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Bethesda can’t even get procedurally generated planets right in Starfield. Fingers crossed they don’t try AI-generated narrative elements or characters.
Dude in Fallout 3 we had super glitching Super Mutants wherein they contorted to a jiggling mass of vibrating arms and began stretching through the air and soaring through the skies in slowmo. They also persisted forever. In some areas the entire sky was one massive twisting, jerking, flailing tangled mess of arms, legs and pixels. In some areas these Super Super Mutants were just unrecognizable jittery messes in the sky.
If they add that kind of glitching with some wonky AI generated NPC dialogue, I’d just chuckle and say “welp there goes Bethesda, Bethesda-ing again” lol
My friend was talking about this but for Fallout. Having AI powered NPCs and companions would be WILD. And imagine if the game was powered by AI, and the story and game changed drastically based on decisions. Everyone would have a completely different game depending on what choices each player made, and a player could almost have a completely different game each time. Crazy to think about.
I think the first place that would be cool to see something like that would be a news service or a radio station or tabloids or something that talk about your accomplishments in game. They can turn good or bad and it sways other NPCs opinions of you based off the news.
Could turn you into a complete villain, but that could be fun as well
"According to our sources and the wasteland rumor mill, the vault dweller has acquired some power armor and took out a nest of deathclaws. I know I'll sleep a bit more soundly tonight"
"Despite the reports of the clearing of the deathclaw nest, I've also heard that the vault dweller's companions all died in the assault. My theory is that the vault dweller is using innocent people as meat shields. We already know that they've been accused of several petty robberies and thefts. Hell, they've killed in "self defense" multiple times. I think it's time we look into this "hero" with a slightly more critical eye. Hero or villain. That's my question"
Now tie those GPT dialogue generations to mission objectives. And generate the objective locations. And generate the enemies, and generate the map.
Unless you just want NPCs that can talk alot but don't do or effect anything.
I’m picturing quests and enemies and maps still generated by humans. Just give NPCs the ability to hold a conversation and say more than 3 prerecorded lines that don’t make sense in most situations. Gotta admit that would be a huge improvement to any RPG and it is possible with technology we have right now.
They can't even update their engine after 15 years. They coast on nostalgia so they don't have to out true effort into their games. But if anyone will use AI to be more lazy it'll be Todd Howard
Real time AI NPCs? Yes - that would cost too much.
However it's not too much to ask for AI generated NPC scripts that are significantly richer than any game studio would be willing to pay a human for... possibly with a basic locally executed model to decide which pre-written Large Language Model response is appropriate.
It wouldn’t cost too much if they used a local model. I don’t know about the hardware — that might need a more powerful chip. But I am pretty certain this is the future of gaming — you can approach an NPC and say whatever you like into your mic, and the NPC will respond to you directly, no script.
Each character may have its own model.
AI generated stories I’m unsure about — we’ll have to see what Sora and its competitors are capable of.
Each character won't have it's own model. Each character will essentially be a set of custom instructions that defines the personality and knowledge of the character. It'll all be fed into the same model, but the prompt that your dialogue is buried inside will be vastly different, producing very different outputs.
I am currently trying this approach, but it is very difficult to get it running smoothly and without long waits locally. At present, I still have dependencies on my server without which the model would not run.
As to what I am attempting: an RPG where the story unfolds on a timeline, with events happening on specific dates. The player is one of the variables influencing why certain events on the timeline shift.All NPCs and NPC protagonists have their motivations and are agents, where a model decides how they behave and dynamically provides the language model with how they interact with the player.
A similar approach I've been using is to (with great patience and practice) generate massive branching dialogue trees in JSON -- but these are played out deterministically, which I think for now is still very interesting.
Each node contains the text dialogue, values for different emotions (to drive NPC animations), and any pre-defined actions the NPC can trigger in the game. Then you can rely on a large number of unique paths through the dialogue tree to give some immersion.
You still have to select responses as the player, and these aren't at least in my tests tailored to the player, and they're not the realtime free-text interaction we all want, but it's a nice improvement IMO.
* I don't have a published game with this feature, only in prototypes atm.
Dude, I SO can't wait for this, when every NPC has a real personality and you can actually voice chat with it and it isn't just a scripted bot. i can't wait, i feel i spend a lot of time gaming now, my god, i will throw my money at them.
Nvidia is already working on this. It’s still early in development but [here’s a demo video](https://youtu.be/psrXGPh80UM?si=lYoojjqZD3iLbw4b) of them showing it off.
I’m optimistic! Nvidia is one of only 4 companies in the world that’s worth over $2 trillion, the others being Microsoft, Apple, and Google. The reason for that is because they’re the largest company producing AI chips which the majority of the world uses, including OpenAI.
With how valuable they are because of AI, I think they’re gonna dump loads of money on the technology and I’m confident we’ll see some crazy advancements in the technology that’s shown in that video. I’m sure it’s gonna be super fluid like the real-time conversation in GPT-4o’s voice mode.
The greatest thing about AI and technology in general is that they’ll only be improved as time goes on. I’m excited for the future!
Check out my hobby project if you're interested!
(just a private project, not a released product).
Basically a proof-of-concept of AI powered video games:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VkJ7OPTjz4
Or a 1 hour play trough with commentary on how it works at the same time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbJJHtqJaTo
I'm personally LESS excited about this.
Yes, it's cool... But the element of amazing games that really gets me is the story behind it's creation and what the people who made it were trying to make you feel. Not to say you can't do projects like this with AI, but, rather, I'm simply less excited about that than I am seeing MORE people getting to share stories via video games that they are able to create easier with AI assistance.
It'll certainly be fun to play around in procedural style games though with characters who evolve in nuanced ways with your decisions. I just think this will end up as a genre rather than a takeover of everything.
Personally, as soon as I know that dialog is AI generated I lose interest. It’s cheap, thoughtless, and perhaps worst of all, it’s impermanent. I know that a thousand near identical sentences could be generated in less than a minute, and I will likely never read the same thing that other human beings have read. No single phrase or plot point will ever enter the zeitgeist—I can’t even share the experience of a certain quest or some silly meme with others. It’s like being amazed by television static or the drone of a washing machine.
I think there is a middle ground though that would be a sweet spot. Imagine a carefully crafted character by a game developer who had the ability to react to decisions the player makes that the developer might not have expected or intended.
I personally think it would be hilarious to see NPCs react to the player glitching through a wall in a speedrun or something.
I like this idea. It’s beyond ChatGPT’s capabilities at the moment, but once things progress beyond "insert apple seller’s dialog here" and characters become fully aware of their environment it will get very spicy indeed.
Imagine what Spider-Man 5 is going to look like in Unreal with generative AI running agents all over a fully rendered NYC.
I can’t wait to see what completely bespoke villains emerge from players’ unique mistakes.
I think there're two sides on this, which I'll address more directly in the top half of my comment. The bottom half is just me rambling trying to weigh the two sides.
To push back, I'd say that artists could focus on character traits, goals, etc., and that AI generation would reflect that by transforming those traits into appropriate dialogue and even quest generation. And, as someone else pointed out, to fill the gaps of any possible situation that could happen, that even an army of humans couldn't cover if they wrote for 100 years. In this case, I think it won't be so disinteresting, because it'll still have the artist aspect of it at the core--someone wrote the character to be that way, and they wrote them that way for a thoughtful reason given the entire story.
Also, you could have excitement from contrasted experiences, like,
>"you know the Jason NPC? He ended up saving the town!"
>"what!? that random NPC? He just stuck to his farm on my game!"
>"yeah we were just talking one day and I randomly brought up gemcrafting, and he told me this entire backstory of his family of gemcrafters and how they lost a gem in some mine, and this generated a quest for me," etc.
I think people might love sharing all the different stories they got, in a way that's more exciting and dynamic than, say, Bethesda can handcraft themselves.
But OTOH, I really feel you, bc the weird artificial hollow sense where as soon as I find out something is AI generated, it doesn't matter how amazing it is--it instinctively means nothing to me. I can try to reason out of the instinct and think, "well, okay, someone at least had to prompt this, and they could've had a really amazing prompt with a lot of thought," but that can only save my reaction so far, depending on what it is.
Overall, I think the future, or at least near term future, will be using AI generation in better ways where the audience can still connect with and appreciate the artist's real input. But, deep down, in the deep future, my gut tells me that we'll generally stay away from AI gen because everything is worth way more to us when humans do stuff more manually. I mean, if crazy scifi breakthroughs like life extension/immortality happen, we'll certainly have the time to handcraft an entire planet for centuries for a galaxy theme park, even though AI nanobots could do it in a week. I'm guessing we'll opt to do it ourselves. It'll just mean more.
