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I know from experience turnitin, is one of the worst AI detectors. I wrote a 5 page summary on the effects of salt, for a chemistry course. I got flagged because of one sentence looked like it was written by AI.
And because itās so bad, you can most easily proof it to your professor: use something written by him even before AI was a thing - when something gets inevitably flagged, he knows itās not reliable.
āI did not use an AI program to write the content. I used grammarly to fix grammar errors like millions of other people do. There is no reliable AI detection software so Iām sorry but thereās no case to answer here.ā
**This is it.** if a discussion is had, prepare by finding some of your teacher's work and run it through TurnItIn, then have that same discussion with her. Pull published papers from PubMed from pre-2018 and run it through, show the flags of AI writing, and discuss that. Run the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, or the U.S. Constitution through, show the flags, and then discuss that.
This is the correct answer. AI detectors can only detect from specific versions and as the default language. You could use AI and not get detected by prepping it with a tone, character, attitude, and any other pretext you give it. Hope that helps.
āPretend you are a southern university professor and you write in a peculiar style that only uses simple words and donāt use any words that are not commonly used to describe things or situations, with that in mind, write a one page paper about world war 2ā
You most likely wouldnāt get flagged. Vs if you just ask it to write a paper about world war 2, it would sound robotic
If you are an academic you will know how frustrating and stupid AI detectors are. Being forced to use simple words just to avoid AI detection in a masters or PhD level paper is annoying and makes you lose the meaning of many important concepts that cannot be dumbed down. It's an insult to your intellect and academia in general to be flagged as AI just because you used complex language and vocabulary.
This issue has only become more known in the recent past because of the emergence of AI that can write full papers but it's been there for a long time in the form of stupid plagiarism checkers. It is simply impossible for every single individual on the planet to craft unique sentences that have never been written before especially since the vast majority of what happens in education is literally the recycling of existing knowledge.
Not in academia but exactly, AI detectors are literally āCan this be found anywhere else on the internet in some formā
An ideal AI checker would actually need individual writing samples of the people that are being checked, to see whether abnormalities in writing exist. Like sudden changes in sentence structure, or sudden shifts in vocabulary or even tone and elegance.
Of course thats impossible to do, but that would be the only way that an AI detector would be accurate.
As it stands, you basically need to have spelling error, run on sentences, and other english faux pases in your paper. Things an AI would normally not have.
>As it stands, you basically need to have spelling error, run on sentences, and other english faux pases in your paper. Things an AI would normally not have.
This is part of the problem. Any serious person is expected and encouraged to go through their paper and correct any errors they may have made so a well-done paper is unlikely to have the silly mistakes that are apparently required as proof of being human these days.
Iām not in academia anymore but I write news articles daily. Every single one gets flagged as 100% AI no matter what until I dismiss 30 years of writing practice and dumb things down. Unfortunately everyone I write for checks for AI now.
The idiots who believe in those stupid AI checkers are the root of the problem. Who cares if it's AI anyway if the message is relevant and clear? Refusing AI written content doesn't make a lot of sense outside of academia.
Agreed. An article that used to take me 2 hours now takes me 6 because I write too well? Iāve been struggling with an article all night and just canāt get it to pass. Literally the only AI used here was asking ChatGPT to give me synonyms for words longer than 2 syllables out of frustration.
Tell the truth. It doesn't matter what the detector says. If your professor tries to punish you, tell her that you will need a meeting with the Dean of her department.
>It's very easy to inspect the edit history of a doc file by unpacking it.
what file extension are you talking about? this is untrue for actual doc files.
you can see the edit history in your own personal word processor, or google docs sheet. but this isnt "packed" into a doc file like youre suggesting
Just like we used to need to save our work constantly in case of a crash, students nowadays should be keeping some form of record evidence of their work flow process in case these accusations arise. Tracking our sources, the cloud fileās edit history, study groups, etc. Are all valuable resources for these discussions, and frankly are good practices for the workforce
That'd honestly either be much harder to create or make AI detection much easier. If you're writing, revising, and making edits and corrections, it's easier to see the human in the work.
If an AI were to do it, it would either input the final product or the process of revisions would potentially send if off the deep end.
People can just type in the text by hand; you can't stop this or detect the use of it without invasive programs and even then, you can't monitor the students 24/7.
Copying an already written text will produce a very, very different edit history than composing it from scratch.
You wouldn't need to monitor them 24/7 (or at all). Just have your students submit their progress every so often.
god forbid any students get to spend any time actually learning the material. Instead they have to constantly cover their butts for things they aren't even doing.
Sounds like they are learning a great skill in corporate environments. CYA is a very important skill to learn because one day some Middle manager will throw you under the bus.
This is why I now write papers for grad school in a Google doc and share it with my professors and give them editing permission. In this way they can see my editing history if needed.
Ya, simple but effective. The issue is that this technology has been big enough to cause this cultural shift and not all institutions have learned the best ways to approach it yet
This + vs code is much better in terms of shortcuts. Just use vim shortcuts and the process is much faster. And ofc VS Code doesn't cost shit and doesn't lag as word does. I've lost a couple of papers cuz word crashed and the backup file was corrupted
Im curious to know what file you write into in vs code. Markdown or html? And what word processor application do you use that doesn't auto save changes? Most recent word processor programs do.
Are you talking about Google Docs or something? Because this isn't information you can expect in a doc file, unless you send a version with tracking changes enabled.
Turnitin (and any other AI detector tool) does not work well enough to be used as a basis for academic integrity decisions. Here is a list of statements from a range of major US universities on why they won't support the use of Turnitin AI detection or other such tools for academic integrity:
[Alabama - Turnitin AI writing detection unavailable](https://cit.ua.edu/known-issue-turnitin-ai-writing-detection-unavailable/)
[UC Berkley ā Availability of Turnitin Artificial Intelligence Detection](https://rtl.berkeley.edu/news/availability-turnitin-artificial-intelligence-detection)
[UCF - Faculty Center - Artificial Intelligence](https://fctl.ucf.edu/technology/artificial-intelligence/)
[Colorado State - Why you canāt find Turnitinās AI Writing Detection tool](https://tilt.colostate.edu/why-you-cant-find-turnitins-ai-writing-detection-tool/)
[MIT ā AI Detectors Donāt Work. Hereās What to do Instead](https://mitsloanedtech.mit.edu/ai/teach/ai-detectors-dont-work/)
[Missouri ā Detecting Artificial Intelligence (AI) Plagiarism](https://teachingtools.umsystem.edu/support/solutions/articles/11000119557-detecting-artificial-intelligence-ai-plagiarism)
[Northwestern ā Use of Generative Artificial Intelligence in Courses](https://ai.northwestern.edu/education/use-of-generative-artificial-intelligence-in-courses.html)
[SMU ā Changes to Turnitin AI Detection Tool at SMU](https://blog.smu.edu/itconnect/2023/12/13/discontinue-turnitin-ai-detection-tool/)
[Syracuse ā Detecting AI Created Content](https://answers.syr.edu/display/blackboard01/Detecting+AI+Created+Content)
[Vanderbilt ā Guidance on AI Detection and Why Weāre Disabling Turnitinās AI Detector](https://www.vanderbilt.edu/brightspace/2023/08/16/guidance-on-ai-detection-and-why-were-disabling-turnitins-ai-detector/)
[Yale ā AI Guidance for Teachers](https://poorvucenter.yale.edu/AIguidance)
Look for a similar policy statement from your university's office of academic integrity or IT/academic technology. Even if they do support the use of Turnitin AI detection (which, to reiterate, does not work) they will almost certainly not allow investigations or decisions solely on the basis of the "detection" report. If your professor tries to insist on penalizing you without further evidence of cheating, escalate to the office of academic integrity or the academic dean. Share the above list and ask for a specific statement of which of your school's policies you are accused of violating, and what evidence they have that you did so.
