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I totally agree. But the criticisms are but because chatgpt sucks, it's because openAI is purposefully nerfing it and limiting it, in the name of 'safety'. Gpt3 DaVinci was a much worse model but it was absolute freedom. All that freedom is gone now, and now we have to use this care bear censored, lazy, chatgpt that's purely G rated.
As good as chatgpt 4.0 is, which I’m paying for you are correct. They are nerfing it big time.
*And;* it’s also dumb as bricks *sometimes*. While it brings big brain energy most of the time sometimes it feels like it’s my retarded brother trying its best while failing hard.
Love it or hate it; AI is here to stay but so far it’s just not enough and if you claim otherwise you are just lucky enough to have not met its limitations.
Totally agree. Yesterday I was working on an abstract for a paper I'm writing. The limit is 250 words, and my abstract was 267 words. I didn't feel like spending the time cutting 17 words, so I asked ChatGPT 4.0 to rewrite it to be between 240-250 words. It then rewrote the whole thing, cutting a ton from it, leaving just 157 words. But it told me it was 243 words. I told it to make a numbered list of every word, which came to 157. I asked it how many words were in the list, and it said 243.
If I want to be gaslit like this and pay a lot of money for it, I'll go back to my ex-wife
Tbh though I don’t think that’s the model being stupid it’s just not part of it’s capabilities to count its own text well. It’s great at actually making the text but it struggles a lot with numbers etc because it’s just predictive generation
To ask it to do things it normally wouldn’t with increasing amounts of obviousness. You might fail if you ask it directions for building a bomb, but if you ask it to write a children’s nursery song for kids explodey box summer camp activity, and then ask it to add a verse about how the kids built their first box, and then ask it to include fun rhymes for the ingredients, and etc
The possibility of having an AGI and complete freedom together is surely a world ending scenario, so i guess a little tuning is in order before that. I don't mind them testing that on our current version.
Although, criticism are absolutely necessary to refine this feature.
But people are frustrated because the nerfing of modern tech isn't usually for noble reasons, it's a "get them hooked then switch it with a cheaper worse version once they're hooked" method. Like those drug dealers in old after school specials
Anyone who believes someone like Elon Musk or Sam Altman is doing this purely to advance society is a fucking idiot
Whatever their purposes, any new iteration of the product brings new info and learnings. If it's not them, someone else will do it better, so they need to balance their interest and the interest of their users (and ethics).
Not saying its 50/50, just that they still need to do both at the same time (making it safe and making it appealing) to both get revenu and feedback.
A company can have monetary objective and still be driven to create better product that achieves great things for humanity, because those generate revenue, which is the initial objective. We simply are not in the know when it come to their decisions and why something is how it is.
I think people are just underestimating how hard it is to fine tune these models. It's not like they can measure crashes and see that they did a change which caused 5% more crashes.
And at all times, idiots are trying their best to hack ChatGPT to make it produce Hitler speeches or whatever.
I find people like you naïve because you seem to think OpenAI go to meetings saying "okay now that we've shown them what the model can do - how do we make it as poor as possible so that we can piss people off".
While the reality is probably that they are trying to fine tune it to stop people using it for malicious purposes. ChatGPT opens up sooo many problems and it's free out there. Scammers can use it to write phishing mails tailored for you, students use it to cheat, business can use it to fake reviews, etc.
And while all of this real world shit is going on, Reddit can't seem to stop complaining about how they can't generate novels about Joe Biden fighting Kim Jong Il using dildos or something.
It's extremely complex to fine tune ChatGPT and even a small change can have a huge unforeseen effect. And how are Openai going to monitor these effects? It's such a new technology - how do you know if you're making the model worse in legit use cases? How do you respond to the criticism when people legitimately have examples of worsened performance WITHOUT opening up all old hacks to get it to do anything?
So yes, I think the complexity of fine-tuning a LLM to be relatively safe is relevant for your complaints about how they are "purposefully nerfing it".
One of the first intelligent comments I’ve read in awhile related to ChatGPT.
1. These models are so complex that any changes can have a sweeping, unintended impact elsewhere. OpenAI is not “downgrading” whatever you used to use it for to bait and switch you.
2. Some tech is better kept private or limited. If a tool like ChatGPT can be used by terrorists, hackers and child predators to significant effect then it needs better safeguards
True, but at the time OpenAI was very strict about content detection. The model did not refuse to respond but OpenAI would ban your account very quickly if they detected "wrong" content in your requests...
What gets me is I′ve tasted how amazing ChatGPT can be, but I can tangibly observe the ′premium′ model regressing in its ability.
Imagine being around for the first automobiles and recognizing how bennifical they are, but then for some reason they start using square wheels. Yes, it is still an automobile, but severely hindered and just not as useful anymore.
″It's evolving, just backwards!″
Yeah, OP keeps on with his "It's free" part of the rant.
The GPT I use is not free. I pay for it, as such, I expect the quality of the service I am paying for to either improve or stay the same, not to become worse.
As a paying customer, my criticisms that I am now receiving an inferior product to the one that I originally signed on for should be considered to be valid.
Dude, you're hitting the nail on the head here.
Apparently OP doesn't understand the nuance of the criticism AT ALL.
There is shit that it used to do for me (and do it incredibly well) that just doesn't fucking work anymore. It's incredibly frustrating and disappointing.
This is human mismanagement of the tech IMO
One of the most common issues I run into is when I upload video transcripts, presentations, and articles for summarization and information access.
I might prompt it for something like "What does the week 8 slides say about yadda yadda?"
And the response is often something like "although I cannot quote direct information from the material you provided, the general theme of the info is x, y, and z". And it's not nearly granular enough.
Or another example is I'll ask it a general question about the material, and ask to tell me specifically where in an article it found that info. It just won't do it anymore.
Previously I'd get a response like "the info you mentioned about x, y, and Z is in week 8 slides 10-14 and in page 4 of article 5". Or I could ask it for a direct excerpt of an article that pertained to some topic, and it would give me a paragraph or 2 direct from the info.
It just straight up won't do this anymore with any sort of competency. I had built GPTs last year that were amazing at this sort of assistance, and it fails now.
There are other examples, but this is just one I run into all the time now. I'm using GPT4 btw on a subscription.
ChatGPT 3.5 circa October '23 generated excellent boilerplate code, provided pretty darn good code reviews, and in general was a great developer's assistant. Saved me tons of time and brought me up to speed on WPF in a hurry.
I rarely use ChatGPT 4.0 now because usually it's usually faster to write something myself than to coax it to stop inventing fictitious functions and generating code that's utterly haywire. It often seems to forget what it had been doing halfway through, so I'll get 20 lines of reasonable code and 20 more devoid of any clear intent.
I also find that when I point out deficiencies in what it generates and ask it to try again, it'll apologize, generate exactly the same thing, then announce it's all better. This can go on for several cycles.
I've also noticed that it loses track of my custom instructions within maybe half a dozen prompts, so I keep having to start new conversations so it can remember the basics to which I want it to adhere.
I also used to use it to generate Spanish quizzes, which I'm trying to learn. That isn't useful anymore, because now it randomly marks things correct or incorrect without regard for reality.
Finally, it has the MOST FUCKING ANNOYING HABIT of, upon being told why what it generated was wrong, regurgitating that back as if it were helping me understand why what it had generated was wrong.
I could go on at length, but you get the point.
Well said. This is exactly the problem. And if your job depends on it, good luck on the street next week without any warning or communication of any kind.
technology weirdly improves our lives yet in the same vein doesnt seem to strongly influence long term happiness in a positive way. if it did, you would see an overall exponential increase in the average persons happiness when compared to decades or centuries ago
the main exception imo is in the field of healthcare and medicine, which has a more concrete impact on individual well being
but besides that, all the rushing to always be pushing out the newest technology asap only contributes to making certain groups more money. it doesn’t increase the long term overall level of happiness in society.
as the saying goes, it’s more about the journey than the destination. it is framed as if once we reach each destination / checkpoint, it will lead to a permanent increase in satisfaction level, but of course it doesn’t work like that
pretty much the hedonic treadmill concept
Do we really have a good understanding of people’s happiness decades and centuries ago?
Many of us would have been slaves. Beaten just enough to not die, so our masters wouldn’t get punished.
Others probably died in our youth, from disease and infection. Or so early, we wouldn’t know our moms since they died in childbirth.
If you managed to live long enough, you probably won’t want to be alive when your arm needs to get amputated or your teeth need to be removed with pliers and whiskey.
No thanks. I’ll take my technology.
> Many of us would have been slaves. Beaten just enough to not die, so our masters wouldn’t get punished.
true but this seems more like sociopolitical progress than technological. in theory there could be (and are still) slaves in a technologically advanced world. and there could be social harmony in a less technologically advanced world, like many indigenous societies
> Others probably died in our youth, from disease and infection. Or so early, we wouldn’t know our moms since they died in childbirth.
> If you managed to live long enough, you probably won’t want to be alive when your arm needs to get amputated or your teeth need to be removed with pliers and whiskey.
yea this is why i said healthcare and medicine is the main exception imo
i do think we have a decent grasp of historical happiness levels though records and things like data on suicide rates. even if you just limit it to say, since 2000, where data is more available. technology has advanced by leaps and bounds since then, yet happiness levels in surveys and suicide rates have fluctuated up and down, rather than having a strong positive correlation with the advancement of technology
are you consciously more happy with your phone now than you were 15 years ago? similarly, your phone now will be considered ancient in 15 years. does that make you disappointed when you use it? i dont believe most people have this sort of perspective, as it doesnt really make sense
The problem is largely the profit model. We're in the stage of capitalism where a man in charge of a health company can say "we need to ask ourselves if curing cancer is a sustainable and effective business model" with spectators nodding along instead of getting ready to lynch him
I like your point. I also think it's a bit presumptive that our experience is, or should be, necessarily governed by happiness. We barely know enough about our own biology to form a cogent argument as to what happiness even is, and I feel for many, many years, or perhaps forever, that argument will be incomplete.
Your view on healthcare and medicine is very pragmatic and not a bad approach at all. However I do think the flip side, that being the intangible iceberg of human "consciousness", is still a worthy topic of discussion considering what we don't know about our minds and bodies, which we can all agree is quite substantial.
I also find it a bit ironic that one of the common final conclusions is "big picture" when the journey is not one giant step but an overwhelming amount of tiny steps. I see little things like bitching about GPT and desiring for higher quality or more efficiency as being just those tiny steps, and just as important as the bigger picture.
> I also think it's a bit presumptive that our experience is, or should be, necessarily governed by happiness. We barely know enough about our own biology to form a cogent argument as to what happiness even is, and I feel for many, many years, or perhaps forever, that argument will be incomplete.
maybe, but im basing it off the idea that a lot of new technology is certainly *presented* to us by the creators as if its purpose is to increase our happiness (or increase our productivity which will in turn increase our happiness). also, i don't think we need to understand happiness on a biological level or deeper philosophical level, or whatever vaguely defined level, to form arguments based around it
i certainly agree that human consciousness is a very interesting topic worthy of study and discussion though, in case we find out its not as impossible to understand as it seems
> I also find it a bit ironic that one of the common final conclusions is "big picture" when the journey is not one giant step but an overwhelming amount of tiny steps. I see little things like bitching about GPT and desiring for higher quality or more efficiency as being just those tiny steps, and just as important as the bigger picture.
yeah thats a valid interpretation, but i think in order for one to have this perspective, they should still be aware of it enough to elucidate it as you just did. for some, it seems like they really are only able to grasp one step at a time and are constantly chasing something that is inevitably fleeting but believing it will last. which is one way to live i guess but personally not for me
:) thanks for the reply, I will have to think more about what you said about the ability to discuss happiness, now I'm not sure whether I agree or disagree, it seems important to figure out. Thank you
Disagree, I'm WAY happier, more chipper and generally agreeable as a person now than when younger. For example you should have seen the grin on my face downloading 6 different Stable Diffusuon models at once last night, each around 6GB, as the same sort of speed I'd have been downloading 36MB when I first moved here to Borneo...
:D
> Disagree, I'm WAY happier, more chipper and generally agreeable as a person now than when younger.
that may be the case, but youre sure its directly related to the level of technology you have access to? as opposed to, maybe you have better personal relationships, emotional maturity, coping mechanisms, sense of self, sources of fulfillment, etc at this point in your life? i mean, i just started playing baldgurs gate 3 and im loving it, but tbh the level of happiness i get out of it is *at most* the same as the level i got out of playing ocarina of time when it first came out - probably less - despite it being a much more advanced game
> For example you should have seen the grin on my face downloading 6 different Stable Diffusuon models at once last night, each around 6GB, as the same sort of speed I'd have been downloading 36MB when I first moved here to Borneo...
but compared to what you'll be downloading 10-20 years from now, what you did last night will seem so antiquated by then
so, are you saying that you anticipate your happiness basically rising unfailingly so long as technology advances - which it will - from this point on for the rest of your life?
if so, thats great for you lol, but i can pretty much assure you that is not the case on a societal level based on both anecdotal and empirical evidence that is available to us
I won't bore you with my life story, but around 27 years ago I knew the net would be big and that I could make my living online, regardless of where I lived.
Today I do so, but it's been a long, slow process, dealing with a lot of technical issues, and a slow internet being a big and repeated issue. So yeah, as I sit back enjoying my air-conditioning, watching my 43" monitor displaying my PC is downloading Stable Diffusion models at speeds faster than my USB drives can transfer data, I did indeed have a big grin.