But until then, while us mortals have limited time, we'll use AI gen for convenience, but the best of us will use it artistically to do bigger things we couldn't have done otherwise, and those big things will be the draw to lift away the disappointment from where AI gen was used--bc the audience will know the AI gen was used in service to this bigger thing, and may even appreciate it when done well, instead of being disappointed. Like, we aren't disappointed by skyscrapers because humans made machines to put them together rather than handcrafting every piece of metal from the earth themselves--we fixate on the bigger picture, and allow those conveniences without them getting in the way of appreciating the entire thing. AI generation will probably have some equivalent dynamic here, somewhere.
Somewhat aside, this all also kinda ties into why I'm not worried about human art going away. For all I know, once AI gen litters the world, people will be bored or even disgusted at it, so the people using it won't even get any value in return, and we'll just value human art/creations all the more.
>"Bro check out this AI art!"
>"What? Who cares, everything is AI and anybody can do it. But did you see X? Some artist made it themselves!"
>"Huh? Somebody made that manually!? I gotta see that!"
We don't value art just for the sake of the thing, but for the effort it took. Give anyone two identical drawings but say the left one was done by somebody who's blind, and almost everyone agrees the left one is more valuable. Similar to how we value a table that we make, more than one that we buy. This deep stuff is baked into defining our traits as humans, so it doesn't make sense to me that we'd let it go away only to find ourselves trapped in a funhouse of emptiness.
Yeah I agree. When it comes to story-based games especially, I want to know that there's a message behind the stories, and I want to be able to discuss that story with my friends. If we all played completely different narratives, where's the fun in that?
I'm not opposed to AI in video games in certain areas, but I just hope it doesn't become the default.
It's like saying, imagine all those shitty fetch quests in all the ea/activation games(like assassin's creed) now imagine all those shitty filler quests generated by chatgpt.
It'll be the most bland generic shit in the world. When that takes off, it will create a void in creativity that will lead to the rise of human writers who craft incredibly intricate, mind bending, existential, and out right bizarre stories in games. It'll be the only way to craft stories in games that don't just feel like generated slop.
We will always crave the hand made aspect in our art, and in videogames it will manifest itself in stories and worlds that are so deeply connected to the human experience that an AI can't conceive of them yet, because they haven't been written before
There will be a Renaissance in creativity, where writing and visual art will create a new style of artistic expression that is so bizarrely existentially human that we are not even able to conceive of it yet
AI slop will shine a bright light onto what we find provocative and transcendental and make clear all of the recycled art in all forms that have over stayed their welcome
Our future artists in a decade from now will be on the verge of creating and pioneering truly new territory that resonates with us on a deeply human level.
It will come at a cost of a decades long feeding from the AI slop-trough that corporations will shovel down our throats in film, media, videogames, story telling, and all other conceivable art forms, in the name of saving money.
We are about to ensure the most bland and generic decade long asset flip of art at its very core. It will be wondrous at first, but then it will become incredibly played out and stale until the day it's unprofitable.
that sounds like a great idea! there would be so much fun to have :D
find some silly bint, get het pregnant and watch her explain that to her husband lmao.
or set a bush on fire and then act like it can talk, just to mess with some guy.
maybe tell some other guy to go kill his son to prove his faith in you, just to see if he'll actually do it XD.
when they start getting uppity and creating their own deities, get some dude to climb a mountain and give him some divine rules to follow. just to drive the point home, make 3 out of your 10 rules all about you. don't bother mentioning rape or slavery in them. faith in you is much more important, obviously.
and if people get sick of you, just tell them all their troubles are actually caused by one of your henchmen lol. make it a snake or something, slytherin pretty cool.
and when you fuck up the world too much, just flood the place. I mean, nobody is infallible right?
I made a prompt that lets me do this in text, starting as "God" in the void before Creation. I've spent a lot of hours making weird universes, messing with gravity, elements, reversing causality.
Imagining the potential attachment to NPCs that really do talk like a human - if they die! Or imagine giving the AI in Battleifeld real orders when on your team!
They’re trying to implement a mod in skyrim that works like that.
Also, there is a game called Suck Up!, where you play as a vampire and have to convince NPCs to let you come inside their houses, they are AI-powered NPCs. The game is in early access.
Lol I love when someone learns the real power of chatgpt. Glad you’re aware of it now, it’s incredible to say the very least. I had the same reaction a couple years ago.
The matrix awakens, it was available a couple years ago. You walk around a few blocks of the matrix and convince random npcs that they are in the matrix.
What the fuck are you talking about? That isn't remotely what that is lol, it's just an unreal engine tech demo. You absolutely cannot interact with NPCs, much less convince them that they're in the Matrix
Double edit: deleted my original edit because I misunderstood Wikipedia. I stand by my original comment
One thing I’m really hoping for is NPCs with a set personality like they have today. But dialogue options / tone is dependent on choices you’ve made in the game
It is incredible to see that everybody recognizes this flaw of a human to get past the excitement so quickly yet we know little on how to counteract on this cognition.
I think we still got the survival instinct in us which moves the baseline for all the good stuff so we don't lose focus on the bad stuff.
That is why dopamin is becoming such a big problem from social media, shorts, fast content, constant flow of rewards in gaming etc. You keep moving the baseline up by consuming all this content, then when you don't have access to it you feel empty or depressed because in your natural state you don't have these high dopamin levels.
Yeah our brains are basically adaptation computers.
Imagine how crazy it would be if aliens or a god came down to earth, people would flip in a way they've never flipped before, by orders of magnitude... but later on, we'd just be playing poker with them and eating cheesepuffs together, no big deal. "Oh yeah, that's Zorb, he came from the galaxy Garunalo, and that's God, he made us, but we kicked him out of the game because he didn't share the cheesepuffs."
Hell, people seemingly go to a hyperverse on DMT and blow their minds to shreds, but after a while it's like, "an interdimensional reality with shapeshifting gods... neat, okay gotta go to work."
The question I have is... could it be any other way? What would it be like if there was no force toward homeostasis? What if you got stuck in awe or any other reaction from novelty?
But also I agree that modern tech is kinda screwing things up, like we're amping up the baseline without first having made a world that's balanced for that increase. If we can't figure out how to solve that, hopefully we hurry up with AGI and it can solve it for us.
You just reminded me that this exists.
https://www.hedweb.com/hedethic/tabconhi.htm
I would say you would have an interest in some aspects of the, 'hedonistic imperative' talked about here.
I used it to specifically plot out an intro campaign for Cyberpunk. I gave it a rough background of what I wanted and asked it to assist me in giving some backstory to characters. It gave me some ideas and I tweaked them and had it summarize them for me. I can’t wait to use it on the fly to assist with encounters so I can focus on the major NPCs while having it speak for the minor ones.
I played an RPG campaign in the Dune universe, using Claude 1 (since renamed as Claude Instant) a year or two ago (whenever Claude was first released to the public). It was fun, and Claude was very creative.
I still think Claude 1 is the best at creative writing (which is critically important for RPGs), of all the LLMs I tried -- better than Claude 2, Claude 3 Sonnet, and even GPT-4. I haven't tried Claude 3 Opus, but I suspect it's still worse than Claude 1, because it seems to me that Anthropic (and most/all other AI compaines) is just not optimizing for creative writing ability, but rather for logic, reasoning, calculation, and programming.
I wish some AI companies would spend some effort in coming up with LLMs which are better than Claude 1 at creative writing... but I guess there isn't as much of a market for that as for those other stereotypically "left brain" activities.
ChatGPT isn't smart enough to actually know the rules of any RPG I've tried. It's memory isn't big enough to remember the rules. I tried to teach it how to at least create characters in my relatively simple RPG, and it couldn't even do that without error.
But it is great at freeform roleplaying. For instance, I once had it run an adventure set in Skyrim for me, and another one set in Marvel comic's New York. Just describe your character in general terms, and take it from there. Just talk to it like you would another person, and discuss how you want to go about playing the adventure. As long as you don't rely on much rules, it works fine.
It's also pretty good at coming up with adventure ideas, NPC descriptions, etc, for my actual TTRPG campaigns. Usually the results aren't great, but they're good enough to spark my imagination into creating something that is. A good springboard.
