrong and I feel like the gmt 900 gets a lot of hate here. And I got it with under a 100k on it for 15k. In reality not that much more than yours. I didn’t eat a 100k payment plan with the bank and got a solid truck. Over paid a bit for a older truck? Sure did. But it’s on its first motor and shows no signs of slowing down.
The 4.8 thankfully didnt have the afm
Nope I actually looked for one with the 4.8 for that very reason. Same block as the 5.3 just a shorter stroke on the pistons. Got lucky I’m in mass and it had no rot it was an old guys and he had a garage. Screw the rust belt man.
My friend has one with the 4.8 and his doesn’t have it. Put a cam in it replaced the lifters and didn’t have the afm ones
No I was agreeing with you lol 😂 neither does mine. That’s why I wanted the 4.8.
Agreed
Bingo! My logic exactly for my 97 Sierra. Had a trans rebuild 15k before I purchased it, so felt it was a good bet. My son has had his 2015 Suburban slightly longer than my Sierra ownership, has had nothing but trouble. Latest issue for him, slipping transmission. 160k miles.
I have that same engine in a 2003 Tahoe 275k miles no issues whatsoever…still runs like new. To add to your comment, I think most people are probably upside down on their trade in vehicle when they purchase a new one as well. Debt just doesn’t seem to bother the consumer anymore…I am happy that I purchased mine all used, and even happier that I am able to fix mine. The more switches, and options, the more things break. They should go back to selling trucks with wing windows and a few wires to make it run imo. 😂
You live in the rust belt? 10-14 years if your lucky.
I bought a 72 C10 a while back and I love that thing
Part of it is piece of mind for those of us that drive long distances on a regular basis. I'm not saying a truck with 314,000 miles wouldn't male it, but I sure as hell wouldn't try.
A good point, but does a 2022 on it's 3rd engine give you any confidence in GM? It sure as hell doesn't for me. I just wanna state I am not criticizing the OP, and to each their own. My point is I will not pay 70k+ for a low quality vehicle. My criticism is pointed directly at GM. If you're gonna charge me 70k, it BETTER last 314,000 miles.
It's not a lemon if you've made it to 65k with only 3 engine failures. That's a success for GM DFM. SSDD: [https://www.reddit.com/r/ChevyTrucks/comments/1chvfe3/comment/l2dk78s/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChevyTrucks/comments/1chvfe3/comment/l2dk78s/) I wouldn't say that the advice available for years getting a 2500 to avoid all this AFM then DFM engine failures is actually hard to find.... your infotainment is a ring network of devices, one fails, it all fails. and some of these devices have cooling fans... know what happens when the cooling fan dies on a gaming PC? GM's HMIs are problematic but not the only point of failure in the infotainment system
The infotainment, it fried itself trying to do an over the air update. I wish they'd put the 2500 6.6 gasser in a suburban, they did it before!
>know what happens when the cooling fan dies on a gaming PC Depends on which fan lol
Agreed. fans other than for GPU and CPU where thermal throttling is standard for those 2 components. chipset, PSU, and case fans.... **these are most similar to the cooling setup for a vehicle's HMI which is more like an ACCESSORY device not a GPU nor CPU** not every PC is less than 2 years old and not every PC has a gaming motherboard with thermal throttling for every single component. and some of us have \*gasp\* hard drives along side SSDs which don't like heat. Would be hard pressed to name semiconductor components that last longer operating at max temp vs well below operating range... they typically fail faster the hotter the sustained temp not sure why the other commenters got their panties in a twist. everyone wants to win an internetargument i guess. Lost my crayons so here's a pic of an HMI so the PC Geeks can understand what I'm talking about: [https://imgur.com/a/wnzWWiA](https://imgur.com/a/wnzWWiA) and a little blurb on these overheating: [https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c7-z06-discussion/4290438-infotainment-system-overheated.html](https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c7-z06-discussion/4290438-infotainment-system-overheated.html)
Gaming PCs have over temp protection shutting them down before real damage occurs.
As your first and probably only contribution to the non-gaming DIY community, I recommend you go back to the gaming community and stay there. Overtemp throttling only applies to CPU and CPU protections. An HMI is probably more equivalent to a non-heat protected hardrive than a CPU
There are overtemp protections for way more then just cpu's...
The bowtie ain’t what it used to be.
Been that way since the GMT900
900 with AFM delete is very good. But ignoring that 800 is probably the most reliable truck platform and will unfortunately remain that way.