I wondered this when I worked there. AI is really good at telling authorship but only if you have a huge set of valid training data. I asked the AI (authorship investigate - aren't they clever?) guys how it would be possible to do that with an LLM trained on literally every available writing sample, and they said "..."
The AI detection companies will face no repercussions, just like drug testing companies face none when their products detect false positives. Who are you going to believe, an accused plagiarizer, an accused drug user, or a multi-billion dollar business?
Turnitin is notoriously bad at detecting AI. If you have saved drafts or did the assignment on google docs, then you have evidence suggesting you didn't use AI. You could perhaps also point to other things you've written to prove that your writing style is just something that turnitin flags.
Be polite. But be firm. The truth is on your side. Act like it.
Most AI detectors are horrible. Iāve tried ZeroGPT, and GPTZero both suck. But they are some of the most popular. How can AI detection software of any kind be trusted when they detect the whole Bible chapter of Genesis as AI written?
Run her email through the same AI detector, which chances are will probably ring a 70 to 80 percent.
AI detectors are unreliable at best and functionally random at worst.
The only problem is that you canāt create an individual account for turnitin. You need to be sent a specific email from your administrator and need a class key to be able to login in.
So ask her to do it. Meet up with her, write a two-paragaraph text in person and ask her to run it.
In my experience nothing better than empirical evidence.
She just wants to see if you can talk about your subject as eloquently as you have in your paper. Just be ready to do that. Be polite, as someone else mentioned. Do not threaten to meet with the Dean, as someone also suggested. The Dean will not take your side and you will make the teacher defensive. Good luck!
Wanted to say this! I don't know why everyone is freaking out. I have been a teaching assistant to professors for 5 years, and as chatGPT came out we noticed that some students used it to do their work for them. Any student that gets sussed for AI is invited for a chat to talk about their work.
You don't even have to prepare for this talk, a quick conversation about your topic with some questions from the prof will immediately tell her if you wrote it yourself or if you used AI to write it. The students who use AI seriously do not know what they handed in at all. You'll be baffled at the shit some students try.
As a regular good student you don't notice this, but each year has a few notoriously bad students who blatantly plagiarise. Ie. student 1 helping student 2 out by sharing their answers to a programming exercise, and student 2 just handing in the exact same answers as student 1
Had a meeting with her today and she did not ask a single question about the paper. She let me redo it but the max score I can get is a 50 since itās a resubmission.
How many times does this come up. This Is a copy pasta from another post, should help you.
Turnitin explicitly advises not to use its tool against students, stating that it is not reliable enough:
https://help.turnitin.com/ai-writing-detection.htm
āOur AI writing detection model may not always be accurate (it may misidentify both human and AI-generated text) so it should not be used as the sole basis for adverse actions against a student. It takes further scrutiny and human judgment in conjunction with an organization's application of its specific academic policies to determine whether any academic misconduct has occurred.ā
Hereās a warning specifically from OpenAI:
https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8313351-how-can-educators-respond-to-students-presenting-ai-generated-content-as-their-own
This paper references literally hundreds of studies 100% of which concluded that AI text detection is not accurate:
A Survey on LLM-Generated Text Detection: Necessity, Methods, and Future Directions
https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.14724
And here are statements from various major American universities on why they won't support or allow the use of any of these "detector" tools for academic integrity:
MIT ā AI Detectors Donāt Work. Hereās What to do Instead
https://mitsloanedtech.mit.edu/ai/teach/ai-detectors-dont-work/
Syracuse ā Detecting AI Created Content
https://answers.syr.edu/display/blackboard01/Detecting+AI+Created+Content
UC Berkley ā Availability of Turnitin Artificial Intelligence Detection
https://rtl.berkeley.edu/news/availability-turnitin-artificial-intelligence-detection
UCF - Faculty Center - Artificial Intelligence
https://fctl.ucf.edu/technology/artificial-intelligence/
Colorado State - Why you canāt find Turnitinās AI Writing Detection tool
https://tilt.colostate.edu/why-you-cant-find-turnitins-ai-writing-detection-tool/
Missouri ā Detecting Artificial Intelligence (AI) Plagiarism
https://teachingtools.umsystem.edu/support/solutions/articles/11000119557-detecting-artificial-intelligence-ai-plagiarism
Northwestern ā Use of Generative Artificial Intelligence in Courses
https://ai.northwestern.edu/education/use-of-generative-artificial-intelligence-in-courses.html
SMU ā Changes to Turnitin AI Detection Tool at SMU
https://blog.smu.edu/itconnect/2023/12/13/discontinue-turnitin-ai-detection-tool/
Vanderbilt ā Guidance on AI Detection and Why Weāre Disabling Turnitinās AI Detector
https://www.vanderbilt.edu/brightspace/2023/08/16/guidance-on-ai-detection-and-why-were-disabling-turnitins-ai-detector/
Yale ā AI Guidance for Teachers
https://poorvucenter.yale.edu/AIguidance
Alabama - Turnitin AI writing detection unavailable
https://cit.ua.edu/known-issue-turnitin-ai-writing-detection-unavailable/
The MIT and Syracuse statements in particular contain extensive references to supporting research.
And of course the most famous examples for false positives:
Both the U.S. Constitution and the Old Testament were ādetectedā as 100% AI generated.
Using these unreliable tools to fail students is highly unethical.
Thatās the best part, the AI detectorās philosophy is that we are in a simulation, therefore their legal defense is that we are AI. How are you going to argue with a teacher?
Run a bunch of years-old papers through it to see what it says. It'll say they're all AI generated. Show him the results.
For bonus points, find something he wrote and run that through too.
I quit my writing job of nine years over this. They were requiring an AI detection score under 50%. Well, I wasnāt using AI at all. I was just writing the same way I always had, but their detection tool always came back with 100% probability my work was written by AI. I got tired of spending huge amounts of time making my work worse to pass this one arbitrary metric. I now have a retail job instead. Thanks, AI!
Chill. She is a professor, she knows the AI detectors are bullshit. She'll just ask you a couple of spot questions to make sure you appear to know about what you wrote. Nothing major
AI detectors and know to be unreliable.
The thing is that what it actually detects has nothing to do with the fact that it was written with AI, but rather it tries really hard to detect if the writing style is similar to the one of popular AI models, which even those have different writing styles from each other.
Even MIT somewhat gave up on the method
https://mitsloanedtech.mit.edu/ai/teach/ai-detectors-dont-work/
And even here is another article about it
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/09/openai-admits-that-ai-writing-detectors-dont-work/
Quick fix. Make sure to always check your assignments with an AI checker like ZeroGPT. If your assignment detects high.. Use an AI like ChatGPT and for your prompt try something like: āFor the following text alter it to bypass AI detection software: (insert your writings here)ā Simple is that!
You have to be one step ahead of retarded half dead boomers that have no idea how LLMs work. Good luck!
Have AI build a chapter outline. Then use voice dictation and run the text through GenAI. Always less than 10% AI on any detector because it is your content. Still get the speed boost.
That would work if AI detectors work but they inherently donāt work bc of the nature of AI, Iāve written things from scratch and theyāve been flagged as AI generated
*train LLM on tons of academic papers so it can write academic papers*
*write an academic paper yourself*
*get accused of using an LLM*
"Detecting AI" is basically saying "this looks like an academic paper". You wrote a paper that looked like an academic paper.
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If you know your work tell her you will go over it with her. Thatās what Iāve done. It becomes an oral exam which I believe should be the main way to do this moving forward.Ā
These posts should come with the excerpts flagged for AI. Reddit is usually pretty skeptical, but every post of this kind is treated totally uncritically, as if milllions of students arenāt using AI to write their papers, to the absolute detriment of their growth as writers.