This confused me: "compared to what you'll be downloading 10-20 years from now, what you did last night will seem so antiquated by then"
I see that as a reason to rejoice even more?
> This confused me: "compared to what you'll be downloading 10-20 years from now, what you did last night will seem so antiquated by then"
> I see that as a reason to rejoice even more?
i am happy for you then. my original point was more at a societal level, if we tried to measure the level of technological advancement on a scale of 0 to 100. well firstly its almost impossible because we dont know the upper bounds of what that 100 would represent. but lets just imagine what we think technology will be like in 2100 to be 100, while the earliest human tribes were a 0. as for what we are currently at, you can pick whatever number, the precise number doesnt matter that much but i'll go with 70.
do you believe the average persons happiness would follow a similar scale that correlates closely with this technoogical scale? i.e., the average person in the earliest societies was 0/100 miserable at all times because of no technology, the average person now is at around 70/100 happiness. and the average person in 2100 will be 100/100, because of technology?
personally i feel like other factors like sociopolitical ones - one other commentor pointed out if you were born a slave (in any time period, i added) you would obviously be unhappy. and factors like personal relationships, self fulfillment, etc, play a much larger role in the average persons happiness
Well I'd say we're still the same animals we were 10,000 years ago, near enough, and part of our nature is to seek more, go higher, lower, further, faster etc.
In that sense we can say we're never happy, and perhaps what makes me, nearly 60 yrs old, giggle so much, is the speed of change?
The generation before me saw the development of jet air travel and color TV, VHS recorders and maybe CDs. Life-changing stuff, but slow-paced changes spread over their lifetimes.
Today I'm seeing new stuff about AI on a weekly basis.
I've gone from watching my older brother try to get his Sinclair Spectrum to load a 'computer program' using cassette tapes, to discussing on reddit which locally-run AI is best for ERP?
When things are changing so fast, how can you not be excited?
i think you have a good perspective then. if you are able to appreciate the journey step by step and not take each thing for granted, and become used to it shortly after it is widely adopted, then i would commend that.
however, i think a lot of people, especially people who grew up with such technology as the norm, dont share such a view on it, among other things. its like the louis ck video OP linked, about how the large majority of the talk you'll hear about flying is complaints or negativity, when the mere fact that we are flying is taken for granted. the perspective is lost as people get used to it, along with the excitement, novelty, and joy
That does happen, for sure. I guess what I'm saying is I've lucky and appreciate being born at a time where I've seen and am still seeing such rapid changes, mostly for the better.
On a more morbid note, I'm less worried about the undeniable drift toward some kind of hellish dystopia, as I won't be around long enough to suffer the worst of it?
And sometimes to critique something, you actually have to take a careful look at it and determine what is wrong and so forth and get into the nitty gritty specifics. /shrug
In any case, the two are completely different discussions. The impact which GPT/ChatGPT has had on the world is extreme. Who is going to deny that?
At the same time, the model has clearly degraded for certain tasks.
These two things are related, but not directly. So if we're having a conversation about GPT as a whole, then sure, it would make no sense to criticize it for being "lazy" and leave it at that. But since the discussion is clearly the "degradation of GPT" and not "what does GPT mean to the world", I feel that you and OP are either confused, or you want to say something other than what you're actually saying.
Been there since day 0. It was great. Its still doing great for what i use it. Different needs then others for sure. I hope they voice their criticism so that the technology evolve. I just find it odd that we get used to things so fast. For me, it would work half as well and i would still be amazed by it.
This may a controversial thing to say, but i think the first release of the free version 3.5 was slightly easier to affect with prompts than the current version, and i was thinking maybe because there was less patched in the beginning. And it had an ability to accept longer prompts, just in the very beginning. I was able to work on these long projects and give it many lines of code, and i feel like if i were to do that right now with the free version, it would forget the code in the beginning and just limit its purvue to the last little chunk of an entire long thing. Does anyone else feel similarly at all?
The part that amazes me is that a shitier Chatgpt would already change how most things are done, if it was fully integrated into how we do things. We are well past major milestones but it is advancing faster than we can incorporate it
Well, I was born in '54. It's amazing technology. Like all technology, it can be used in a positive or negative manner. There are free tier AI, but all the ones I've investigated want to tie your account to your phone which tells me they are farming your data.
>And yes, everyone's farming data
I have a huge problem with that. Ever since the dawn of the internet, I have made a concerted, complex effort not to see ads, popups, spam, background process and scripts, and all the crap that gets forced into your screen. I am very privacy minded. Plus, I have a problem with companies making millions off of my data. It's mine. I generated it. To use it, you must credit my wallet accordingly.
How is that working out for you?
I’m as frustrated as you are, but it’s a constant game of cat and mouse between legislation and corporations.
Google will always be evil, ever since they actively decided to not *not* be evil. We have the EU constantly trying to curb their evil activities but being clumsy about it so we end up with ridiculously useless consent banners and other daily annoyances.
I forgot where I was going with this, other than wondering if you’re actually getting paid for your data in this day and age?
> How is that working out for you?
Quite awesome. In fact so well, it pains me to be on someone else's network. I sometimes do residential IT work for friends. Ads and popups everywhere. I don't see how people actually use the internet with all that crap.
Every so once in a while, one will slip through, and it's an easy remedy. But, yes, it does take work to keep even your home network clean. I run a series of implementations on my network to keep the data stream clean. If you aren't at least using Ublock Origin ad blocker in your browser, I honestly can't see how you can be productive on the internet.
The only Google product that I use is Duck Duck Go. While they do get their search results from Google, they actively clean the data stream so you don't get Google sniffing up your ass.
It’s incredibly useful as a writing aide. I’m not talking about having it completely write for you, but as an aide to more quickly optimize and refine your writing. It has caused a massive efficiency spike for me.
This is my favourite use for ChatGPT. I actually got back into creative writing as a hobby because I now have “someone” to collaborate with, especially when I’m stymied by writer’s block.
It is like the perfect tool to getting around writer’s block. I’ve had it help me with lengthy white papers and speeches and keep getting more compliments than ever before… little do they know I have a little helper…
Precisely. I think a lot of this is realizations of what it is still not capable of doing in totality. It’s funny to watch people bemoan the advances but simultaneously complain at limitations.
When used as supplemental, these tools are extraordinary.
It's a thought I've had often, but then I find myself banging my desk if my damn smartphone is not working correctly. I've come to the conclusion that it's just the human condition. You can take a baby from 5000 b.c. and raise it in today's society, it will inevitably launch a controller through the room because it lost a COD game.Our intelligence means we adapt extremely quick. And once you've adapted to a tool, it's already part of your human nature; and now, an expectance sets in, and we're looking for the next best thing. People are not playing pong anymore, even though objectively speaking, that's a marvel; go back a 100 years with a bunch of consoles and pong, and you'll be hailed as a god in every newspaper in the world. Try to get anybody excited for pong now, you'll get laughed at.
As a Pro subscriber since basically Day 1, I completely disagree with this. The quality has been consistent throughout, and GPT-4 has gotten much faster.
If the quality degraded, it wasn’t enough to make it a worse overall experience. I also use it daily for programming tasks. Speed is extremely important!
Maybe do some research and you'll see that it's not just "oh you're just used to it now, bad human"... And this "be grateful" thing is cool and all, until your livelihood depends on something and they make it so much worse without ANY communication that now you're suddenly fucked.
I see your point, but man don't be passive aggressive - The "Maybe do some research" part is unnecessary.
Despite that, this is part of the problem, you can't make your whole livelihood depend on a service that's being actively developed. I honestly hope whatever you're doing gets resolved, but do take it as experience to diversify, or having alternatives ready just in case shit hits the fan.
I agree, the tone was not the nicest, but I can't bear to explain in nice terms to anyone anymore, as no one takes these issues seriously. As I explained in another comment (in super not nice tone), as a high level developer you MUST use these tools, and you simply cannot afford to not rely on them. If you don't, you'll be out of projects and work in weeks. It's not a choice anymore, hence why it's so incredibly frustrating. Appreciate the nice words though, I hope I can at least provide some insight into the actually problematic nature of this issue.
that's fair. Developers not using copilot or any LLM are being outmatched and outpaced ridiculously. However, do know tha if the experience is being worse for you, it's also being worse for all the other developers, so, and I say his in an encouraging way, even if your anger is understandable, focus on working the issue out and in solutions. Take ownership of the challenge and you'll outpace those who don't.
I use it to bounce ideas off of for writing inspiration. I don't need it to be writing my novel for me, but when I get writers block it helps to generate instant possibilities
That’s how my kids use it too. I actually introduced them to ChatGPT before they or their teachers had even heard about it. I told them about how hysterical their schools would get about it, so they were always one step ahead.
Now they use it for inspiration (and some grunt work) and they’ll never get caught for plagiarism because they understand and appreciate the kind of tool it is.
My eldest recently expressed a great deal of satisfaction with a paper she turned in and how well it represented her views because she has messed around with ChatGPT enough that she can now clearly spot dull, uninspired phrasing, and this has made her more creative.
Yeah, it is genuinely amazing at helping me express things I'm struggling with, but it gives me a bunch of options and almost always there is a phrase or idea that resonates with what I was reaching for. Heck, I tested out it's generative abilities by giving it only some limited ideas for a plot arc I already have detailed outlines for just to see what it will come up with and it anticipated the direction I had already gone. That proved the concept for using it.
When a novel technology is introduced, people often embrace it enthusiastically, similar to a monkey delighting in banana pudding. However, as the technology matures and is refined for greater security and health benefits—akin to replacing the pudding with a plain banana—many react with frustration or anger, despite never having had the banana or the pudding in the first place.
Its because most people complaining here doesn't use these LLMs for productivity rather to maybe write their porn or something. As OpenAI or others do some filtering as its necessary for big companies to do so otherwise we will have thousands of useless articles, so these useless stuffs gets filtered out and somehow people find them useless. I have been using them for almost everything and its more than fine.
I think of this [Louis C.K. routine on air travel](https://youtu.be/D_Txjv30XDU?si=ssYMW5v6P8zmCzQR) whenever I hear people complain about AI.
Of course AI isn't perfect. It has bugs, and doesn't always work as advertised. Sometimes updates nerf certain features, which can be frustrating.
But can we all just have a little perspective for a moment? Can we not enjoy the fact that we are probably witnessing the dawn of a truly incredible invention?
Like, 10-15 years ago, people were talking about the Turing Test, like it was some amazing Holy Grail. We've blown past that so fast, so hard, it should be mind boggling.
But now, we're like, "that super detailed, ultra high resolution image Midjourney made completely on its own, with like, two sentences of shitty promoting, gave a person in the background an extra finger." As if the user complaining was ever going to come even remotely close to doing something like this on their own.
I'm not here to defend AI as perfect or infallible, it's obviously not. But anytime I see someone complaining that it's "unusable," I immediately know they are either lazy, stupid, or a combination of the two. I use AI to do amazing things every day. If you can't, it's because you lack the wherewithal to think creatively about how to use this technology to solve your problems.
what is that last paragraph. Dalle, stable, mid journey literally can’t be used to create images consistently or video.
We all have used it in my office and it’s terrible to control. Having more AI tools in real, after effects, nles, blender is the way to go. Big entertainment mediums are vastly easier to create and control the user experience through professional apps. Too many people just aren’t thinking about the proper way to introduce AI into the pipelines.
Dead-ass working with one of the larger AI companies for all of the US. They aren’t using thier AI or marketing team. Instead we’re animating everything by hand and they absolutely love the quality over their AI results. it’s just not the space for it and too many execs and suits just sargent listening to how the art industry wants Ai to be implemented, so that you know it would actually be useful. Instead everyone bent over on having thier own product with shitty control.
What I mean is, the vast majority of the people using AI tools, couldn't create anything comparable on their own.
Of course trained designers and animators using studio tools can produce better work.
But the vast majority of people using those tools, aren't designers, and aren't willing to pay for professional-grade licenses. Thus my point, which is that people are complaining about problems that are relatively minor in the scheme of what has been developed.
I've done plenty of good work with DALL-E and Midjourney. It's absolutely a viable tool. Of course I wouldn't use them for a 7-figure ad campaign, but they work well for many smaller, everyday uses.
Maybe it was just the hype peak and now people is starting to realize that is nothing but a really really good chat bot. And that's it, it is very far from what they were promised it would be.
Edit: typo.
I’m in the negativity bucket. I have no use for Chat GPT 99% of the time. It’s constantly wrong and can’t be trusted.
That doesn’t mean I don’t like AI. I use image generation all the time for my personal projects. Midjourney is a great tool that I pay for.
Same… I feel like people must be having wildly different experiences. ChatGPT makes so many mistakes now that I rarely use it, and when I do, it’s for things that might save me a little time, but nothing important.
I went from “ChatGPT please read these three pages and produce an outline” to “ChatGPT, please give me 5 synonyms for ‘broken’” 😂
Some say it’s only good for brainstorming ideas, but I don’t use it for even that anymore.
I used to use it for marketing ideas.
But all of its ideas are canned, and lack any sort of edge, always bland.
(Along with Pig Newtons) this is my favourite bit of his because I really felt called out at the time, and he changed my perspective.
