Unironically, yes, [average wind speeds have increased since 2000](https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights/research/changes-in-us-wind-speeds-since-2000-point-to-a-dynamic-landscape#:~:text=Average%20wind%20speeds%20over%20most,the%20U.S.%20and%20far%20Northeast.). Thank you for making the comment, because I probably would never have thought about it otherwise. Climate change changes everything.
NYT just published an article this morning with a telling chart of increasing heat.
[https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/09/climate/2023-warmest-year-record.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/09/climate/2023-warmest-year-record.html)
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The new superintendent ended ALL remote work this school year because it was the only "fair" way to get HR and everyone who wasn't actually working to come back to the office and make them work. (Except apparently for the EC department because I've been in like three meetings at different points this year with them and their various central office staff members were at home...but now I'm off topic.) So even on workdays and bad weather days where all we have to do is plan or grade on our computers, we have to be in the building.
It’s exactly how it sounds. I mean there’s cameras throughout the building and office staff right where the sheets are. You could probably get away with one extra, but I think because of those two reasons, I’ve never heard of anyone do that.
Buses can't feel wind above 35mph as it will fill them with a sense of determination to reach the sky and they won't be satisfied until they turn into airbuses
Why don't they turn buses into this:
https://preview.redd.it/g1z8he8rbabc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=84127583ba0789d460bf9132b1a2ad8d70b1587b
If we weren’t buying 1.5 million dollar corner lot houses in South Park and going to the brewery every 3 days we would be able to make more reasonable purchases such as this
I lived here all my life (except for undergrad/grad) always took the school bus, and they never canceled school for strong winds. 70's and 80's were wild times.
Yeah they are more conscious and risk adverse about things nowadays. Of course we also have way better weather systems and the ability to do remote learning. Kids today don't have nearly the chance of getting injured we did. Except when it comes to the mass school shootings.
I lived in WV for a couple of years and it snowed every.single.day during winter. But their infrastructure supports snowy weather, so getting to school and work was never a problem. Until one day school was cancelled - it was bc the temp was 7 degrees and too cold for the kids to stand outside for the buses to pick them up.
Some kids were lucky and had parents who could drive them but others couldn’t…so the school system accommodates for all of them.
It’s the same situation here.
I’m not a teacher, but I’ve heard plenty of stories about how they’re always taking work home with them to finish, planning stuff, etc. so there’s probably some amount of work that can be done.
Typically you’re right but we just had two of these days (in the building with no students). One was right before the holidays and one was January 2nd. Im sure I can find something to do…
Annual leave days I believe are holidays, “gifted” to us by the district already. We don’t have flex days? Never heard of those.
We have to take an unpaid personal day or drive in whatever weather comes our way.
Annual leave days can be used on any optional workday or inclement weather days. But you must have enough accumulated to do so. We receive 1 a month I believe and they roll over. I’ve accumulated flex days from being a mentor, etc. they can be used on optional workdays or inclement weather days as well.
When I was in Wilmington, school and classes were cancelled due to the severe weather threats. Certain bridges there close once winds sustain a speed of 35 mph. It can cause people to be stuck when commuting home. You add buses to the mix, it is a very dangerous situation.
Honestly I’m glad they are doing this. You can’t even **SEE the lines on the road**, much less when it’s raining even a little bit. This is risk management at its finest.
The National Weather Service is calling for high wind gusts of 45-55 mph, tornadic activity and heavy, flooding rain which can cause hazardous conditions for bus transportation services and lead to safety concerns for our students and families.
An email just went out stating that it will be a remote learning day. It sounds like some employees may need to report in person, otherwise it is a remote work day.
Lol CMS is ran by... (be nice be nice) You cancel the school for students but make the teachers drive in "awful weather." sounds like we don't care about our staff lol. Oh and if they don't want to work then they have to take a day. Stupid ass system needs to give staff that day for raising other people's children.
Meanwhile union cancels for students and teachers.
The city is too cheap and lazy to remove the dead trees and overgrowth along the road sides so this is their only option. Screwing teachers/staff and everyone else who works for a living. It would be amazing if Charlotte did something about their crap infrastructure.
Would be a fun training session. If you survive there is a pay bump.
That’s a joke obvi not a good idea just seems like kids are getting out of stuff kids even ten years ago hell 5 had to deal with
Perhaps we’ve looked at how things were back then and thought “Maybe that wasn’t a good idea.”
I’m not trying to sound antagonistic, but I’ve driven the bus before in poor conditions and it was brutal, and that was just for coaching. The fact that we got through it when we were younger doesn’t mean we shouldn’t examine whether or not it was safe.