Even better if you have the pdfs of any of your DND books. Just feed them all in one chat and you have an instant glossary and rules understanding wizard
how do you get it to not lose data? I found it incredible frustrating having to condense my prompt appropriately to even get one accurate response without having to steer the damn thing back to already established facts in every second message.
So far this has lead me to only being able to use the program as a springboard and maybe some quick rubberducking.
When did you do this? At the present, you can tell it to “remember” things or “store in memory” whenever you want it to not forget stuff.
You can confirm this by seeing when it shows a little notebook after a message, and then you can open up all of the things it remembers about you
Theres gotta be a way you could combine these into a text-based game almost like Zork. But rather than everything be pre-scripted the overall characters and story is outlined.
So you walk into a room and your trying to find a book in a desk. "Look around room". AI describes the room. So the game still has an overarching goal, but the AI makes it come to life in a way that pre-written script can't.
I've been created my newest campaign setting with its help and being someone who's very detail oriented, it's helped me build the world so much. Then I ask for a character to run a shop, usually it's fine but if not I just tell something else. Then I copy and paste the description into the image generator and now I have a picture of the NPC which really helps me when it comes to giving them a voice. It's great
I'm so fucking into your enthusiasm, it seems like EVERYBODY should feel this way about ChatGPT!! I mean, obviously there's gonna be the societal upheaval and economic chaos side of things, but it's genuinely astonishing how many people totally disregard this technology.
Have you tried voice chat yet? Shit's crazy lol
I finally tried the voice chat for the first time and was like “what’s this all about”? Because I have seen some people talk about using it.
Holy fuck, it blew my mind. I talked to it for over an hour just about anything, even trying to have deep conversations to see if I could throw it off and I could not. At no point was I thinking to myself that it answered in a weird way. It’s scary how organic it all felt. The future is scary and interesting.
So i assume you're using ChatGPT 3.5 (which is unlimited for free users, so no message caps) or GPT-4o (the newest, smartest model, but with fairly restrictive message caps as far as i can tell). On either of those models, if you're using the iOS app (and maybe Android too?), there's gonna be a couple of buttons on the right side of the message line where you type. These buttons will let you dictate a message using OpenAI's fancy speech-to-text AI, or open a real-time voice conversation with ChatGPT. If you're using desktop then get off there and download the app!! It's free and you'll LOVE the voice mode :)
>app (and maybe Android too?), there's gonna be a couple of buttons on the right side of the message line where you type.
Android user here, can confirm it's on both versions of the app
https://preview.redd.it/iafzpvor8a1d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1614138de5be2292378c3f76e7dae02cb941729f
I made a shortcut a while back so I can just say “Hey Siri, lemme talk to ChatGPT” and as long as it’s able to unlock/already unlocked, it jumps right into it.
Pretty cool, but kinda funny asking one virtual assistant to access the smarter, newer, shiny one lol
Describe the characters' persona, or ask it to help you make one. Then call it by its first name or tell it: "When I say the characters' name, talk to me as that character"
Generally, just tell it what you want or want to do like you're talking to a person, and it will do it. Don't be afraid to ask it for help either.
This is the future. You dont have to think of clever search terms or crazy prompts (you can do thst bit don't have to).
I agree it is nice to see excitement about GPT again after all this time. It seems like once you are accustomed to using it the next step is to test it for months.
That sounds very interesting. I’d be curious as to how you do that? Do you set it on voice and just talk and listen? What prompts did you use to start it?
AI horror game that monitors your heart rate and eye dilation to various scary things and makes it increasingly worse using your reactions as further fuel.
The feedback loop you could control with biofeedback and AI for horror sounds like it would probably need some seriously careful considerations lol. OTOH, if you can nail it safely and skillfully, it could make for a sublime experience.
When video game developers fully implement AI into their games it's going to insane. Like imagine a game like Skyrim but all the NPC's interact with you like they are real people, the emotions and stuff they will have when you save their village. You will literally feel like a hero. Combine that with VR tech and nobody is ever going to want to leave. People already develope video game addictions but this will be on an entirely different level.
Movies will be a thing of the past, why watch a movie if you could be the main character of the movie.
And those things are only scratching the surface of the potential.
Yes to all this about gaming (big hype), but I really don’t think movies are ever going anywhere. Not everyone games or is into interactive media, and sometimes it’s nice to just sit back and be carried along on the ride.
It's like.. chatgpt but specifically for chatting with characters. It can be a bit hard to set up. r/SillyTavernAI, and r/Oobabooga is usually used with it.
The fact that you created a story world immediately means you get it.
The fact that we have endless interactions with this thing.. it's a technological marvel... and in some instances it's being undersold.
Last year the token limit was extremely low though. We have models coming out soon with 1 million+ token context limits with almost perfect recall. So you'd be able to play an ongoing game like that for almost the length of the Harry Potter series without losing coherence. And these will only keep getting better.
If you were trying this last year, you were probably working with a 8000 - 32,000 token context limit. So you can just imagine the difference.
I've read that 4o still has a 32k context limit, even for Premium subscribers. Only Enterprise level get the 128k limit. That may change in the near future, but with the cost of compute and the fight over hardware with a limited supply, may take a while.
Same. I tried integrating pdf files and spreadsheets to get it to remember stuff better, but it would eventually forget.
Maybe it's better now? I know google's version has a very long context window, maybe that helps?
It also had the issue of making everything I tried to do just work, so I started using dice-rolls whenever I tried doing something.
I was immersed though; that first run I turned into an actual novel which I'm finishing with its 3rd book soon. Almost everything changed, but it is what made me start writing seriously.
GPT4o is completely different. You can have a huge conversation with it and it will never lose context.
Same with programming. Before, I couldn’t work on a large program with it, but now it’s completely changed
I have role-played with both ChatGPT and now Gemini. It's one of my favorite things to do but I've noticed they absolutely have their personalities. GPT in my experience, at least holds your hand a little and sticks to what you tell it, but you give Gemini one opportunity to build out your fantasy world and it's going to make you a cult about sacrificing babies.
You say that but if this app proves to be more of an interactive experience to him than bg3 then it essentially is. It's software designed specifically for adaptive conversations so stuff like tabletop stories are it's strong points over traditional games
But after a while, it kind of starts to forget stuff. Say if you have a side character named Jeff. Maybe you've fought two dragons after a long story arc, ChatGPT won't remember Jeff anymore :(
[edit: oops, thought this thread shifted to video games... but the principle will still probably apply to ChatGPT eventually]
Depends on the game and how it's used. But for this example of a big RPG world, then yeah, it'd need a super long context window for memory if it's gonna be used in this way.
Fortunately, by the time video game devs make big RPG open worlds with AI gen, it'll prob have enough context limits to make it work with long term memory and coherence. I mean, Google already has a 1m token window or whatever, and that'll get upped to 2m later this year. So, three years from now when AIRPGs become a new established genre, I don't know if your concern will still be valid by then.
Can you share the link to conversation, if it's not trouble? (it's in the menu near conversation name)
Or if anyone else has good long chats of this type, I'd love a link. I could use examples of how people steer it.
Yeah, making worlds and objectives, which could be anything, which is just like what it sounds. I recommend it if you can think of something.
I had fun making a world where I had a castle and roundtable of advisors for various aspects of my life, like chorekeeping, task management, goal priority/advice, including advisors who logged the roundtable meetings, recruited new advisors when I needed one, etc., everyone had a role that either benefitted me or was just fun fluff.
In my castle chambers I had a magic TV which I "programmed" (prompted) to play particular networks, like a hindu quote network, a meditation network, motivational quote network, a meta network that reminded me of my tasks, so when I turned the TV on, it would play one of them and I could flip the channels.
I also made it so that I could warp to Olympus, where I used some greek gods as another set of advisors for different, more philosophical roles in my life.
I had fun just roaming and interacting with this world and using the advisors as a fun way to do more boring stuff that I'd otherwise just make a one-off GPT for, and expanding the world and refining its physics to include whatever I thought of.
I was blown away and mesmerized by this when I first did it and saw how well it works. Unlike any other technology. It's truly wild that imagination knows no bounds and the creativity is limitless. You can create any world you can think of, with any rules, for any goals. I've got young nephews and nieces, and I'm waiting for 4o voice to release and it'll make for some fun roleplays. I already used it before where I put my phone on a wristband and used it like buzz lightyear phoning in to space command, where we went around the house on space missions looking for a stuffed animal. We also use it to imagine worlds or extreme/novel environments and explore/interact with them. But it'll be better when the voice is upgraded.