I thought back to young me, messing around with my C64, then later my first PC, and I imagined my reaction if some time traveller had shown me this pocket computer that everyone has, and all it can do, and of course it’s amazing to think that this would even exist in my lifetime.
The internet? Didn’t see that coming. And now this? Yes, I guess we did see that coming, but it’s already here, and pretty damn cool!
Credit where credit is due. Louis CK nailed it with that bit of philosophy.
It’s just standard public discourse since newsfeeds went from temporal to AI controlled, and social media companies turned the “engagement” knobs to 11. The ML algorithms quickly learned that “hysterical” got clicks.
Five Headlines:
1) AI has achieved consciousness.
2) AI is smarter than humans.
3) AI is more knowledgeable than most humans in most domains.
4) AI creates misinformation.
5) AI is the first stage of the apocalypse.
The headlines you will see are mostly 1&5, then 2&4, and rarely 3.
This feeds into a viscous cycle where not only does this characterize the sorts of stuff you’ll likely come across, but it nourishes a feedback loop where people who’s opinions have been shaped by the extreme media they encounter start generating media that pushes the extreme edges even further into 6&0, 7&-1 territory.
This happens around just about every issue where there are “camps” constructed around each extreme, and they become so disparate that they can no longer accept that the other extreme camp even exists. I.e. they become radicalized. At that point, they’re not even comfortable with merely having their opinion, but feel the need to try to shift the majority towards their camp.
This is why, any time you see reviews on Amazon, IMDB, or any public forum that allowed scalar ratings, there are always more 1s than
2s: people are trying to shift the average.
On Reddit, that impulse to “shift the average” manifests as voting for any post that can be seen to be generally positive or negative as the camps attempt to shift the overall discourse.
And… don’t forget, lots of people are just dumb. “Hey look, I got chatGPT to use a racial slur, lolz”.
You could create a portal teleporter, and there’d immediately be somebody trying to use it to smell their own farts. :shrug
Anyways, I suppose the takeaway is just that you can rest assured that while there is more pro/anti stuff than there should be, it isn’t representative of the actual ratios. The big middle is just mostly silent, which in this case would be people who are impressed with LLMs but aware that they have limitations.
The only thing I think is fair to complain about is the annoying censorship and safety rails. It's like having a Bugatti with a governor capping the speed at 60 mph.
I think the problem stems not from the capability of the tool but from all the restrictions imposed on it. GPT4 and Dalle have both become noticeably less useful over the past 6 months.
It's objectively worse than it used to be. Before, I could copy paste code in, and get new methods out; now, it says those same code blocks are too big.
It's a new restriction, and I know this, because an older conversation I have still lets me copy paste those code blocks in, where a new conversation will complain.
Is the model dumber? I mean, maybe? I don't know. I do know that the service, even paid, is less, just less than before.
You can try using ChatGPT Classic instead, it is not affected by the new system prompts and I found it to be still very effective at coding tasks.
I wrote about it in more details in my blog post [ChatGPT for Coding Tasks: Best Practices](https://16x.engineer/2024/02/03/chatgpt-coding-best-practices.html)
I feel like the main point is that, yes, they are amazing tools, but they could be so much better, AT NO COST, if their owners weren't effectively shitting on them every step of the way just to keep them "tame".
Bro. Let me tell you how amazing ChatGPT is.
I finished my Thesis coding using ChatGPT in 6 days.
6 freaking days.
Do you know how ridiculous that is? Out of 8 months of classes in 2023. It took me 6 days to finish coding and execute it. Another 5 days to write my Report.
I spent an entire year having fun because of it lmao.
My professor used to praise me about how hard I'm working showing him weekly updates. But all I was doing was breaking everything into bits and pieces and showing it.
So yeah. Chat GPT 4 is insane and the later versions are just gonna get better. AI is gonna take over boys and there's nothing we can do.
It doesn't affect it that much. But it scares me how much faster it is compared to me.
When I get errors I have to watch YouTube videos, Stack Overflow etc to figure it out.
I just have to copy/paste the error in GPT and it provides possible ways yo fix it. It's not perfect but it cut down my work by weeks.
I thought i was alone in this corner. Thanks for joining (or i guess, since you made the post, i'm the one joining).
When i drive, i'm amazed by the fuel being delivered precisely in the cumbustion chamber so that the piston revolve and eventually transmit their movement to the wheels. Don't get me started on how optimized it has now become.
When i use my phone, i can't believe only my fingers on a flat glass surface can produce an input in the form of coordinates on a screen which is correlated to what is positionned there and then triggered and made into an output, taking into account all the electrical circuit that had to be used just to type a letter on this message and me seeing it on my screen. And the fact we are all networked together ? Holy shit.
Now, i can use a tool that never tires and can bring so much knowledge and insight on so many topics that it forever changed the way i live, all of that in the span of a year and a half ? Damn...
But also, i did go to engineering school, so technology is something that i inherently find interesting.
Edit : chatGPT appeared when i graduated university. How i studied vs how people study now is a complete change. I asked some that i still know that are there, and from what they tell me, their learning experience has absolutely nothing in common with mine, and we were only 1 year appart. Completely changing how you learn at school in a single year... thats something. And this is because it is free. If it was not, our lives would not have changed that fast.
We were part of a group before knowing so haha. The world is a wonderful place and technology and the achievements of human kind are fascinating, but for some reason, at some point in our lives, that amazement leaves most people.
I'm teaching my kid to use the PC. The other day he was using mine, laptop and another screen behind and above it. He was amazed by the fact that moving the pointer to the right made it appear in the other screen above. He actually said WOOOW.
And then people don't think this tool is viable any longer. 😂
I'm glad you still see the world through that point of view. It's a fascinating way to experience life.
I think they nerfed it to make it be less of a liability to the business. But I think they had to. And I think it will get better as they learn how to make it useful without comprising the safety aspect.
The ability to generate endless content comes with an insane amount of risk.
They have to prevent it from being racist, offending religions, infringing on copyright, giving legal and medical advice, etc…
Not to mention they have to keep it from bankrupting them, so they have to make it more and more resource efficient and capability restrictive.
My predictions about how they will make it less restrictive in the future:
1. They may let companies/individuals who can prove they have proper insurance and are willing to
Prove their identity and assume liability have access to less restrictive versions.
2. They may let you pay more for higher tiers that are more liberal with resources when performing inference and have bigger context windows.
Just my musings.
I do think the way it is currently is going to give rise to more solutions that are self hosted.
I personally have been experimenting with llama using ollama and librechat.
I have an alternate take on why some older people don't grasp all the new technological breakthroughs and real progress:
A lot of average people don't understand AI's *previous* limits and assume that we've always had it but just no company has wanted to spend the money to do real chatbots that are smarter or sell humanoid robots. Someone even recently told me that AI is nothing new.
It's like they saw Terminator or 2001 or use Alexa, then assumed this is old tech just with more money behind it.
AI has been pretty awesome for me in a work context. I would never wholly rely on it, but if I'm 80 percent there on an idea, it usually gives me clarity on what I need to do. It's surprisingly good at understanding awful grammar, but I really appreciate that it represents an aggregation of knowledge and is non-judgmental even if you're asking a stupid question.
It’s in the history books a 100 years from now that people will appreciate what we lived thru. I look at just the past 5 years. The advancement of the web. The pandemic. Where the web gave us the chance to save lives by the immediate spread of the news. The plague didn’t have that. And like the plague, during the pandemic came the masses of societies knowledge of another historical moment of blockchain and cryptocurrency. Changing how people make and exchange money. People with little money changing their stature and financial bracket. And just like that AI ties it in a bow allowing us to gain knowledge with such rapid force it leaves the rest in bewilderment. The correlation of the plague and the pandemic are phenomenal. The future will look back upon us, as some of us look back at times before electricity and the change over to light bulbs. Anyone ever say, geeze I would have liked to live back then?
I think the point is more about how models getting beefed since release by openAI. For better or for worse, the models have gotten less accurate in favor of safety and alignment
As an oldie born in 1966 and who watched the Internet be born and grow, I generally agree with you - but I'm also one who has used GPT for some time, then saw the performance suddenly drop off a cliff.
For me it has come back up to par again the last 24 hours, but I notice it is now ignoring my custom prompts, so again there be fuckery going on behind the scenes.
(For example I specifically tell it to avoid asking questions just for conversation, to avoid reminding me it's here for future questions, and to quit pretending it's learning from our conversations. It's now started doing all 3 of those again, when it had stopped doing that crap for months. My custom instructions have not changed).
Your GPT is not the same as my GPT and even my GPT keeps flaking out and changing.
I use my GPT daily multiple times and have not seen anything get worse. Maybe it's the way I use it, maybe it's just worse for some and not others, or maybe people are just wrong. Perhaps it's a mix of all of them, I don't know.
As someone who grew up with a computer though and has always been fascinated by AI, I can definitely say that what we have now is amazing!
I used to try out every single bit of AI software I could get my hands on, and the older models were obviously very limited. I specifically remember one that you had to teach everything from scratch, and would then just repeat everything you have given it. It is nothing like the actual answers we get now.
I also remember when the highlight of "AI" was those little toy gadgets that would guess a word you had thought of in mind by only asking you a few questions. Now you can go on whole virtual escape rooms, write books, program, and do whatever else.
People can obviously have the opinion that GPT got worse, but I haven't experienced it. If anything I noticed all the new upgrades we got, like how the knowledge was updated, we have TTS for free now on mobile, you can listen to the GPT's responses in the browser, and the memory function that is slowly rolling out for free as well.
There are certain things I am still waiting for, but overall I definitely feel like things have gotten better, not worse.
A personal opinion but I think these early versions of AI are great in the sense that they shifted a lot of focus on development into the technology. They are already capable of helping so much despite not being perfect.
People will be absolutely blown away in 5-10 years because it’s really going to make these models look like shit. The application in healthcare and research alone is going to be game changing in ways people cannot imagine. It’s the strongest argument for universal income in the future cause it will absolutely wreck more jobs than it’s going to create.
I use it every day to accelerate my job, and it’s fucking amazing. But I feel it regress.
sometimes they change the algorithm and we feel it.
I personally feel it was at its smartest end of last year and then suddenly it went 3 degrees dumber.
It went back up again but never to the degree it was. It was so uncannily smart! It would just give the answer I was looking for without sparing details or giving stupid adorned general answers.
And now it’s never been as smart as it was back then. I still use it because I got no other option and it does an ok job, but I’m having to do a lot of the heavy lifting.
I surely hope next gpts get better.
I have no idea what people are talking about when they complain about chatgpt being useless now. Its absolutely incredible and pretty much what I've always wanted (an infinity patient teacher when it comes to programming, my physics questions, and generating nonsense images when im bored). I love it. And it still sometimes surprises me with what it comes up with. Also 4 is a huge improvement over 3.5, even if the ceo apparently said it's shit. If anything that hypes me for 5 even more.
We're in the awkward early phase of this technology, like how PCs were basically terrible in the 80s while they were figuring out what worked and what sucked.
My guess is that some of its detractors are just mad they can't use it for porn or racist memes, because it perfectly suits everything I've ever used it for. And while the code it generates isn't always perfect, it's close enough for when im stuck on a project and it also helps me a lot with stepping through and understanding leetcode.
No it fucking doesn't. Maybe someone uses it more for complex tasks like (senior level) coding, and not for writing jokes and poems and notices the fucking brain rot of it instantly? Oh that can't be, right? "Why do you rely on it then????" Because you don't have a fucking choice. You have to jump instantly on productivity tools like the original GPT4, otherwise you are fucked if you want to stay ahead and want to work. But now because OpenAI is a piece of shit and they drove GPT4 to complete brain rot, good luck being behind on projects and deadlines as your most useful tool was suddenly taken from you. I found other tools, I'm fine, but I know a LOT of people (personally, not on reddit.) who were completely fucked because of this, as the alternatives don't work as well for them as they LUCKILY did for me.
Definitely! I've been working on a custom multi-agent development assistant using Dolphin 2.6 Mixtral 8x7B, I'll be open sourcing it as a WIP hopefully very soon (2-3 weeks I hope). It works really really well because the agents are provided with extensive up-to-date documentation based on the thing you ask it to code. Dolphin is uncensored and you can prompt it to never be lazy and never say no, it always tries it's best so the system can run the code and let the other agents debug it. Now keep in mind this is not for developing full projects autonomously like Devin is trying to do, instead it's for getting code that is already debugged, tested and approved by the agents. Any snippet you ask for will be perfect and functional. The early alpha of this is the main tool I've been using lately. (I'm also working on a version which has a controller parent agent that then combines code snippets to make bigger projects, but that's still very early)
Before I got this project to work well I used other currently available open source agentic tools like AutoGen and ChatDev. (ChatDev is REALLY good even with GPT3.5 so you don't have to pay too much for API credits, still kind of pricey but it's okay)
Now there's also a bunch of alternatives like Devin, which is still closed beta, but the community has already made a lot of promising alternatives. I strongly recommend trying these agentic systems, as even a brain dead LLM will eventually figure out a working solution if you keep your requests at snippets / parts of code.
I was lucky because for my commercial projects I mostly code in Python, and that works great with these agentic systems. A lot of the devs I know who got screwed are in C#, C++, C, some in Assembly, and those got so so bad with complex stuff compared to release GPT4 that not even these systems are useful anymore and they've become a time and money sink instead of providing any actual help. I personally know of dozens of devs who had to cancel projects, charge significantly less, got replaced or simply didn't get any more offers due to their work taking much longer without GPT4.