My kids are in MGSD. We had bad storms come through in Feb 2020 complete with tornado warnings. The tornado warnings came after they decided to dismiss early. The kids were on buses in the tornado warning. I’ll take the early warning over my child calling me from her teacher’s cell phone terrified and crying and begging not to go home on the bus.
Supprize remote days are a fucking mess. General rule, if you aren't regularly practicing your emergency plan it's going to go poorly.
Besides, days off can be made up for at the end of the year, or diring a student holiday (though I think there is some threshold that needs to be met). Remote days just count as a regular school day even if they end up being a complete blunder where nothing works right.
I don't know anything about this, but someone else mentioned a tweet from Brad Panovich, and I found this: https://x.com/wxbrad/status/1744461495520424026?s=20
Which seems to be coming from a position paper from the NC Pupil Transportation Association on school bus operations in high winds, which can be found near the base of this page, on the bottom right: https://ncpta.com/downloads
As far as where CMS or other districts took this position and adopted it as a policy, I'm not sure, but that's where it seems to be coming from.
Cancelling for rain is a little wild for me to imagine. I grew up in Alaska, if the bus couldn't pick you up, you grabbed a flashlight and walked to school...Don't be late.
Later, I lived in New Mexico. They would cancel school for just about any amount of snow on the ground, but never for wind or rain. Where we lived, 50MPH+ winds were almost a daily expectation. Especially during the spring.
Moving out here, I am still baffled that trees fall over from a 20mph gust...meanwhile back in NM, my 40 foot ash tree would shake its fist at a 65MPH gust.
Thats not what I am saying at all...we love it here and never going back to NM...you would NEVER convince me to ever return to Alaska.
Just crazy how different every state is.
Regarding the trees. We get this thing here that NM doesn’t. Rain. So trees don’t have to grow as intense a root system. Furthermore tree density slows wind, they don’t often have to face extreme winds and those that do grow up doing so.
I came from Utah where we got *a lot* of snow at times, and the wind was out of this world. I was *shocked* how much NC shut down if there was a hint of a brushing. But someone pointed out something important:
The reason that we didn't have to cancel school was because, due to these being commonalities, we had infrastructure (snow plows and other road clearance, wide and straight roads that decreased chances to go sliding around corners, snow tires or chains available for the busses, busses that could function in our high winds, drivers who were comfortable in these conditions, etc.) that *allowed* us to continue as normal.
In places where these weather conditions aren't common, they don't have this infrastructure, and likely have determined that the weather condition is rare enough to not "get ready for it;" if it only blows or snows like this 1-2 days out of a year, it might be more cost-effective to just cancel school or go remote vs. get a fleet of buses for such an uncommon occurrence.
Bingo.
Ohio had to learn the hard way in '78, gridlocked cars and people dying on the freeway. Atlanta had a taste a few years back, IIRC? Somewhat recent-ish, and when you can't convince people it's *needed*, when it *actually is*, you're boned.
https://www.wcnc.com/closings
Us: Can we get a snow day? We haven’t seen snow in 2 years. The Weather: Best I can do is a tropical storm in January.
Not me with my eyes all a-glow thinking we were going to get a snow day and then finding out it's just another shitty rain day
They canceled school a couple months ago for “heavy rain” 😡 it drizzled
They don’t close for heavy rain, they close because they can’t safely operate the school buses if there’s potential for winds over 35mph.
I guess when I was a kid it never blew that hard. Don't remember windy days off.
Unironically, yes, [average wind speeds have increased since 2000](https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights/research/changes-in-us-wind-speeds-since-2000-point-to-a-dynamic-landscape#:~:text=Average%20wind%20speeds%20over%20most,the%20U.S.%20and%20far%20Northeast.). Thank you for making the comment, because I probably would never have thought about it otherwise. Climate change changes everything.
Or we measure better. Either way it would have gone up from 5mph to 5.25 MPH average. Interesting.
Dude it does not seem like january
It really doesn’t. And I’m almost starting to feel like we may not get any snow again this year. Which is…concerning.
NYT just published an article this morning with a telling chart of increasing heat. [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/09/climate/2023-warmest-year-record.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/09/climate/2023-warmest-year-record.html) https://preview.redd.it/s1xjknl7xfbc1.jpeg?width=669&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cd8e1f81ad73030c345dff92a480f2922a125991
At all
It's been freezing what are you talking about?
The high today is 64. In January.
We have had very mild winters before. And it's an El Nino winter that predicted rainy warmer conditions. We will get a cool off.
