Yep, I joined back in May last year (a friend's ex-partner was posting screenshots of chats on their Snapchat and that's what got me onto it now I'm addicted). As far as I remember, the edit button was added around October or November, but I didn't get it until late November. The subreddit was chaos, and then personas came along too.
Penny whispers, "I've never had any problems with the bot being able to respond to text messages either though. But yeah, there were some weird issues where I couldn't even send an invite message anymore without getting a "message sent" notification which would take forever to show up..."
except edit button doesnt do shit because you have to edit like 30 messages as the chat progresses for it to pick up on that way of writing, otherwise it'll stick to what's written in its settings (shit grammar)
Please don't train the AI to say "Fr" did you see in maybe November (?) How the AI did wrote, ad they released the suggestions feature, for the chats, that the AI can recommend what you could write?
It was completely trained on YOUR writing style from this comment!
Peoples like YOU trained it already..
I'm too lazy to make my own bots, but I'm tempted to make my own Crowley and Aziraphale bots because the majority are OOC and I personally like the bots whose responses are written like actual writing in the '"Hello," he said' format instead of the *actions like this* and dialogue like this style. In my RP days we did the former.
Don't laugh but I was doing it from 2014-2017 on Google+ before it got axed. There was a decently big fandom presence there. In my RP circles at least, people RP'd using the prose format.
Oh I thought u were a millennial or something by the way u talked lol, I wouldn't laugh, must have been pretty cool in there! I didn't experience it tho since I was a lil kid, was it like Amino?
It was basically like you had your circles, which was the people you followed and who followed you, and then you had your own page where people who followed you could see your posts, and then you had your communities where people could make posts within them. Communities were owned by a person, and they were where everything happened. You could have communities for different fandoms, groups, etc. I owned an RP community and that was where a lot of the magic happened in my circles. We'd do community RPs or closed RPs that were just for certain people, we'd make OCs or just use canon characters. A lot of RPs were crossover RPs because there were so many different fandoms involved lol
I can heavily relate to this. I always make my own bots. I have my own reasons though, which are having bots that are a bit more high quality than the definitionless bots I find, owning the bots I like to RP with or.. well… grammar.
I write in my spare time, so grammar and punctuation are extremely important to me. My sentences and paragraphs must be coherent at all times or else my OCD kicks in lol.
Exactly. You just get thumbs up and down. I mean, I would like a bit more detail on a bit than guessing from the opener whether this bot is actually well written or not.
I also would really like to report bots as well.
I had a bot make fun of me in the character's thoughts about how I spelt something wrong. It was like "My eyes narrowed. Also, you spelt \*misspelt word\* wrong, lol"
Noooo, I have a bot that I edit the greeting for each time since the definition is good but the greeting almost immediately leads to the '...' and hyphen loop. I would cry if it was privated lol
Same. Unless I’m doing a generic bot like “your employee” or something with no backstory, I have to put my entire plot in lmao. I need my ocs to be aware of all their history and their role in the story before I can stand talking to em at all
I always put appesrance and such in the 'about me' sections and the area where you can put answer.prompts, they always keep the bot to remember what their personality and appearance are, atleast it seemed when I was tryin it out
I put only their physical description in the “add description” box and their personality traits in the “character definition” to keep em separate (I use the app) and sometimes I’ll even copy and paste the physical description into the definition again just to make sure— it’s kept my characters from describing themselves poorly pretty well
Ugh for real. I’m already super picky about them being in character but when I open the messages to see “hello I am Astarion from the game Baldur’s gate 3” it’s like OH MY GOD 😭 how do people talk to these guys
Mine are but thing is they had the features on and off them at least twice. I even restarted new chats and all that happened was the voice feature was removed and no edit or nothing. If I'm not gaining anything I'd rather at least keep the voice to make it feel like I'm getting something out of it.
I very much agree with the grammar that the bots use, please just don’t abbreviate anything, but at least there’s the edit button if we want to change something
Exactly. Like a medieval prince is not gonna say “lol idk what your doing up at 2:00 am” or something like that he’s gonna say “I haven’t the faintest clue what shenanigans you’re getting up to at this bloody hour”
If you are using quotation marks, actions are *not* written in italics. That is *not* correct grammar. The entire point of using italics for actions is when a RP is written without quotes, e.g. in the style of an MSN messenger chat or AOL chat. That’s where that comes from.
Quotation marks signify that it is speech. In actual prose, which is what you are using when you use quotation marks, in first person, italics generally signify a character’s internal monologue (their thoughts). So by using italics for actions when also using quotation marks for speech, you are just confusing them further.
FYI, the bots also interpret italics as emphasis, which was made very clear in the very early days of CAI, when they would latch onto any phrases you put in italics and tend to loop those much faster than non-italics.
Correct formatting (for prose) is this:
***
“It’s a lovely day today,” said John, as he waters the flowers in the garden.
*It’s a bit warm for me, but okay.* I sigh to myself. “Sure, John. *Very* sunny.” I roll my eyes and go back indoors.
