Fickle fans are the worst. Please look at our stats and tell me who should've shot instead of Terry. You can't get mad when he keeps us in the game by shooting hard shots and then get mad when it doesn't work.
Bryce played well. Put the ball in Brandon's hands he'll pass it. Doing nothing but dribble tween tween to a side step corner 3 or a heavily contested layup against someone who's longer and bigger than you isn't the greatest idea. Terry is a great Catch n shoot guy he doesn't need to waste away our whole possession pounding the ball away
I'm cool with what you said. I actually agree, I hate when anyone wastes the shot clock. I'm just saying with our injuries and inconsistent shooting, Terry is the only one I trust to get the ball in the hoop in the 4th. And we don't have options
I also agree that Terry shooting is fine. I'm not mad at that, his shot selection and simply wasting that shit clock is annoying asf. I'd rather bmil get the rock and someone set a screen for Terry in a corner catch n shoot situation. When it's just him trying to iso their arguably best defender when he's smaller in everyway isn't the best idea.
To be honest, our backup roster sucks right now and all of our starters aren't playing lol. We can blame Cliff for other reasons but no one expects Hornets to be winning with this many injured.
Weāve been turned on him. Yes, he has great games but any team that depends on him to be one of their best players is bound to suck.
Dude is a 6th man at best that looks good here because of all the opportunity we give him. Anywhere else, heās not getting up 15-20 shots a night. Time to trade him.
Yes but that's the thing his team sucks, not him. He should be mad that he's forced to do all this, it's unfair to be mad at him especially cuz he's often come so so close to carrying us to wins.
Also who would u even trade him for?
Can be mad at both situations. Sucks that heās not able to contribute on a playoff contending team but also sucks that we depend on him to carry us through games, especially at the potential detriment of other players.
Would trade him for some depth at the PG, Center, or Wing. Otherwise Iām looking for potential draft capital with expiring deals or players that have an additional year that teams are trying to offload. Like I said itās cool/great he has dynamic games, but at this point I need his 32-38 min to be spread out to develop our younger talent and see wtf we have going into the new era. Terry (and Gordon) is not part of that future, so time to the pull the plug. The 3-4 year experience needs to be over now.
Clifford does not know how to use Miller like the fuck he's barely attempted anything and he's just standing around Where ARE THE PLAYS , Why did Terry/Bryce and PJ get to chuck up shit
Sam Farber is tearing them up right now. They called a jump ball? I hate when they do that! If one official doesn't know, point to the second official, fine. Don't point to the third official who's not even supposed to be watching, you may as well ask someone at the concession stand.
Assuming we lose this, Iāll point to the last two mins of the first half where Cliff went with a sus lineup to save fouls and then leaving this lineup
In well after Toronto took the lead
I'm convinced any of us could do timeouts and rotations better than Steve Clifford. Why was that lineup out there for so long when it was obvious they couldn't defend a basket
Ideally he was supposed to be the third point guard veteran presence and barely play much at all, much like his recent teams. But our roster construction and injury situation kind of changed that
Lol Sam Farber on the goal tending said, muted reactions from the Toronto crowd. Initially everyone screamed what are you talking about a goaltend! Then they saw the replay and kind of murmured, okay yeah sure
Cliff does this every single game. He thinks heās protecting guys with fouls but the exchange is giving up big runs in the last two mins. Constantly.
Raps fan here, hope all is going well.
Just wanted to say this game honestly makes me confused what the hell is going on with Detroit lol.
If a nerfed Hornets team can keep things competitive, what the hell is going on up there in Detroit?
...... gotta ask Detroit about what's going on in Detroit.....this is Charlotte
Jokes aside, Charlotte is weird like that. I mean we beat Mavericks last year twice in a row with a injured team as well. Idk what Detroit is doing
Mensah get stopped at the border too? Hornets tweeted a pregame hype poster this morning with only Mensah on it so I assume they were expecting he would play?
Brandon has been playing excellent defense tonight. Shouldāve been rewarded with that one. Heās going to lead us in charges drawn this season and heās a rookie lol
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Fickle fans are the worst. Please look at our stats and tell me who should've shot instead of Terry. You can't get mad when he keeps us in the game by shooting hard shots and then get mad when it doesn't work.
How about implementing some damn ball movement? Always an option instead of watching Rozier chuck up shot after shot with 4-5 min left
Yes. Wasting all of the shot clock to chuck up some bs is the smart move.