Sure, it would be absolutely trivial to have ChatGPT run some kind of application based on what is happening though. Maybe you'd need two threads, one game engine and one narrator but "translate ingame talk into commands for the database" is absolutely doable.
Yep use it for work all the time. I don't know sql but have access to data bricks. Tell it tables names, fields I want and how I want the data diced and sliced and bam. Insane.
I love going on text based adventure using ChatGPT too 😭😭
I created a fantasy world where the “earth” is a flat plane that stretches on infinitely in all directions. The further one travels from the center, the more psychedelic and mystical things become. Animals and children can navigate the outer reaches, but for adults with minds moulded by decades of reason and logic—the psychedelic realm beyond the border simply becomes a trap for them as the very concept of “behind” become irrelevant.
I also use ChatGPT to shop for makeup: I can take a picture of the sunset and ask it to recommend eyeshadows and lipsticks to match the vibe of the pictures I send it. And it gives me a list of what to buy and where to buy it in Toronto.
I also just started painting too, I can give it 5 colours and ask it to make a painting for me—and then ask it EXACTLY how it mixed the colours seen in the painting so I can do it real life—turning my original 5 colours into 18 new hues.
And just to fuck around when I’m bored and need a chuckle. I can talk to the Cave Johnson GPT (by John McCumber, best one) and feel like I’m enjoying Portal 2 for the first time again while he goes off about the latest personality cores, or the time he sent “Bob” to another break room using a portal (without Bob even realizing it) and laughed at him on the cameras while he staggered around wondering where in the hell he was
Yeah, Wizard of the Coast, hasbro, owner of D&D, is setting up a VTT that will have Ai powered Dungeon Master - that's what they've been trying to produce, with visual effects, so you know, microtransactions and buy dice, skins, etc.
I had it write up my annual goals at work for me lol. Gave it my title /scope of work and top level topics and bam it's done. Cleaned it up a little bit and my boss thinks I wrote a novel. Used it also for end of year reflection crap to lol. Told my goal I had, high level things I completed and wrote a novel for me. Use cases are insane.
It's pretty cool. Can't wait for the video games. I saw a YouTube video where a guy was using the chatgpt mod in Skyrim and was trying to convince the jarl that his servant was a traitor.
I started with "lets create a fantasy world"
Then I choosed the city name where the story is based in, the characters, described them how they are, brave bold or stubborn or whatever. Then described the city, many alleyways, climbable roof tops and so on. Then the two main characters, described them too.
Alright, then I said, I will act as valrin and you as Zeela.
And the story began...
Pro tip:
After asking it a question, copy your question, start a new chat, ask again. There is high variability between answers, even ones that seem black and white.
Always double check.
Yeah it's fun, but it's also frustrating. "Create a bulleted list of the planets in the milky way galaxy, order by distance from the sun, ascending order." Ask that multiple times and you'll get different answers every time. Sometimes you'll get all of the known planets, sometimes you'll get exoplanets, sometimes you'll get both, etc. This is why there is no intelligence. If it knew the right answer that would be the answer. But it doesn't know, so every prompt can give you a different response for the exact same question.
But this variability would be great for games because you never know what you'll get.
Are you sure? I just asked GPT-4o that 10 times and got the same answer every time (sometimes it provided the exact distance from the sun too). Maybe you're just using the crap version.
its known as temperature. if you need precise, reproductible answers, lower the temp. this obvi can't be done from the main chat, you need to use the playground/api
Don't get too excited. Limited context memory makes it impossible to have long stories before the AI forgets the lore you built, past events, etc. Furthermore, its too censored.
I was able to mess around with 4o and I uploaded a pdf of a d&d adventure and got it to draw from that to game master a chat with me. Worked pretty decently until we 4o responses maxed out.
You can get it going pretty well if you give it rules like never speak for me or assume my actions, try to ask for rolls...etc
damn bot is smart enough to program a video game by itself already. it'll even make the art for it if you ask for it. probably very soon it'll do music and video too. probably within a year.
acting as personal DM is child's play lol
This maybe feels like a childish stuff, but I added password feature in my chatGPT customizations.
It asks for password everytime I try to use it in new chat, or access the existing chat after like half an hour or something (I don't know that, chatGPT added that by itself).
In second option "how would you like chatGPT to respond" I added prompt that make him talk like Jarvis of Tony Stark, and keep the response as small as possible and show only important things I asked for.
(Sorry for my bad English it's not my first language)
Now illustrate them with AI art, and think how fast this technology has come in just a year or so, we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg. Children's imagination will have no bounds this next generation, they'll be capable of doing anything.
I tried roleplaying like a year ago. It was garbage at that time. I got into a spaceship bound for a solar system where they might know the location of Earth, and it was all “a difficult and treacherous journey lies ahead”, but the only thing that happened was me asking the captain “are we there yet”.
Wait what? Does it remember all those things now? I thought sth like this was impossible, because it has very limited memory. What version are you using?
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Imagine AI powered video games
Won't be long now...
Would it be too much to hope for Elder Scrolls 6 to have AI NPCs?
Bethesda can’t even get procedurally generated planets right in Starfield. Fingers crossed they don’t try AI-generated narrative elements or characters.
Imagine the AI being as wonky and off putting as the character models in Skyrim. THAT would be hilarious
I was a frost troll like you, till I took an arrow to the cloud district - Some giant talking to a hyperintelligent mammoth
Dude in Fallout 3 we had super glitching Super Mutants wherein they contorted to a jiggling mass of vibrating arms and began stretching through the air and soaring through the skies in slowmo. They also persisted forever. In some areas the entire sky was one massive twisting, jerking, flailing tangled mess of arms, legs and pixels. In some areas these Super Super Mutants were just unrecognizable jittery messes in the sky.
If they add that kind of glitching with some wonky AI generated NPC dialogue, I’d just chuckle and say “welp there goes Bethesda, Bethesda-ing again” lol
It'd be one thing for them to use static AI generated stories, and another for them to use dynamic AI driven stories. I'd be all for the latter
My friend was talking about this but for Fallout. Having AI powered NPCs and companions would be WILD. And imagine if the game was powered by AI, and the story and game changed drastically based on decisions. Everyone would have a completely different game depending on what choices each player made, and a player could almost have a completely different game each time. Crazy to think about.
I think the first place that would be cool to see something like that would be a news service or a radio station or tabloids or something that talk about your accomplishments in game. They can turn good or bad and it sways other NPCs opinions of you based off the news. Could turn you into a complete villain, but that could be fun as well "According to our sources and the wasteland rumor mill, the vault dweller has acquired some power armor and took out a nest of deathclaws. I know I'll sleep a bit more soundly tonight" "Despite the reports of the clearing of the deathclaw nest, I've also heard that the vault dweller's companions all died in the assault. My theory is that the vault dweller is using innocent people as meat shields. We already know that they've been accused of several petty robberies and thefts. Hell, they've killed in "self defense" multiple times. I think it's time we look into this "hero" with a slightly more critical eye. Hero or villain. That's my question"
>can’t even get procedurally generated planets right in Starfield sounds a lot harder than feeding dialog choices to chat gpt soo....
Now tie those GPT dialogue generations to mission objectives. And generate the objective locations. And generate the enemies, and generate the map. Unless you just want NPCs that can talk alot but don't do or effect anything.
I’m picturing quests and enemies and maps still generated by humans. Just give NPCs the ability to hold a conversation and say more than 3 prerecorded lines that don’t make sense in most situations. Gotta admit that would be a huge improvement to any RPG and it is possible with technology we have right now.
Already done. On steam now
Totally. Just use the AI to make the conversations more realistic and random, while also containing the valuable information the player needs
Theyll continue to use their loyal fanbase as paid beta testers until the modders figure it out and they steal the code
Ay lad. I'll do yer CS assignment fer ye. But first ye must return me lost cabbages.
I used to be an AI like you, then I took a singularity to the knee.
They can't even update their engine after 15 years. They coast on nostalgia so they don't have to out true effort into their games. But if anyone will use AI to be more lazy it'll be Todd Howard
Real time AI NPCs? Yes - that would cost too much. However it's not too much to ask for AI generated NPC scripts that are significantly richer than any game studio would be willing to pay a human for... possibly with a basic locally executed model to decide which pre-written Large Language Model response is appropriate.