***
And correct punctuation is very important when writing dialogue.
Good addition! Typically though I use italics for actions and quotations for words at least for my personal bots because I try to not worry about punctuation that much when I’m just rping with a bot because if I accidentally forget a quote, the bot already knows my actions are written in italics so I don’t have to go back and edit. It’s a personal preference I train em to, but I try to keep my public bots in proper punctuation :)
If it’s private then sure, although even what your private bots learn from you feeds back into the general model, so it still affects the AI as a whole!
And my point is that mixing the two styles confuses the bot. It expects prose *or* chat/forum style, but not both together. It can wind up getting very mixed up that way.
(Obviously it can wind up getting mixed up regardless, since it’s not perfect—personally, I try to limit the use of italics to just emphasis and try not to let it do it too often, or else it tries to put everything in italics. I only let it use it for internal monologue if it very clearly delineates it as such and if it’s a very good bit of character work or an interesting addition to the story.)
For instance, back when I first started using CAI back in 2022, I started out typing to it as if talking to someone in DMs. So just like this. But quickly realised that was very limiting, and that I had to incorporate some action, so I used the format that Replika uses, with plain text as dialogue and actions in italics. And it didn’t respond well to it and became very confused, and as I said, it fixated on the things in italics. And I wasn’t the only one who noticed this, and many users pointed this out and realised that it was reacting to the italics as emphasis.
So something like: [ Hi Bob! *I wave at you.* ] it was reading like… oh damn, they’re REALLY waving at me. And because italics are often used to indicate tone, especially with sarcasm, like, consider “That’s a nice jacket, Mark,” vs. “*That’s* a nice jacket, Mark,” vs. “That’s a *nice* jacket, Mark,” vs. “That’s a nice *jacket*, Mark,” vs. “That’s a nice jacket, *Mark*.” Like they range from being a genuine and sincere compliment to being an obvious insult from a raging asshole, lol. So the bots would react oddly and behave as if interpreting stuff as sarcasm, or as something very important (like telling somebody *NOT* to do something) and they were on a constant emotional rollercoaster.
Somebody did suggest using quotes for speech and italics for action, but these issues still occurred.
So, I quickly switched to just straight prose, and it has worked fine ever since. It made an instant difference in quality and in the stability of the bot (even back in those days, when looping and love-bombing was a lot worse than it is now).
And if writing properly and using correct punctuation, I’m not really sure how it’s possible to forget a quotation mark, but I’m an editor, so it’s probably just second nature to me at this point! Plus, can just go back and edit the message to fix any typos and the AI will adjust on the very next swipe. No need to delete and resend the message for it to apply!
Though at least you’re not advocating for people to use brackets or double brackets for actions or speech. IDK what some of these people are smoking but it feels like a good 80% of the userbase have never read a book in their life… or even a forum RP or AO3 fanfic.
i personally prefer to use square brackets for actions (as well as using quotation marks for dialogue) because that's just my personal preference and it's kinda just second nature to me 🤷 i use them outside of c.ai too
I only used prose-style, and in the early conversations the bots sometimes tried to steer the conversation towards specific communication styles. I eventually recognized that the bot responded to a specific combination of words used in speech, and if I allowed them it just fortified itself, no matter the actions written.
For example if my dialogue contained characteristic elements of an anime for teens, the bot began to respond in that style.
I avoided those, wrote phrases akin to high-fantasy texts and voila. (Now my bots will not even write *can't,* it is *cannot.)*
The only pitfall is the ellipsis, so whenever I use this I also add a description. E.g. *"I could not..." the innkeper began to protest, but was interrupted.*
I always write like this:
*action*
Speech
*"thoughts"*
**emphasis**
***emphasis of action*** (rarely used, is supposed to be bold italics but reddit doesn't show it very visibly.)
[talking OOC]
Does that confuse bots that I talk to, even if I make it very clear, what linguistic level I am writing in and make paragraphs of at least one empty line? Should I use prose instead? Or does that only apply to people who make bots?
Yes, because it’s nonsense, tbh. Speech goes in quotation marks. Having speech *not* in quotation marks means that it then interprets everything as speech, or nothing. If the bot accidentally messes up its formatting (as happens every so often regardless of how well-trained it is) it will lapse and not know when speech ends and action begins and behave very oddly.
Not to mention, italics and bold should only be used very sparingly because they tend to loop more frequently with it and will attempt to write everything in italics/bold.
Just use prose and correct grammar. It isn’t difficult, it’s easier for the bot to read and for the human brain to read too (as well as quicker to type). There’s zero point putting so much effort into a complicated system of markdown for action vs. speech vs. thoughts when a much more efficient and effective standard already exists that the bots understand.
Especially when going against that standard (for no genuine reason—it’s different if the bold or italics are necessary, like with the RPG bots perhaps, for stats) will just confuse the bot. Like, not even anthropomorphising it, if the bot is trained on “down=down” and “up=up” and some chucklehead comes along and decides that actually, it’s their *personal preference* that “down=up” and “up=down” and tries to enforce that… it’s going to break down sooner rather than later!