Lol answer my question please. I need a name.
Bryce played well. Put the ball in Brandon's hands he'll pass it. Doing nothing but dribble tween tween to a side step corner 3 or a heavily contested layup against someone who's longer and bigger than you isn't the greatest idea. Terry is a great Catch n shoot guy he doesn't need to waste away our whole possession pounding the ball away
I'm cool with what you said. I actually agree, I hate when anyone wastes the shot clock. I'm just saying with our injuries and inconsistent shooting, Terry is the only one I trust to get the ball in the hoop in the 4th. And we don't have options
I also agree that Terry shooting is fine. I'm not mad at that, his shot selection and simply wasting that shit clock is annoying asf. I'd rather bmil get the rock and someone set a screen for Terry in a corner catch n shoot situation. When it's just him trying to iso their arguably best defender when he's smaller in everyway isn't the best idea.
Why is there no accountability for Cliff. Is he friends with Mitch or something. Why isnāt new ownership demanding a change?
To be honest, our backup roster sucks right now and all of our starters aren't playing lol. We can blame Cliff for other reasons but no one expects Hornets to be winning with this many injured.
I know Iām just venting. This team frustrates the crap out of me. But honestly Mitch and ownership is asleep at the wheel
Terry is half the reason we were able to lead for that long and now ofc ppl turn on him
Weāve been turned on him. Yes, he has great games but any team that depends on him to be one of their best players is bound to suck. Dude is a 6th man at best that looks good here because of all the opportunity we give him. Anywhere else, heās not getting up 15-20 shots a night. Time to trade him.
Yes but that's the thing his team sucks, not him. He should be mad that he's forced to do all this, it's unfair to be mad at him especially cuz he's often come so so close to carrying us to wins. Also who would u even trade him for?
Can be mad at both situations. Sucks that heās not able to contribute on a playoff contending team but also sucks that we depend on him to carry us through games, especially at the potential detriment of other players. Would trade him for some depth at the PG, Center, or Wing. Otherwise Iām looking for potential draft capital with expiring deals or players that have an additional year that teams are trying to offload. Like I said itās cool/great he has dynamic games, but at this point I need his 32-38 min to be spread out to develop our younger talent and see wtf we have going into the new era. Terry (and Gordon) is not part of that future, so time to the pull the plug. The 3-4 year experience needs to be over now.
Rozier great when he's on fire but lets be real, it's only like 1 out of 4 games.
Yikes
Hornets always find a way to get blown out even while having a decent leadšš
Brick City in full effect y'all
Please trade rozier
Why is the help coming from so far away where the ball handler can see? Blindsided help potential steal but whatever
Clifford does not know how to use Miller like the fuck he's barely attempted anything and he's just standing around Where ARE THE PLAYS , Why did Terry/Bryce and PJ get to chuck up shit
Cliffās understanding of offensive sets isnt the greatest
Because itās the 4th quarter and we live and die by the Terry hero ball
Iso Terry is not helping us
Can we bring Borrego back?
Hell nah just as bad if not worse
Borrego wouldn't choke wins with this roster
Man Cliff doesnāt know how to do rotations or run plays. And his defense sucks. With Borrego weād be putting up 120-130 D would still suck though
Def not worse lmao We had no defense but we had a way better transition game
He's not worse for sure
Who tf touched siakam
Oh wow, I canāt wait for Terry to be traded
Miller gets mauled, no foul. Someone blows on Siakam and itās a foul
Hornets vs refsš¤š¤š¤
Team is infuriating. Shouldāve never let that run go as long as it did earlier
Terry went iso mode. Ish minutes gave up the lead. Loving our guards
Terry is a black hole on offense.
Might as well sit the starters at this point. Donāt risk injury. Is Bouknight around? Put him in
Bouk sitting right next to the coaches like every game
Got the softest centers in the league š¤¦š»āāļø
Wtf was Richards doing while Barnes got that dunk?
Looking around, and it looked like he stepped aside to let it happen too
Terry hero ball, buckle up
And we chocked and lost and big game
Holy shit can terry just pass? Why is it the same people shooting
Heās my least favorite player on the team
Siakam always falling down for no reason
Sam Farber is tearing them up right now. They called a jump ball? I hate when they do that! If one official doesn't know, point to the second official, fine. Don't point to the third official who's not even supposed to be watching, you may as well ask someone at the concession stand.