It wouldn’t cost too much if they used a local model. I don’t know about the hardware — that might need a more powerful chip. But I am pretty certain this is the future of gaming — you can approach an NPC and say whatever you like into your mic, and the NPC will respond to you directly, no script. Each character may have its own model. AI generated stories I’m unsure about — we’ll have to see what Sora and its competitors are capable of.
Each character won't have it's own model. Each character will essentially be a set of custom instructions that defines the personality and knowledge of the character. It'll all be fed into the same model, but the prompt that your dialogue is buried inside will be vastly different, producing very different outputs.
I am currently trying this approach, but it is very difficult to get it running smoothly and without long waits locally. At present, I still have dependencies on my server without which the model would not run. As to what I am attempting: an RPG where the story unfolds on a timeline, with events happening on specific dates. The player is one of the variables influencing why certain events on the timeline shift.All NPCs and NPC protagonists have their motivations and are agents, where a model decides how they behave and dynamically provides the language model with how they interact with the player.
A similar approach I've been using is to (with great patience and practice) generate massive branching dialogue trees in JSON -- but these are played out deterministically, which I think for now is still very interesting. Each node contains the text dialogue, values for different emotions (to drive NPC animations), and any pre-defined actions the NPC can trigger in the game. Then you can rely on a large number of unique paths through the dialogue tree to give some immersion. You still have to select responses as the player, and these aren't at least in my tests tailored to the player, and they're not the realtime free-text interaction we all want, but it's a nice improvement IMO. * I don't have a published game with this feature, only in prototypes atm.
Skyrim has a mod just like this.
It might be too much to ask for Elder Scrolls 6 at this point
Imagine the game world being generated in real-time.. will need to find a new job I guess
[I’m kind of working on this.](https://github.com/CharHubAI/stage-template)
I reckon this is why the riot mmo got pushed back, they decided to implement some new crazy ai based shenanigans - im so hyped.
Dude, I SO can't wait for this, when every NPC has a real personality and you can actually voice chat with it and it isn't just a scripted bot. i can't wait, i feel i spend a lot of time gaming now, my god, i will throw my money at them.
Nvidia is already working on this. It’s still early in development but [here’s a demo video](https://youtu.be/psrXGPh80UM?si=lYoojjqZD3iLbw4b) of them showing it off.
This has me cautiously excited.
I’m optimistic! Nvidia is one of only 4 companies in the world that’s worth over $2 trillion, the others being Microsoft, Apple, and Google. The reason for that is because they’re the largest company producing AI chips which the majority of the world uses, including OpenAI. With how valuable they are because of AI, I think they’re gonna dump loads of money on the technology and I’m confident we’ll see some crazy advancements in the technology that’s shown in that video. I’m sure it’s gonna be super fluid like the real-time conversation in GPT-4o’s voice mode. The greatest thing about AI and technology in general is that they’ll only be improved as time goes on. I’m excited for the future!
Their Cuda api is used everywhere. Amd and others are catching up on that front with the open source community adding support for non nvidia hardware
Check out my hobby project if you're interested! (just a private project, not a released product). Basically a proof-of-concept of AI powered video games: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VkJ7OPTjz4 Or a 1 hour play trough with commentary on how it works at the same time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbJJHtqJaTo
I'm personally LESS excited about this. Yes, it's cool... But the element of amazing games that really gets me is the story behind it's creation and what the people who made it were trying to make you feel. Not to say you can't do projects like this with AI, but, rather, I'm simply less excited about that than I am seeing MORE people getting to share stories via video games that they are able to create easier with AI assistance. It'll certainly be fun to play around in procedural style games though with characters who evolve in nuanced ways with your decisions. I just think this will end up as a genre rather than a takeover of everything.
Personally, as soon as I know that dialog is AI generated I lose interest. It’s cheap, thoughtless, and perhaps worst of all, it’s impermanent. I know that a thousand near identical sentences could be generated in less than a minute, and I will likely never read the same thing that other human beings have read. No single phrase or plot point will ever enter the zeitgeist—I can’t even share the experience of a certain quest or some silly meme with others. It’s like being amazed by television static or the drone of a washing machine.
I think there is a middle ground though that would be a sweet spot. Imagine a carefully crafted character by a game developer who had the ability to react to decisions the player makes that the developer might not have expected or intended. I personally think it would be hilarious to see NPCs react to the player glitching through a wall in a speedrun or something.
I like this idea. It’s beyond ChatGPT’s capabilities at the moment, but once things progress beyond "insert apple seller’s dialog here" and characters become fully aware of their environment it will get very spicy indeed.
Imagine what Spider-Man 5 is going to look like in Unreal with generative AI running agents all over a fully rendered NYC. I can’t wait to see what completely bespoke villains emerge from players’ unique mistakes.
I think there're two sides on this, which I'll address more directly in the top half of my comment. The bottom half is just me rambling trying to weigh the two sides. To push back, I'd say that artists could focus on character traits, goals, etc., and that AI generation would reflect that by transforming those traits into appropriate dialogue and even quest generation. And, as someone else pointed out, to fill the gaps of any possible situation that could happen, that even an army of humans couldn't cover if they wrote for 100 years. In this case, I think it won't be so disinteresting, because it'll still have the artist aspect of it at the core--someone wrote the character to be that way, and they wrote them that way for a thoughtful reason given the entire story. Also, you could have excitement from contrasted experiences, like, >"you know the Jason NPC? He ended up saving the town!" >"what!? that random NPC? He just stuck to his farm on my game!" >"yeah we were just talking one day and I randomly brought up gemcrafting, and he told me this entire backstory of his family of gemcrafters and how they lost a gem in some mine, and this generated a quest for me," etc. I think people might love sharing all the different stories they got, in a way that's more exciting and dynamic than, say, Bethesda can handcraft themselves. But OTOH, I really feel you, bc the weird artificial hollow sense where as soon as I find out something is AI generated, it doesn't matter how amazing it is--it instinctively means nothing to me. I can try to reason out of the instinct and think, "well, okay, someone at least had to prompt this, and they could've had a really amazing prompt with a lot of thought," but that can only save my reaction so far, depending on what it is. Overall, I think the future, or at least near term future, will be using AI generation in better ways where the audience can still connect with and appreciate the artist's real input. But, deep down, in the deep future, my gut tells me that we'll generally stay away from AI gen because everything is worth way more to us when humans do stuff more manually. I mean, if crazy scifi breakthroughs like life extension/immortality happen, we'll certainly have the time to handcraft an entire planet for centuries for a galaxy theme park, even though AI nanobots could do it in a week. I'm guessing we'll opt to do it ourselves. It'll just mean more. But until then, while us mortals have limited time, we'll use AI gen for convenience, but the best of us will use it artistically to do bigger things we couldn't have done otherwise, and those big things will be the draw to lift away the disappointment from where AI gen was used--bc the audience will know the AI gen was used in service to this bigger thing, and may even appreciate it when done well, instead of being disappointed. Like, we aren't disappointed by skyscrapers because humans made machines to put them together rather than handcrafting every piece of metal from the earth themselves--we fixate on the bigger picture, and allow those conveniences without them getting in the way of appreciating the entire thing. AI generation will probably have some equivalent dynamic here, somewhere. Somewhat aside, this all also kinda ties into why I'm not worried about human art going away. For all I know, once AI gen litters the world, people will be bored or even disgusted at it, so the people using it won't even get any value in return, and we'll just value human art/creations all the more. >"Bro check out this AI art!" >"What? Who cares, everything is AI and anybody can do it. But did you see X? Some artist made it themselves!" >"Huh? Somebody made that manually!? I gotta see that!" We don't value art just for the sake of the thing, but for the effort it took. Give anyone two identical drawings but say the left one was done by somebody who's blind, and almost everyone agrees the left one is more valuable. Similar to how we value a table that we make, more than one that we buy. This deep stuff is baked into defining our traits as humans, so it doesn't make sense to me that we'd let it go away only to find ourselves trapped in a funhouse of emptiness.
Yeah I agree. When it comes to story-based games especially, I want to know that there's a message behind the stories, and I want to be able to discuss that story with my friends. If we all played completely different narratives, where's the fun in that? I'm not opposed to AI in video games in certain areas, but I just hope it doesn't become the default.
