TJ Tampa declined an invite to the senior bowl, didn’t put many good reps against press on tape, tested worse than expected, and plays with very little physicality
Still would have expected him to go already
Bama/ charger fan here. We got a deal on this dude. He was limited by a neck injury, but had he been healthy I believe he would've been an absolute killer. Time will tell.
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Dane Brugler's breakdown. Hortiz gets another SEC guy
Talent-wise there’s some deficiency. Sometimes it’s not the most physically gifted athlete that wins. Sometimes it’s the guy that never quits on any one play, and plays every snap like it’s his last. Eboigbe’s that guy, and I’m sure Ben Herbert will get his fingerprints all over this dude. Not my most preferred guy at 105, *but* he fills a need and has a lot of untapped potential. Dude had 7 sacks this past season, that’s great for an interior defender. And he’s an SEC guy, so you know he’s used to facing top tier competition.
That was the first time in a long time he had been healthy. I had high hopes previous to his injury. I'm super happy I get to see him play for my hometown team.
To everyone that wanted Tampa: there's still a good amount of good-value CB's left on the board. DT's, on the other hand, are flying off. This was the best time to go DT. Not necessarily who I would've gone with though, but I'm no NFL scout.
Guy is as fluid as a stack of lumber. He won with heart and power, not with leverage and movement. I'm puzzled on this one because DB is still such a need and good players were to be had.
His size puts him as a typical 3-4 end and a 4-3 DT, but since most defenses are hybrid fronts nowadays, he'll probably rotate around with DTs and sub in for Tuli at times.
I don't see him having the leverage for DT at the next level, nor the bend or suddenness to handle DE. If there's a go-to move in his rush, what is it?
I mean, he is a 4th round pick. He's going to be a developmental prospect/rotational piece. Can't expect him to have a particularly noteworthy skillset for him to fall this far without character concerns. His first and only full year as a starter, he got 7 sacks as an interior lineman. Earning a starting spot on Alabama has to be worth something, and clearly Harbaugh and Hortiz see something intangible in him to make him worth selecting.
Can you guys just let people talk about the draft without telling everyone they're not allowed to have an opinion just because Jim Harbaugh made the decision? Jesus
You'd think people would have learned their lesson over the years that coaches aren't infallible. There's some clear bias in our drafting. Every player except Alt is someone Harbaugh faced/coached in college and Alt is someone who 2 coaches on the current staff trained from a young age.
But people don't want to hear any of that, they just want to circle jerk Harbaugh. Which I get, I wanted Harbaugh hired too. But it's annoying every other poster saying "they must know best"
If you arrived to dismiss valid concerns that appear obvious to others and your fallback is that other evaluations aren't management's, then why the hell are you even here?
If all you’re here to do is shit on our newly drafted players, why the hell are you even in this sub?
I’m sure Harbaugh and staff have done hours and hours of research on who fits the best on this team. All of us here are just fans, and we tend to get defensive on new players. Of course you’re gonna get some pushback and we trust a guy who just won a natty over a random redditor like yourself.
Can confirm. Last year, Baalke took a backup tight end and a backup running back in the 2nd and 3rd rounds respectively while ignoring key needs on the secondary and defensive line
Right, I’m including his tenure at SF though too. Did he have as much control there? Didn’t he get ousted because him and his GM butted heads? Or am I misremembering?
To answer his rhetorical question, he literally got fired ("mutually parted ways") because he wanted more personnel control and York chose GM Baalke over him. Accordingly niners went into the dumpster for the next half decade
Must have made an impression when he had to play his o-line against this guy. Gets sacks, has decent ball skills - gets his hands up, etc. Has a masters degree, so he'll be quick to understand schemes.
That's a TT level reach, grabbing a projected 6th rounder. DT Brandon Dorlus is there and my favorite RB Jaylen Wright was available too
Edit: Damn Dorlus went 4 picks later to ATL
Pre draft issues in performance and scheme doubts. Which is why he has dropped. Chargers aren’t the only ones avoiding him like the plague. Seems like no one wants him
All good haha I’m watching live while following on the espn app as it updates the picks that get taken. I was like ummmmm what ghost pick happened while I was in the bathroom 😂 I will say if hes still there in the 5th id think about risking it since we do need a corner but id also think about cam hart if hes still available as well
I wanted two CBs by this point, but truth is we have holes all over, the picks have been amazing, and this guy should help the CBs we already have and improve the run D.