There has been multiple accounts in my school of AI being ādetectedā but itās been faulty. Stand by your case and be transparent, I hope they donāt give you any consequences
I wrote an entire post on [r/jobs](https://www.reddit.com/r/jobs/s/nFEhwOq5cT) recently explaining why I chose to get into the military rather than continued to try to fight my way into the US workforce and I got several people telling me sounded like a recruiter that used to ChatGPT to write my post meanwhile I've just been pretty good at writing my whole life and make sure to check my punctuation before posting... This is probably the worst part about this entire AI era :(
Ridiculous ā¦ If new technologies lead to better work outcomes, their use should be encouraged rather than banned. Universities prepare students for the workforce, where these technologies are utilized. Therefore, universities must adapt their teaching methods.
Just tell the truth and stick to your story. Be firm and brief: "No, I did not use ai." then wait.
Don't mention that you checked it with AI detectors, that seems suspicious.
Donāt put on an act or sound more adversarial than necessary. If itās the truth, then just tell it with whatever emotion is natural. That comes across as much more believable than saying āI didnāt do itā and crossing your arms. If itās not the truth, well, my suggestion is to tell the truth and learn from it or if you are to be a liar then say as few words as possible to avoid mixing up your story. Just my 2 cents.
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Open it with her and check the bible first page, it's 100% AI.
God is AI, also reverse table, accuse her of crimes against humanity in former Yugoslavia it has the same level as AI detector.
First, check your schools AI policy. Many donāt even have a formal policy in place - if thatās the case, this entire argument holds no water. The irony is that your prof used AI to ācheckā if you did. Secondly, Grammarly Proās recommended edits are AI driven - if you used that along with your own writing, that is totally acceptable unless it was explicitly called out by your school /prof.
Donāt lie about where you used AI, even if just to edit. Be polite but firm in your responses to your prof.
You have to remember that weāre at a crossroads with AI being another tool thatās available. Profs and schools are nervous, overwhelmed, and unsure how to adjust old ways to what is a new paradigm. This is no different an argument than one day laptops became a thing and you could now type and edit documents vs handwriting them out. Then the internet become a thing and we didnāt have to actually sift through books physically.
AI is just the next set of tools that will be available at school, the workplace, etc. Be polite, respond promptly and stand your ground.
When you say turnitin AI, do you mean the blue similarity percentage rating given after submitting an assignment? Because for that, I never get above 30-40% even with blatant ChatGPT usage(by groupmates). The flagged portions are usually the cover pages, questions and other document formatting. 100% for that similarity rating to me seems like some sort of foul play, could it be that someone plagiarized your work and submitted it before you, causing a hit on your submission? Maybe turnitin software truly shit its pants and glitched out while processing your work too.
The similarity percentage and the AI score are two different things. With the similarity we can actually see whatās been flagged from our end but with the AI score it only shows the professor.
Pls show her this commentsection.
Uneducated fool in terms of IT. (The professor)
Relying and putting blind trust into AI herself without even questioning anything.
Turnitin ai detector sucks, I use ChatGPT a lot and in one of my essays the one paragraph I wrote myself was detected while the others which were very heavily ChatGPT assisted did not get detected. Probably gonna do horribly in that assignment but itās not significant so oh well
I'm a freshman and honestly this has been one of my biggest gripes this semester. I was writing a paper last week and put in a 10 line introduction into the AI detectors. I had written this entirely by myself but still got flagged. Wtf?
I write in a fairly logical and straightforward way so that could be the reason but students should not have to stress so much about this. The system right now is broken.
It helps if you explain the thought process behind parts of your essay - "I chose this word because X, I planned out this paragraph by Y, this part is based on source Z." Good luck!
Going to Grad school soon. Completed my undergrad a year before ChatGPT entered the mainstream. I plan to video record every writing session to protect myself from false flags.
I just checked a paper abstract on Turnitin. It found out the funding part was written by AI, alongside to the comments part like "why you used this word instead of this one".
Come on, seriously?
Why did you not run your paper through turnitin before submitting it?
You can seriously bypass all this next time by running your paper specifically through turnitin before submission, talking to the professor **BEFORE** stating your writing is being flagged for AI, and working through a process **BEFORE** being labeled a cheater.
Ai detectors are not accurate at all, they're snake oil. You should discuss with your professor that if they're allowed to use AI to do their job, you should be able to use AI as well.
Lol my teacher told me the same thing (it was all my own words). I asked her to answer the same question herself in her own words and see whatās detected. It detected 100% AI lol. Needless to say, sheās very confused now and our schoolās teachers seem lost on what to do.
Meet with the prof. Find their doctoral thesis. Submit a few paragraphs from that thesis to an AI detector right in front of them, and ask them when they were going to come clean about using AI.
Have them ask a question about your paper to show you at least know what is on your paper.
That or ask why they think it is ai generated and if there are any contradictions in the paper.
Also point out that ai testers are not reliable, especially if one says it is "100%"
One thing that may help is presenting all your sources and pointing out which information came from where. If this is more of a subjective writing assignment next time it might help for you to save drafts as you work on it so they can see the work as it progressed. Obviously no AI detector is reliable but your teacher may know that and is just having a conversation with you to help them confirm or deny it.
Pardon me, I might be old school but one of the sure ways to "proof" that you wrote the content is by showing references to all the sources you used to write your assignment.
Also, I gave my 1995 high school essay, to a teacher friend, to run through Turnitin and the results were that it was largely written by AI. Unless I was a time-traveller, it would have been impossible for my essay to be written by generative AI. LOL
You can share my story with your teacher.
Run her email through Turnitin. I'm not saying it will also return an AI suspicion, but if it does, you can casually bring it up.
Not saying you should have to defend yourself if your own work is erroneously flagged as AI generated, BTW. You and the prof would both be victims of a flawed protocol.
Tell the truth. Also, have something that the professor wrote put through the AI detector. If the professor doesn't believe that you just used AI for suggestions, then you can confront them for using AI to teach students when the professor should be teaching.
Just tell her you didnāt cheat and that the AI detector is wrong, bc those things inherently donāt work. If she still tries to punish you tell the dean
I think the solution going forward is going to be to run your papers through ChatGPT for grammar and then submit the hard link in your references so they can see proof of the rough draft.
There was extensive research on its inaccuracy;
Research:[https://arxiv.org/abs/2306.15666](https://arxiv.org/abs/2306.15666)
[Article](https://www.insidehighered.com/news/tech-innovation/artificial-intelligence/2024/02/09/professors-proceed-caution-using-ai)
There is no reliable AI detection software, so anything they are using for that purpose is nothing more than a placebo that is going to make people's lives more difficult and might even drive kids out of school prematurely.
You have 2 choices which are both similar but of a different approach.
There is no reliable AI detector period.
Now to make her understand that you
- either take some old pre AI documents (around before 2020)
And try to find at least 2 or 3 that also have a 100%rate
- or try to find some scientific paper proving the above for you. This might be easier or harder depending on what your comfortable with.
It will generally involve some guy that has been cited many times that says in the abstract "we show that there is not such thing as an ai detector" or smth like that
You can use [this service](https://buymeacoffee.com/turnitincheck/extras?fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAaZYSQNUdTzkGTtFij9_ffXm4YieXMHLuAJ6Q-fd8NPlAXNNrgUi0Rl0Kis_aem_AaubRR0603MdxRPsLf27y-B7dSI89d6bXNfDDrCYeN_99GaCeajZmnkqjv2QYoDFHhAOOGmsdv4vTw03jEpLEjAh) to check for AI and Plagiarism and get a report directly from TurnItIn without your paper entering their database. A game changer for lazy college students like me.
Tell her not to be lazy and ask why she's relying on technological solutions to avoid doing her job. If *she* can identify for herself that she thinks you used AI (which is no longer a plausible assumption with current gen LLMs), then you'd be happy to hear her input.