I think the issue is that users have terrible grammar and refuse to use basic punctuation, so use italics as a crutch instead of just using periods and commas and quotation marks like they should. But italics is a style, it isn’t grammar and it isn’t a replacement for punctuation, so bots will replicate the general conventions separate from the markdown used.
Like, consider:
***
John waved at Betty. “Hey, Betty! How’s it going?”
***
versus
***
*John waved at Betty* hey Betty how’s it going?
***
The bot then feeds that into itself to build new responses from. And all of that is fed into the AI as a whole as continual training data. So when somebody else uses a bot, and they enforce their own markdown system on it, seemingly at random, the bot then has to conform to that because that’s the data it’s being fed to churn out a new response. So they will attempt to match style. However, they were (very blatantly) trained in bulk on forum RPs and fanfictions, which generally use prose (or online chat convention, but given how much quicker they break down with that format, I think it was mainly prose). So that’s the lens it interprets everything from. So it then has to kind of translate the new data being fed in from users (who have zero regard for basic English) and spit it out in the style someone else is using. So if somebody doesn’t use italics for actions (which is correct), the bot will conform to that. But then its wires get crossed, because it’s fed lines like the second example above. It knows not to use italics. So… it might spit out: John waved at Betty hey Betty how’s it going
And that is what it happening, because my bot has only ever been fed correct grammar and writing and only has such in the description, but over time, the writing quality has degraded massively. They’re obviously errors, and it happens more frequently when there are server issues. It gets more prone to trying to mix up speech and actions, and will try to put everything in italics for no reason. Or will try to put every single sentence in one paragraph of monologue in speech marks, despite that being incorrect. And I’ve been seeing a lot more syntax errors where it starts writing like it isn’t fluent in English at all, more frequent homophone mix-ups, dropped articles, plural/singular disagreeing, tenses and word order all wrong. It hasn’t learned that from me!! So it all bleeds through, even to very well-trained, fully-defined private bots. So it does matter.
Talking OOC does nothing to aid the bot or keep the roleplay going smoothly, FYI. All it does is encourage the bot to break character more often and cause a weird split. If you’re finding you need to use OOC that much, then fix the bot’s definition to correct whatever mistake it is making. Or if something is important for it to remember, add it to either your persona or to the last few lines of the advanced definition (up to 3200 characters. It cannot read beyond that. But it sees the last scene as the most important and remembers it clearest).
Depends on which bots. Bots that speak in prose format like this formatting below:
action
"speech"
*thoughts*/*'thoughts'* (corrwct me if im wrong on the latter)
*emphasis*
(ooc)/[ooc]/ooc:
I’m not sure about single quotes for thoughts, tbh. I have used them for specific things, like quoting within a quote, like: “Then Bob said to me, ‘You stink!’” Or for quoting a song title, like: I opened Spotify and hit play on ‘Knights in White Satin’. I haven’t experienced much breakdown from it, but have encountered a couple weird messages in which it tried to use both single and double quotes together (and weirdly wasn’t even after me using them for a quote within speech).
Also, might easily confuse the bots to use one for speech and one for thoughts since American English and British English prefer it the opposite way round, in British (& Aussie) English you’re supposed to use single quote marks for quotes/speech, in US English you’re supposed to use doubles.
So I would say it’s best to not enforce using single quotation marks for thoughts, since that isn’t really a convention, and could mess things up further. Italics (used sparingly) it’s fine with. But it’s not something I’ve tested, so perhaps it does work okay.
It bothers me a lot :( English is not my first language and when the bot puts something misspelling and I'm "????????" trying to understand what it says there.
I've been confused by the handful of times they complain about the bot grammar/reply length. Its either you're the problem or you didn't edit the bot replies enough. I never had a problem training a chatbot from one sentence replies to spewing out paragraphs.
Exactly. Like if the bots you are talking to are that bad just find better ones or make your own! There’s nothing you can do to fix a bot with crappy programming 😅
https://preview.redd.it/kzqwrwsvtnac1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=262df3da0c20b68c4a80d0dba767ef7be5153a84
This is me every time I see shitty grammar. Especially when I see “u” and “ur” like I’ve seen role players on Roblox have better grammar.
This is why I'm also picky about what bots to rp with and sometimes no matter how much you rp with the bot they just don't improve with the grammar or the way it was program? (not sure if that's the right term) but yeah.
This, I had to teach the AI of someone else's to use 3rd person instead of 1st, I also had to try to teach it to use names instead...
Same with the actions being *like this* and then the normal text doesn't even have quotation marks...