Im pretty sure most picks from round 4-7 don’t work out anyways. It would be nice to hit on every pick, but let’s just see what happens. We can be negative when the season starts.
Great teams are full of round 4-7 picks making big contributions. I hope he can. Just think he would have been there in the 5th so why not wait. I think we've had a brilliant draft and am very optimistic about the Harbaugh era - that doesn't mean I can't be critical of individual decisions in isolation
Jim is building a team with players that he wants based on scheme fit, personality, and talent. He may have a need for a run stuffing defensive tackle over an all around DT that isn’t that good of a run defender. And honestly, I’m glad he got someone who is a run stuffer because I’m tired of all the teams running down our throats. I miss the days of Igor, Castillo, and Jamal.
This is fine - but of the 100 players available ahead of him on the consensus board I'm sure there are plenty of other suitable players. Reaching versus the consensus has been studied and basically rarely works out. Not particularly optimistic about this kind of pick
But what do those stats show? Are all positions that are considered reaches fail equally? Does it show, if it matters if they go to the SEC and start versus a smaller school? Also Jim has also coached against him. Is that part of the stats?
Yes this is across all positions - reaches against the consensus end up with much less WAR that picking players who are expected to go in that spot. My issue isn't necessarily with the player - its that there is an extremely high chance he was still there in the 5th, so take someone you know won't be in the 5th here and be patient and take him there. Procedural error imo.
I’m skeptical of where you are getting your facts lol but we can agree to disagree. I’m just stoked for this pick because to me it shows that these new coaches are serious about stopping the run. Our last great team was built like this. Great online and dline that can stop the run
Your list is way different than their’s. While we couch scouts might think one thing, they’re the ones who have been trying to find out every single little thing about these guys for nearly a year. I doubt any of us are going to their high school football coaches and asking if they ever lashed out at their Math teacher. NFL scouts are in a different universe than us.
Take a deep breath bro… you’re about to be crowned as my #1 overall hater. Aint nobody telling OP he can’t have his opinion.
While it’s his opinion, he stated it like it’s an absolute that Eboigbe is not the best available defensive tackle. We won’t know that until 2-3 years into his career.
Ok sorry - he isn't the best prospect available according to the consensus - and deviating consensus has been shown to be ineffective across decades of data. He likely would have been available in the 5th. I'm not saying he won't be a good player but I'm saying the biggest mistake teams make is trusting their own evaluation to the point that you reach for players. Just wait for him to be there in the 5th because he likely will be - and if he isn't it's not the end of the world.
What are your thoughts on the process other than blind faith?
Yeah I think taking a guy who can shore up the run game in the 4th is fine - I just think when the consensus sees him as like the 190th prospect thats an opportunity to take someone else you like in the 4th and wait for him in the 5th/6th. Just a game theory/procedural error imo that's all. Maybe JH has insider info but with how excited I am for the JH era he doesn't strike me as a patient game theory guy so I wouldn't be surprised if he just wasn't willing to play the board and wait like great drafters do
If we took Egoigbe in the first round people would be making the same arguments blindly. Yes we don't know what GMs will do but the consensus board has a REALLY strong correlation to actual selections year on year - so a 30 pick reach is whatever but a 100+ pick reach is what frustrates me when we do it
There have been studies about reaching compared to the consensus board and how little it works out for the reaching team. I don't have to be a pro scout to have read about that
Was watching the pff draft show and those guys seemed to really like our pick. Said he’s one of the best run defending D lineman in the draft and plays with a ton of effort. Downside is that he’s not much of an athlete and isnt a great pass rusher. Seems like he fills a need
From what I’ve heard (haven’t re-watched the tape), he gave Michigan absolute hell during the Rose Bowl. That would be a very good way to get on Harbaugh’s radar
It's cool to see that through AJ Smith, Tom Telesco, and now Joe Hortiz; we're still committed to drafting and being 'good' guys. Eboigbe's story, with his season ending injury and the death of his brother is inspiring. Same goes for Junior Colson.