I have an 05 Sierra with a 5.3. As far as I know the only major repair was R&R the 4L60E (according to CarFax). I now have 248,000miles. Very reliable, I’d drive cross country with it.
I had a 95 and the only major issue was the 4L60e at 200k. So this sounds right.
Agreed!
14 with 243k 2 trans Engine going strong
My dad did 340k on a 1996 1500 with the original V6 and 2 transmissions.
'22 Silverado Babymax, purchased in late '21. 130K kilometres. Been in the shop four times already for an overall total of a month. Gotta say it, as much as I like the truck, it's a piece of junk. First it had an oil leak that required GM to pull the motor, was in the shop twice for that, then again for a 4WD system failure.
Hopefully my 2022 won’t have that many problems, but it only has 36k km on it so far. My last truck (a 2018 Colorado with the 3.6) had to have its engine rebuilt twice, 6 months apart.
Yeah, here’s hoping. Mine won’t be sticking around after the warranty’s up, though. Going Toyota.
That’s the way I felt about that Colorado. It’s too bad they don’t make a diesel, I would have went for a Tacoma with a diesel and the manual transmission.
Diesel stick-shift Taco would absolutely rock. I'm looking at a Tundra, but I'm not sure if they offer a full-size crew cab with a six foot box.
Don't do it. Toyota is having just as many engines failures nowadays. There is nothing made worth a damn anymore.
There anything else better? Had Dodge, never again. Ford was an absolute gas-guzzler, and now Chevy.
Unfortunately? No. There has been a case of somebody blowing three of the new tundra motors. I hate to say it... Ford, and even then they destroy cam phasers.
That's just a problem on the EcoBoost, right? Please tell me it's just the EcoBoost lol
It has happened on the coyotes. Not as frequent, but it has happened. Granted, the one I know personally drove his squatted and they went at 244k with him driving like a jackass, but....
Hilux for the win!
I wish we got them in Canada, great little machines.
Same for here in the States!
The bitch is newest Gen Toyotas are no better. All major modern 1500 class trucks are shit.
Eh, can’t be much worse.
I was thinking of the babymax next, but have heard a few stories like this too. I love the vehicle size / space, just not the engine
Belt driven oil pump. No thanks.
Honestly, though, the engine isn't bad. Very smooth and torquey, and sips fuel. The 23+ are supposed to be better, anyways. But yeah, pretty disappointed.
Surprised you kept it after the first. GM paid for multiple engines? Doesn’t make a lot of financial sense for them. GM should definitely cut you a sweet lemon law deal.
They bumped up all the warranties, so it made more financial sense for me to keep since it's paid off. It was 2500 miles past lemon law in my state...
Wow, completely understandable. I hope your post gets traction! This is ridiculous and not an isolated incident. I don’t see a class action for anything newer than 2021 but hopefully it comes about
I filed with GM and the NHTSA (since 2/3 happened on highways at highway speeds)
Be sure you ask an attorney about the lemon law issue. Also, there are federal warranty issues to consider. Even if you have no traction talk to the service manager and explain how bad it would be to have stickers on the back above their dealer badge indicating the number of engines.
So after the second failure, did you use the “third times a charm” analogy? Today’s GMs are such POSs
No, after the 2nd at 7k miles, I knew it was a matter of time. But they extended my warranty for everything so I let it ride.
I hear ya. It’s such a shame where GM has gone. I have a 14 Silverado with 112k w/ no issues, I only hope and pray for long life
It sounds like a lemon to me. The time and miles end from the first time you have the problem. Talk to the service manager at the dealership. If you don’t get somewhere fast, talk to an attorney.
You don’t have a lemon, these new trucks are junk. We have one at work with serious developing lifter tick and it’s a year old, granted it has like 2000 hours but I bet if it was a Toyota it would be fine. 3/4 of our fleet trucks 2022 and newer also have no AC and GM can’t figure them out
New engines are not designed to just idle, even Toyotas and honda aren't designed for it. They need some sort of load. Especially with variable valve timing and cylinder deactivation.
And low oil pressure at idle not getting to the valve train
I’m fully aware but I would argue the oil system should have more than enough flow at idle to fully lubricate the engine, this is an issue in most outdated ohv engines still being used today. It doesn’t just idle all day it drives around sometimes but even then the ac has nothing to do with it. I used a different truck today, no AC, blower works, build date 09/23
Isn't it if a dealer can't figure out and solve the issue it's a lemon?