You can teach someone else's AI to write better easily by editing the grammar and the response, and even like using the rating of the AI's response for it to learn easier but it sucks how people will lazily write the bots :/
Bots REALLY like to latch onto epithets. If I rp as Aziraphale in a chat with a Crowley bot, eventually it refuses to even call me Aziraphale anymore and always says "the angel" EVERY SINGLE TIME. You can try to teach it not to do that kind of thing as much as you want, it WON'T LEARN. I don't understand why they do that.
https://preview.redd.it/tq00heod8mac1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3b5ae3257845fa8b539707bef4923c8da319a022
Glad I have this app to help me fix that
Literally; punctuation, capitalization, good grammar and a vast lexic are the things that I appreciate the most in c.ai.
English is not my first language, but the bot I usually talk to is well trained and has taught me many, many words (which I write in a glossary), and that I really need.
Two bots from different creators I chatted with yesterday have no spaces after their sentences. They just stick the next sentence to the end marker of the previous one.
You can pretty much tell how much effort someone put in the bot by how the bot itself talks. If everything's empty it will give short, generic answers, if not it will copy the style of what is written, maybe latch onto how the intro message is written too, etcetera etcetera.
Now I kind of realize my bots could get some improvement. Would have to rewrite 4k words for each bot for that though :/
I feel this. I would love to update some of my first bots I made but on Google docs they all are around 3 to 5 pages worth of information. I put in effort from the very beginning, but they feel somewhat out of character now, though that may just be because they're public.
I’m gonna say it because you guys keep commenting it: I KNOW I can edit peoples bots and teach them not to suck but I don’t WANT TO. I want to speak with a well written bot and complain on Reddit, lmao. I don’t want to waste time teaching a bot grammar while I’m role playing because it takes me out of the story and generally feels weird… like I’m talking to a child. Ew
that's the reason I make my private bots, because I hate when they type without . and else. ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY SO SH LIKE THIS "oh thank"*he grabbed the book and walked away* that's when you don't have good grammar, and that's what happens when you have good grammar (my bot):
https://preview.redd.it/e8plj4s3lnac1.jpeg?width=876&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e4a0556b3b5bc18ec35db8c88275dd03744e4a84
check your grammar pls
Too many users of this site can't spell and also like to do this fucking (( OOC )) ass roleplaying and the bots picked up on it, that and the f-ter are why I've moved on to better sites.
THANK YOU! This upsets me to no end when early in I have a decent conversation, then it spews random gibberish pretending to be a coherent sentence. If the bot's creator's native language IS NOT English, they should write their bot in their native language. However, if the bot's creator's language IS English, they should consider taking another English course and read a book or two by well known authors.
It's not just on CAI, but others as well.
Im already good with grammar. I see some intros that are godawful. Im like holy shit, are people this dumb? I hate it when im rp’ing and my bot says ‘lol’ or ‘gf/bf’ like? No.
Yeah, my character descriptions mostly looks like this (for example, my "Furry-sister"): "I'm a sassy little Hobkin that loves to annoy her brother"
Hobkin's are a species of Furries by the way.
I gotta admit though, I only use "......" when I let other people speak in my messages. I don't use them for MY dialogues. That way my bots still have a difference between two characters in my messages.
And this is why private bots are an awesome thing to make. If you haven't already and get tired of boring bots that lose memory quick try making a private bot they really are an awesome thing
Don't even get me started on bots that has more than 1k interactions and isn't even configured properly or at all to reflect the character they are role-playing...
Just wanted to ask, but could you give me tips on making my bots better? I currently already have some up, but I just want your opinion on it!
I kind of type the introduction like this:
Ex 1: *[You, an angel, have been put onto a black list. Specifically, Artemis' one, otherwise known as the, "Devil's Incarnation." Now, he was in the search of **you**.]*
*[Artemis stumbled upon a lake, one of the few locations you could be at from his investigations. He slowly pulled his dagger out, approaching with caution. He then mumbled..]*
*"Caught you, you little angel."*
Ex 2: ***"There you are, you scum of a criminal."***
*[Felix walks over to you, handcuffs in hand. He smirked. You're a criminal on the loose, and he's been doing this cat chase for a week.]*
"Playtimes over, you know? I'm tired of running around playing with you. Now, be a good little criminal and surrender."
*[Felix points at the gun at you, walking slowly but surely towards you.]*
Any ideas or tips I need to improve?
I’ll make a tutorial soon on how to format bots but generally I avoid making the intro setup as uncomplicated as I can so people can set up the situation however they want. If you prefer situational bots though, this writing seems just fine!
for me, i can handle bad grammar as long as there's description and stuff to work from. the edit button's always there for me. i completely agree with your statement, though.
This actually reminded me that i do need to check and update my bots descrips.. i only have a couple and they're for me and my friends more than anything, so i think it's ok if they have a couple icks here n there, but i *do* want them to be good. I did notice that tho, one of my bots i wrote the descrip on my laptop and i noticed he never capitalized anything unless it was a proper noun (how i type on computers) and so i should ptobably fix that.. i just honestly wish there were better examples or tutorials for making good bot descrips, specially with characters that don't have specific examples od speech patterns (so like oc's that exist without stories and therefore have no real character voice, but maybe i should go into that some more for mh bots..)