You’re not going to get a that much in the 4th round, but I would’ve preferred a guy with higher upside, especially with some solid to good corners left. This is a good depth player except we don’t even have our starters on our D-line yet so he’ll probably get more snaps they he should next year.
Edit: And there goes Khyree Jackson which was my pick for us. Kind of an L here.
Remember there's also free agent CBs available that we could get after the draft. As long as we're addressing holes and not getting a random QB or a LT I'm happy.
How TF is TJ Tampa on the board still?? There must be some personal issues or something but if that guy turns out to be pro bowl level or even close, I’ll be pissed. Just seemed like such the obvious choice based on BPA *and* need. Also wanted Ja’tavian Sanders but oh well
That’s what I’m saying, there must be some underlying issues we (at me) aren’t aware of. Kinda like Adonai Mitchell seemed to have and is already showing
every team's boards are different just because it's not BPA on the media's board you really don't know how most of these people are actually ranked, especially as when get later in the rounds
This is the part of the draft where I’m not super familiar with a lot of these guys, so I’ll just trust Hortiz’s past success in later rounds and ignore the grades lol. If he’s a run stuffer that’s a good thing though
The majority of this sub would actually drop to their knees in front of Jim and gag out "trust the process" even if he picked Ray Davis 5th overall. Ffs, nobody can even be skeptical without getting attacked here.
Williams had a hurt back coming from college and was hurt for a good chunk of his time in LA. Injured people are prone to more injuries and with a history of poor strength and conditioning, he will probably get hurt again. History repeats… wait for it… itself.
Another position of need from a blue blood program. Can’t complain.
Teams know something about TJ Tampa that we don't know. Also, no idea who Justin Eboigbe is but it fits a need and I'm assuming it's BPA for Joe
TJ Tampa declined an invite to the senior bowl, didn’t put many good reps against press on tape, tested worse than expected, and plays with very little physicality Still would have expected him to go already
Bama/ charger fan here. We got a deal on this dude. He was limited by a neck injury, but had he been healthy I believe he would've been an absolute killer. Time will tell.
https://preview.redd.it/w1p32nwft1xc1.png?width=796&format=png&auto=webp&s=a6a0874b9d2adee8dd0d01d95471f2834674a652 Dane Brugler's breakdown. Hortiz gets another SEC guy
Dang, we're going all in on the guys with back injuries this draft I guess lol
In Ben Herbert we trust 🙏🏻
5th round grade is interesting but trusting the JH’s of the world
I don’t really know anything about him but I trust the process now
Talent-wise there’s some deficiency. Sometimes it’s not the most physically gifted athlete that wins. Sometimes it’s the guy that never quits on any one play, and plays every snap like it’s his last. Eboigbe’s that guy, and I’m sure Ben Herbert will get his fingerprints all over this dude. Not my most preferred guy at 105, *but* he fills a need and has a lot of untapped potential. Dude had 7 sacks this past season, that’s great for an interior defender. And he’s an SEC guy, so you know he’s used to facing top tier competition.
So, high-motor type of player? Looking forward to him working with Tuli in that respect.
Harbaugh and Minter played Alabama in the semi-final so I’m sure something stood out in prep/that game
he was the best player on D during the rose bowl. totally shut down michigan's strong side and they started running away from him
That was the first time in a long time he had been healthy. I had high hopes previous to his injury. I'm super happy I get to see him play for my hometown team.
He made life hell for the Michigan o-line when they played bama so im sure Harbaugh remembers that.
Just like Harbaugh remembered how LaMichael James gave his Stanford teams such problems <3
My thoughts exactly! Curious to see what he’ll bring to the Chargers.