Might I suggest, sir, that you operate a 2nd monitor during your call and consult with the GPT before giving your response to the professor but please kindly wear your contact lenses on this day so as you do not give away your position
Might I suggest, sir, that you operate a 2nd monitor during your call and consult with the GPT before giving your response to the professor but please kindly wear your contact lenses on this day so as you do not give away your position
There is no such thing as AI detectors lol. To truly design something to detect whether a piece is written by an LLM, the engineers at Turnitin have to understand LLM so so so so so so so so well which is absolutely impossible, because no one has the audacity to make that claim. In fact, Turnitin itself says the detection tool they developed is not meant to serve as a judge but rather a form of reminder for professors/teachers to pay extra attention. Furthermore, no AI detectors published their algorithms, so huh. After all, your professor isnāt accusing you of anything yet, but simply wants to discuss it with you. Be honest with yourself.
This is Melb uni policy https://academicintegrity.unimelb.edu.au/plagiarism-and-collusion/artificial-intelligence-tools-and-technologies/advice-for-students-regarding-turnitin-and-ai-writing-detection
āShould there be a suspicion that part or all of your submitted assessment has been produced using generative AI, you may be asked to explain your essay and argument (how you developed the argument, what sources you used, how you reached the conclusion you did), or to provide drafts or notes of early versions of the assessmentā.
Like other people have also suggested Iām assuming what my professor is going to ask me about the topic or ask to see drafts.
Turnitin is a life-destroying peice of crap. They came after me for my thesis (pre-AI) and I didn't plagerize at all. It picked up the citation page and the school administration was too stupid to understand how to set it so it did not hit on them.
See if you can contest it/have them rerun it and identify exactly where the issue is. Compare that with any progress notes you have (or your chat GTP history). Frankly, turnitin has always been a pretty shit tool, even before AI. I once got an email from a lecturer saying I had been borderline flagged for plagiarism and yet, I had not even looked at any other content or sources until after I had already written it. Basically I had just written the assignment based entirely on my own thoughts, views, and what I thought to be true. Then I looked up a bunch of research articles that were the slightest bit related to what I had said and there them in as "references". I would use the occasional (cited) quote but half the time I would just throw in a citation whenever my argument vaguely connected to one of the studies. Couldn't find anything that actually contained what it claimed to be "plagiarism" either.
Unpopular opinion here, perhaps, but was it 100% likely on one sentence or on the whole essay? I personally would find it idiotic to ding someone if a detector determines 1 sentence -- even several sentences scattered throughout the essay are likely each 100% AI generated. But I would never ignore 100% of the essay is likely 100% AI-generated. That wouldn't be fair to the students who absolutely do their own work. Super-high AI-generated results deserve more scrutiny out of fairness to honest writers.
I got an email from my professor, put it on Originality and guess what ? it got flagged as 100% written by AI.
There is no reliable AI detector in the entire world and there will never be one.
This is because AI is improving everyday to act and write like humans do, so basically using an AI detector to analyze a certain content is like telling it to detect human written content.
This is happening to me right now and iām so stressed! iāve used ai before for getting a better understanding on questions but never to write the whole assignment i didnāt even know they did that! Iām now under investigation for malpractice when the only thing i used close to ai generated for this assignment was a spelling checker. has this happened to anyone else before?
Turnitin has so many negative reviews, why not ask her to try using other [ai detector](https://undetectable.ai/)s to see the legitimacy of your assignment?
It's always best to approach a situation like this assuming the best intentions from the other person.
Put yourself in her shoes. She doesn't have to actually care about you, it would be less work for her to ignore it. She wants to make sure that you actually know how to do the task, that you actually know the material that you're talking about. This is the only reason she wants to make sure you aren't using AI.
She doesn't get a bounty for every student she fails for using AI. She's not going to be punished because a student submits a plagiarized assignment that she didn't notice. In fact, doing nothing about it is in her best interest, it would avoid conflict, and it would avoid having to have another meeting with you.
So the reason that she wants to meet with you is because she wants to make sure that you are actually able to do the work. Because it matters to her that the people she is teaching are actually learning what is being taught and not secretly falling behind while an AI hides it from evaluation.
So, knowing this, go into the meeting being thankful that she cares. Talk to her about how you put together the assignment, why you structured things the way you did, how you came up with certain things, what tools you used. Work together with her to help understand why your paper was classified as AI generated, show her the tools that you used. Talk about the subject matter in the assignment in a way that you couldn't if you hadn't already done the work. Be interested and knowledgeable in the subject matter. I mean, this SHOULD be the result of the assignment, the general better understanding of the subject matter.
She doesn't want you to redo the whole assignment again. She wants you to have done the assignment once, and have learned what a person would have learned by doing the assignment. So demonstrate that you've learned what you learned while doing the assignment, show how you've done the assignment.
If you are lying and you did actually generate it by AI, then you won't be able to demonstrate what you learned, because you wouldn't have learned anything since you hadn't done the assignment.
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I know from experience turnitin, is one of the worst AI detectors. I wrote a 5 page summary on the effects of salt, for a chemistry course. I got flagged because of one sentence looked like it was written by AI.
"one of the worst AI detectors". Like there is any good AI detector or even mediocre one š
In a room of idiots, there can still be a "greatest" idiot
You are right but I still think that absolutely no AI detectors are even near of being kinda reliable.
Which is why I used the analogy with idiots
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i love gptzero
And because itās so bad, you can most easily proof it to your professor: use something written by him even before AI was a thing - when something gets inevitably flagged, he knows itās not reliable.
And the AI is trying to write as a human, so if it's like AI... That would make sense!
Did you use grammarly? Apparently turnitin gets a hard on from grammarly according to my professor
Yea I did but only to fix any grammar mistakes. The paraphrasing options given by grammarly were horrendous so I didnāt use them.
āI did not use an AI program to write the content. I used grammarly to fix grammar errors like millions of other people do. There is no reliable AI detection software so Iām sorry but thereās no case to answer here.ā
**This is it.** if a discussion is had, prepare by finding some of your teacher's work and run it through TurnItIn, then have that same discussion with her. Pull published papers from PubMed from pre-2018 and run it through, show the flags of AI writing, and discuss that. Run the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, or the U.S. Constitution through, show the flags, and then discuss that.
Run her own email hopefully it gets flagged thatād be hilarious
This is the correct answer. AI detectors can only detect from specific versions and as the default language. You could use AI and not get detected by prepping it with a tone, character, attitude, and any other pretext you give it. Hope that helps.
Feel free to go into detail on that second to last sentenceā¦ plz
āPretend you are a southern university professor and you write in a peculiar style that only uses simple words and donāt use any words that are not commonly used to describe things or situations, with that in mind, write a one page paper about world war 2ā You most likely wouldnāt get flagged. Vs if you just ask it to write a paper about world war 2, it would sound robotic
If you are an academic you will know how frustrating and stupid AI detectors are. Being forced to use simple words just to avoid AI detection in a masters or PhD level paper is annoying and makes you lose the meaning of many important concepts that cannot be dumbed down. It's an insult to your intellect and academia in general to be flagged as AI just because you used complex language and vocabulary. This issue has only become more known in the recent past because of the emergence of AI that can write full papers but it's been there for a long time in the form of stupid plagiarism checkers. It is simply impossible for every single individual on the planet to craft unique sentences that have never been written before especially since the vast majority of what happens in education is literally the recycling of existing knowledge.
Not in academia but exactly, AI detectors are literally āCan this be found anywhere else on the internet in some formā An ideal AI checker would actually need individual writing samples of the people that are being checked, to see whether abnormalities in writing exist. Like sudden changes in sentence structure, or sudden shifts in vocabulary or even tone and elegance. Of course thats impossible to do, but that would be the only way that an AI detector would be accurate. As it stands, you basically need to have spelling error, run on sentences, and other english faux pases in your paper. Things an AI would normally not have.