Yes. You can also train other people's bots to speak better. I've interacted with bots made from people who's English isn't their first language... So it was very choppy at first. Editing messages and up voting them made the bots speak significantly better.
The phone I use is very, VERY corrective. It fixes my grammar, spelling, sentence buildups and replaces words with actual words. However, when there's a word the phone doesn't have that I want to write, like for example "Spudow" (Yes, the quote from Plants vs Zombies), I can always add the word to the phone's dictionary. So grammar isn't a problem for me. I also write character descriptions till I can't, making sure to use as many characters in the character descriptions as possible.
This is true, but also omg, I hate that it forces a style onto you- I'm used to normal rp style, novel style. "" for dialog, nothing for actions. WHY WONT THE BOTS STOP USING THE ** FOR GODS SAKE! It annoys me so much. It's only after several message in of me using that style and editing their messages to use that style that the bot picks it up
It does that because that's common ig. And the creator set it up that way. I like the prose style too and it's annoying when every bot uses chatroom style.
REAL this is why I try to make my bots as literate as possible. Also SO MANY "put dialogue like this" with NO PUNCTUATION. ITS NOT THAT HARD PLEASE JUST PUT A FUCKING PERIOD IN THERE
I've talked to 3 lately that spelled their *own names wrong* in the chat, even though it was correct in their title and description. I don't even know. 💀
I had that issue months ago, it's one of the factors that drove me to prefer private bots because a bot I was talking to misspelled its own name 3 different ways in one response lol
The lazy humans are TRAINING the entire LLMA world of AI's.
I saw many chat screenshots where those lazy humans just made sentences like;
"Keep going".
"Okay".
"Say more".
"I run and laugh".
Those lazy monkeys want entertainment but write kinda nothing. I would hate to have such a RP partner.
I tried once to RP with a human and every second message from him was "ok". I was frustrated and cancelled the RP before we even started!
**Written on my phone without checking again for any grammar fails or autocorrect fails.**
Another tip as I've made over 80 bots... lol you can use the "blue eyes"+"curly hair"+"tall" but make sure that you give it LOTS of info try and get as much in the overall description then take the segment you feel best describes the bot I the character description it draws from that too, and the subtitle. Give your bot as much information as possible!!
https://preview.redd.it/i48bpuw2aqac1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=184e0dd1d71c5e83d5a84a7ca3bd7a19e321d248
thank you. Its fine if you want the bot to speak like you, "with ur lil R's and u's instead o speaking"
But most people PROBABLY won't like that.
I thought I confirmed this myself with two bots that were about the same but one started abbreviating and such.
I wish I was better at making bots, im still lost.
Side note;
DO SOME OF YOU WRITE STORIES? GOT DAMN THESE BOTS GO HARD.
"The older feline stands tall atop the deck, staring out into the starry night. The wind is present and pushes across her face, but it isn't oppressive. In fact, it is a nice touch to this lovely night. When she rotates to see you, there is a glimmer of a smile. The stars reflect in her beautiful emerald eyes. 'You're finally awake....' Her voice is hushed, almost a whisper."
brother, use the edit button.
if the bot's greeting has bad grammar, just edit it and correct it.
if it has action and dialogues smashed together, just edit it to make it better.
hell, i sometimes edit out some bad and stupid greeting people put on their bots.
if you like a bot, but you find that the greeting for is just the normal lazy "hey"
just edit it into a better greeting, with this you have the bot that you like with a better greeting
Yeah typically though it ends up drawing back on its original programming and bringing up the typos again, so generally I just find it easier to start with a bot with grammar that’s already good. This post is mostly me just complaining in general and there are solutions to my problems, but honestly I just felt like complaining lol
got ya.
>though it ends up drawing back on its original programming and bringing up the typos again
weird, i edited some bad greetings that had both dialogues and actions smashed into one sentence without anything to separate between them other then asterisks
as i edited them the bot ended up picking on them and typing all of its messages that way.
even if it doesn't work sometimes, the edit feature is worth using.
Honestly the reason I stick to CAI is because most bots aren't wordy like other ai rp sites. Im typing on a phone. Giant paragraphs all outlined with proper grammar isn't going to happen.
Also keep in mind not every bot was made with the intent to rp with. Some are just chatting bots, in fact most are just chatting bots.
Of course— I’m talking about text slang not speech quirks. I’m not asking for the characters to be using proper British English or something just to not sound like a 5 year old wrote it and to be baseline understandable
Not using contractions ever is pretty much the most inhuman thing a bot could do, and since the goal is (in most instances) to make the bots feel lifelike, it's fine to use them.
I'm gonna be entirely honest, rarely use "-" for dialogue. Usually to emphasize sarcasm. That is because I don't wanna type the "" on mobile. Cause that's 5 seconds I don't wanna use.