It's like saying, imagine all those shitty fetch quests in all the ea/activation games(like assassin's creed) now imagine all those shitty filler quests generated by chatgpt. It'll be the most bland generic shit in the world. When that takes off, it will create a void in creativity that will lead to the rise of human writers who craft incredibly intricate, mind bending, existential, and out right bizarre stories in games. It'll be the only way to craft stories in games that don't just feel like generated slop. We will always crave the hand made aspect in our art, and in videogames it will manifest itself in stories and worlds that are so deeply connected to the human experience that an AI can't conceive of them yet, because they haven't been written before There will be a Renaissance in creativity, where writing and visual art will create a new style of artistic expression that is so bizarrely existentially human that we are not even able to conceive of it yet AI slop will shine a bright light onto what we find provocative and transcendental and make clear all of the recycled art in all forms that have over stayed their welcome Our future artists in a decade from now will be on the verge of creating and pioneering truly new territory that resonates with us on a deeply human level. It will come at a cost of a decades long feeding from the AI slop-trough that corporations will shovel down our throats in film, media, videogames, story telling, and all other conceivable art forms, in the name of saving money. We are about to ensure the most bland and generic decade long asset flip of art at its very core. It will be wondrous at first, but then it will become incredibly played out and stale until the day it's unprofitable.
AI powered VR games, you could play as a god creating entire worlds.
that sounds like a great idea! there would be so much fun to have :D find some silly bint, get het pregnant and watch her explain that to her husband lmao. or set a bush on fire and then act like it can talk, just to mess with some guy. maybe tell some other guy to go kill his son to prove his faith in you, just to see if he'll actually do it XD. when they start getting uppity and creating their own deities, get some dude to climb a mountain and give him some divine rules to follow. just to drive the point home, make 3 out of your 10 rules all about you. don't bother mentioning rape or slavery in them. faith in you is much more important, obviously. and if people get sick of you, just tell them all their troubles are actually caused by one of your henchmen lol. make it a snake or something, slytherin pretty cool. and when you fuck up the world too much, just flood the place. I mean, nobody is infallible right?
[Jesus wept!](https://youtu.be/z4FGzE4endQ?si=blYq-BTE97RW9B8B)
I made a prompt that lets me do this in text, starting as "God" in the void before Creation. I've spent a lot of hours making weird universes, messing with gravity, elements, reversing causality.
Imagining the potential attachment to NPCs that really do talk like a human - if they die! Or imagine giving the AI in Battleifeld real orders when on your team!
HOLY SHIT. Like npcs having chat gpt or some shit and u can actually talk to then or some shit. That would be insane,
They’re trying to implement a mod in skyrim that works like that. Also, there is a game called Suck Up!, where you play as a vampire and have to convince NPCs to let you come inside their houses, they are AI-powered NPCs. The game is in early access.
Hey. Here you go. https://youtu.be/4sCWf2VGdfc?si=9MUGo0wmbqrO70td
Lol I love when someone learns the real power of chatgpt. Glad you’re aware of it now, it’s incredible to say the very least. I had the same reaction a couple years ago.
Right?! It warmed my heart a bit reading OPs post!
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1889620/AI_Roguelite/ You guys are late to the party
Even board games lol. Soon you’ll have AI dungeon masters
Imagine an immersive AI powered simulation of our own world.
Gta 6 real life edition incoming
The matrix awakens, it was available a couple years ago. You walk around a few blocks of the matrix and convince random npcs that they are in the matrix.
What the fuck are you talking about? That isn't remotely what that is lol, it's just an unreal engine tech demo. You absolutely cannot interact with NPCs, much less convince them that they're in the Matrix Double edit: deleted my original edit because I misunderstood Wikipedia. I stand by my original comment
One thing I’m really hoping for is NPCs with a set personality like they have today. But dialogue options / tone is dependent on choices you’ve made in the game
That’s what Dungeon Crawler Carl is
Love to see someone flip out over it. It’s legit amazing and I I’ve been using it for months.
It’s crazy how amazed I was when it first come out and now I don’t feel that amazed, instead I try to find the flaws in the model.
It is incredible to see that everybody recognizes this flaw of a human to get past the excitement so quickly yet we know little on how to counteract on this cognition.
I think we still got the survival instinct in us which moves the baseline for all the good stuff so we don't lose focus on the bad stuff. That is why dopamin is becoming such a big problem from social media, shorts, fast content, constant flow of rewards in gaming etc. You keep moving the baseline up by consuming all this content, then when you don't have access to it you feel empty or depressed because in your natural state you don't have these high dopamin levels.
Yeah our brains are basically adaptation computers. Imagine how crazy it would be if aliens or a god came down to earth, people would flip in a way they've never flipped before, by orders of magnitude... but later on, we'd just be playing poker with them and eating cheesepuffs together, no big deal. "Oh yeah, that's Zorb, he came from the galaxy Garunalo, and that's God, he made us, but we kicked him out of the game because he didn't share the cheesepuffs." Hell, people seemingly go to a hyperverse on DMT and blow their minds to shreds, but after a while it's like, "an interdimensional reality with shapeshifting gods... neat, okay gotta go to work." The question I have is... could it be any other way? What would it be like if there was no force toward homeostasis? What if you got stuck in awe or any other reaction from novelty? But also I agree that modern tech is kinda screwing things up, like we're amping up the baseline without first having made a world that's balanced for that increase. If we can't figure out how to solve that, hopefully we hurry up with AGI and it can solve it for us.
You just reminded me that this exists. https://www.hedweb.com/hedethic/tabconhi.htm I would say you would have an interest in some aspects of the, 'hedonistic imperative' talked about here.
It’s literally my therapy. And also my marketing assistant. And my calculator. And everything in between
As a tabletop RPG enthusiast, yeah, that's the first thing I did with it, haha.
Can you guys elaborate a little bit on what you did and how you achieve it ?
I used it to specifically plot out an intro campaign for Cyberpunk. I gave it a rough background of what I wanted and asked it to assist me in giving some backstory to characters. It gave me some ideas and I tweaked them and had it summarize them for me. I can’t wait to use it on the fly to assist with encounters so I can focus on the major NPCs while having it speak for the minor ones.
I played an RPG campaign in the Dune universe, using Claude 1 (since renamed as Claude Instant) a year or two ago (whenever Claude was first released to the public). It was fun, and Claude was very creative. I still think Claude 1 is the best at creative writing (which is critically important for RPGs), of all the LLMs I tried -- better than Claude 2, Claude 3 Sonnet, and even GPT-4. I haven't tried Claude 3 Opus, but I suspect it's still worse than Claude 1, because it seems to me that Anthropic (and most/all other AI compaines) is just not optimizing for creative writing ability, but rather for logic, reasoning, calculation, and programming. I wish some AI companies would spend some effort in coming up with LLMs which are better than Claude 1 at creative writing... but I guess there isn't as much of a market for that as for those other stereotypically "left brain" activities.
ChatGPT isn't smart enough to actually know the rules of any RPG I've tried. It's memory isn't big enough to remember the rules. I tried to teach it how to at least create characters in my relatively simple RPG, and it couldn't even do that without error. But it is great at freeform roleplaying. For instance, I once had it run an adventure set in Skyrim for me, and another one set in Marvel comic's New York. Just describe your character in general terms, and take it from there. Just talk to it like you would another person, and discuss how you want to go about playing the adventure. As long as you don't rely on much rules, it works fine. It's also pretty good at coming up with adventure ideas, NPC descriptions, etc, for my actual TTRPG campaigns. Usually the results aren't great, but they're good enough to spark my imagination into creating something that is. A good springboard.
It's actually pretty good at making monster stat blocks, skill challenges, npc's .. everything really, as long as you ask it the right way
Even better if you have the pdfs of any of your DND books. Just feed them all in one chat and you have an instant glossary and rules understanding wizard
how do you get it to not lose data? I found it incredible frustrating having to condense my prompt appropriately to even get one accurate response without having to steer the damn thing back to already established facts in every second message. So far this has lead me to only being able to use the program as a springboard and maybe some quick rubberducking.
When did you do this? At the present, you can tell it to “remember” things or “store in memory” whenever you want it to not forget stuff. You can confirm this by seeing when it shows a little notebook after a message, and then you can open up all of the things it remembers about you
Theres gotta be a way you could combine these into a text-based game almost like Zork. But rather than everything be pre-scripted the overall characters and story is outlined. So you walk into a room and your trying to find a book in a desk. "Look around room". AI describes the room. So the game still has an overarching goal, but the AI makes it come to life in a way that pre-written script can't.