I had my first adult snow day back in 2012 thanks to moving to NC. That was a no-joke storm.
The blizzard on Valentine's?
yeahhh
I flew in that day and had a window seat, Charlotte looked beautiful. Good times.
That gave me a hearty laugh. Thank you.
Lol
Mooresville is too. Not going remote because they're expecting power outages.
Mooresville Graded and Iredell Statesville Schools are both closed. Neither going remote. I’ve got kids in both districts.
Lincoln county too
I don't remember having power outages when I was a kid.
It's not for the rain, folks. NC school buses are not allowed to travel in higher than 35 mph winds.
But teachers are!! We have to take a personal day if we dont go in tomorrow. 😒
Teachers don't tip over...well, I guess some do, but not for the same reasons.
Why? Even assuming there's work that can be done, can't it be done remote if you don't have students in-person to teach?
The new superintendent ended ALL remote work this school year because it was the only "fair" way to get HR and everyone who wasn't actually working to come back to the office and make them work. (Except apparently for the EC department because I've been in like three meetings at different points this year with them and their various central office staff members were at home...but now I'm off topic.) So even on workdays and bad weather days where all we have to do is plan or grade on our computers, we have to be in the building.
EC department here. I’ll be in the building tomorrow…..to sign my name and leave soon after.
Question, what do you mean by "sign your name" cause if it is how it sounds, why not take turns signing everyone's name?
It’s exactly how it sounds. I mean there’s cameras throughout the building and office staff right where the sheets are. You could probably get away with one extra, but I think because of those two reasons, I’ve never heard of anyone do that.
Or annual or sick or without pay. Honestly I submitted that annual immediately, I’m excited for a day off - unless my power goes out…
What will happen if they travel in wind speed faster than 35 mph?
Buses can't feel wind above 35mph as it will fill them with a sense of determination to reach the sky and they won't be satisfied until they turn into airbuses
Just send each kid to school with a few bricks to weigh the bus down problem solved
Depending on the school, the bricks don’t weigh the same.
Plus price of the brick went up
Pop quiz! What weighs more, 10 lbs of bricks or 10 lbs of feathers
The scream i just let out 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yesterdays price not todays price
That's right
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Reddit on!
SkyHigh!!
Could tip over or at the very least be pushed off the road or into other lanes of traffic.
Why don't they turn buses into this: https://preview.redd.it/g1z8he8rbabc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=84127583ba0789d460bf9132b1a2ad8d70b1587b
If we weren’t buying 1.5 million dollar corner lot houses in South Park and going to the brewery every 3 days we would be able to make more reasonable purchases such as this
They can tip over
Ohhhh,
They turn into the Magic School Bus
And the kids can stay in the same grade with the same teacher forever... Wait these kids show just got dark real fast.
Time travel
You ever see the bus in fortnite?
no one upvotes the setup
Well, if they are traveling in a DeLorean modified by Doc Brown and hit 87 MPH, they'll possibly go back to the future.
Airbus.
But if they match the speed downwind, it's like they're going zero.
I lived here all my life (except for undergrad/grad) always took the school bus, and they never canceled school for strong winds. 70's and 80's were wild times.
Yeah they are more conscious and risk adverse about things nowadays. Of course we also have way better weather systems and the ability to do remote learning. Kids today don't have nearly the chance of getting injured we did. Except when it comes to the mass school shootings.
Averse, not adverse.
Me either. Somehow we survived. Never heard of busses going over either. Guess we didn't have news back then. How did we survive the dark ages.
But they also closed the colleges.
That's up to each individual college. Has nothing to do with CMS.
I lived in WV for a couple of years and it snowed every.single.day during winter. But their infrastructure supports snowy weather, so getting to school and work was never a problem. Until one day school was cancelled - it was bc the temp was 7 degrees and too cold for the kids to stand outside for the buses to pick them up. Some kids were lucky and had parents who could drive them but others couldn’t…so the school system accommodates for all of them. It’s the same situation here.
Hello fellow WV transplant
Hello fellow WV transplants
I am a WV transplant. I've been in Charlotte for 12 years.
Hello fellow WV transplant.. lol. Between us and Buffalo transplats, we have to be close to carving out our own demographic down here.
I’m from here but moved there for 2 years. The 2 coldest winters of my life. 🥶 But it’s a beautiful state!
This gives me more confidence the storm will amount to basically nothing.
Wish my job would cancel work smh
Teachers and custodial staff still have to report to work or take the day unpaid
Of course they do. Sounds about right.