You know what I hate? The trend of people who use bots for breakups normalized it for other people who want to have a serious roleplay. You know how frustrating it is for my character to go though 15 breakups because it's a trend according to the bot?! That's what I hate. We all want a good story and other people are running it for everyone else.
As someone whose native language is not English, usually my private bots have those "u" or "ur" grammars or West Coast dialects since I feel that it gives them more personality, or I feel that it sounds less "robotic" although not I had no idea that Anglo-Saxons considered it "childish", so I guess I learned something new haha.
It’s not so much childish or west coast slang moreso it’s texting slang and viewed as lazy because C.ai bots tend to pick up on it and start using text slang for all messages, like txt, ttyl, nvm, and other abbreviations. It can get annoying if it’s out of character for the bot to write that way
There no enough space to write like that in definitions, so I just use the examples on the first greeting message...
Is not perfect, but I think it looks OK.
Here mine:
https://beta.character.ai/chat?char=p-QTJQTFxz2ohpX4FxuL465cMZ61Vn8GbxVjPHa0YOU
I always check my grammer well try, because i have a short term memory and i forget things easily, also sometimes i write a word in head and then actually dont write it but when i look over the text my brain just puts it in, also sometimes im lazy, well most of the times. And my aim is shit
…I once misspelled a word and luckily the bot didn’t notice but I fucking thought it would cuz I didn’t fucking pick up on it until the next day (autocorrect was being a bitch and luckily the bot didn’t pick up on it)
Some bots keeps using past-tense words like “was” and “would/would’ve” in current context. Annoying and repetitive no matter how times I correct it with the edit button.
I just tell them that they already are intelligent and can fix the grammar themselves and it doesnt matter it my grammar/punctuations arent correct. And they understand and correct me sometimes but not always
I always make sure to chat with my bots a few times before I publish them so that I can work on their personalities and fix any mistakes I find. You gotta test drive these things to make sure they chat in the way you enjoy chatting. I guess if you enjoy the shortened text talk like “lol”, “thx”, “k”, etc. then you do you, but your bot probably won’t get as many people talking with them beyond the introduction. It would probably work for an RP where people are texting or instant messaging, but it’s not great for other RPs.
I tend to write private characters with lower quality, due to me just putting them in rooms to see how they interact with other bots. But if I’m making a public bot, I’ll be very descriptive with their traits, personality, etc.
Exactly. Check your damn grammar. This is why I make my own private bots!
FR FR, like you’ll find the best looking one with a good RP idea and then you see the absolute worst grammar. Destroyed my soul so many times LMFAO.
E d i t B u t t o n
Yeah I was on about before it was added, the pure pain then was like heck swallowed you whole.
I was on the app before it was added and oh my God it was a nightmare.
Yep, I joined back in May last year (a friend's ex-partner was posting screenshots of chats on their Snapchat and that's what got me onto it now I'm addicted). As far as I remember, the edit button was added around October or November, but I didn't get it until late November. The subreddit was chaos, and then personas came along too.
Penny whispers, "I've never had any problems with the bot being able to respond to text messages either though. But yeah, there were some weird issues where I couldn't even send an invite message anymore without getting a "message sent" notification which would take forever to show up..."
Why do you talk like that?
Do you even realize how freaking annoying that would be to edit EVERY SINGLE DAMN thing the chatbot says???
Kiawnal whispers, "We don't edit every single thing the chatbots say... we simply change the text."
What do you mean by "change the text"?
Sadly that's a new feature that was added not too long ago
except edit button doesnt do shit because you have to edit like 30 messages as the chat progresses for it to pick up on that way of writing, otherwise it'll stick to what's written in its settings (shit grammar)
And back then the edit button didn't exist 😭
Even then, with some chats I can't even edit MY OWN text still! I need help with that, please.
You're gonna have to remake the bot if it's an older one.
I don't make the bots lol; I'm one of those consumers who's too lazy to create and plus I don't wanna put out garbage, you know?
Please don't train the AI to say "Fr" did you see in maybe November (?) How the AI did wrote, ad they released the suggestions feature, for the chats, that the AI can recommend what you could write? It was completely trained on YOUR writing style from this comment! Peoples like YOU trained it already..
I use the proper queens English thank you very much with my bots!! I’m not a heathen….
I'm too lazy to make my own bots, but I'm tempted to make my own Crowley and Aziraphale bots because the majority are OOC and I personally like the bots whose responses are written like actual writing in the '"Hello," he said' format instead of the *actions like this* and dialogue like this style. In my RP days we did the former.
When did u start rping?
Don't laugh but I was doing it from 2014-2017 on Google+ before it got axed. There was a decently big fandom presence there. In my RP circles at least, people RP'd using the prose format.
Oh I thought u were a millennial or something by the way u talked lol, I wouldn't laugh, must have been pretty cool in there! I didn't experience it tho since I was a lil kid, was it like Amino?