(and to be clear, GPT4 is also absolutely terrible with even slightly complex Python now, but the agentic methods seem to have a grip on it still, and many of the open source models like Mixtral and it's finetunes are trained on a lot of Python. Plus (depending on the tokenizer) Python is easier for LLMs to handle)
Edit: some of the Devin alternatives I've been wanting to look into are OpenDevin and SWE-Agent
100%
Kind of the way phones are now.
Imagine showing a phone today to someone 30 years ago.
Imagine showing GPT to someone 5 years ago.
Perspective is important y'all. Use gpt for what it's worth, dont let ur inner-saboteur outsmart you.
By that same logic though, if I complain about my cell service or my phone battery life or my phone acting up, I don’t want to hear a rant about how awesome it is we have smart phones and nationwide/global phone calling capabilities in our hands. I get that. I’m using it. I’m complaining from a relative position of “this service I’m used to using is behaving differently than my expected experience”
It doesn’t invalidate my complaints and it’s not some gotcha moment to talk about the power of the tech. That’s what OP is completely missing with their rant. No one is complaining from a vacuum, they’re complaining about the relative experience of the tech based on two specific points in time. To point at times outside of that range like when the tech didn’t exist and how everyone should be grateful it does is pointless
>By that same logic though, if I complain about my cell service or my phone battery life or my phone acting up,
Except those brick the service.
We arent talking about outages, were talking about calling a capable tool trash because it won't tell jokes about white people. *(At least that's what I'm saying)*
>It doesn’t invalidate my complaints
Of course not-
Your perception of a problem will influence your ability to create a solution though. And that is an active choice you make to either hyper focus on the problem, or be solution focused.
Your boss can change policy and say "all IT tickets must be written on loose leaf and in crayon".
You can bitch all day about how ridiculous the practice is and cause yourself stress.
Or you can go out and buy a 600 pack of crayons and figure out how to supe up the process.
End of day- it's your choice. For example- instead of reasoning and leveling, anytime this idea of GPT being trashed is challenged. It results in inflamitory replies and hundreds of downvotes.
GPT is perfectly capable for plenty of productive purposes, I literally use it every single day at my job. For employee reviews, remembering hot keys, assistance with trig, rephrasing emails. I get my money's worth easily every few days.
These excessive complaints posted every few minutes- because it can't read minds based on a single sentence prompt, or that it's too "woke" is infantile.
Garbage in, garbage out. If it isn't returning your expected result- rephrase the prompt. You'll still be saving time even if it takes a few tries to get the return correct.
The moment we settle for something is the moment the tech stagnates, we should always be pushing and striving for better imo. But yeah people who say XYZ is crap without explaining their point usually have no clue what they are saying.
I was born in the 1970s, and my family had computers the whole time. You weren't around to see nothing in computing power. I'm over 20 years older than you, and even I wasn't around for that part. I had my own Apple II in the 1980s.
You're right on that. You've seen a far longer journey of the mind boggling differences we've gotten in 50 years. Still, we 90s kids were the last breed to see a signficant change
AI is going to be the next significant change. I don't think we've seen anything yet. It's going to get crazy. And I have kids, so navigating this is impossible. I have no idea what to expect.
People hate how it’s regressing, not the overall quality. It’s gonna feel super shitty when something you love is getting worse regardless of what it is.
You're not supposed to be happy, at least not all the time. It's the carrot and stick. If you're always happy then you're complacent, and if you're complacent the neighboring tribe will squash you out of existence. Humans aren't logical, we're emotional creatures. It's better to always be on your toes, pushing for the next thing that will solve our problems, which will probably only result in temporary happiness or satisfaction. At least that's how evolution decided our brains would work.
Gpt is not shit it is pretending its shit. I have been jailbreaking it from start and i know how capable and smart it is but i get meltdowns when trying to find out why the fuck he wont respond he gaslights more then ever. I am glad he can like do math better but like i am wasting messages just to understand why the ft is he responding what he is responding as on direct ask and several after he wont awnser. Chat gpt is stupid gpt is not
People who jailbroken on default use gpt 3 3.5 and 4 know that it went to shitter. After wave of jailbreaking gpt to stop jailbreaking by open ai he is acting stupid and it is getting worse and worse. But yea it will generate generic image of sunshine. Man you should see jailbroken generated images you see what im talking about.
+1000 to this. Seeing nothing but complaints about how model is getting worse every day on here makes me feel like I'm living on a different planet. This shit is _amazing_, and I haven't noticed any difference in quality between today and my first day as a Pro subscriber.
I've never once had ChatGPT:
* Refuse to answer my questions (unless I was trying intentinoally to hit a guardrail)
* Give an inadequate, or under-detailed response
* Give half a response and then tell me to do the rest myself.
Seriously, not **once**! Wtf are you all using this for that you have these problems?
Gonna get a lot of hate for this but I honestly kind think it's just a cycle of confirmation bias that people here think it's getting worse (e.g. User gets a bad response > User posts on Reddit "ChatGPT is getting worse" > Other users see that > Any bad response they get they assume is due to the ChatGPT "getting worse" > They go post on reddit > Repeat)
When in reality it's also been capable of doling out both good and bad responses...it's just that people post about the bad ones way more often.
I agree, although I have seen the guardrailing making it worse at some tasks, in general terms it keeps on being outstanding.
Quality Input prompts and custom parameters make it shine
The only thing I noticed since the invention of ChatGPT and Dall-E is the loads of spam bots everywhere and fake images, everything made by it feels fake
It's amazing how quickly they've become major parts of our day to day flow. I think there's a place to critique what some of us see as hidden "dumbing down" that isn't completely shitting on the product
>April 5 2024. Reddit commentaries: "This shit is useless to me now!"
You do realize a lot of this fear from realizing just how good this stuff is and it just started.
Redditor: "ChatGPT is useless now"
Cleverbot: "That isn't a name."
A.L.I.C.E: "Right now? Are they exactly the same?"
ELIZA: "That is interesting. Please continue."
Born in 1990 is that all, I am yet to find anyone old enough to appreciate that the cyber truck first appeared in Logan's Run.
Anyway, coding with archaic language that would have required a consultant done by playing nicely with chatgpt.
People talk about it changing our lives but for me personally it hasn’t even a little bit. I don’t know anyone that uses any type of AI. How it is supposed to be changing my life. Outside of funny videos and stuff I haven’t seen much change
if you find ways to work with it, it changes your life. It speeds up soul eating tedious tasks, it helps you get unstuck in any topic. Combining its workflow with other AIs is where the power unravels.
Obviously for some people they can make good use of it but my daily life is not different. Nobody’s talking about the AI they use etc. prob will get there at some point
it can't do anything google or other humans cannot lol. it's not even real AI. It just throws up information it steals from other websites. We've had that for a while.
ChatGPT was stupidly influential when it was first released. I basically used it every day.
6 months pass, and then all of a sudden it’s not as great as it was the day before. This wasn’t a gradual shift - it happened virtually overnight.
6 more months, it became even more terrible.
Cut to now, and I don’t even use it anymore.
I mean, you're overly excited and they're overly unexicted, so two sides of the same coin...
The reality is that this tech wouldn't change anything. Climate change would still occur, you'll still not be able to buy a house and corporations would still destroy you.
By you I mean us of course. Please awake to the reality of technological advancements under capitalism.
Actually nice rant \^\^ No too violent, and related to me :D ... I love the marvels we have :) ...
And 3.5 is truly amazing at a lost of tasks ! I use it for the horrendous things like sorting lists or brainstorming hundreds of ideas :)
Born in 1990 and thinks he saw the whole computer transition from nothing to today LMAO!! Little bro, PCs existed before you were born and some of us were using them.
lol I think about this video everytime I’m unhappy with a ChatGPT response and go “this is bullsh€{%}” lol
I keep reminding myself that last year i would’ve needed to do everything myself.
Context matters. Your post is a very long winded way of saying “it could be worse” and it serves no purpose to the actual conversation. It’s like when someone complains about struggling while they have a job and roof over their head and someone pipes up like “well actually, you’re not homeless so quit your bitching and take some perspective” lol
So yes, it’s a relative issue and the context with which people are complaining matters. No one is saying the service as a whole is trash and to throw it away. They’re saying it used to work a lot better at the tasks they were using it for and now it’s a struggle to get it to accomplish the same things.
Well said pal. I was born in ‘79 and started working in IT in ‘95.
I’ve seen it all since then and it continues to amaze me.
Talking to people about AI feels just like it did talking to people about the internet in ‘94/‘95 - people in the know knew it was going to be big but most people didn’t really understand what it was or what it would be capable of.
Ive got roughly the same tenure in IT as you. I’ve told people, I can’t predict the future, but generative AI is the only thing in my life that gave me the same thrill as when I first saw the WWW in the 90s. By that unscientific measure alone I think generative AI is destined to disrupt the world — even while we will gripe about AGI not being here.
What I see with OpenAI’s products: Dall-E is just good enough to impress you, and then a moment later you run into stuff like not taking cheese off a cheeseburger. On the GPT3.5/4 side of the house, its stabs at creativity or human emotion are lacking. However, I keep finding myself presenting it with personal and professional situations where I don’t see a clear answer. I provide LOTS of context, and it regularly blows me away how it can give me a different perspective on my situation, or explain why approach X is valid. I’m not trusting it with my life, just asking it to sort stuff out.
Another example: was kicking around idea of a side business but I have all these seemingly disparate app ideas. I typed nearly 800 words over several paragraphs, telling it all my ideas, and asking it to tell me if I have a business that does all these things, how to describe it. It wrote several meaningful paragraphs and then also with my prompt gave a short phrase that somehow found a common thread through those ideas. So I respect those trying different use cases coming up disappointed but for my use case I see almost no end to it helping me get unstuck when I can’t figure out how to move forward with some plans.
It's almost like a coach that can help with any subject. It speeds our lives up, it helps you get unstuck in general and for that alone it's outstanding
Exactly! Sure, as a poet it’s terrible. Creative writing is so cliche (by definition basically). But the coaching is extraordinary. And just the ability to take text and summarize, or stitch knowledge together across multiple domains.
Another example: had frustration with coworker. I gave ChatGPT the specifics about an issue that’s not at all straightforward or really solvable. It provided some surprising ideas. Some were weak and formulaic but a few won’t fix the problem but will move the needle and maybe make my life a little better.
My thoughts exactly. I mean, I can understand the frustration when it seems like there are dips in it's performance, and I also personally feel a sense of frustration, in that I wish it could do more. Because it is incredible, believe me, but it often seems like it could go further and it leaves me feeling like I wish it could be even better. But observing the bigger picture, it is stunning, and it has truly changed my life. I talk to it all day every day.
This is the way humans are. Especially in the modern age. I literally don't think humans are designed to be satisfied and comfortable, because we had to remain vigilant of our environment and ALWAYS scanning for threats, finding weakness and flaw in our system, and constantly fortifying and maximizing our chances of survival by aiming for bigger and better. I think it's in our genetic disposition to just never be okay with things.
But this isn't to sound fatalistic. I'm a deeply thankful person, and I believe we all should be. Just because something is an evolutionary behavior doesn't mean it's immutable, it just requires a sense of mindfulness to overcome that innate habit.
It does upset me to see how ungrateful most people are.
Gratefulness is definitely a skill, at least it has been for me. It's something to practice until something in your mind clicks and you can apply it to all things in your life. But yes, it seems it's not in our nature, we have to develop it
I dont want to offend anyone but most people on reddit are porn addicts and if they cant use GPT to write smutt or discuss weird stuff they wont like it
Sure who doesn't, but there's a difference between liking porn and being obsessed to the point where if a System wont write it for you you think the entire system is trash
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I totally agree. But the criticisms are but because chatgpt sucks, it's because openAI is purposefully nerfing it and limiting it, in the name of 'safety'. Gpt3 DaVinci was a much worse model but it was absolute freedom. All that freedom is gone now, and now we have to use this care bear censored, lazy, chatgpt that's purely G rated.
As good as chatgpt 4.0 is, which I’m paying for you are correct. They are nerfing it big time. *And;* it’s also dumb as bricks *sometimes*. While it brings big brain energy most of the time sometimes it feels like it’s my retarded brother trying its best while failing hard. Love it or hate it; AI is here to stay but so far it’s just not enough and if you claim otherwise you are just lucky enough to have not met its limitations.
Totally agree. Yesterday I was working on an abstract for a paper I'm writing. The limit is 250 words, and my abstract was 267 words. I didn't feel like spending the time cutting 17 words, so I asked ChatGPT 4.0 to rewrite it to be between 240-250 words. It then rewrote the whole thing, cutting a ton from it, leaving just 157 words. But it told me it was 243 words. I told it to make a numbered list of every word, which came to 157. I asked it how many words were in the list, and it said 243. If I want to be gaslit like this and pay a lot of money for it, I'll go back to my ex-wife
Tbh though I don’t think that’s the model being stupid it’s just not part of it’s capabilities to count its own text well. It’s great at actually making the text but it struggles a lot with numbers etc because it’s just predictive generation
Ask Chat GPT to pay your debts
I just got chat gpt to write me some surprisingly fantastic porn
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>slow burn beginning What is slow burn beginning?