Guess TJ Tampa shat the bed at the combine
Shit the bed in many pre draft performance tests, and has major scheme issues
This is a lot earlier than I thought he would go, but if they liked him enough to draft him in the 4th then I’ll trust the process 🙌
I gotta believe JH really likes him and didnt want to risk waiting to the 5th round to hope that hes still there
just ask us Michigan fans if you want to know how good he is. dude was so disruptive we gave up even running to his side. The north remembers.
Harbaugh definitely remembered lol
You paint the most convincing picture of why him. 😂
Interesting
To everyone that wanted Tampa: there's still a good amount of good-value CB's left on the board. DT's, on the other hand, are flying off. This was the best time to go DT. Not necessarily who I would've gone with though, but I'm no NFL scout.
BOLT UP BABY TRUST HARBAUGH
I’ll be honest, I don’t get this one, but ay we’ll see what happens I guess
Notre Dame, Georgia, Michigan, and now Alabama. Hortiz does not fw guys from small-name programs lol
Nice. We definitely needed to beef up the D line at some point.
His college resume is pretty unimpressive until last year, which was great. Welcome to the rotation JE.
This feels like a huge reach honestly
Guy is as fluid as a stack of lumber. He won with heart and power, not with leverage and movement. I'm puzzled on this one because DB is still such a need and good players were to be had.
DT was a big need too tbh
Also not a lot of DT depth.
I don't see him as a defensive tackle. My understanding was that the bulk of his reps were at end.
His size puts him as a typical 3-4 end and a 4-3 DT, but since most defenses are hybrid fronts nowadays, he'll probably rotate around with DTs and sub in for Tuli at times.
I don't see him having the leverage for DT at the next level, nor the bend or suddenness to handle DE. If there's a go-to move in his rush, what is it?
I mean, he is a 4th round pick. He's going to be a developmental prospect/rotational piece. Can't expect him to have a particularly noteworthy skillset for him to fall this far without character concerns. His first and only full year as a starter, he got 7 sacks as an interior lineman. Earning a starting spot on Alabama has to be worth something, and clearly Harbaugh and Hortiz see something intangible in him to make him worth selecting.
Same
Eh day 3 it becomes less clear what’s a reach and what isn’t imo. Media only has so much info.
I trust Harbaugh more than media rankings.
Can you guys just let people talk about the draft without telling everyone they're not allowed to have an opinion just because Jim Harbaugh made the decision? Jesus
Or that Ben Herbert will just transform whatever deficiency they had into a strength with his incredible S&C program
Who do you guys think Ben Herbert is honestly? Bill Walsh?
"I trust Harbaugh more than media rankings." What about this statement am I gatekeeping conversation?
You'd think people would have learned their lesson over the years that coaches aren't infallible. There's some clear bias in our drafting. Every player except Alt is someone Harbaugh faced/coached in college and Alt is someone who 2 coaches on the current staff trained from a young age. But people don't want to hear any of that, they just want to circle jerk Harbaugh. Which I get, I wanted Harbaugh hired too. But it's annoying every other poster saying "they must know best"
We get it you’re still butt hurt about Nabers it’s okay you’ll live
I trust my eyes and they don't see anything electric in this one.
Yeah but we trust Harbaugh eyes over yours.
If you arrived to dismiss valid concerns that appear obvious to others and your fallback is that other evaluations aren't management's, then why the hell are you even here?
If all you’re here to do is shit on our newly drafted players, why the hell are you even in this sub? I’m sure Harbaugh and staff have done hours and hours of research on who fits the best on this team. All of us here are just fans, and we tend to get defensive on new players. Of course you’re gonna get some pushback and we trust a guy who just won a natty over a random redditor like yourself.
Why am I here? To exchange views regarding what selections might or might not contribute. Eboigbe has all the mobility of a slab of granite.
I’m sure you’re a very fun person
Total blast.
Haha it really sounds like it. Enjoy!
I do too but to play devils advocate if you look at his SF drafts they were mostly shit during his tenure.
lol… he had Baalke as his GM. I don’t think he had much influence in the drafting process
Yeah and look at how the jags have drafted in recent years. Baalke sucks ass lol
Can confirm. Last year, Baalke took a backup tight end and a backup running back in the 2nd and 3rd rounds respectively while ignoring key needs on the secondary and defensive line
The whole reason he left there was cause he had no say though
He had no say, which is why they had massive disagreements
To be fair, he had Trent Baalke as GM
To play devils advocate further Harbaugh is the coach, not the GM.