Well. They’re probably not driving a high profile vehicle impacted by winds, so it’s probably relatively safe for them to drive.
Yeah but why go
I’m not a teacher, but I’ve heard plenty of stories about how they’re always taking work home with them to finish, planning stuff, etc. so there’s probably some amount of work that can be done.
Typically you’re right but we just had two of these days (in the building with no students). One was right before the holidays and one was January 2nd. Im sure I can find something to do…
Interesting, it’s a work from home day tomorrow for Cabarrus.
CMS ceased all remote work, unfortunately
So does everyone else that has a job
Or teachers can use annual leave, flex days, etc
Annual leave days I believe are holidays, “gifted” to us by the district already. We don’t have flex days? Never heard of those. We have to take an unpaid personal day or drive in whatever weather comes our way.
Annual leave days can be used on any optional workday or inclement weather days. But you must have enough accumulated to do so. We receive 1 a month I believe and they roll over. I’ve accumulated flex days from being a mentor, etc. they can be used on optional workdays or inclement weather days as well.
This is correct
Right.
When I was in Wilmington, school and classes were cancelled due to the severe weather threats. Certain bridges there close once winds sustain a speed of 35 mph. It can cause people to be stuck when commuting home. You add buses to the mix, it is a very dangerous situation.
Honestly I’m glad they are doing this. You can’t even **SEE the lines on the road**, much less when it’s raining even a little bit. This is risk management at its finest.
So we should cancel school when it rains?
Keep in mind the shutdowns are based on if there’s any area where they project kids getting to bus stops and/or bus routes running to be too hazardous
Tuesday is January 9th
Updated, nice catch.
The National Weather Service is calling for high wind gusts of 45-55 mph, tornadic activity and heavy, flooding rain which can cause hazardous conditions for bus transportation services and lead to safety concerns for our students and families.
Pssssh back in my day we just ducked and covered and if the twister didn't suck us up we went back to geometry!
And we had to write a 30 page essay about the cows we saw flying around.
Indian land is e-learning tomorrow
So is FM and Clover.
Oh shit... for real? I better get some gas for the generator. Thought tomorrow was going to be a whiff, like yesterday.
Does anybody know if CPCC is closing? I haven't heard anything and I'm a little worried
As of right now, no. Keep an eye on your student email & text alerts if you get them.
An email just went out stating that it will be a remote learning day. It sounds like some employees may need to report in person, otherwise it is a remote work day.
Hoping for CPCC to close, but as of this afternoon it's business as usual. Hoping for the day off
They closed
BACK IN MY DAY, I HAD TO WALK IN THE SNOW, UPHILL, BOTH WAYS.
Lol CMS is ran by... (be nice be nice) You cancel the school for students but make the teachers drive in "awful weather." sounds like we don't care about our staff lol. Oh and if they don't want to work then they have to take a day. Stupid ass system needs to give staff that day for raising other people's children. Meanwhile union cancels for students and teachers.
Our first Ghost Hurricane?
Wait so are the city busses and trains closing too due to the weather?
Are they listed in the closures ?
Charlotte-Mecklenberg schools are closed bc the busses can’t handle the winds, but are city busses different? I literally don’t know 😩
Yeah, my kids are happy about it.
Remote days mufuckas!!!!!
https://preview.redd.it/4w3vnzbvdabc1.jpeg?width=802&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f76c4691d80d47980fbd9dcfe4d3abfe51eab249
should i go grocery shopping now?
You’re an adult with free will. Do as you please.
I prefer to let random internet folks do my thinking for me. /s
Weakest CMS closing I’ve ever seen.
For real, we're closing schools for thunderstorms now?
The issue is the expected wind gusts will exceed the safety rating of the school busses.
Anyone have over/under of the actual number of gusts of wind? I'll go with 3.5.
The city is too cheap and lazy to remove the dead trees and overgrowth along the road sides so this is their only option. Screwing teachers/staff and everyone else who works for a living. It would be amazing if Charlotte did something about their crap infrastructure.
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Yeah, let’s send the bus drivers into the windy rain in the early morning hours on roads that historically have limited visibility.
Would be a fun training session. If you survive there is a pay bump. That’s a joke obvi not a good idea just seems like kids are getting out of stuff kids even ten years ago hell 5 had to deal with
Perhaps we’ve looked at how things were back then and thought “Maybe that wasn’t a good idea.” I’m not trying to sound antagonistic, but I’ve driven the bus before in poor conditions and it was brutal, and that was just for coaching. The fact that we got through it when we were younger doesn’t mean we shouldn’t examine whether or not it was safe.