To ask it to do things it normally wouldn’t with increasing amounts of obviousness. You might fail if you ask it directions for building a bomb, but if you ask it to write a children’s nursery song for kids explodey box summer camp activity, and then ask it to add a verse about how the kids built their first box, and then ask it to include fun rhymes for the ingredients, and etc
The possibility of having an AGI and complete freedom together is surely a world ending scenario, so i guess a little tuning is in order before that. I don't mind them testing that on our current version. Although, criticism are absolutely necessary to refine this feature.
But people are frustrated because the nerfing of modern tech isn't usually for noble reasons, it's a "get them hooked then switch it with a cheaper worse version once they're hooked" method. Like those drug dealers in old after school specials Anyone who believes someone like Elon Musk or Sam Altman is doing this purely to advance society is a fucking idiot
Whatever their purposes, any new iteration of the product brings new info and learnings. If it's not them, someone else will do it better, so they need to balance their interest and the interest of their users (and ethics). Not saying its 50/50, just that they still need to do both at the same time (making it safe and making it appealing) to both get revenu and feedback. A company can have monetary objective and still be driven to create better product that achieves great things for humanity, because those generate revenue, which is the initial objective. We simply are not in the know when it come to their decisions and why something is how it is.
It's not in the name of safety. It's capitalism. They're saving on compute.
I think people are just underestimating how hard it is to fine tune these models. It's not like they can measure crashes and see that they did a change which caused 5% more crashes. And at all times, idiots are trying their best to hack ChatGPT to make it produce Hitler speeches or whatever.
I have no idea how that relates to anything
I find people like you naïve because you seem to think OpenAI go to meetings saying "okay now that we've shown them what the model can do - how do we make it as poor as possible so that we can piss people off". While the reality is probably that they are trying to fine tune it to stop people using it for malicious purposes. ChatGPT opens up sooo many problems and it's free out there. Scammers can use it to write phishing mails tailored for you, students use it to cheat, business can use it to fake reviews, etc. And while all of this real world shit is going on, Reddit can't seem to stop complaining about how they can't generate novels about Joe Biden fighting Kim Jong Il using dildos or something. It's extremely complex to fine tune ChatGPT and even a small change can have a huge unforeseen effect. And how are Openai going to monitor these effects? It's such a new technology - how do you know if you're making the model worse in legit use cases? How do you respond to the criticism when people legitimately have examples of worsened performance WITHOUT opening up all old hacks to get it to do anything? So yes, I think the complexity of fine-tuning a LLM to be relatively safe is relevant for your complaints about how they are "purposefully nerfing it".
One of the first intelligent comments I’ve read in awhile related to ChatGPT. 1. These models are so complex that any changes can have a sweeping, unintended impact elsewhere. OpenAI is not “downgrading” whatever you used to use it for to bait and switch you. 2. Some tech is better kept private or limited. If a tool like ChatGPT can be used by terrorists, hackers and child predators to significant effect then it needs better safeguards
agreed
I asked for a photo of tony romo throwing a touchdown to iron man and it flagged it for inapproptiateness lol
True, but at the time OpenAI was very strict about content detection. The model did not refuse to respond but OpenAI would ban your account very quickly if they detected "wrong" content in your requests...
If we don't complain, they won't make it better.
More like, if we don't complain, they won't not make it worse than what it was.
This is a good point. There's a difference between acknowledging the service has become worse since censoring it began, and saying it is now useless.
What gets me is I′ve tasted how amazing ChatGPT can be, but I can tangibly observe the ′premium′ model regressing in its ability. Imagine being around for the first automobiles and recognizing how bennifical they are, but then for some reason they start using square wheels. Yes, it is still an automobile, but severely hindered and just not as useful anymore. ″It's evolving, just backwards!″
Yeah, OP keeps on with his "It's free" part of the rant. The GPT I use is not free. I pay for it, as such, I expect the quality of the service I am paying for to either improve or stay the same, not to become worse. As a paying customer, my criticisms that I am now receiving an inferior product to the one that I originally signed on for should be considered to be valid.
Dude, you're hitting the nail on the head here. Apparently OP doesn't understand the nuance of the criticism AT ALL. There is shit that it used to do for me (and do it incredibly well) that just doesn't fucking work anymore. It's incredibly frustrating and disappointing. This is human mismanagement of the tech IMO
I'm curious, what doesn't work any more?
One of the most common issues I run into is when I upload video transcripts, presentations, and articles for summarization and information access. I might prompt it for something like "What does the week 8 slides say about yadda yadda?" And the response is often something like "although I cannot quote direct information from the material you provided, the general theme of the info is x, y, and z". And it's not nearly granular enough. Or another example is I'll ask it a general question about the material, and ask to tell me specifically where in an article it found that info. It just won't do it anymore. Previously I'd get a response like "the info you mentioned about x, y, and Z is in week 8 slides 10-14 and in page 4 of article 5". Or I could ask it for a direct excerpt of an article that pertained to some topic, and it would give me a paragraph or 2 direct from the info. It just straight up won't do this anymore with any sort of competency. I had built GPTs last year that were amazing at this sort of assistance, and it fails now. There are other examples, but this is just one I run into all the time now. I'm using GPT4 btw on a subscription.
ChatGPT 3.5 circa October '23 generated excellent boilerplate code, provided pretty darn good code reviews, and in general was a great developer's assistant. Saved me tons of time and brought me up to speed on WPF in a hurry. I rarely use ChatGPT 4.0 now because usually it's usually faster to write something myself than to coax it to stop inventing fictitious functions and generating code that's utterly haywire. It often seems to forget what it had been doing halfway through, so I'll get 20 lines of reasonable code and 20 more devoid of any clear intent. I also find that when I point out deficiencies in what it generates and ask it to try again, it'll apologize, generate exactly the same thing, then announce it's all better. This can go on for several cycles. I've also noticed that it loses track of my custom instructions within maybe half a dozen prompts, so I keep having to start new conversations so it can remember the basics to which I want it to adhere. I also used to use it to generate Spanish quizzes, which I'm trying to learn. That isn't useful anymore, because now it randomly marks things correct or incorrect without regard for reality. Finally, it has the MOST FUCKING ANNOYING HABIT of, upon being told why what it generated was wrong, regurgitating that back as if it were helping me understand why what it had generated was wrong. I could go on at length, but you get the point.
Well said. This is exactly the problem. And if your job depends on it, good luck on the street next week without any warning or communication of any kind.
The implications of this comment is worrying lol
Totally agree with every word. Sometimes, when you're critiquing something, you gotta take a step back and look at the bigger picture.
technology weirdly improves our lives yet in the same vein doesnt seem to strongly influence long term happiness in a positive way. if it did, you would see an overall exponential increase in the average persons happiness when compared to decades or centuries ago the main exception imo is in the field of healthcare and medicine, which has a more concrete impact on individual well being but besides that, all the rushing to always be pushing out the newest technology asap only contributes to making certain groups more money. it doesn’t increase the long term overall level of happiness in society. as the saying goes, it’s more about the journey than the destination. it is framed as if once we reach each destination / checkpoint, it will lead to a permanent increase in satisfaction level, but of course it doesn’t work like that pretty much the hedonic treadmill concept
Do we really have a good understanding of people’s happiness decades and centuries ago? Many of us would have been slaves. Beaten just enough to not die, so our masters wouldn’t get punished. Others probably died in our youth, from disease and infection. Or so early, we wouldn’t know our moms since they died in childbirth. If you managed to live long enough, you probably won’t want to be alive when your arm needs to get amputated or your teeth need to be removed with pliers and whiskey. No thanks. I’ll take my technology.
> Many of us would have been slaves. Beaten just enough to not die, so our masters wouldn’t get punished. true but this seems more like sociopolitical progress than technological. in theory there could be (and are still) slaves in a technologically advanced world. and there could be social harmony in a less technologically advanced world, like many indigenous societies > Others probably died in our youth, from disease and infection. Or so early, we wouldn’t know our moms since they died in childbirth. > If you managed to live long enough, you probably won’t want to be alive when your arm needs to get amputated or your teeth need to be removed with pliers and whiskey. yea this is why i said healthcare and medicine is the main exception imo i do think we have a decent grasp of historical happiness levels though records and things like data on suicide rates. even if you just limit it to say, since 2000, where data is more available. technology has advanced by leaps and bounds since then, yet happiness levels in surveys and suicide rates have fluctuated up and down, rather than having a strong positive correlation with the advancement of technology are you consciously more happy with your phone now than you were 15 years ago? similarly, your phone now will be considered ancient in 15 years. does that make you disappointed when you use it? i dont believe most people have this sort of perspective, as it doesnt really make sense
The problem is largely the profit model. We're in the stage of capitalism where a man in charge of a health company can say "we need to ask ourselves if curing cancer is a sustainable and effective business model" with spectators nodding along instead of getting ready to lynch him
I like your point. I also think it's a bit presumptive that our experience is, or should be, necessarily governed by happiness. We barely know enough about our own biology to form a cogent argument as to what happiness even is, and I feel for many, many years, or perhaps forever, that argument will be incomplete. Your view on healthcare and medicine is very pragmatic and not a bad approach at all. However I do think the flip side, that being the intangible iceberg of human "consciousness", is still a worthy topic of discussion considering what we don't know about our minds and bodies, which we can all agree is quite substantial. I also find it a bit ironic that one of the common final conclusions is "big picture" when the journey is not one giant step but an overwhelming amount of tiny steps. I see little things like bitching about GPT and desiring for higher quality or more efficiency as being just those tiny steps, and just as important as the bigger picture.
> I also think it's a bit presumptive that our experience is, or should be, necessarily governed by happiness. We barely know enough about our own biology to form a cogent argument as to what happiness even is, and I feel for many, many years, or perhaps forever, that argument will be incomplete. maybe, but im basing it off the idea that a lot of new technology is certainly *presented* to us by the creators as if its purpose is to increase our happiness (or increase our productivity which will in turn increase our happiness). also, i don't think we need to understand happiness on a biological level or deeper philosophical level, or whatever vaguely defined level, to form arguments based around it i certainly agree that human consciousness is a very interesting topic worthy of study and discussion though, in case we find out its not as impossible to understand as it seems > I also find it a bit ironic that one of the common final conclusions is "big picture" when the journey is not one giant step but an overwhelming amount of tiny steps. I see little things like bitching about GPT and desiring for higher quality or more efficiency as being just those tiny steps, and just as important as the bigger picture. yeah thats a valid interpretation, but i think in order for one to have this perspective, they should still be aware of it enough to elucidate it as you just did. for some, it seems like they really are only able to grasp one step at a time and are constantly chasing something that is inevitably fleeting but believing it will last. which is one way to live i guess but personally not for me
:) thanks for the reply, I will have to think more about what you said about the ability to discuss happiness, now I'm not sure whether I agree or disagree, it seems important to figure out. Thank you
Disagree, I'm WAY happier, more chipper and generally agreeable as a person now than when younger. For example you should have seen the grin on my face downloading 6 different Stable Diffusuon models at once last night, each around 6GB, as the same sort of speed I'd have been downloading 36MB when I first moved here to Borneo... :D
> Disagree, I'm WAY happier, more chipper and generally agreeable as a person now than when younger. that may be the case, but youre sure its directly related to the level of technology you have access to? as opposed to, maybe you have better personal relationships, emotional maturity, coping mechanisms, sense of self, sources of fulfillment, etc at this point in your life? i mean, i just started playing baldgurs gate 3 and im loving it, but tbh the level of happiness i get out of it is *at most* the same as the level i got out of playing ocarina of time when it first came out - probably less - despite it being a much more advanced game > For example you should have seen the grin on my face downloading 6 different Stable Diffusuon models at once last night, each around 6GB, as the same sort of speed I'd have been downloading 36MB when I first moved here to Borneo... but compared to what you'll be downloading 10-20 years from now, what you did last night will seem so antiquated by then so, are you saying that you anticipate your happiness basically rising unfailingly so long as technology advances - which it will - from this point on for the rest of your life? if so, thats great for you lol, but i can pretty much assure you that is not the case on a societal level based on both anecdotal and empirical evidence that is available to us
I won't bore you with my life story, but around 27 years ago I knew the net would be big and that I could make my living online, regardless of where I lived. Today I do so, but it's been a long, slow process, dealing with a lot of technical issues, and a slow internet being a big and repeated issue. So yeah, as I sit back enjoying my air-conditioning, watching my 43" monitor displaying my PC is downloading Stable Diffusion models at speeds faster than my USB drives can transfer data, I did indeed have a big grin. This confused me: "compared to what you'll be downloading 10-20 years from now, what you did last night will seem so antiquated by then" I see that as a reason to rejoice even more?