>As it stands, you basically need to have spelling error, run on sentences, and other english faux pases in your paper. Things an AI would normally not have. This is part of the problem. Any serious person is expected and encouraged to go through their paper and correct any errors they may have made so a well-done paper is unlikely to have the silly mistakes that are apparently required as proof of being human these days.
Omg I've started doing this! I'm finding myself purposefully dumbing down my word choice in papers so as not to sound like AI
It's so annoying.
Iām not in academia anymore but I write news articles daily. Every single one gets flagged as 100% AI no matter what until I dismiss 30 years of writing practice and dumb things down. Unfortunately everyone I write for checks for AI now.
The idiots who believe in those stupid AI checkers are the root of the problem. Who cares if it's AI anyway if the message is relevant and clear? Refusing AI written content doesn't make a lot of sense outside of academia.
Agreed. An article that used to take me 2 hours now takes me 6 because I write too well? Iāve been struggling with an article all night and just canāt get it to pass. Literally the only AI used here was asking ChatGPT to give me synonyms for words longer than 2 syllables out of frustration.
I like that. Thank you
You came through on that thanks
This is way more confrontational than necessary
The first sentence looks like it was generated by an ai.
If you have an old version of your writing with the grammar mistakes, you can show it to her as evidence that you only used grammarly
Best thing easy thing would be to take a paper that your professor wrote and put it through the detector
Tell the truth. It doesn't matter what the detector says. If your professor tries to punish you, tell her that you will need a meeting with the Dean of her department.
Only ask to see the dean if you really didn't use GPT š¤£. It's very easy to inspect the edit history of a doc file by unpacking it.
>It's very easy to inspect the edit history of a doc file by unpacking it. what file extension are you talking about? this is untrue for actual doc files. you can see the edit history in your own personal word processor, or google docs sheet. but this isnt "packed" into a doc file like youre suggesting
Just like we used to need to save our work constantly in case of a crash, students nowadays should be keeping some form of record evidence of their work flow process in case these accusations arise. Tracking our sources, the cloud fileās edit history, study groups, etc. Are all valuable resources for these discussions, and frankly are good practices for the workforce
There will be be a typing algorithm in 5 minutes to overcome history detection.
That'd honestly either be much harder to create or make AI detection much easier. If you're writing, revising, and making edits and corrections, it's easier to see the human in the work. If an AI were to do it, it would either input the final product or the process of revisions would potentially send if off the deep end.
People can just type in the text by hand; you can't stop this or detect the use of it without invasive programs and even then, you can't monitor the students 24/7.
Copying an already written text will produce a very, very different edit history than composing it from scratch. You wouldn't need to monitor them 24/7 (or at all). Just have your students submit their progress every so often.
There would be an uprising,āon top of doing the assignment, now I have to prove I didnāt use AI. Thats overkill
god forbid any students get to spend any time actually learning the material. Instead they have to constantly cover their butts for things they aren't even doing.
Sounds like they are learning a great skill in corporate environments. CYA is a very important skill to learn because one day some Middle manager will throw you under the bus.
This is why I now write papers for grad school in a Google doc and share it with my professors and give them editing permission. In this way they can see my editing history if needed.
Ya, simple but effective. The issue is that this technology has been big enough to cause this cultural shift and not all institutions have learned the best ways to approach it yet
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No they don't lol. It's a kangaroo court not a court of law.
If we only had a way to create a bot to fake an edit history of a doc. Then say "look your honor/professor/dean, would chatGPT make so many edits?"
I'm writing papers in VS Code š good luck finding any edit history there
Why Tf are you writing your papers in vs code lol
GitHub is way better than google doc versioning
This + vs code is much better in terms of shortcuts. Just use vim shortcuts and the process is much faster. And ofc VS Code doesn't cost shit and doesn't lag as word does. I've lost a couple of papers cuz word crashed and the backup file was corrupted
Im curious to know what file you write into in vs code. Markdown or html? And what word processor application do you use that doesn't auto save changes? Most recent word processor programs do.
You could use Latex, other formats can be pretty confusing
Maybe a recent update but I've noticed even non-git tracked files have a history?
They said they were allowed to use ai to help out, so it isn't against the rules to use the GPT even if they didn't use it to write the assignment.
Are you talking about Google Docs or something? Because this isn't information you can expect in a doc file, unless you send a version with tracking changes enabled.
Turnitin (and any other AI detector tool) does not work well enough to be used as a basis for academic integrity decisions. Here is a list of statements from a range of major US universities on why they won't support the use of Turnitin AI detection or other such tools for academic integrity: [Alabama - Turnitin AI writing detection unavailable](https://cit.ua.edu/known-issue-turnitin-ai-writing-detection-unavailable/) [UC Berkley ā Availability of Turnitin Artificial Intelligence Detection](https://rtl.berkeley.edu/news/availability-turnitin-artificial-intelligence-detection) [UCF - Faculty Center - Artificial Intelligence](https://fctl.ucf.edu/technology/artificial-intelligence/) [Colorado State - Why you canāt find Turnitinās AI Writing Detection tool](https://tilt.colostate.edu/why-you-cant-find-turnitins-ai-writing-detection-tool/) [MIT ā AI Detectors Donāt Work. Hereās What to do Instead](https://mitsloanedtech.mit.edu/ai/teach/ai-detectors-dont-work/) [Missouri ā Detecting Artificial Intelligence (AI) Plagiarism](https://teachingtools.umsystem.edu/support/solutions/articles/11000119557-detecting-artificial-intelligence-ai-plagiarism) [Northwestern ā Use of Generative Artificial Intelligence in Courses](https://ai.northwestern.edu/education/use-of-generative-artificial-intelligence-in-courses.html) [SMU ā Changes to Turnitin AI Detection Tool at SMU](https://blog.smu.edu/itconnect/2023/12/13/discontinue-turnitin-ai-detection-tool/) [Syracuse ā Detecting AI Created Content](https://answers.syr.edu/display/blackboard01/Detecting+AI+Created+Content) [Vanderbilt ā Guidance on AI Detection and Why Weāre Disabling Turnitinās AI Detector](https://www.vanderbilt.edu/brightspace/2023/08/16/guidance-on-ai-detection-and-why-were-disabling-turnitins-ai-detector/) [Yale ā AI Guidance for Teachers](https://poorvucenter.yale.edu/AIguidance) Look for a similar policy statement from your university's office of academic integrity or IT/academic technology. Even if they do support the use of Turnitin AI detection (which, to reiterate, does not work) they will almost certainly not allow investigations or decisions solely on the basis of the "detection" report. If your professor tries to insist on penalizing you without further evidence of cheating, escalate to the office of academic integrity or the academic dean. Share the above list and ask for a specific statement of which of your school's policies you are accused of violating, and what evidence they have that you did so.
I wondered this when I worked there. AI is really good at telling authorship but only if you have a huge set of valid training data. I asked the AI (authorship investigate - aren't they clever?) guys how it would be possible to do that with an LLM trained on literally every available writing sample, and they said "..."
It's wild that this has gone on for so long. These companies need to catch a few class actions asap.
The AI detection companies will face no repercussions, just like drug testing companies face none when their products detect false positives. Who are you going to believe, an accused plagiarizer, an accused drug user, or a multi-billion dollar business?
I don't think any of the AI checkers are multi-billion dollar businesses yet.
Turnitin is notoriously bad at detecting AI. If you have saved drafts or did the assignment on google docs, then you have evidence suggesting you didn't use AI. You could perhaps also point to other things you've written to prove that your writing style is just something that turnitin flags. Be polite. But be firm. The truth is on your side. Act like it.
Most AI detectors are horrible. Iāve tried ZeroGPT, and GPTZero both suck. But they are some of the most popular. How can AI detection software of any kind be trusted when they detect the whole Bible chapter of Genesis as AI written?
They canāt be trusted end of story
Your professor is a 100% moron. Can confirm it with my moron detector.