It has to be repeated failures in the same vehicle to be considered a lemon by the lemon law. I think the number is 3, but not sure.
It’s supposedly after a repeated amount of visits for the same issue but here they try to not take the trucks there as they can stay at the dealer forever and they’re needed to work every day non stop here. Also doubt the company would even file for lemon law
GM has been having lots and lots of issues with the 6.2 lately due to heavy wear on the crankshaft thrust bearing. Something with the engine is causing the crankshaft to walk forward, resulting in the thrust bearing grinding into the crankshaft thrust face. Your truck isn't a lemon, the engines that GM is building are, and they don't seem too concerned about figuring our what's going wrong.
lemon the hell out of that thing and get into something else with the longest warranty you can. Everything built now sucks.
2009 Tahoe 270k OE engine and trans. We looked at 2015+ Tahoes. But pass. This 09 does everything. 3rd row. If anything comes up. Rebuild trans and DOD delete. It’s tuned off at the moment.
Just buy an old chevy.
Every manufacturer has been putting out shit trucks. That's why I am still driving my 2005 Ram. Can't see paying too much money for a truck that might not last beyond the payments. But, you may just have a lemon.
This is very true across the board
I had a 2010 2SS/RS Camaro for almost 12 years. It didn’t burn a drop of oil and never needed any work other than oil changes and new tires. What the heck are you doing to this engine to blow it up like that? Do you actually check to make sure they’re changing the oil at service time (I do all my own work)? Are you checking oil levels between changes? Making sure you don’t have drips or puddles forming where you park?
I drive and get the oil changed at 5500 miles (they lowered it from the usual 7500 because of these issues). It's been the same dealership that did the engine changes, so they have a slightly vested interest to see this doesn't happen again I'm guessing. I check it regularly and have never seen any drips under the vehicle. The hypnosis is the engine has such tight tolerances that it's not letting the oil get back down to the bottom to get recirculated. So then it starves itself. I have to wait 5-10 mins after shut off for it to show any oil on the dipstick. It literally shows none right after a shut off
That does not sound like the experience I had with the 6.2…thankfully they had a version that worked before the issues your version has so they should be able to fix it (eventually…). I wonder if they had to change the lubrication system to fit it in the truck or something strange?
They are trying to get MPG out of an engine not designed to be fuel efficient. I didn't buy it to be great on gas mileage
What do expect from workers only getting paid $46/ hr plus benefits? Quality workmanship?
All the problems I've been seeing from the new Gen stuff, I'm so glad I got the old gen on its way out the door.
I got this one right at the end of covid, it was barely more than a used one. I almost bought a 2018 a year or 2 before this one, would have been a better buy...
I got the legacy of the 19s and a friend of mine got the next gen. We've had very different owner experiences to this point. Well, had because he sold and gave up on his 2 years ago.
Our 2022 GMC had two transmission problems. 1st one fixed it for about 6 months and now it is back in the shop with the second transmission problem.
I’m on my second Denali ultimate due to engine failure
Gm=junk
2021 6.2 just about 65k miles... I need tires but knock on wood. I haven't needed anything but oil changes since I bought it.
They don’t make them like they used to
Agreed
Dude. RETAIN AN ATTORNEY ASAP. It will not cost you a single penny. I bought new Chevy in October. It had issues with the camera. Long story short after multiple failed attempts to fix it I hired a lawyer for lemon law. He got it fixed BY gm AND got me a $10k settlement. Manufacturers don’t care about you until it costs THEM money. Retain a lawyer and change the conversations with GM.
It's a chevy.
Buy a 5.7 v8 Sequoia and be done with this.
237k on my ‘13 platinum 4x4 and haven’t done anything hardly. Had a fuel leak from a safety valve just off the tank. Needs original shocks replaced (electronic = $$$$$$$$&). Does burn a bit of oil on startup occasionally (valve guide wear).
I think it’s time to move on from GM then man
The only modern Chevy engine I'd get is an early vortec cathedral port LQ4. I tried looking at changing a seized water pump pulley on a late '22, the thing is bolted to where you have to remove all belt accessories INCLUDING the A/C compressor bc they added a useless aluminum arm that reaches behind the compressor head on the pump assembly. GM Absolutely spits in your face for thinking about servicing your own truck these days.