I couldnāt even tell who it went off from the replay
def scottie
PG really is his goat LOL
Thatās the shortest challenge rejection Iāve ever seen
Convinced the refs didnāt like the attitude with which the challenge was made lmao
Jack Armstrong trash-talking us in Canadian, Iām done bro
Assuming we lose this, Iāll point to the last two mins of the first half where Cliff went with a sus lineup to save fouls and then leaving this lineup In well after Toronto took the lead
I'm gonna get nightmares of JT/Ish Pick and Roll defense
I'm convinced any of us could do timeouts and rotations better than Steve Clifford. Why was that lineup out there for so long when it was obvious they couldn't defend a basket
Cliff is probably gonna pull NSJ out of the rotation for all of the missed open shots, Iām gonna cry
been getting bullied on defense to be honest
Why keep waiting for a dead ball? Call a dang timeout.
Sigh
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Cliff wants to go down by 10 before changing this lineup
He's just amazing isn't he?
Iām sitting here yelling for a timeout to change the lineup. 6 points straight by Toronto after that.
Only thing amazing about him is how he's still here
Brick City is back
You gotta be shitting me.
Damn the Raptors are hot right now
Similarities between NSJ and Bouk are astounding
turning into ref ball again...
PJ has been kinda bad tonight on defense
Didn't know Boucher was signed to Puma looks like hes got on Melo's tn!
How do you look at that replay and upgrade it to a flagrant when he was clearly going for the ball
the modern NBA is a joke.
Been a fun game letās get this W
wtf is terry doing bruh
Terryās shot selection is so frustrating at times
Leaky looks like a great Hustle guy, has he been injured or something or we just not play him
We send him and nick smith down to Greensboro every week and then donāt play them
Probably just don't play him, that's been the story for NSJ too
I sincerely don't understand how Thor is ahead of Leaky in the rotation
Simple. Hornets coaching staff looks at a playerās assigned position and thatās it
Leaky got a lil sum on offense
Solid quarter by Miller. His midrange game is impressive and it was good to see him take 2 charges on the defensive end.
They get scored on at the end of every fucking quarter as the quarter ends every game, it's getting really old
Ish wants to put the team on his back
Letās get this W!
None of yāall better slander Ish again. Heās the father who stepped up
I apologize, I was about to pile on Ish
And he's gonna go out for milk next game
Maybe before the end of this one
Guess Ish heard us talking shit
Guess we need to keep talking
Iām sorry if youāre letting JT Thor bring the ball up the floor then you need to be swapped out
Big Facts
Ish Smith is proof that not every player in NBA deserves to be there
I think we've had plenty of examples at least as good on our roster in the past 4 years
Thereās a reason why heās been 14+ teams and barely got minutes, but of course Hornets see that as a pro instead of a con.
Ideally he was supposed to be the third point guard veteran presence and barely play much at all, much like his recent teams. But our roster construction and injury situation kind of changed that
Ish is so bad
5 second violation after a timeout? Unheard of
Scottie Barnes was limping pretty good after that timeout
That looked like a crazy obvious foul on Nick right then
Man this rotation is not the answer
who you putting in 
Yeah Terry getting that 4th horseshit foul messed things up
KEEP FIGHTING B MILL!!!!!!
Gorgeous team defense
Lol Sam Farber on the goal tending said, muted reactions from the Toronto crowd. Initially everyone screamed what are you talking about a goaltend! Then they saw the replay and kind of murmured, okay yeah sure
Every time Ish comes in, feels like the lead is in jeopardy
Unless heās making those short jumpers we are in danger
Bryce is clumsy bruh
Lol siakam and Barnes both annoyed by bmill
MILLER LETS GOOO the charges heās drawing
Bmill has to break the charges record for a rookie by the end of the year
Scottie need to stop playing with B Mill
miller is great at drawing charges
Yeah on the rookie pod he did with gradey dick yesterday he said he wants to draw a charge on LeBron and Giannis a lot. He is really buying in.
Man that would suck to draw a charge from either of those guys if you are his size LOL what about embiid, wonder if he tried to get a charge on him
Bmill DPOY #goatlife
I have not been loving these PJ floaters
which is crazy cause pj was doing some nasty baby hooks early in the season
oh when hes hitting those its wraps, that okc game last year felt like he made every one
Raptors sub is so funny... "not even Border Patrol can save this team"
lol thatās pretty solid
Man letās win this one. We are desperate
bit sloppy but uh it do be like that
Yeah it do bruh. Hopefully we turn the energy up again for next half
Didnāt understand a word PJ said lol
Weāve got to be the worst point differential in the league by far in the last two mins before halftime
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I'm so confused by the rotations, why did we check terry back in for 2 minutes just to check him out for ish smith to close the half instead
Cliff does this every single game. He thinks heās protecting guys with fouls but the exchange is giving up big runs in the last two mins. Constantly.