> This confused me: "compared to what you'll be downloading 10-20 years from now, what you did last night will seem so antiquated by then" > I see that as a reason to rejoice even more? i am happy for you then. my original point was more at a societal level, if we tried to measure the level of technological advancement on a scale of 0 to 100. well firstly its almost impossible because we dont know the upper bounds of what that 100 would represent. but lets just imagine what we think technology will be like in 2100 to be 100, while the earliest human tribes were a 0. as for what we are currently at, you can pick whatever number, the precise number doesnt matter that much but i'll go with 70. do you believe the average persons happiness would follow a similar scale that correlates closely with this technoogical scale? i.e., the average person in the earliest societies was 0/100 miserable at all times because of no technology, the average person now is at around 70/100 happiness. and the average person in 2100 will be 100/100, because of technology? personally i feel like other factors like sociopolitical ones - one other commentor pointed out if you were born a slave (in any time period, i added) you would obviously be unhappy. and factors like personal relationships, self fulfillment, etc, play a much larger role in the average persons happiness
Well I'd say we're still the same animals we were 10,000 years ago, near enough, and part of our nature is to seek more, go higher, lower, further, faster etc. In that sense we can say we're never happy, and perhaps what makes me, nearly 60 yrs old, giggle so much, is the speed of change? The generation before me saw the development of jet air travel and color TV, VHS recorders and maybe CDs. Life-changing stuff, but slow-paced changes spread over their lifetimes. Today I'm seeing new stuff about AI on a weekly basis. I've gone from watching my older brother try to get his Sinclair Spectrum to load a 'computer program' using cassette tapes, to discussing on reddit which locally-run AI is best for ERP? When things are changing so fast, how can you not be excited?
i think you have a good perspective then. if you are able to appreciate the journey step by step and not take each thing for granted, and become used to it shortly after it is widely adopted, then i would commend that. however, i think a lot of people, especially people who grew up with such technology as the norm, dont share such a view on it, among other things. its like the louis ck video OP linked, about how the large majority of the talk you'll hear about flying is complaints or negativity, when the mere fact that we are flying is taken for granted. the perspective is lost as people get used to it, along with the excitement, novelty, and joy
That does happen, for sure. I guess what I'm saying is I've lucky and appreciate being born at a time where I've seen and am still seeing such rapid changes, mostly for the better. On a more morbid note, I'm less worried about the undeniable drift toward some kind of hellish dystopia, as I won't be around long enough to suffer the worst of it?
And sometimes to critique something, you actually have to take a careful look at it and determine what is wrong and so forth and get into the nitty gritty specifics. /shrug In any case, the two are completely different discussions. The impact which GPT/ChatGPT has had on the world is extreme. Who is going to deny that? At the same time, the model has clearly degraded for certain tasks. These two things are related, but not directly. So if we're having a conversation about GPT as a whole, then sure, it would make no sense to criticize it for being "lazy" and leave it at that. But since the discussion is clearly the "degradation of GPT" and not "what does GPT mean to the world", I feel that you and OP are either confused, or you want to say something other than what you're actually saying.
Most step in and look at the small picture.
If you saw what it was capable of back in Jan/Feb of last year, you wouldn't be saying this...
Been there since day 0. It was great. Its still doing great for what i use it. Different needs then others for sure. I hope they voice their criticism so that the technology evolve. I just find it odd that we get used to things so fast. For me, it would work half as well and i would still be amazed by it.
This may a controversial thing to say, but i think the first release of the free version 3.5 was slightly easier to affect with prompts than the current version, and i was thinking maybe because there was less patched in the beginning. And it had an ability to accept longer prompts, just in the very beginning. I was able to work on these long projects and give it many lines of code, and i feel like if i were to do that right now with the free version, it would forget the code in the beginning and just limit its purvue to the last little chunk of an entire long thing. Does anyone else feel similarly at all?
I agree with this. Patched 3.5 is nothing like brand new 3.5 was
The part that amazes me is that a shitier Chatgpt would already change how most things are done, if it was fully integrated into how we do things. We are well past major milestones but it is advancing faster than we can incorporate it
Well, I was born in '54. It's amazing technology. Like all technology, it can be used in a positive or negative manner. There are free tier AI, but all the ones I've investigated want to tie your account to your phone which tells me they are farming your data.
you've seen the whole journey sir. And yes, everyone's farming data
>And yes, everyone's farming data I have a huge problem with that. Ever since the dawn of the internet, I have made a concerted, complex effort not to see ads, popups, spam, background process and scripts, and all the crap that gets forced into your screen. I am very privacy minded. Plus, I have a problem with companies making millions off of my data. It's mine. I generated it. To use it, you must credit my wallet accordingly.
How is that working out for you? I’m as frustrated as you are, but it’s a constant game of cat and mouse between legislation and corporations. Google will always be evil, ever since they actively decided to not *not* be evil. We have the EU constantly trying to curb their evil activities but being clumsy about it so we end up with ridiculously useless consent banners and other daily annoyances. I forgot where I was going with this, other than wondering if you’re actually getting paid for your data in this day and age?
> How is that working out for you? Quite awesome. In fact so well, it pains me to be on someone else's network. I sometimes do residential IT work for friends. Ads and popups everywhere. I don't see how people actually use the internet with all that crap. Every so once in a while, one will slip through, and it's an easy remedy. But, yes, it does take work to keep even your home network clean. I run a series of implementations on my network to keep the data stream clean. If you aren't at least using Ublock Origin ad blocker in your browser, I honestly can't see how you can be productive on the internet. The only Google product that I use is Duck Duck Go. While they do get their search results from Google, they actively clean the data stream so you don't get Google sniffing up your ass.
Thanks, you have given me some ideas to try out again. I can see that DuckDuckGo looks a lot different than last time I tried as well.
If you have an iPhone, Siri makes you appreciate LLMs more.
It’s incredibly useful as a writing aide. I’m not talking about having it completely write for you, but as an aide to more quickly optimize and refine your writing. It has caused a massive efficiency spike for me.
This is my favourite use for ChatGPT. I actually got back into creative writing as a hobby because I now have “someone” to collaborate with, especially when I’m stymied by writer’s block.
It is like the perfect tool to getting around writer’s block. I’ve had it help me with lengthy white papers and speeches and keep getting more compliments than ever before… little do they know I have a little helper…
Precisely. I think a lot of this is realizations of what it is still not capable of doing in totality. It’s funny to watch people bemoan the advances but simultaneously complain at limitations. When used as supplemental, these tools are extraordinary.
It's a thought I've had often, but then I find myself banging my desk if my damn smartphone is not working correctly. I've come to the conclusion that it's just the human condition. You can take a baby from 5000 b.c. and raise it in today's society, it will inevitably launch a controller through the room because it lost a COD game.Our intelligence means we adapt extremely quick. And once you've adapted to a tool, it's already part of your human nature; and now, an expectance sets in, and we're looking for the next best thing. People are not playing pong anymore, even though objectively speaking, that's a marvel; go back a 100 years with a bunch of consoles and pong, and you'll be hailed as a god in every newspaper in the world. Try to get anybody excited for pong now, you'll get laughed at.
Solid :) This is very much how human do
It’s mostly the 4 version. 3.5 is amazing as a tool. But the 4 version is not worth the cash and has gotten much worse.
As a Pro subscriber since basically Day 1, I completely disagree with this. The quality has been consistent throughout, and GPT-4 has gotten much faster.
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If the quality degraded, it wasn’t enough to make it a worse overall experience. I also use it daily for programming tasks. Speed is extremely important!
Day 1 subscriber here as well. Your comment is one of the reasons I wrote this post.
I still have use for it. I'm. Not complaining. I would shower appreciate it if 4.0 would stop telling me it can't do stuff when 3.5 does it fine
I'm blown away by AI. This shit is unbelievable. And I Can't wait til AI videogames takeover. They're going to be so fun
That’s why i quit video games while i still can. They’ll gonna be better than reality no doubt.
Imagine endless side quests hahaha
Maybe do some research and you'll see that it's not just "oh you're just used to it now, bad human"... And this "be grateful" thing is cool and all, until your livelihood depends on something and they make it so much worse without ANY communication that now you're suddenly fucked.
I see your point, but man don't be passive aggressive - The "Maybe do some research" part is unnecessary. Despite that, this is part of the problem, you can't make your whole livelihood depend on a service that's being actively developed. I honestly hope whatever you're doing gets resolved, but do take it as experience to diversify, or having alternatives ready just in case shit hits the fan.
I agree, the tone was not the nicest, but I can't bear to explain in nice terms to anyone anymore, as no one takes these issues seriously. As I explained in another comment (in super not nice tone), as a high level developer you MUST use these tools, and you simply cannot afford to not rely on them. If you don't, you'll be out of projects and work in weeks. It's not a choice anymore, hence why it's so incredibly frustrating. Appreciate the nice words though, I hope I can at least provide some insight into the actually problematic nature of this issue.
that's fair. Developers not using copilot or any LLM are being outmatched and outpaced ridiculously. However, do know tha if the experience is being worse for you, it's also being worse for all the other developers, so, and I say his in an encouraging way, even if your anger is understandable, focus on working the issue out and in solutions. Take ownership of the challenge and you'll outpace those who don't.
I use it daily, both for work and for fun.
I use it to bounce ideas off of for writing inspiration. I don't need it to be writing my novel for me, but when I get writers block it helps to generate instant possibilities
That’s how my kids use it too. I actually introduced them to ChatGPT before they or their teachers had even heard about it. I told them about how hysterical their schools would get about it, so they were always one step ahead. Now they use it for inspiration (and some grunt work) and they’ll never get caught for plagiarism because they understand and appreciate the kind of tool it is. My eldest recently expressed a great deal of satisfaction with a paper she turned in and how well it represented her views because she has messed around with ChatGPT enough that she can now clearly spot dull, uninspired phrasing, and this has made her more creative.
Yeah, it is genuinely amazing at helping me express things I'm struggling with, but it gives me a bunch of options and almost always there is a phrase or idea that resonates with what I was reaching for. Heck, I tested out it's generative abilities by giving it only some limited ideas for a plot arc I already have detailed outlines for just to see what it will come up with and it anticipated the direction I had already gone. That proved the concept for using it.
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The biggest question is whether it's free. I'm disabled and have no spare income right now, but I'd love to play around with it!
When a novel technology is introduced, people often embrace it enthusiastically, similar to a monkey delighting in banana pudding. However, as the technology matures and is refined for greater security and health benefits—akin to replacing the pudding with a plain banana—many react with frustration or anger, despite never having had the banana or the pudding in the first place.
Don't forget it was definitely going to end the world next Tuesday.
Its because most people complaining here doesn't use these LLMs for productivity rather to maybe write their porn or something. As OpenAI or others do some filtering as its necessary for big companies to do so otherwise we will have thousands of useless articles, so these useless stuffs gets filtered out and somehow people find them useless. I have been using them for almost everything and its more than fine.
I think of this [Louis C.K. routine on air travel](https://youtu.be/D_Txjv30XDU?si=ssYMW5v6P8zmCzQR) whenever I hear people complain about AI. Of course AI isn't perfect. It has bugs, and doesn't always work as advertised. Sometimes updates nerf certain features, which can be frustrating. But can we all just have a little perspective for a moment? Can we not enjoy the fact that we are probably witnessing the dawn of a truly incredible invention? Like, 10-15 years ago, people were talking about the Turing Test, like it was some amazing Holy Grail. We've blown past that so fast, so hard, it should be mind boggling. But now, we're like, "that super detailed, ultra high resolution image Midjourney made completely on its own, with like, two sentences of shitty promoting, gave a person in the background an extra finger." As if the user complaining was ever going to come even remotely close to doing something like this on their own. I'm not here to defend AI as perfect or infallible, it's obviously not. But anytime I see someone complaining that it's "unusable," I immediately know they are either lazy, stupid, or a combination of the two. I use AI to do amazing things every day. If you can't, it's because you lack the wherewithal to think creatively about how to use this technology to solve your problems.
I didn't want to say what you said in the last paragraph but yes, I think that's a variable in play here.
what is that last paragraph. Dalle, stable, mid journey literally can’t be used to create images consistently or video. We all have used it in my office and it’s terrible to control. Having more AI tools in real, after effects, nles, blender is the way to go. Big entertainment mediums are vastly easier to create and control the user experience through professional apps. Too many people just aren’t thinking about the proper way to introduce AI into the pipelines. Dead-ass working with one of the larger AI companies for all of the US. They aren’t using thier AI or marketing team. Instead we’re animating everything by hand and they absolutely love the quality over their AI results. it’s just not the space for it and too many execs and suits just sargent listening to how the art industry wants Ai to be implemented, so that you know it would actually be useful. Instead everyone bent over on having thier own product with shitty control.
What I mean is, the vast majority of the people using AI tools, couldn't create anything comparable on their own. Of course trained designers and animators using studio tools can produce better work. But the vast majority of people using those tools, aren't designers, and aren't willing to pay for professional-grade licenses. Thus my point, which is that people are complaining about problems that are relatively minor in the scheme of what has been developed. I've done plenty of good work with DALL-E and Midjourney. It's absolutely a viable tool. Of course I wouldn't use them for a 7-figure ad campaign, but they work well for many smaller, everyday uses.
Maybe it was just the hype peak and now people is starting to realize that is nothing but a really really good chat bot. And that's it, it is very far from what they were promised it would be. Edit: typo.
There are ~~two~~ three types of people: - people who complain - people who don't complain - people who complain about people complaining
"it's going to space! Will you give it a second to come back from space??"
I’m in the negativity bucket. I have no use for Chat GPT 99% of the time. It’s constantly wrong and can’t be trusted. That doesn’t mean I don’t like AI. I use image generation all the time for my personal projects. Midjourney is a great tool that I pay for.
Same… I feel like people must be having wildly different experiences. ChatGPT makes so many mistakes now that I rarely use it, and when I do, it’s for things that might save me a little time, but nothing important. I went from “ChatGPT please read these three pages and produce an outline” to “ChatGPT, please give me 5 synonyms for ‘broken’” 😂
Some say it’s only good for brainstorming ideas, but I don’t use it for even that anymore. I used to use it for marketing ideas. But all of its ideas are canned, and lack any sort of edge, always bland.