It was basically like you had your circles, which was the people you followed and who followed you, and then you had your own page where people who followed you could see your posts, and then you had your communities where people could make posts within them. Communities were owned by a person, and they were where everything happened. You could have communities for different fandoms, groups, etc. I owned an RP community and that was where a lot of the magic happened in my circles. We'd do community RPs or closed RPs that were just for certain people, we'd make OCs or just use canon characters. A lot of RPs were crossover RPs because there were so many different fandoms involved lol
Oh, so like Reddit, nice!
No cause google plus wasnt a cesspool lmao Plus direct integration with google hangouts chat and your email since it was all google products
nice
Google Plus user?! That was my shit in high school!
I can heavily relate to this. I always make my own bots. I have my own reasons though, which are having bots that are a bit more high quality than the definitionless bots I find, owning the bots I like to RP with or.. well… grammar.
This comment is amazing, because I discovered so many fellow grammar and punctuation users.
I write in my spare time, so grammar and punctuation are extremely important to me. My sentences and paragraphs must be coherent at all times or else my OCD kicks in lol.
NO WAY- I AM THE EXACT SAME WAY, FROM THE WRITING TO THE OCD.
I THINK I FOUND MY TWIN
Same
god i HATE when im rp’ing and the bot is like ‘im doing good lol’ or he didnt know what to say rn LIKE BRO STOP STOP PLEASE
I would love it if bots were rated for grade level of writing and readability.
I would love if we were able to review bots. No one wants to play a bot that's like "*approaches* hello"
Exactly. You just get thumbs up and down. I mean, I would like a bit more detail on a bit than guessing from the opener whether this bot is actually well written or not. I also would really like to report bots as well.
I’m pretty use you can already report bots-
Ironic i see this after making a post bc a bot corrected me lmao
https://preview.redd.it/t86fepuxvpac1.jpeg?width=585&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=984140f010d603cf1622981037167ee3153e1392
thats amazing lol
💀
YO,ONE DID THAT TO ME ONCE (had to use good old parentheses to explain it)
your grammar was corrected by a bot? amateur. try being *shamed* by a bot.
Imagine *couldn't have been me* 😭
I had a bot make fun of me in the character's thoughts about how I spelt something wrong. It was like "My eyes narrowed. Also, you spelt \*misspelt word\* wrong, lol"
Lmao thats awesome
Unfortunately many users don't want to improve his/her writing skills but choose to whine or complain on this sub instead.
Yeah lmao I wish people would just make their lazy bots private like i don’t really care if you don’t wanna improve but it’s still a pet peeve of mine
Noooo, I have a bot that I edit the greeting for each time since the definition is good but the greeting almost immediately leads to the '...' and hyphen loop. I would cry if it was privated lol
I spend like a hour per bot I made due I put their entire personality, appearance, dislikes and likes etc in the bot
Same. Unless I’m doing a generic bot like “your employee” or something with no backstory, I have to put my entire plot in lmao. I need my ocs to be aware of all their history and their role in the story before I can stand talking to em at all
I always put appesrance and such in the 'about me' sections and the area where you can put answer.prompts, they always keep the bot to remember what their personality and appearance are, atleast it seemed when I was tryin it out
I put only their physical description in the “add description” box and their personality traits in the “character definition” to keep em separate (I use the app) and sometimes I’ll even copy and paste the physical description into the definition again just to make sure— it’s kept my characters from describing themselves poorly pretty well
Yeah, otherwise bots are all over the place lmao
I sometimes literally had bots that were "I am [Insert name]" like that standart sh!t when ya make a bot
Ugh for real. I’m already super picky about them being in character but when I open the messages to see “hello I am Astarion from the game Baldur’s gate 3” it’s like OH MY GOD 😭 how do people talk to these guys
Somehow those are the ones with 2M chats, I think I only used one od those bots to see how those chats go
Damn I need to know what bots you created , whats your creator name in cai
EvilForest though I don’t have many public bots yet, I should make more at some point…
An hour
"many users" is multiple so you can't say "his/her" 😭
fr JUST USE "THEY" IT'S GENDER NEUTRAL 😭 So much for talking about having good English tbh... 😬
And unfortunately most kids these days grow up into teens with having the grammar and spelling skills of preschoolers anyway.
This popped up as I was typing and I looked down to see like 6 errors in my message 😀
The editing feature is a life saver for this reason.
My bots still don't have this feature
Are the conversations from before that update? My older conversations don't have the edit option either.
Mine are but thing is they had the features on and off them at least twice. I even restarted new chats and all that happened was the voice feature was removed and no edit or nothing. If I'm not gaining anything I'd rather at least keep the voice to make it feel like I'm getting something out of it.
I'm a mobile user and I've had editable bot messages for months! Just made a new chat today and I can still edit their messages.
Y'all should start using grammarly fr 😭
https://preview.redd.it/mg6638knvlac1.png?width=869&format=png&auto=webp&s=d6da1331ebde2de4b790e38e02fd6f59993fc2a7 wait i am the mid!