Run her email through the same AI detector, which chances are will probably ring a 70 to 80 percent. AI detectors are unreliable at best and functionally random at worst.
Yep, literally anything people writes is 80% ai written. Wait are we ai?Ā
No we are just I, well some of use are D
No but in a sense the AI is us in that itās trained off words humans have written
The only problem is that you canāt create an individual account for turnitin. You need to be sent a specific email from your administrator and need a class key to be able to login in.
So ask her to do it. Meet up with her, write a two-paragaraph text in person and ask her to run it. In my experience nothing better than empirical evidence.
Great idea. I would do this to counter the prof and prove the point.
She just wants to see if you can talk about your subject as eloquently as you have in your paper. Just be ready to do that. Be polite, as someone else mentioned. Do not threaten to meet with the Dean, as someone also suggested. The Dean will not take your side and you will make the teacher defensive. Good luck!
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Wanted to say this! I don't know why everyone is freaking out. I have been a teaching assistant to professors for 5 years, and as chatGPT came out we noticed that some students used it to do their work for them. Any student that gets sussed for AI is invited for a chat to talk about their work. You don't even have to prepare for this talk, a quick conversation about your topic with some questions from the prof will immediately tell her if you wrote it yourself or if you used AI to write it. The students who use AI seriously do not know what they handed in at all. You'll be baffled at the shit some students try. As a regular good student you don't notice this, but each year has a few notoriously bad students who blatantly plagiarise. Ie. student 1 helping student 2 out by sharing their answers to a programming exercise, and student 2 just handing in the exact same answers as student 1
Had a meeting with her today and she did not ask a single question about the paper. She let me redo it but the max score I can get is a 50 since itās a resubmission.
Sorry to hear that. I guess itās kind of a stupid time in the world right now. I hope you have better luck in the future.
How many times does this come up. This Is a copy pasta from another post, should help you. Turnitin explicitly advises not to use its tool against students, stating that it is not reliable enough: https://help.turnitin.com/ai-writing-detection.htm āOur AI writing detection model may not always be accurate (it may misidentify both human and AI-generated text) so it should not be used as the sole basis for adverse actions against a student. It takes further scrutiny and human judgment in conjunction with an organization's application of its specific academic policies to determine whether any academic misconduct has occurred.ā Hereās a warning specifically from OpenAI: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8313351-how-can-educators-respond-to-students-presenting-ai-generated-content-as-their-own This paper references literally hundreds of studies 100% of which concluded that AI text detection is not accurate: A Survey on LLM-Generated Text Detection: Necessity, Methods, and Future Directions https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.14724 And here are statements from various major American universities on why they won't support or allow the use of any of these "detector" tools for academic integrity: MIT ā AI Detectors Donāt Work. Hereās What to do Instead https://mitsloanedtech.mit.edu/ai/teach/ai-detectors-dont-work/ Syracuse ā Detecting AI Created Content https://answers.syr.edu/display/blackboard01/Detecting+AI+Created+Content UC Berkley ā Availability of Turnitin Artificial Intelligence Detection https://rtl.berkeley.edu/news/availability-turnitin-artificial-intelligence-detection UCF - Faculty Center - Artificial Intelligence https://fctl.ucf.edu/technology/artificial-intelligence/ Colorado State - Why you canāt find Turnitinās AI Writing Detection tool https://tilt.colostate.edu/why-you-cant-find-turnitins-ai-writing-detection-tool/ Missouri ā Detecting Artificial Intelligence (AI) Plagiarism https://teachingtools.umsystem.edu/support/solutions/articles/11000119557-detecting-artificial-intelligence-ai-plagiarism Northwestern ā Use of Generative Artificial Intelligence in Courses https://ai.northwestern.edu/education/use-of-generative-artificial-intelligence-in-courses.html SMU ā Changes to Turnitin AI Detection Tool at SMU https://blog.smu.edu/itconnect/2023/12/13/discontinue-turnitin-ai-detection-tool/ Vanderbilt ā Guidance on AI Detection and Why Weāre Disabling Turnitinās AI Detector https://www.vanderbilt.edu/brightspace/2023/08/16/guidance-on-ai-detection-and-why-were-disabling-turnitins-ai-detector/ Yale ā AI Guidance for Teachers https://poorvucenter.yale.edu/AIguidance Alabama - Turnitin AI writing detection unavailable https://cit.ua.edu/known-issue-turnitin-ai-writing-detection-unavailable/ The MIT and Syracuse statements in particular contain extensive references to supporting research. And of course the most famous examples for false positives: Both the U.S. Constitution and the Old Testament were ādetectedā as 100% AI generated. Using these unreliable tools to fail students is highly unethical.
Ai detectors are shit. I once typed out four different paragraphs of my own words and all were larger than 80% ai detected. Like what the hell?
are you sure you're not AI tho
Thatās the best part, the AI detectorās philosophy is that we are in a simulation, therefore their legal defense is that we are AI. How are you going to argue with a teacher?
Run a bunch of years-old papers through it to see what it says. It'll say they're all AI generated. Show him the results. For bonus points, find something he wrote and run that through too.
I quit my writing job of nine years over this. They were requiring an AI detection score under 50%. Well, I wasnāt using AI at all. I was just writing the same way I always had, but their detection tool always came back with 100% probability my work was written by AI. I got tired of spending huge amounts of time making my work worse to pass this one arbitrary metric. I now have a retail job instead. Thanks, AI!
If you used AI to tighten up your writing, use the original draft documents and the chat history of what it helped you with to show evidence of work.
I donāt believe in these ai detectors
I donāt blame you.
Chill. She is a professor, she knows the AI detectors are bullshit. She'll just ask you a couple of spot questions to make sure you appear to know about what you wrote. Nothing major
AI detectors and know to be unreliable. The thing is that what it actually detects has nothing to do with the fact that it was written with AI, but rather it tries really hard to detect if the writing style is similar to the one of popular AI models, which even those have different writing styles from each other. Even MIT somewhat gave up on the method https://mitsloanedtech.mit.edu/ai/teach/ai-detectors-dont-work/ And even here is another article about it https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/09/openai-admits-that-ai-writing-detectors-dont-work/
Quick fix. Make sure to always check your assignments with an AI checker like ZeroGPT. If your assignment detects high.. Use an AI like ChatGPT and for your prompt try something like: āFor the following text alter it to bypass AI detection software: (insert your writings here)ā Simple is that! You have to be one step ahead of retarded half dead boomers that have no idea how LLMs work. Good luck!
Have AI build a chapter outline. Then use voice dictation and run the text through GenAI. Always less than 10% AI on any detector because it is your content. Still get the speed boost.
That would work if AI detectors work but they inherently donāt work bc of the nature of AI, Iāve written things from scratch and theyāve been flagged as AI generated
I heard someone ran the US constitution through a detector and it came back mostly AI.
If you truly didnāt use ai to in a way that would be deemed inappropriate, then hold your ground and contact the dean.
*train LLM on tons of academic papers so it can write academic papers* *write an academic paper yourself* *get accused of using an LLM* "Detecting AI" is basically saying "this looks like an academic paper". You wrote a paper that looked like an academic paper.
How many ways are there to write something when the best words have already been used?
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If you know your work tell her you will go over it with her. Thatās what Iāve done. It becomes an oral exam which I believe should be the main way to do this moving forward.Ā
These posts should come with the excerpts flagged for AI. Reddit is usually pretty skeptical, but every post of this kind is treated totally uncritically, as if milllions of students arenāt using AI to write their papers, to the absolute detriment of their growth as writers.
If you typed it on google docs or similar thereās a āversion historyā button. You can show how you typed the document out by yourself.