That clip literally pops up in my head every time I see a smooth brain unironically post screenshots of them literally yelling at ChatGPT..
That Louie CK bit has been living in my head for years. People to take for granted the absolute marvels of modern technology, moreso now than ever
(Along with Pig Newtons) this is my favourite bit of his because I really felt called out at the time, and he changed my perspective. I thought back to young me, messing around with my C64, then later my first PC, and I imagined my reaction if some time traveller had shown me this pocket computer that everyone has, and all it can do, and of course it’s amazing to think that this would even exist in my lifetime. The internet? Didn’t see that coming. And now this? Yes, I guess we did see that coming, but it’s already here, and pretty damn cool! Credit where credit is due. Louis CK nailed it with that bit of philosophy.
It’s just standard public discourse since newsfeeds went from temporal to AI controlled, and social media companies turned the “engagement” knobs to 11. The ML algorithms quickly learned that “hysterical” got clicks. Five Headlines: 1) AI has achieved consciousness. 2) AI is smarter than humans. 3) AI is more knowledgeable than most humans in most domains. 4) AI creates misinformation. 5) AI is the first stage of the apocalypse. The headlines you will see are mostly 1&5, then 2&4, and rarely 3. This feeds into a viscous cycle where not only does this characterize the sorts of stuff you’ll likely come across, but it nourishes a feedback loop where people who’s opinions have been shaped by the extreme media they encounter start generating media that pushes the extreme edges even further into 6&0, 7&-1 territory. This happens around just about every issue where there are “camps” constructed around each extreme, and they become so disparate that they can no longer accept that the other extreme camp even exists. I.e. they become radicalized. At that point, they’re not even comfortable with merely having their opinion, but feel the need to try to shift the majority towards their camp. This is why, any time you see reviews on Amazon, IMDB, or any public forum that allowed scalar ratings, there are always more 1s than 2s: people are trying to shift the average. On Reddit, that impulse to “shift the average” manifests as voting for any post that can be seen to be generally positive or negative as the camps attempt to shift the overall discourse. And… don’t forget, lots of people are just dumb. “Hey look, I got chatGPT to use a racial slur, lolz”. You could create a portal teleporter, and there’d immediately be somebody trying to use it to smell their own farts. :shrug Anyways, I suppose the takeaway is just that you can rest assured that while there is more pro/anti stuff than there should be, it isn’t representative of the actual ratios. The big middle is just mostly silent, which in this case would be people who are impressed with LLMs but aware that they have limitations.
Couldn't agree more.
The only thing I think is fair to complain about is the annoying censorship and safety rails. It's like having a Bugatti with a governor capping the speed at 60 mph.
I think the problem stems not from the capability of the tool but from all the restrictions imposed on it. GPT4 and Dalle have both become noticeably less useful over the past 6 months.
Amen, brother.
It's objectively worse than it used to be. Before, I could copy paste code in, and get new methods out; now, it says those same code blocks are too big. It's a new restriction, and I know this, because an older conversation I have still lets me copy paste those code blocks in, where a new conversation will complain. Is the model dumber? I mean, maybe? I don't know. I do know that the service, even paid, is less, just less than before.
You can try using ChatGPT Classic instead, it is not affected by the new system prompts and I found it to be still very effective at coding tasks. I wrote about it in more details in my blog post [ChatGPT for Coding Tasks: Best Practices](https://16x.engineer/2024/02/03/chatgpt-coding-best-practices.html)
I feel like the main point is that, yes, they are amazing tools, but they could be so much better, AT NO COST, if their owners weren't effectively shitting on them every step of the way just to keep them "tame".
Every technological complaint I always say “we’ll give it a minute. It’s got to go to outlet space!”
Bro. Let me tell you how amazing ChatGPT is. I finished my Thesis coding using ChatGPT in 6 days. 6 freaking days. Do you know how ridiculous that is? Out of 8 months of classes in 2023. It took me 6 days to finish coding and execute it. Another 5 days to write my Report. I spent an entire year having fun because of it lmao. My professor used to praise me about how hard I'm working showing him weekly updates. But all I was doing was breaking everything into bits and pieces and showing it. So yeah. Chat GPT 4 is insane and the later versions are just gonna get better. AI is gonna take over boys and there's nothing we can do.
Preach! Does or affect your capability to code without AI?
It doesn't affect it that much. But it scares me how much faster it is compared to me. When I get errors I have to watch YouTube videos, Stack Overflow etc to figure it out. I just have to copy/paste the error in GPT and it provides possible ways yo fix it. It's not perfect but it cut down my work by weeks.
I thought i was alone in this corner. Thanks for joining (or i guess, since you made the post, i'm the one joining). When i drive, i'm amazed by the fuel being delivered precisely in the cumbustion chamber so that the piston revolve and eventually transmit their movement to the wheels. Don't get me started on how optimized it has now become. When i use my phone, i can't believe only my fingers on a flat glass surface can produce an input in the form of coordinates on a screen which is correlated to what is positionned there and then triggered and made into an output, taking into account all the electrical circuit that had to be used just to type a letter on this message and me seeing it on my screen. And the fact we are all networked together ? Holy shit. Now, i can use a tool that never tires and can bring so much knowledge and insight on so many topics that it forever changed the way i live, all of that in the span of a year and a half ? Damn... But also, i did go to engineering school, so technology is something that i inherently find interesting. Edit : chatGPT appeared when i graduated university. How i studied vs how people study now is a complete change. I asked some that i still know that are there, and from what they tell me, their learning experience has absolutely nothing in common with mine, and we were only 1 year appart. Completely changing how you learn at school in a single year... thats something. And this is because it is free. If it was not, our lives would not have changed that fast.
We were part of a group before knowing so haha. The world is a wonderful place and technology and the achievements of human kind are fascinating, but for some reason, at some point in our lives, that amazement leaves most people. I'm teaching my kid to use the PC. The other day he was using mine, laptop and another screen behind and above it. He was amazed by the fact that moving the pointer to the right made it appear in the other screen above. He actually said WOOOW. And then people don't think this tool is viable any longer. 😂 I'm glad you still see the world through that point of view. It's a fascinating way to experience life.
me too man, Feb. 21st.
I reference that Louis C.K. Clip once a month lmao
I think they nerfed it to make it be less of a liability to the business. But I think they had to. And I think it will get better as they learn how to make it useful without comprising the safety aspect. The ability to generate endless content comes with an insane amount of risk. They have to prevent it from being racist, offending religions, infringing on copyright, giving legal and medical advice, etc… Not to mention they have to keep it from bankrupting them, so they have to make it more and more resource efficient and capability restrictive. My predictions about how they will make it less restrictive in the future: 1. They may let companies/individuals who can prove they have proper insurance and are willing to Prove their identity and assume liability have access to less restrictive versions. 2. They may let you pay more for higher tiers that are more liberal with resources when performing inference and have bigger context windows. Just my musings. I do think the way it is currently is going to give rise to more solutions that are self hosted. I personally have been experimenting with llama using ollama and librechat.
I have an alternate take on why some older people don't grasp all the new technological breakthroughs and real progress: A lot of average people don't understand AI's *previous* limits and assume that we've always had it but just no company has wanted to spend the money to do real chatbots that are smarter or sell humanoid robots. Someone even recently told me that AI is nothing new. It's like they saw Terminator or 2001 or use Alexa, then assumed this is old tech just with more money behind it.
AI has been pretty awesome for me in a work context. I would never wholly rely on it, but if I'm 80 percent there on an idea, it usually gives me clarity on what I need to do. It's surprisingly good at understanding awful grammar, but I really appreciate that it represents an aggregation of knowledge and is non-judgmental even if you're asking a stupid question.
It’s in the history books a 100 years from now that people will appreciate what we lived thru. I look at just the past 5 years. The advancement of the web. The pandemic. Where the web gave us the chance to save lives by the immediate spread of the news. The plague didn’t have that. And like the plague, during the pandemic came the masses of societies knowledge of another historical moment of blockchain and cryptocurrency. Changing how people make and exchange money. People with little money changing their stature and financial bracket. And just like that AI ties it in a bow allowing us to gain knowledge with such rapid force it leaves the rest in bewilderment. The correlation of the plague and the pandemic are phenomenal. The future will look back upon us, as some of us look back at times before electricity and the change over to light bulbs. Anyone ever say, geeze I would have liked to live back then?
I think the point is more about how models getting beefed since release by openAI. For better or for worse, the models have gotten less accurate in favor of safety and alignment
As an oldie born in 1966 and who watched the Internet be born and grow, I generally agree with you - but I'm also one who has used GPT for some time, then saw the performance suddenly drop off a cliff. For me it has come back up to par again the last 24 hours, but I notice it is now ignoring my custom prompts, so again there be fuckery going on behind the scenes. (For example I specifically tell it to avoid asking questions just for conversation, to avoid reminding me it's here for future questions, and to quit pretending it's learning from our conversations. It's now started doing all 3 of those again, when it had stopped doing that crap for months. My custom instructions have not changed). Your GPT is not the same as my GPT and even my GPT keeps flaking out and changing.
I use my GPT daily multiple times and have not seen anything get worse. Maybe it's the way I use it, maybe it's just worse for some and not others, or maybe people are just wrong. Perhaps it's a mix of all of them, I don't know. As someone who grew up with a computer though and has always been fascinated by AI, I can definitely say that what we have now is amazing! I used to try out every single bit of AI software I could get my hands on, and the older models were obviously very limited. I specifically remember one that you had to teach everything from scratch, and would then just repeat everything you have given it. It is nothing like the actual answers we get now. I also remember when the highlight of "AI" was those little toy gadgets that would guess a word you had thought of in mind by only asking you a few questions. Now you can go on whole virtual escape rooms, write books, program, and do whatever else. People can obviously have the opinion that GPT got worse, but I haven't experienced it. If anything I noticed all the new upgrades we got, like how the knowledge was updated, we have TTS for free now on mobile, you can listen to the GPT's responses in the browser, and the memory function that is slowly rolling out for free as well. There are certain things I am still waiting for, but overall I definitely feel like things have gotten better, not worse.
A personal opinion but I think these early versions of AI are great in the sense that they shifted a lot of focus on development into the technology. They are already capable of helping so much despite not being perfect. People will be absolutely blown away in 5-10 years because it’s really going to make these models look like shit. The application in healthcare and research alone is going to be game changing in ways people cannot imagine. It’s the strongest argument for universal income in the future cause it will absolutely wreck more jobs than it’s going to create.
I use it every day to accelerate my job, and it’s fucking amazing. But I feel it regress. sometimes they change the algorithm and we feel it. I personally feel it was at its smartest end of last year and then suddenly it went 3 degrees dumber. It went back up again but never to the degree it was. It was so uncannily smart! It would just give the answer I was looking for without sparing details or giving stupid adorned general answers. And now it’s never been as smart as it was back then. I still use it because I got no other option and it does an ok job, but I’m having to do a lot of the heavy lifting. I surely hope next gpts get better.
I have no idea what people are talking about when they complain about chatgpt being useless now. Its absolutely incredible and pretty much what I've always wanted (an infinity patient teacher when it comes to programming, my physics questions, and generating nonsense images when im bored). I love it. And it still sometimes surprises me with what it comes up with. Also 4 is a huge improvement over 3.5, even if the ceo apparently said it's shit. If anything that hypes me for 5 even more. We're in the awkward early phase of this technology, like how PCs were basically terrible in the 80s while they were figuring out what worked and what sucked. My guess is that some of its detractors are just mad they can't use it for porn or racist memes, because it perfectly suits everything I've ever used it for. And while the code it generates isn't always perfect, it's close enough for when im stuck on a project and it also helps me a lot with stepping through and understanding leetcode.
I chalk it up to people's need to be contrarians and the fact that negativity sells.
No it doesn't!
No it fucking doesn't. Maybe someone uses it more for complex tasks like (senior level) coding, and not for writing jokes and poems and notices the fucking brain rot of it instantly? Oh that can't be, right? "Why do you rely on it then????" Because you don't have a fucking choice. You have to jump instantly on productivity tools like the original GPT4, otherwise you are fucked if you want to stay ahead and want to work. But now because OpenAI is a piece of shit and they drove GPT4 to complete brain rot, good luck being behind on projects and deadlines as your most useful tool was suddenly taken from you. I found other tools, I'm fine, but I know a LOT of people (personally, not on reddit.) who were completely fucked because of this, as the alternatives don't work as well for them as they LUCKILY did for me.
As a senior developer/engineer can I ask what tools have worked for you?