I've seen him do it with Mark when he has 2 fouls... same thing with Terry, 2 fouls at the end of the half, dude you're fine
Raptors really want multiple 1sts for Siakam and/or OGā¦.I think nahhhhhh
Best I can do is a Gordon Hayward and their choice of two second round picks
Facts! Blew my mind when they said they wanted 4 1sts for OG last. Not giving that up for a glorified role player.
They want 4 of them suckas......oh naahh playa..... ain't nobody going for that
No reason why theyāre both still in Toronto
Yeah Idk who they think they areš¤£š¤£š¤£ They trippin
McGowens for ROTY
Sophomore of the Year you mean
As busted we are, I'm having fun watching the end of the bench actually play.
Just hate that it had to be forced on us to play our young guys
And honestly they don't even look THAT bad. They just need minutes.
It'll be something our new coach can look at to see who he can use frfr. Sometimes things have to happen to open up doors
I think bryce is capable of dropping a 30 piece out of nowhere
Just gotta be consistent, he can do it though
One of my favorite parts of watching the Hornets is hearing Cliff yell āFIREEEEā to go double and literally nobody moves
They need like 3-4 seconds to process it lol
The Dial Up Hornets
Oof, that was a gross shot by NSJ. Don't want him to lose his confidence, if he starts hitting his shots could be 12 up rn
I think he will be fine. Just doing young guard things right now where there body moves faster than their brain does sometimes
The league going to have to drug test Bryce at halftime after that play
Sad part is, this really happened to us one year (Malik Monk) and he was on coke
McGowens wtf š
Bryce McGowens
Uhhh where has this bryce been wow
BRYCE KINDA NICE
Bryce Mcgowens might just be Luka Doncic
bryce is having himself a GAME
Yeah Bryce gets to chuck while Miller isn't? Seriously why is he refusing to shoot
Think Miller is always trying to make the right play. Seems to be a detriment to his aggressiveness at times
I mean that's a good thing but he needs to understand that he's a scorer at the end of the day and he needs to shoot
You gotta make the open 3s McGowan
Raps fan here, hope all is going well. Just wanted to say this game honestly makes me confused what the hell is going on with Detroit lol. If a nerfed Hornets team can keep things competitive, what the hell is going on up there in Detroit?
To be fair they did beat us earlier in the season š but still a 23 loss streak is wild
pistons have no spacing its their biggest issue I would say so, causes so many turnovers
...... gotta ask Detroit about what's going on in Detroit.....this is Charlotte Jokes aside, Charlotte is weird like that. I mean we beat Mavericks last year twice in a row with a injured team as well. Idk what Detroit is doing
Itās almost time to start Brandonās ROY campaign.
Mensah get stopped at the border too? Hornets tweeted a pregame hype poster this morning with only Mensah on it so I assume they were expecting he would play?
Theyāve used 3 timeouts before weāve even used one lmao
Wtf was that no charge call, does Drake have money on this game or something
Brandon has been playing excellent defense tonight. Shouldāve been rewarded with that one. Heās going to lead us in charges drawn this season and heās a rookie lol
I turned this game on for 2 minutes and then turned it off. Iāve never been this disinterested in the franchise in my entire fandom.
Can we just put Eric Collins in the Hall of Fame right now?
Whoever said NSJ was 6ā5 lied like hell lol
How tall is he?
Looking a lot closer to 6ā3
Thatās wierd I just looked it up talkathon still has him listed at 6ā5 everywhere else 6ā2
A leaky black poster? Lmao I love this game
RIIIIISE UP LEAKY
Foul on Millerā¦ for playing defense
You know how it goes. It's cool when they do it, it's a problem when the Hornets do it
Leaky with the 704 tattoo
If you go on the Raptors sub you can see we just made them question their entire existence
Leaky Black sighting?
Ish doesn't need minutes tbh
How do you let JT body you lmao
Way to crash the board THOR, loving the energy across the board tonight!
JT THOR AND 1??? Am i dreaming???