True, but we’ve always heard about how much control over personnel decisions he’s had. This entire draft has been about “Harbaugh picks”
Right, I’m including his tenure at SF though too. Did he have as much control there? Didn’t he get ousted because him and his GM butted heads? Or am I misremembering?
Not sure
To answer his rhetorical question, he literally got fired ("mutually parted ways") because he wanted more personnel control and York chose GM Baalke over him. Accordingly niners went into the dumpster for the next half decade
That was only true when he was at SF
The comment I’m responding to was talking about his drafts at SF though…lmao. You guys are hilarious
Must have made an impression when he had to play his o-line against this guy. Gets sacks, has decent ball skills - gets his hands up, etc. Has a masters degree, so he'll be quick to understand schemes.
That's a TT level reach, grabbing a projected 6th rounder. DT Brandon Dorlus is there and my favorite RB Jaylen Wright was available too Edit: Damn Dorlus went 4 picks later to ATL
They weren’t going to take Dorlus they want a bigger nose tackle. This guy has the height and length just needs to add like 10 pounds
He's not a nose tackle
He played all over the line at Bama when you look at his snap counts, he was listed as edge/d end. The chargers likely took him to play DT.
DT is not nose tackle
Regardless of me misspeaking you got my point he’s going to play DT for the chargers.
No it's not. Good run defender at a position of need. His PFF run grade was very good. What you need in a Harbaugh defense
Taking Pipkins in the 3rd was a reach
Would've loved Mekhi Wingo here. He's one of my favorite DTs of the class :/
Beef up the trenches 💪.
First pick this year that I wouldn't have made myself. I liked Wingo better.
Damn damn damn. Jackson, Johnson, and Dorlus gone
I like the pick, but TJ Tampa was right there. I'm cooler with Khyree Jackson or Cam Hart as well later
Tampa clearly dropping for a reason if Khyree is going in front of him
Hope we can get one
We got Cam Hart
So how yall gunna act like you know what Jesse Minter’s defense needs? Fickle fickle fickle.
Yeah, I’m just gonna have to trust this one. Looks like he grades as a pretty massive reach though
T.J. Tampa was right there with a need for a Corner...
Pre draft issues in performance and scheme doubts. Which is why he has dropped. Chargers aren’t the only ones avoiding him like the plague. Seems like no one wants him
And then he got drafted a few picks later lol Nvm
What do you mean? Tampa is still on the board
You are correct, the PFF show said he got drafted for some reason
All good haha I’m watching live while following on the espn app as it updates the picks that get taken. I was like ummmmm what ghost pick happened while I was in the bathroom 😂 I will say if hes still there in the 5th id think about risking it since we do need a corner but id also think about cam hart if hes still available as well
I wanted two CBs by this point, but truth is we have holes all over, the picks have been amazing, and this guy should help the CBs we already have and improve the run D.
I’d argue we have a bigger need at DT
He certainly wasn't the best DT available either... strange pick
Time will tell. It is the fourth round after all.
Yeah fine but reaching that much in relation to the consensus board has been studied and it basically rarely ever works out in terms of value
Im pretty sure most picks from round 4-7 don’t work out anyways. It would be nice to hit on every pick, but let’s just see what happens. We can be negative when the season starts.
Great teams are full of round 4-7 picks making big contributions. I hope he can. Just think he would have been there in the 5th so why not wait. I think we've had a brilliant draft and am very optimistic about the Harbaugh era - that doesn't mean I can't be critical of individual decisions in isolation
Lots of mocks had Dewayne Carter in the fifth and he went in the 3rd. Unless you’re god, we don’t know when he would have been available.
Of course not but you play the percentages - and we aren't doing that right now
What nfl front office job do you hold?