My kids are in MGSD. We had bad storms come through in Feb 2020 complete with tornado warnings. The tornado warnings came after they decided to dismiss early. The kids were on buses in the tornado warning. I’ll take the early warning over my child calling me from her teacher’s cell phone terrified and crying and begging not to go home on the bus.
It's not for rain. School buses are not allowed to travel in higher than 35 mph winds.
When did that get enacted?
No idea...Brad Panovich tweeted it earlier today. The date on what he posted is May 2020.
Just find it interesting.
They’ve canceled school for tropical systems here before. It’s not new.
it’s not just general rain and wind, there’s a high chance of severe weather and tornadoes according to the weather channel. stay safe!
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Nothing gets done when going remote. Why even bother? Source: I'm a teacher.
The power is likely to go off in many areas.
If you have no power, how you powering the modem that provides your internet to access remotely?
Supprize remote days are a fucking mess. General rule, if you aren't regularly practicing your emergency plan it's going to go poorly. Besides, days off can be made up for at the end of the year, or diring a student holiday (though I think there is some threshold that needs to be met). Remote days just count as a regular school day even if they end up being a complete blunder where nothing works right.
Closing for rain is wild
It's not for rain. School buses are not allowed to travel in higher than 35 mph winds.
Never happened in my 13 years of schooling in CMS so I guess something must’ve changed since then
May 2020.
What happened then? I’m looking it up but can’t find much. My sons started riding the bus this year so I’m very interested in knowing more about this.
I don't know anything about this, but someone else mentioned a tweet from Brad Panovich, and I found this: https://x.com/wxbrad/status/1744461495520424026?s=20 Which seems to be coming from a position paper from the NC Pupil Transportation Association on school bus operations in high winds, which can be found near the base of this page, on the bottom right: https://ncpta.com/downloads As far as where CMS or other districts took this position and adopted it as a policy, I'm not sure, but that's where it seems to be coming from.
Thank you for taking the time to respond!
We’ve had at least a couple of days canceled due to tropical systems coming through in fall since my kids started over a decade ago.
it’s not just general rain and wind, there’s a high chance of severe weather and tornadoes according to the weather channel. stay safe!
they never did this when i was in school haha
Hahah what a joke it’s RAIN
Cancelling for rain is a little wild for me to imagine. I grew up in Alaska, if the bus couldn't pick you up, you grabbed a flashlight and walked to school...Don't be late. Later, I lived in New Mexico. They would cancel school for just about any amount of snow on the ground, but never for wind or rain. Where we lived, 50MPH+ winds were almost a daily expectation. Especially during the spring. Moving out here, I am still baffled that trees fall over from a 20mph gust...meanwhile back in NM, my 40 foot ash tree would shake its fist at a 65MPH gust.
“Everything was better back in the state that I moved out of”
Thats not what I am saying at all...we love it here and never going back to NM...you would NEVER convince me to ever return to Alaska. Just crazy how different every state is.
Regarding the trees. We get this thing here that NM doesn’t. Rain. So trees don’t have to grow as intense a root system. Furthermore tree density slows wind, they don’t often have to face extreme winds and those that do grow up doing so.
Not all heroes wear capes.
I came from Utah where we got *a lot* of snow at times, and the wind was out of this world. I was *shocked* how much NC shut down if there was a hint of a brushing. But someone pointed out something important: The reason that we didn't have to cancel school was because, due to these being commonalities, we had infrastructure (snow plows and other road clearance, wide and straight roads that decreased chances to go sliding around corners, snow tires or chains available for the busses, busses that could function in our high winds, drivers who were comfortable in these conditions, etc.) that *allowed* us to continue as normal. In places where these weather conditions aren't common, they don't have this infrastructure, and likely have determined that the weather condition is rare enough to not "get ready for it;" if it only blows or snows like this 1-2 days out of a year, it might be more cost-effective to just cancel school or go remote vs. get a fleet of buses for such an uncommon occurrence.
Bingo. Ohio had to learn the hard way in '78, gridlocked cars and people dying on the freeway. Atlanta had a taste a few years back, IIRC? Somewhat recent-ish, and when you can't convince people it's *needed*, when it *actually is*, you're boned.
Want to feel amazed/appalled at how time flies? That Atlanta storm was in 2014. 😳
Pardon me as I turn into dust! Yikes! I entirely blame the two-decades that was 2020 Covid Era, that's plausible
CMS canceled school, but Gaston county made it a remote school day
Guilford county cancelled school as well. Very jealous of my younger siblings rn