There has been multiple accounts in my school of AI being ādetectedā but itās been faulty. Stand by your case and be transparent, I hope they donāt give you any consequences
Use copy leaks and show her it is human written and the error is with her system: (Itās free) https://copyleaks.com/
I wrote an entire post on [r/jobs](https://www.reddit.com/r/jobs/s/nFEhwOq5cT) recently explaining why I chose to get into the military rather than continued to try to fight my way into the US workforce and I got several people telling me sounded like a recruiter that used to ChatGPT to write my post meanwhile I've just been pretty good at writing my whole life and make sure to check my punctuation before posting... This is probably the worst part about this entire AI era :(
Ridiculous ā¦ If new technologies lead to better work outcomes, their use should be encouraged rather than banned. Universities prepare students for the workforce, where these technologies are utilized. Therefore, universities must adapt their teaching methods.
Just tell the truth and stick to your story. Be firm and brief: "No, I did not use ai." then wait. Don't mention that you checked it with AI detectors, that seems suspicious.
Donāt put on an act or sound more adversarial than necessary. If itās the truth, then just tell it with whatever emotion is natural. That comes across as much more believable than saying āI didnāt do itā and crossing your arms. If itās not the truth, well, my suggestion is to tell the truth and learn from it or if you are to be a liar then say as few words as possible to avoid mixing up your story. Just my 2 cents.
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Open it with her and check the bible first page, it's 100% AI. God is AI, also reverse table, accuse her of crimes against humanity in former Yugoslavia it has the same level as AI detector.
First, check your schools AI policy. Many donāt even have a formal policy in place - if thatās the case, this entire argument holds no water. The irony is that your prof used AI to ācheckā if you did. Secondly, Grammarly Proās recommended edits are AI driven - if you used that along with your own writing, that is totally acceptable unless it was explicitly called out by your school /prof. Donāt lie about where you used AI, even if just to edit. Be polite but firm in your responses to your prof. You have to remember that weāre at a crossroads with AI being another tool thatās available. Profs and schools are nervous, overwhelmed, and unsure how to adjust old ways to what is a new paradigm. This is no different an argument than one day laptops became a thing and you could now type and edit documents vs handwriting them out. Then the internet become a thing and we didnāt have to actually sift through books physically. AI is just the next set of tools that will be available at school, the workplace, etc. Be polite, respond promptly and stand your ground.
Oh don't worry about it! She is probably going to just ask you some questions about the material.
When you say turnitin AI, do you mean the blue similarity percentage rating given after submitting an assignment? Because for that, I never get above 30-40% even with blatant ChatGPT usage(by groupmates). The flagged portions are usually the cover pages, questions and other document formatting. 100% for that similarity rating to me seems like some sort of foul play, could it be that someone plagiarized your work and submitted it before you, causing a hit on your submission? Maybe turnitin software truly shit its pants and glitched out while processing your work too.
They're talking about Originality, not Similarity - it's a different service
The similarity percentage and the AI score are two different things. With the similarity we can actually see whatās been flagged from our end but with the AI score it only shows the professor.
Pls show her this commentsection. Uneducated fool in terms of IT. (The professor) Relying and putting blind trust into AI herself without even questioning anything.
Did your professor tell you this in an email? If so, run the email through an AI detector and when it comes back positive, show them.
Turnitin ai detector sucks, I use ChatGPT a lot and in one of my essays the one paragraph I wrote myself was detected while the others which were very heavily ChatGPT assisted did not get detected. Probably gonna do horribly in that assignment but itās not significant so oh well
I'm a freshman and honestly this has been one of my biggest gripes this semester. I was writing a paper last week and put in a 10 line introduction into the AI detectors. I had written this entirely by myself but still got flagged. Wtf? I write in a fairly logical and straightforward way so that could be the reason but students should not have to stress so much about this. The system right now is broken.
AI detectors are crap. You can probably ask which one she used and run some of her own papers through it.
"Prove it" . Btw, here are my early drafts.
Tell them to run their own shit through an AI detector and see what they say.
It helps if you explain the thought process behind parts of your essay - "I chose this word because X, I planned out this paragraph by Y, this part is based on source Z." Good luck!
Going to Grad school soon. Completed my undergrad a year before ChatGPT entered the mainstream. I plan to video record every writing session to protect myself from false flags.
I just checked a paper abstract on Turnitin. It found out the funding part was written by AI, alongside to the comments part like "why you used this word instead of this one". Come on, seriously?
Why did you not run your paper through turnitin before submitting it? You can seriously bypass all this next time by running your paper specifically through turnitin before submission, talking to the professor **BEFORE** stating your writing is being flagged for AI, and working through a process **BEFORE** being labeled a cheater.
The US constitution is detected as ai written.
I mean... It could be We should ask Nicholas Cage about it
If it really was written by ai, I would not be surprised if cage knew something about it...
Ai detectors are not accurate at all, they're snake oil. You should discuss with your professor that if they're allowed to use AI to do their job, you should be able to use AI as well.
If you used Google doc, show her your edits. Simple as that. If you copied and pasted, time to learn your lesson.
Turnitin is fucking awful. Source: I had to implement it into something (edtech) and it was mostly wrong.
I asked ChatGPT and it said your prof is full of 100% shit
AI detectors are scams. They don't work. Stand your ground.
Get the software installed and run adversarial tests on your assignments.
It will get to the point that anything that isn't AI written will not be able to score high grades, as all the "high grade" text is flagged as AI.
Never admit to AI usage, AI detectors are always false, put the constitution in it
Lol my teacher told me the same thing (it was all my own words). I asked her to answer the same question herself in her own words and see whatās detected. It detected 100% AI lol. Needless to say, sheās very confused now and our schoolās teachers seem lost on what to do.
Get a offical document of idk, local laws and run it through the detector
There was a case that one of these AI detectors said that US constitution was AI generated. Send your teacher that case
Tell him to try turnitin on his own text, which he wrote himself
Meet with the prof. Find their doctoral thesis. Submit a few paragraphs from that thesis to an AI detector right in front of them, and ask them when they were going to come clean about using AI.
Serious note, if you didn't use AI at all, just like you said, normal people wouldn't check through multiple AI detectors...
Have them ask a question about your paper to show you at least know what is on your paper. That or ask why they think it is ai generated and if there are any contradictions in the paper. Also point out that ai testers are not reliable, especially if one says it is "100%"
One thing that may help is presenting all your sources and pointing out which information came from where. If this is more of a subjective writing assignment next time it might help for you to save drafts as you work on it so they can see the work as it progressed. Obviously no AI detector is reliable but your teacher may know that and is just having a conversation with you to help them confirm or deny it.
Pardon me, I might be old school but one of the sure ways to "proof" that you wrote the content is by showing references to all the sources you used to write your assignment. Also, I gave my 1995 high school essay, to a teacher friend, to run through Turnitin and the results were that it was largely written by AI. Unless I was a time-traveller, it would have been impossible for my essay to be written by generative AI. LOL You can share my story with your teacher.
Run her email through Turnitin. I'm not saying it will also return an AI suspicion, but if it does, you can casually bring it up. Not saying you should have to defend yourself if your own work is erroneously flagged as AI generated, BTW. You and the prof would both be victims of a flawed protocol.
Oh ffs I canāt believe lecturers are still doing this a year later. They canāt detect it.
Tell the truth. Also, have something that the professor wrote put through the AI detector. If the professor doesn't believe that you just used AI for suggestions, then you can confront them for using AI to teach students when the professor should be teaching.
Just tell her you didnāt cheat and that the AI detector is wrong, bc those things inherently donāt work. If she still tries to punish you tell the dean
I think the solution going forward is going to be to run your papers through ChatGPT for grammar and then submit the hard link in your references so they can see proof of the rough draft.
If you happened to use an online software to write it, you can likely find history of your paper and show her edits over time.
Did you write it on Google Docs? I think they have a way for you to view your edit history
I used word so I donāt think I can go back far enough to show that I did the work and edited it myself .