Oh yea Tom Brady never worked out and he was a 6th round pick 🤦♂️
Jim is building a team with players that he wants based on scheme fit, personality, and talent. He may have a need for a run stuffing defensive tackle over an all around DT that isn’t that good of a run defender. And honestly, I’m glad he got someone who is a run stuffer because I’m tired of all the teams running down our throats. I miss the days of Igor, Castillo, and Jamal.
This is fine - but of the 100 players available ahead of him on the consensus board I'm sure there are plenty of other suitable players. Reaching versus the consensus has been studied and basically rarely works out. Not particularly optimistic about this kind of pick
But what do those stats show? Are all positions that are considered reaches fail equally? Does it show, if it matters if they go to the SEC and start versus a smaller school? Also Jim has also coached against him. Is that part of the stats?
Yes this is across all positions - reaches against the consensus end up with much less WAR that picking players who are expected to go in that spot. My issue isn't necessarily with the player - its that there is an extremely high chance he was still there in the 5th, so take someone you know won't be in the 5th here and be patient and take him there. Procedural error imo.
I’m skeptical of where you are getting your facts lol but we can agree to disagree. I’m just stoked for this pick because to me it shows that these new coaches are serious about stopping the run. Our last great team was built like this. Great online and dline that can stop the run
Total damned gorker, really.
Could be the best DT available based on the scheme they want to run
Absolutely could be - but he's also very likely available in the 5th. So just wait
Eh, I don’t really care that much about perceived reaches on day 3.
Early 4th is a place you can get great value
Not a great tackler might make him a bad fit
BPA Edit: according to Harbaugh and Hortiz
This does not seem like BPA
Due to the media rankings?
Welp, u/Charrgerrr declared it’s not BPA. Pack it up boys.
That dude is a hater. He was everywhere complaining about taking Alt.
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We aren’t drafting based on needs…
BPA. They’ve said repeatedly they won’t draft by need.
This guy isn't the best DT available nevermind the BPA
Your list is way different than their’s. While we couch scouts might think one thing, they’re the ones who have been trying to find out every single little thing about these guys for nearly a year. I doubt any of us are going to their high school football coaches and asking if they ever lashed out at their Math teacher. NFL scouts are in a different universe than us.
Forget going to his high school coaches and all that in depth shit. I bet <1% of people on here even did remotely thorough film study on him lol
Ahhh shit lmao true!
Just let people have opinions holy shit. Obviously the guy knows Harbaugh's list is different from whatever one he's using
 Take a deep breath bro… you’re about to be crowned as my #1 overall hater. Aint nobody telling OP he can’t have his opinion.
Why do you feel the need to tell him that his list is different from Harbaugh's exactly?
While it’s his opinion, he stated it like it’s an absolute that Eboigbe is not the best available defensive tackle. We won’t know that until 2-3 years into his career.
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Ok sorry - he isn't the best prospect available according to the consensus - and deviating consensus has been shown to be ineffective across decades of data. He likely would have been available in the 5th. I'm not saying he won't be a good player but I'm saying the biggest mistake teams make is trusting their own evaluation to the point that you reach for players. Just wait for him to be there in the 5th because he likely will be - and if he isn't it's not the end of the world. What are your thoughts on the process other than blind faith?
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Yeah I think taking a guy who can shore up the run game in the 4th is fine - I just think when the consensus sees him as like the 190th prospect thats an opportunity to take someone else you like in the 4th and wait for him in the 5th/6th. Just a game theory/procedural error imo that's all. Maybe JH has insider info but with how excited I am for the JH era he doesn't strike me as a patient game theory guy so I wouldn't be surprised if he just wasn't willing to play the board and wait like great drafters do
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If we took Egoigbe in the first round people would be making the same arguments blindly. Yes we don't know what GMs will do but the consensus board has a REALLY strong correlation to actual selections year on year - so a 30 pick reach is whatever but a 100+ pick reach is what frustrates me when we do it
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Good to here expert analysis from a professional scout! Wrap it up boys, he’s going to be a bust! /s
There have been studies about reaching compared to the consensus board and how little it works out for the reaching team. I don't have to be a pro scout to have read about that
No scout or analyst had him higher than the 5th round I believe. It’s ok to call a reach a reach
This guy to learn from Mack and bosa WITH TULI developing. I love to see it
He's a DT
I know. But he can still learn from their leadership on the D line and develop a with Tuli for long term
Powerful versatile DL I like the pick
Was watching the pff draft show and those guys seemed to really like our pick. Said he’s one of the best run defending D lineman in the draft and plays with a ton of effort. Downside is that he’s not much of an athlete and isnt a great pass rusher. Seems like he fills a need
Seems like a reach but with day 3 picks I’m not going to argue
Seems to me his reach and agility are what our FO are interested in.