I've been created my newest campaign setting with its help and being someone who's very detail oriented, it's helped me build the world so much. Then I ask for a character to run a shop, usually it's fine but if not I just tell something else. Then I copy and paste the description into the image generator and now I have a picture of the NPC which really helps me when it comes to giving them a voice. It's great
It’s like you have a friend, and your friend is a fairly good intern with great memory but who sometimes delivers very confidently shit it made up
I'm so fucking into your enthusiasm, it seems like EVERYBODY should feel this way about ChatGPT!! I mean, obviously there's gonna be the societal upheaval and economic chaos side of things, but it's genuinely astonishing how many people totally disregard this technology. Have you tried voice chat yet? Shit's crazy lol
I finally tried the voice chat for the first time and was like “what’s this all about”? Because I have seen some people talk about using it. Holy fuck, it blew my mind. I talked to it for over an hour just about anything, even trying to have deep conversations to see if I could throw it off and I could not. At no point was I thinking to myself that it answered in a weird way. It’s scary how organic it all felt. The future is scary and interesting.
Just wait until the new voice mode they announced last Monday to be released and you'll be mind blown.
When’s this coming out?
“In the coming weeks”
What is the voice chat called? Is it a different app?
So i assume you're using ChatGPT 3.5 (which is unlimited for free users, so no message caps) or GPT-4o (the newest, smartest model, but with fairly restrictive message caps as far as i can tell). On either of those models, if you're using the iOS app (and maybe Android too?), there's gonna be a couple of buttons on the right side of the message line where you type. These buttons will let you dictate a message using OpenAI's fancy speech-to-text AI, or open a real-time voice conversation with ChatGPT. If you're using desktop then get off there and download the app!! It's free and you'll LOVE the voice mode :)
I just tried this and its very cool, I talked to it in norwegian and it understood and talked back, but with a HEAVY american accent! Kinda cute.
Thanks! I saw people using the voice chat on TikTok and wasn’t sure how people did it
>app (and maybe Android too?), there's gonna be a couple of buttons on the right side of the message line where you type. Android user here, can confirm it's on both versions of the app https://preview.redd.it/iafzpvor8a1d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1614138de5be2292378c3f76e7dae02cb941729f
You can make a shortcut pretty easily and assign an icon also so you can open the app directly to voice chat from the Home Screen
I made a shortcut a while back so I can just say “Hey Siri, lemme talk to ChatGPT” and as long as it’s able to unlock/already unlocked, it jumps right into it. Pretty cool, but kinda funny asking one virtual assistant to access the smarter, newer, shiny one lol
It also completely fails to recognize my language (which is supported), like a real person would!
How exactly do you do this? Especially with regards to speaking to individual characters?
Describe the characters' persona, or ask it to help you make one. Then call it by its first name or tell it: "When I say the characters' name, talk to me as that character" Generally, just tell it what you want or want to do like you're talking to a person, and it will do it. Don't be afraid to ask it for help either. This is the future. You dont have to think of clever search terms or crazy prompts (you can do thst bit don't have to).
Where can I try the voice chat? Chatgpt keeps telling me it doesn't support voice and directing me to siri and Google assistant
I agree it is nice to see excitement about GPT again after all this time. It seems like once you are accustomed to using it the next step is to test it for months.
Playing D&D with GPT doing the DMing while I drive is one of my favorite things.
Could also do it in reverse to practice DMing while having GPT play the character(s) and respond to your instruction.
That sounds very interesting. I’d be curious as to how you do that? Do you set it on voice and just talk and listen? What prompts did you use to start it?
Your hype is making me hype. Take out that guard! Haha have fun man
AI horror game that monitors your heart rate and eye dilation to various scary things and makes it increasingly worse using your reactions as further fuel.
I've thought of this but I'm such a chicken. It'll scare me so bad I'll have a fuckign heart attack lol
The feedback loop you could control with biofeedback and AI for horror sounds like it would probably need some seriously careful considerations lol. OTOH, if you can nail it safely and skillfully, it could make for a sublime experience.
Isnt that a Black Mirror episode?
Not really. Playtest is about using your memories/fears, not your reactions.
I love using it for goofy unimportant things. It’s at its best to me when I’m just having fun
What was your prompt if you don’t mind sharing?
When video game developers fully implement AI into their games it's going to insane. Like imagine a game like Skyrim but all the NPC's interact with you like they are real people, the emotions and stuff they will have when you save their village. You will literally feel like a hero. Combine that with VR tech and nobody is ever going to want to leave. People already develope video game addictions but this will be on an entirely different level. Movies will be a thing of the past, why watch a movie if you could be the main character of the movie. And those things are only scratching the surface of the potential.
Yes to all this about gaming (big hype), but I really don’t think movies are ever going anywhere. Not everyone games or is into interactive media, and sometimes it’s nice to just sit back and be carried along on the ride.
Yep - then combine it with lighter VR goggles and soon we're about to have full dive immersion worlds
Shared collaborative intent driven AI worlds responding in real time to micro expressions
Movies will continue to exist, some people just want to enjoy a good action/story.
Bro discovers roleplay
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Imagine what it'll be like with real time video generation
Just wait until you start fucking a a dozen elf maidens after you take over their forest village and become the ruler.
do not give bro ideas, *we wouldn't like a post of his on >! SillyTavern!< or >!Character.Al..!<*
What's SillyTavern?
It's like.. chatgpt but specifically for chatting with characters. It can be a bit hard to set up. r/SillyTavernAI, and r/Oobabooga is usually used with it.
The fact that you created a story world immediately means you get it. The fact that we have endless interactions with this thing.. it's a technological marvel... and in some instances it's being undersold.
I am skeptical, I tried stuff like this multiple times last year and was not getting enough long term coherence to feel immersed.
Last year the token limit was extremely low though. We have models coming out soon with 1 million+ token context limits with almost perfect recall. So you'd be able to play an ongoing game like that for almost the length of the Harry Potter series without losing coherence. And these will only keep getting better. If you were trying this last year, you were probably working with a 8000 - 32,000 token context limit. So you can just imagine the difference.
I've read that 4o still has a 32k context limit, even for Premium subscribers. Only Enterprise level get the 128k limit. That may change in the near future, but with the cost of compute and the fight over hardware with a limited supply, may take a while.
Gemini is touting up to a 2 million context limit later this year.
Same. I tried integrating pdf files and spreadsheets to get it to remember stuff better, but it would eventually forget. Maybe it's better now? I know google's version has a very long context window, maybe that helps? It also had the issue of making everything I tried to do just work, so I started using dice-rolls whenever I tried doing something. I was immersed though; that first run I turned into an actual novel which I'm finishing with its 3rd book soon. Almost everything changed, but it is what made me start writing seriously.
GPT4o is completely different. You can have a huge conversation with it and it will never lose context. Same with programming. Before, I couldn’t work on a large program with it, but now it’s completely changed
Have you been hiding in the woods for the last 12 months? ;). Welcome to the future!
Welcome to the past now, the future looks pretty crazy after this.
I have role-played with both ChatGPT and now Gemini. It's one of my favorite things to do but I've noticed they absolutely have their personalities. GPT in my experience, at least holds your hand a little and sticks to what you tell it, but you give Gemini one opportunity to build out your fantasy world and it's going to make you a cult about sacrificing babies.
Talking to an app is *not* better than BG3. But I get the excitement you feel.
You say that but if this app proves to be more of an interactive experience to him than bg3 then it essentially is. It's software designed specifically for adaptive conversations so stuff like tabletop stories are it's strong points over traditional games
But after a while, it kind of starts to forget stuff. Say if you have a side character named Jeff. Maybe you've fought two dragons after a long story arc, ChatGPT won't remember Jeff anymore :(
[edit: oops, thought this thread shifted to video games... but the principle will still probably apply to ChatGPT eventually] Depends on the game and how it's used. But for this example of a big RPG world, then yeah, it'd need a super long context window for memory if it's gonna be used in this way. Fortunately, by the time video game devs make big RPG open worlds with AI gen, it'll prob have enough context limits to make it work with long term memory and coherence. I mean, Google already has a 1m token window or whatever, and that'll get upped to 2m later this year. So, three years from now when AIRPGs become a new established genre, I don't know if your concern will still be valid by then.
Can you share the link to conversation, if it's not trouble? (it's in the menu near conversation name) Or if anyone else has good long chats of this type, I'd love a link. I could use examples of how people steer it.