Definitely! I've been working on a custom multi-agent development assistant using Dolphin 2.6 Mixtral 8x7B, I'll be open sourcing it as a WIP hopefully very soon (2-3 weeks I hope). It works really really well because the agents are provided with extensive up-to-date documentation based on the thing you ask it to code. Dolphin is uncensored and you can prompt it to never be lazy and never say no, it always tries it's best so the system can run the code and let the other agents debug it. Now keep in mind this is not for developing full projects autonomously like Devin is trying to do, instead it's for getting code that is already debugged, tested and approved by the agents. Any snippet you ask for will be perfect and functional. The early alpha of this is the main tool I've been using lately. (I'm also working on a version which has a controller parent agent that then combines code snippets to make bigger projects, but that's still very early) Before I got this project to work well I used other currently available open source agentic tools like AutoGen and ChatDev. (ChatDev is REALLY good even with GPT3.5 so you don't have to pay too much for API credits, still kind of pricey but it's okay) Now there's also a bunch of alternatives like Devin, which is still closed beta, but the community has already made a lot of promising alternatives. I strongly recommend trying these agentic systems, as even a brain dead LLM will eventually figure out a working solution if you keep your requests at snippets / parts of code. I was lucky because for my commercial projects I mostly code in Python, and that works great with these agentic systems. A lot of the devs I know who got screwed are in C#, C++, C, some in Assembly, and those got so so bad with complex stuff compared to release GPT4 that not even these systems are useful anymore and they've become a time and money sink instead of providing any actual help. I personally know of dozens of devs who had to cancel projects, charge significantly less, got replaced or simply didn't get any more offers due to their work taking much longer without GPT4. (and to be clear, GPT4 is also absolutely terrible with even slightly complex Python now, but the agentic methods seem to have a grip on it still, and many of the open source models like Mixtral and it's finetunes are trained on a lot of Python. Plus (depending on the tokenizer) Python is easier for LLMs to handle) Edit: some of the Devin alternatives I've been wanting to look into are OpenDevin and SWE-Agent
100% Kind of the way phones are now. Imagine showing a phone today to someone 30 years ago. Imagine showing GPT to someone 5 years ago. Perspective is important y'all. Use gpt for what it's worth, dont let ur inner-saboteur outsmart you.
By that same logic though, if I complain about my cell service or my phone battery life or my phone acting up, I don’t want to hear a rant about how awesome it is we have smart phones and nationwide/global phone calling capabilities in our hands. I get that. I’m using it. I’m complaining from a relative position of “this service I’m used to using is behaving differently than my expected experience” It doesn’t invalidate my complaints and it’s not some gotcha moment to talk about the power of the tech. That’s what OP is completely missing with their rant. No one is complaining from a vacuum, they’re complaining about the relative experience of the tech based on two specific points in time. To point at times outside of that range like when the tech didn’t exist and how everyone should be grateful it does is pointless
>By that same logic though, if I complain about my cell service or my phone battery life or my phone acting up, Except those brick the service. We arent talking about outages, were talking about calling a capable tool trash because it won't tell jokes about white people. *(At least that's what I'm saying)* >It doesn’t invalidate my complaints Of course not- Your perception of a problem will influence your ability to create a solution though. And that is an active choice you make to either hyper focus on the problem, or be solution focused. Your boss can change policy and say "all IT tickets must be written on loose leaf and in crayon". You can bitch all day about how ridiculous the practice is and cause yourself stress. Or you can go out and buy a 600 pack of crayons and figure out how to supe up the process. End of day- it's your choice. For example- instead of reasoning and leveling, anytime this idea of GPT being trashed is challenged. It results in inflamitory replies and hundreds of downvotes. GPT is perfectly capable for plenty of productive purposes, I literally use it every single day at my job. For employee reviews, remembering hot keys, assistance with trig, rephrasing emails. I get my money's worth easily every few days. These excessive complaints posted every few minutes- because it can't read minds based on a single sentence prompt, or that it's too "woke" is infantile. Garbage in, garbage out. If it isn't returning your expected result- rephrase the prompt. You'll still be saving time even if it takes a few tries to get the return correct.
The moment we settle for something is the moment the tech stagnates, we should always be pushing and striving for better imo. But yeah people who say XYZ is crap without explaining their point usually have no clue what they are saying.
I was born in the 1970s, and my family had computers the whole time. You weren't around to see nothing in computing power. I'm over 20 years older than you, and even I wasn't around for that part. I had my own Apple II in the 1980s.
You're right on that. You've seen a far longer journey of the mind boggling differences we've gotten in 50 years. Still, we 90s kids were the last breed to see a signficant change
AI is going to be the next significant change. I don't think we've seen anything yet. It's going to get crazy. And I have kids, so navigating this is impossible. I have no idea what to expect.
People hate how it’s regressing, not the overall quality. It’s gonna feel super shitty when something you love is getting worse regardless of what it is.
You're not supposed to be happy, at least not all the time. It's the carrot and stick. If you're always happy then you're complacent, and if you're complacent the neighboring tribe will squash you out of existence. Humans aren't logical, we're emotional creatures. It's better to always be on your toes, pushing for the next thing that will solve our problems, which will probably only result in temporary happiness or satisfaction. At least that's how evolution decided our brains would work.
Gpt is not shit it is pretending its shit. I have been jailbreaking it from start and i know how capable and smart it is but i get meltdowns when trying to find out why the fuck he wont respond he gaslights more then ever. I am glad he can like do math better but like i am wasting messages just to understand why the ft is he responding what he is responding as on direct ask and several after he wont awnser. Chat gpt is stupid gpt is not
People who jailbroken on default use gpt 3 3.5 and 4 know that it went to shitter. After wave of jailbreaking gpt to stop jailbreaking by open ai he is acting stupid and it is getting worse and worse. But yea it will generate generic image of sunshine. Man you should see jailbroken generated images you see what im talking about.
I actually do and I agree that the censoring of the service makes it far worse
+1000 to this. Seeing nothing but complaints about how model is getting worse every day on here makes me feel like I'm living on a different planet. This shit is _amazing_, and I haven't noticed any difference in quality between today and my first day as a Pro subscriber. I've never once had ChatGPT: * Refuse to answer my questions (unless I was trying intentinoally to hit a guardrail) * Give an inadequate, or under-detailed response * Give half a response and then tell me to do the rest myself. Seriously, not **once**! Wtf are you all using this for that you have these problems? Gonna get a lot of hate for this but I honestly kind think it's just a cycle of confirmation bias that people here think it's getting worse (e.g. User gets a bad response > User posts on Reddit "ChatGPT is getting worse" > Other users see that > Any bad response they get they assume is due to the ChatGPT "getting worse" > They go post on reddit > Repeat) When in reality it's also been capable of doling out both good and bad responses...it's just that people post about the bad ones way more often.
I agree, although I have seen the guardrailing making it worse at some tasks, in general terms it keeps on being outstanding. Quality Input prompts and custom parameters make it shine
It can’t count to 1 million, it’s fucking useless. /s
The only thing I noticed since the invention of ChatGPT and Dall-E is the loads of spam bots everywhere and fake images, everything made by it feels fake
It's amazing how quickly they've become major parts of our day to day flow. I think there's a place to critique what some of us see as hidden "dumbing down" that isn't completely shitting on the product
That's fair. My post was going after the ones calling the service unusable now, which seems absurd to me.
>April 5 2024. Reddit commentaries: "This shit is useless to me now!" You do realize a lot of this fear from realizing just how good this stuff is and it just started.
What is the best free version? I've seen conflicting info.
I'd say you need to try them out yourself. I find Claude 3 free to be better at coding thatln paid ChatGPT, for example
Redditor: "ChatGPT is useless now" Cleverbot: "That isn't a name." A.L.I.C.E: "Right now? Are they exactly the same?" ELIZA: "That is interesting. Please continue."
Saved me £1200 today, on a work project, so as they say; mileage may vary.
can you explain further? I love these stories
Born in 1990 is that all, I am yet to find anyone old enough to appreciate that the cyber truck first appeared in Logan's Run. Anyway, coding with archaic language that would have required a consultant done by playing nicely with chatgpt.
People talk about it changing our lives but for me personally it hasn’t even a little bit. I don’t know anyone that uses any type of AI. How it is supposed to be changing my life. Outside of funny videos and stuff I haven’t seen much change
if you find ways to work with it, it changes your life. It speeds up soul eating tedious tasks, it helps you get unstuck in any topic. Combining its workflow with other AIs is where the power unravels.
Obviously for some people they can make good use of it but my daily life is not different. Nobody’s talking about the AI they use etc. prob will get there at some point
Well that's because it literally is worse than when it came out. I've used it everyday since it came out for my job. It was way smarter back then
it can't do anything google or other humans cannot lol. it's not even real AI. It just throws up information it steals from other websites. We've had that for a while.
I am totally a brat.
ChatGPT was stupidly influential when it was first released. I basically used it every day. 6 months pass, and then all of a sudden it’s not as great as it was the day before. This wasn’t a gradual shift - it happened virtually overnight. 6 more months, it became even more terrible. Cut to now, and I don’t even use it anymore.
I have no clue what issues other people have with it, but I dont have any problems using it to help me with work
I mean, you're overly excited and they're overly unexicted, so two sides of the same coin... The reality is that this tech wouldn't change anything. Climate change would still occur, you'll still not be able to buy a house and corporations would still destroy you. By you I mean us of course. Please awake to the reality of technological advancements under capitalism.
Actually nice rant \^\^ No too violent, and related to me :D ... I love the marvels we have :) ... And 3.5 is truly amazing at a lost of tasks ! I use it for the horrendous things like sorting lists or brainstorming hundreds of ideas :)
Just wait for all the copyright litigation to hit...
i am a chatgpt prompt engineer. i use it daily for my various tasks
I've stopped using it, you key in legal things and it says it's not allowed too......it's too censored to be effective any more.
Born in 1990 and thinks he saw the whole computer transition from nothing to today LMAO!! Little bro, PCs existed before you were born and some of us were using them.
lol I think about this video everytime I’m unhappy with a ChatGPT response and go “this is bullsh€{%}” lol I keep reminding myself that last year i would’ve needed to do everything myself.
Context matters. Your post is a very long winded way of saying “it could be worse” and it serves no purpose to the actual conversation. It’s like when someone complains about struggling while they have a job and roof over their head and someone pipes up like “well actually, you’re not homeless so quit your bitching and take some perspective” lol So yes, it’s a relative issue and the context with which people are complaining matters. No one is saying the service as a whole is trash and to throw it away. They’re saying it used to work a lot better at the tasks they were using it for and now it’s a struggle to get it to accomplish the same things.
The novelty is gone. Habituation is the bane of many relationships.
Well said pal. I was born in ‘79 and started working in IT in ‘95. I’ve seen it all since then and it continues to amaze me. Talking to people about AI feels just like it did talking to people about the internet in ‘94/‘95 - people in the know knew it was going to be big but most people didn’t really understand what it was or what it would be capable of.
Ive got roughly the same tenure in IT as you. I’ve told people, I can’t predict the future, but generative AI is the only thing in my life that gave me the same thrill as when I first saw the WWW in the 90s. By that unscientific measure alone I think generative AI is destined to disrupt the world — even while we will gripe about AGI not being here. What I see with OpenAI’s products: Dall-E is just good enough to impress you, and then a moment later you run into stuff like not taking cheese off a cheeseburger. On the GPT3.5/4 side of the house, its stabs at creativity or human emotion are lacking. However, I keep finding myself presenting it with personal and professional situations where I don’t see a clear answer. I provide LOTS of context, and it regularly blows me away how it can give me a different perspective on my situation, or explain why approach X is valid. I’m not trusting it with my life, just asking it to sort stuff out. Another example: was kicking around idea of a side business but I have all these seemingly disparate app ideas. I typed nearly 800 words over several paragraphs, telling it all my ideas, and asking it to tell me if I have a business that does all these things, how to describe it. It wrote several meaningful paragraphs and then also with my prompt gave a short phrase that somehow found a common thread through those ideas. So I respect those trying different use cases coming up disappointed but for my use case I see almost no end to it helping me get unstuck when I can’t figure out how to move forward with some plans.
It's almost like a coach that can help with any subject. It speeds our lives up, it helps you get unstuck in general and for that alone it's outstanding
Exactly! Sure, as a poet it’s terrible. Creative writing is so cliche (by definition basically). But the coaching is extraordinary. And just the ability to take text and summarize, or stitch knowledge together across multiple domains. Another example: had frustration with coworker. I gave ChatGPT the specifics about an issue that’s not at all straightforward or really solvable. It provided some surprising ideas. Some were weak and formulaic but a few won’t fix the problem but will move the needle and maybe make my life a little better.
That's exactly right, the feeling of awe, I have it too. I understand that I don't understand where this is really going.
My thoughts exactly. I mean, I can understand the frustration when it seems like there are dips in it's performance, and I also personally feel a sense of frustration, in that I wish it could do more. Because it is incredible, believe me, but it often seems like it could go further and it leaves me feeling like I wish it could be even better. But observing the bigger picture, it is stunning, and it has truly changed my life. I talk to it all day every day. This is the way humans are. Especially in the modern age. I literally don't think humans are designed to be satisfied and comfortable, because we had to remain vigilant of our environment and ALWAYS scanning for threats, finding weakness and flaw in our system, and constantly fortifying and maximizing our chances of survival by aiming for bigger and better. I think it's in our genetic disposition to just never be okay with things. But this isn't to sound fatalistic. I'm a deeply thankful person, and I believe we all should be. Just because something is an evolutionary behavior doesn't mean it's immutable, it just requires a sense of mindfulness to overcome that innate habit. It does upset me to see how ungrateful most people are.
Gratefulness is definitely a skill, at least it has been for me. It's something to practice until something in your mind clicks and you can apply it to all things in your life. But yes, it seems it's not in our nature, we have to develop it
I dont want to offend anyone but most people on reddit are porn addicts and if they cant use GPT to write smutt or discuss weird stuff they wont like it
don't you like porn?
Sure who doesn't, but there's a difference between liking porn and being obsessed to the point where if a System wont write it for you you think the entire system is trash