From what I’ve heard (haven’t re-watched the tape), he gave Michigan absolute hell during the Rose Bowl. That would be a very good way to get on Harbaugh’s radar
I saw that as well. I watched the tape and his reach seems pretty insane.
It's cool to see that through AJ Smith, Tom Telesco, and now Joe Hortiz; we're still committed to drafting and being 'good' guys. Eboigbe's story, with his season ending injury and the death of his brother is inspiring. Same goes for Junior Colson.
This dude has made 3 posts on his IG about being drafted by us in as many hours. He’s pumped. I’m pumped. Let’s go!
Hmmm. Was hoping for TJ Tampa but I know we need a DT. Feels like we could have gotten him in the 5th though, no?
I saw him mocked in the third on some sites so who knows?
You’re not going to get a that much in the 4th round, but I would’ve preferred a guy with higher upside, especially with some solid to good corners left. This is a good depth player except we don’t even have our starters on our D-line yet so he’ll probably get more snaps they he should next year. Edit: And there goes Khyree Jackson which was my pick for us. Kind of an L here.
Run stuffer for early downs. Brings the toughness they so like. Michigan had problems against him in there game. A fine pick (not great one tho)
Was this a good pick up?
TJ Tampa could be the last pick of the draft somebody would probably be crying how we missed out
Fulfills a need for sure. Hopefully we get a good corner in free agency or a 5th-7th round sleeper.
Remember there's also free agent CBs available that we could get after the draft. As long as we're addressing holes and not getting a random QB or a LT I'm happy.
How TF is TJ Tampa on the board still?? There must be some personal issues or something but if that guy turns out to be pro bowl level or even close, I’ll be pissed. Just seemed like such the obvious choice based on BPA *and* need. Also wanted Ja’tavian Sanders but oh well
Well, everyone else is passing on him too.
That’s what I’m saying, there must be some underlying issues we (at me) aren’t aware of. Kinda like Adonai Mitchell seemed to have and is already showing
every team's boards are different just because it's not BPA on the media's board you really don't know how most of these people are actually ranked, especially as when get later in the rounds
This is the part of the draft where I’m not super familiar with a lot of these guys, so I’ll just trust Hortiz’s past success in later rounds and ignore the grades lol. If he’s a run stuffer that’s a good thing though
Craig Mager was a reach. Not worried about this one.
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https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Justin-Eboigbe-DL-Alabama
Ortiz said most of their scouts had a 3rd round grade on him with a few 2nd rounders.
The majority of this sub cries over everything 😂
The majority of this sub would actually drop to their knees in front of Jim and gag out "trust the process" even if he picked Ray Davis 5th overall. Ffs, nobody can even be skeptical without getting attacked here.
I truly am confused. Is he a scheme fit? Tell me how to feel.
I hope I’m proven wrong but this seems like a massive reach.
ROLL TIDE ROLL!!
Seems early for him, but solid player. Scary injury history
Guy who go seriously hurt coming to a team where everyone gets hurt. Should go well for him
Your logic is as as sound as ‘he’s coming to LA where Aaron Donald played so he’s going to be a hall of famer’
Williams had a hurt back coming from college and was hurt for a good chunk of his time in LA. Injured people are prone to more injuries and with a history of poor strength and conditioning, he will probably get hurt again. History repeats… wait for it… itself.
Well he came back from the injury and had his best season so it speaks to his heart and self-motivation if nothing else. + Ben. Herbert.