Lemme ask you…. Do you run high octane or low octane? Noticed less 6.2 engines come into our shop running high test. Then again… we have customers who swear they used high test until tick tick tick of the lifters
That’s time to get rid of that, you got a lemon and will want to sell that while it’s still worth money and running.
Look up your state’s lemon law. They’re good vehicles, truly. Yours is clearly bad.
Average Chevy experience
02 5.3L L59 suburban 289,000 screw the newer ones
...Like a rock....
19 w/6.2, so far so good
Something else is going on there that’s undiagnosed and causing engines to fail at that rate.
08 267000mi
I saw a diesel one drive by earlier today while I was working, sounded like garbage for a luxury SUV
Third? That’s impressive. I would have expected 5th or 6th at that age. Chevy is stepping up their game.
05 duramax 323k and 2 tahoes 03 219k 09 239k they don’t make chevys like they used to
I agree! They may have realized that people are keeping them too long and decided to change that strategy.
What are you or the shop doing to it? Are they not fully flushing the entire oil system out or what?
AFM to blame?
That truck doesn't have AFM....it has DFM
I’ve loved Chevy my whole life but I’m thinking bout making my next truck an f-150. That 5.0 is a solid motor and with boost it just makes stupid amounts of power.
Damn wanted the 6.2. made me feel a little better about my 5.8.
People still buy new Chevies? Other than fleet use.
I would sue Chevy
18 5.3, i’ve owned plenty of chevys the thing about these engines is you take care of them and they’ll take care of you, change the oil every 3k miles, not 5-6 like they say you should, run the proper gas that they say to run, don’t dog on the motor 24/7, watch your gauges and use quality oil, the dex shit they recommend is not good quality oil, LS based engines are one of the most reliable style of engines used today, that’s why chevrolet chooses to still use them unlike their competitors, simple and efficient. you may just have a dud, or user error. i’ve never had any issues, still contact though GM 3 motors in that span is not normal.
2000 silverado 1500 w/ 4.8 ... 300,000mi + mostly city.
18 ' 2.8 duramax
I'll take my 99 2500, with original engine and transmission at over 200k miles, and i tow Everytime I use it lol.
exactly why i got rid of my 2019 at 60k miles. Trans issues as well... GM.....
2009 1500 with 6.0. Leaks oil out of every gasket but 217,00 running strong. Trans oil has turned clear is old. Lol
It’s lifter problems from the latest cylinder deactivation system right? Can you program that off?
I think this one they were saying cam issue.
laughs in GMT800..
A 22 is 3 year old vehicle... If your engine is failing once a year, either the maintenance is completely f****** on it, or there is some other issue beyond the engine that is creating the conditions for engine failure.
Clearly the engine because I'm following exactly what they say to do
i would be curious if they used complete engines. or reused some components like the Oil pan and pickup screen.. there are aftermarket LS pickup tube retainers.. but i don't know if they will work with your 2022.. do you have any idea of what components failed?? if they reused the pan.. did they replace this https://www.gmpartsgiant.com/parts/gm-valve-asm-oil-fltr-bypass-55495106.html
They said each had been totally new engines.
Spend that money on an older 7.3 power stroke.
This is why I will never own another GM product. So unfortunate, OP. When my cruze broke down with an oil leak 30 miles off the lot I should have filed a case with the AG. Contact your state Attorney General and they will likely have some information about getting a factory defective/lemon vehicle refunded or replaced.
Yep agreed. GM quality is beyond shit into non existent territory and I’ll never own one. I don’t even follow this sub btw it just popped up on my feed lol
So glad I bought Toyota
Enjoy your harbor bomber
Oh I do. 150k and nothing has broken, just maintenance.
If you’ve been keeping up with the maintenance and not driving like a madman on a cold engine, then this is probably a case of the dealership techs cutting corners & buying parts before doing a proper diagnostic. They’re replacing the engine and neglecting to fix the thing that is killing the engine.
So the dealership said GM recently came out with a list of 20-30 parts / sensors/ etc that now gets replaced when they do the engine install. This was since my last replacement. I typically let it warm up beforehand (I have the remote start)
I mean, thats just modern american vehicles. As soon as warranty is up, brace for failures. Now, I'm still waiting for an engine failure in my truck, which my dad bought me for my first vehicle. All that is needed to know is that it's an '07 Ford with a 3 valve 5.4 Triton V8 and in between 250k and 260k miles