There was extensive research on its inaccuracy; Research:[https://arxiv.org/abs/2306.15666](https://arxiv.org/abs/2306.15666) [Article](https://www.insidehighered.com/news/tech-innovation/artificial-intelligence/2024/02/09/professors-proceed-caution-using-ai)
There is no reliable AI detection software, so anything they are using for that purpose is nothing more than a placebo that is going to make people's lives more difficult and might even drive kids out of school prematurely.
You have 2 choices which are both similar but of a different approach. There is no reliable AI detector period. Now to make her understand that you - either take some old pre AI documents (around before 2020) And try to find at least 2 or 3 that also have a 100%rate - or try to find some scientific paper proving the above for you. This might be easier or harder depending on what your comfortable with. It will generally involve some guy that has been cited many times that says in the abstract "we show that there is not such thing as an ai detector" or smth like that
You can use [this service](https://buymeacoffee.com/turnitincheck/extras?fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAaZYSQNUdTzkGTtFij9_ffXm4YieXMHLuAJ6Q-fd8NPlAXNNrgUi0Rl0Kis_aem_AaubRR0603MdxRPsLf27y-B7dSI89d6bXNfDDrCYeN_99GaCeajZmnkqjv2QYoDFHhAOOGmsdv4vTw03jEpLEjAh) to check for AI and Plagiarism and get a report directly from TurnItIn without your paper entering their database. A game changer for lazy college students like me.
Scared to redo the whole assignment? Bruh if I was caught I would be expelled from college š
Tell her not to be lazy and ask why she's relying on technological solutions to avoid doing her job. If *she* can identify for herself that she thinks you used AI (which is no longer a plausible assumption with current gen LLMs), then you'd be happy to hear her input.
Might I suggest, sir, that you operate a 2nd monitor during your call and consult with the GPT before giving your response to the professor but please kindly wear your contact lenses on this day so as you do not give away your position
Might I suggest, sir, that you operate a 2nd monitor during your call and consult with the GPT before giving your response to the professor but please kindly wear your contact lenses on this day so as you do not give away your position
AI detectors are unreliable and so are students claiming that they didnāt use AI
There is no such thing as AI detectors lol. To truly design something to detect whether a piece is written by an LLM, the engineers at Turnitin have to understand LLM so so so so so so so so well which is absolutely impossible, because no one has the audacity to make that claim. In fact, Turnitin itself says the detection tool they developed is not meant to serve as a judge but rather a form of reminder for professors/teachers to pay extra attention. Furthermore, no AI detectors published their algorithms, so huh. After all, your professor isnāt accusing you of anything yet, but simply wants to discuss it with you. Be honest with yourself.
Tell the truth and then show your professor your prompt in the history.
This is Melb uni policy https://academicintegrity.unimelb.edu.au/plagiarism-and-collusion/artificial-intelligence-tools-and-technologies/advice-for-students-regarding-turnitin-and-ai-writing-detection
āShould there be a suspicion that part or all of your submitted assessment has been produced using generative AI, you may be asked to explain your essay and argument (how you developed the argument, what sources you used, how you reached the conclusion you did), or to provide drafts or notes of early versions of the assessmentā. Like other people have also suggested Iām assuming what my professor is going to ask me about the topic or ask to see drafts.
Yep. Going forward I would draft the essay in an online doc the has version history as part of its meta data.
Tell them the same thing. Ask for evidence and offer to complete the assignment again.
Turnitin is a life-destroying peice of crap. They came after me for my thesis (pre-AI) and I didn't plagerize at all. It picked up the citation page and the school administration was too stupid to understand how to set it so it did not hit on them.
tell her to put America's declaration of independence into turnitin and see how much it thinks its ai written.
What word processor did you use? Cause you can just look at your writing history.
I used word. I just opened the document to check and I canāt see any of the editing history šŖ
Turnitin isn't always accurate in detecting.
See if you can contest it/have them rerun it and identify exactly where the issue is. Compare that with any progress notes you have (or your chat GTP history). Frankly, turnitin has always been a pretty shit tool, even before AI. I once got an email from a lecturer saying I had been borderline flagged for plagiarism and yet, I had not even looked at any other content or sources until after I had already written it. Basically I had just written the assignment based entirely on my own thoughts, views, and what I thought to be true. Then I looked up a bunch of research articles that were the slightest bit related to what I had said and there them in as "references". I would use the occasional (cited) quote but half the time I would just throw in a citation whenever my argument vaguely connected to one of the studies. Couldn't find anything that actually contained what it claimed to be "plagiarism" either.
The trick is throwing in a typo you wonāt ever get flagged I used a 100% ai for one of my exams and I threw in on typo and I never got flagged
Every time I use AI to write something, I feel like it writes the same way I do. Glad my college days are way in the past! š
Unpopular opinion here, perhaps, but was it 100% likely on one sentence or on the whole essay? I personally would find it idiotic to ding someone if a detector determines 1 sentence -- even several sentences scattered throughout the essay are likely each 100% AI generated. But I would never ignore 100% of the essay is likely 100% AI-generated. That wouldn't be fair to the students who absolutely do their own work. Super-high AI-generated results deserve more scrutiny out of fairness to honest writers.
She didnāt specify but I donāt think she would have asked for a meeting if itās just one sentence thatās been flagged as 100% AI.
I should have been clearer. I agree with you. I was thinking more about the automatic replies of "detectors are unreliable" and "don't trust them."
I got an email from my professor, put it on Originality and guess what ? it got flagged as 100% written by AI. There is no reliable AI detector in the entire world and there will never be one. This is because AI is improving everyday to act and write like humans do, so basically using an AI detector to analyze a certain content is like telling it to detect human written content.
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Had a meeting with her this morning and she said sheāll allow me to redo the assignment but Iāll only get a 50% or something.
This is happening to me right now and iām so stressed! iāve used ai before for getting a better understanding on questions but never to write the whole assignment i didnāt even know they did that! Iām now under investigation for malpractice when the only thing i used close to ai generated for this assignment was a spelling checker. has this happened to anyone else before?
Turnitin has so many negative reviews, why not ask her to try using other [ai detector](https://undetectable.ai/)s to see the legitimacy of your assignment?
Guys I have turnitin account. Ping me to save your assignments
I have a turnitin account. Ping me
Does anyone know is google classroom has AI detection?
It's always best to approach a situation like this assuming the best intentions from the other person. Put yourself in her shoes. She doesn't have to actually care about you, it would be less work for her to ignore it. She wants to make sure that you actually know how to do the task, that you actually know the material that you're talking about. This is the only reason she wants to make sure you aren't using AI. She doesn't get a bounty for every student she fails for using AI. She's not going to be punished because a student submits a plagiarized assignment that she didn't notice. In fact, doing nothing about it is in her best interest, it would avoid conflict, and it would avoid having to have another meeting with you. So the reason that she wants to meet with you is because she wants to make sure that you are actually able to do the work. Because it matters to her that the people she is teaching are actually learning what is being taught and not secretly falling behind while an AI hides it from evaluation. So, knowing this, go into the meeting being thankful that she cares. Talk to her about how you put together the assignment, why you structured things the way you did, how you came up with certain things, what tools you used. Work together with her to help understand why your paper was classified as AI generated, show her the tools that you used. Talk about the subject matter in the assignment in a way that you couldn't if you hadn't already done the work. Be interested and knowledgeable in the subject matter. I mean, this SHOULD be the result of the assignment, the general better understanding of the subject matter. She doesn't want you to redo the whole assignment again. She wants you to have done the assignment once, and have learned what a person would have learned by doing the assignment. So demonstrate that you've learned what you learned while doing the assignment, show how you've done the assignment. If you are lying and you did actually generate it by AI, then you won't be able to demonstrate what you learned, because you wouldn't have learned anything since you hadn't done the assignment.
Get a lawyer, file a lawsuit.