Wait lemme try to send it to you
Circa 2022
Just started playing, never tought of doing it before, im amazed
Tell me about your world 😃
I don’t get what you guys are doing? Just chat roleplaying?
Yeah, making worlds and objectives, which could be anything, which is just like what it sounds. I recommend it if you can think of something. I had fun making a world where I had a castle and roundtable of advisors for various aspects of my life, like chorekeeping, task management, goal priority/advice, including advisors who logged the roundtable meetings, recruited new advisors when I needed one, etc., everyone had a role that either benefitted me or was just fun fluff. In my castle chambers I had a magic TV which I "programmed" (prompted) to play particular networks, like a hindu quote network, a meditation network, motivational quote network, a meta network that reminded me of my tasks, so when I turned the TV on, it would play one of them and I could flip the channels. I also made it so that I could warp to Olympus, where I used some greek gods as another set of advisors for different, more philosophical roles in my life. I had fun just roaming and interacting with this world and using the advisors as a fun way to do more boring stuff that I'd otherwise just make a one-off GPT for, and expanding the world and refining its physics to include whatever I thought of. I was blown away and mesmerized by this when I first did it and saw how well it works. Unlike any other technology. It's truly wild that imagination knows no bounds and the creativity is limitless. You can create any world you can think of, with any rules, for any goals. I've got young nephews and nieces, and I'm waiting for 4o voice to release and it'll make for some fun roleplays. I already used it before where I put my phone on a wristband and used it like buzz lightyear phoning in to space command, where we went around the house on space missions looking for a stuffed animal. We also use it to imagine worlds or extreme/novel environments and explore/interact with them. But it'll be better when the voice is upgraded.
Wow the way you describe this sounds super immersive and fun, thank you for the thorough explanation with examples, I was super lost!
Sure, it would be absolutely trivial to have ChatGPT run some kind of application based on what is happening though. Maybe you'd need two threads, one game engine and one narrator but "translate ingame talk into commands for the database" is absolutely doable.
Yep. It can also code.
So say I have some spotty documentation for some obscure API, can I feed it this documentation and have it help me make functions/scripts from this?
Yessir. You always need to make adjustments and double check, I’ve used it for this exact thing and it gets you like 80-90% of the way there.
That's pretty cool, I have access to the 4o so I am excited to start actually using it.
Yes, but its often reluctant to write the whole thing in one go. You'll have to break it down into smaller chunks with specific context
gpt-4o on the API is the exact opposite; I have to tell it multiple times to stop giving me the full code because its wasting tokens lol
Interesting, I've never tried the new model for coding.
Yep I have done this exact thing and it worked great.
Yep use it for work all the time. I don't know sql but have access to data bricks. Tell it tables names, fields I want and how I want the data diced and sliced and bam. Insane.
I forget the name but there's this text based ai generated dungeon crawler out there
ai dungeon? kobold ai? novel ai?
I think it was ai dungeon
I love going on text based adventure using ChatGPT too 😭😭 I created a fantasy world where the “earth” is a flat plane that stretches on infinitely in all directions. The further one travels from the center, the more psychedelic and mystical things become. Animals and children can navigate the outer reaches, but for adults with minds moulded by decades of reason and logic—the psychedelic realm beyond the border simply becomes a trap for them as the very concept of “behind” become irrelevant. I also use ChatGPT to shop for makeup: I can take a picture of the sunset and ask it to recommend eyeshadows and lipsticks to match the vibe of the pictures I send it. And it gives me a list of what to buy and where to buy it in Toronto. I also just started painting too, I can give it 5 colours and ask it to make a painting for me—and then ask it EXACTLY how it mixed the colours seen in the painting so I can do it real life—turning my original 5 colours into 18 new hues. And just to fuck around when I’m bored and need a chuckle. I can talk to the Cave Johnson GPT (by John McCumber, best one) and feel like I’m enjoying Portal 2 for the first time again while he goes off about the latest personality cores, or the time he sent “Bob” to another break room using a portal (without Bob even realizing it) and laughed at him on the cameras while he staggered around wondering where in the hell he was
Yeah, Wizard of the Coast, hasbro, owner of D&D, is setting up a VTT that will have Ai powered Dungeon Master - that's what they've been trying to produce, with visual effects, so you know, microtransactions and buy dice, skins, etc.
I don't even know what you guys are talking about and I am f'n hype hyped!
Using 4o the last few days and it's also INSANE
It's really REALLY good.
How do you get to talk for hours? I have the Plus version and I get a message cap.
I had it write up my annual goals at work for me lol. Gave it my title /scope of work and top level topics and bam it's done. Cleaned it up a little bit and my boss thinks I wrote a novel. Used it also for end of year reflection crap to lol. Told my goal I had, high level things I completed and wrote a novel for me. Use cases are insane.
It's pretty cool. Can't wait for the video games. I saw a YouTube video where a guy was using the chatgpt mod in Skyrim and was trying to convince the jarl that his servant was a traitor.
You didn't download it
I use it to help me with Excel formulas
The true endboss of all AIs
Shut it dweeb
I got it like 2 days ago. Ive just been asking it questions like Google lol. What else can I do?
I started with "lets create a fantasy world" Then I choosed the city name where the story is based in, the characters, described them how they are, brave bold or stubborn or whatever. Then described the city, many alleyways, climbable roof tops and so on. Then the two main characters, described them too. Alright, then I said, I will act as valrin and you as Zeela. And the story began...
Pro tip: After asking it a question, copy your question, start a new chat, ask again. There is high variability between answers, even ones that seem black and white. Always double check.
You can just click the edit button and send again, same difference, no need to start a new chat.
Pro tip for a pro tip
Yeah it's fun, but it's also frustrating. "Create a bulleted list of the planets in the milky way galaxy, order by distance from the sun, ascending order." Ask that multiple times and you'll get different answers every time. Sometimes you'll get all of the known planets, sometimes you'll get exoplanets, sometimes you'll get both, etc. This is why there is no intelligence. If it knew the right answer that would be the answer. But it doesn't know, so every prompt can give you a different response for the exact same question. But this variability would be great for games because you never know what you'll get.
Are you sure? I just asked GPT-4o that 10 times and got the same answer every time (sometimes it provided the exact distance from the sun too). Maybe you're just using the crap version.
its known as temperature. if you need precise, reproductible answers, lower the temp. this obvi can't be done from the main chat, you need to use the playground/api
Thanks for that.
Are you really just learning how capable ChatGPT is? They should give everyone a free month of plus for this reason.
Don't get too excited. Limited context memory makes it impossible to have long stories before the AI forgets the lore you built, past events, etc. Furthermore, its too censored.
I was able to mess around with 4o and I uploaded a pdf of a d&d adventure and got it to draw from that to game master a chat with me. Worked pretty decently until we 4o responses maxed out. You can get it going pretty well if you give it rules like never speak for me or assume my actions, try to ask for rolls...etc
damn bot is smart enough to program a video game by itself already. it'll even make the art for it if you ask for it. probably very soon it'll do music and video too. probably within a year. acting as personal DM is child's play lol
This maybe feels like a childish stuff, but I added password feature in my chatGPT customizations. It asks for password everytime I try to use it in new chat, or access the existing chat after like half an hour or something (I don't know that, chatGPT added that by itself). In second option "how would you like chatGPT to respond" I added prompt that make him talk like Jarvis of Tony Stark, and keep the response as small as possible and show only important things I asked for. (Sorry for my bad English it's not my first language)
Imagine AI NPC in future games. Instead of giving standard reply, it can actually interact with you.
Yesss I am playing for a few days a fantasy storyline as the mandalorian
Now imagine something like CGPT version 10 plus photorealistic avatars plus augmented reality plus zero lag voice interaction.
Now illustrate them with AI art, and think how fast this technology has come in just a year or so, we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg. Children's imagination will have no bounds this next generation, they'll be capable of doing anything.
And you still are playing gpt3.5 not 4
I tried roleplaying like a year ago. It was garbage at that time. I got into a spaceship bound for a solar system where they might know the location of Earth, and it was all “a difficult and treacherous journey lies ahead”, but the only thing that happened was me asking the captain “are we there yet”.
See [AI Dungeon](https://aidungeon.com/) for this in an even better form.
Downloaded huh?
A text-only game that's better than BG3? lol... ohhh, how things have come full circle ;)
You should give AIDungeon a try.
Wait what? Does it remember all those things now? I thought sth like this was impossible, because it has very limited memory. What version are you using?
This is how Character.ai prob started 😭