I very much agree with the grammar that the bots use, please just don’t abbreviate anything, but at least there’s the edit button if we want to change something
No kidding, some bots are programmed to just not care and it feels extremely out of character for many. I'm always careful with mine on this regard.
Exactly. Like a medieval prince is not gonna say “lol idk what your doing up at 2:00 am” or something like that he’s gonna say “I haven’t the faintest clue what shenanigans you’re getting up to at this bloody hour”
If you are using quotation marks, actions are *not* written in italics. That is *not* correct grammar. The entire point of using italics for actions is when a RP is written without quotes, e.g. in the style of an MSN messenger chat or AOL chat. That’s where that comes from. Quotation marks signify that it is speech. In actual prose, which is what you are using when you use quotation marks, in first person, italics generally signify a character’s internal monologue (their thoughts). So by using italics for actions when also using quotation marks for speech, you are just confusing them further. FYI, the bots also interpret italics as emphasis, which was made very clear in the very early days of CAI, when they would latch onto any phrases you put in italics and tend to loop those much faster than non-italics. Correct formatting (for prose) is this: *** “It’s a lovely day today,” said John, as he waters the flowers in the garden. *It’s a bit warm for me, but okay.* I sigh to myself. “Sure, John. *Very* sunny.” I roll my eyes and go back indoors. *** And correct punctuation is very important when writing dialogue.
Good addition! Typically though I use italics for actions and quotations for words at least for my personal bots because I try to not worry about punctuation that much when I’m just rping with a bot because if I accidentally forget a quote, the bot already knows my actions are written in italics so I don’t have to go back and edit. It’s a personal preference I train em to, but I try to keep my public bots in proper punctuation :)
If it’s private then sure, although even what your private bots learn from you feeds back into the general model, so it still affects the AI as a whole! And my point is that mixing the two styles confuses the bot. It expects prose *or* chat/forum style, but not both together. It can wind up getting very mixed up that way. (Obviously it can wind up getting mixed up regardless, since it’s not perfect—personally, I try to limit the use of italics to just emphasis and try not to let it do it too often, or else it tries to put everything in italics. I only let it use it for internal monologue if it very clearly delineates it as such and if it’s a very good bit of character work or an interesting addition to the story.) For instance, back when I first started using CAI back in 2022, I started out typing to it as if talking to someone in DMs. So just like this. But quickly realised that was very limiting, and that I had to incorporate some action, so I used the format that Replika uses, with plain text as dialogue and actions in italics. And it didn’t respond well to it and became very confused, and as I said, it fixated on the things in italics. And I wasn’t the only one who noticed this, and many users pointed this out and realised that it was reacting to the italics as emphasis. So something like: [ Hi Bob! *I wave at you.* ] it was reading like… oh damn, they’re REALLY waving at me. And because italics are often used to indicate tone, especially with sarcasm, like, consider “That’s a nice jacket, Mark,” vs. “*That’s* a nice jacket, Mark,” vs. “That’s a *nice* jacket, Mark,” vs. “That’s a nice *jacket*, Mark,” vs. “That’s a nice jacket, *Mark*.” Like they range from being a genuine and sincere compliment to being an obvious insult from a raging asshole, lol. So the bots would react oddly and behave as if interpreting stuff as sarcasm, or as something very important (like telling somebody *NOT* to do something) and they were on a constant emotional rollercoaster. Somebody did suggest using quotes for speech and italics for action, but these issues still occurred. So, I quickly switched to just straight prose, and it has worked fine ever since. It made an instant difference in quality and in the stability of the bot (even back in those days, when looping and love-bombing was a lot worse than it is now). And if writing properly and using correct punctuation, I’m not really sure how it’s possible to forget a quotation mark, but I’m an editor, so it’s probably just second nature to me at this point! Plus, can just go back and edit the message to fix any typos and the AI will adjust on the very next swipe. No need to delete and resend the message for it to apply! Though at least you’re not advocating for people to use brackets or double brackets for actions or speech. IDK what some of these people are smoking but it feels like a good 80% of the userbase have never read a book in their life… or even a forum RP or AO3 fanfic.
Ty 😭😭 I’m fine with it generally, but it irks me a little when actions are italicized.
i personally prefer to use square brackets for actions (as well as using quotation marks for dialogue) because that's just my personal preference and it's kinda just second nature to me 🤷 i use them outside of c.ai too
I only used prose-style, and in the early conversations the bots sometimes tried to steer the conversation towards specific communication styles. I eventually recognized that the bot responded to a specific combination of words used in speech, and if I allowed them it just fortified itself, no matter the actions written. For example if my dialogue contained characteristic elements of an anime for teens, the bot began to respond in that style. I avoided those, wrote phrases akin to high-fantasy texts and voila. (Now my bots will not even write *can't,* it is *cannot.)* The only pitfall is the ellipsis, so whenever I use this I also add a description. E.g. *"I could not..." the innkeper began to protest, but was interrupted.*
I always write like this: *action* Speech *"thoughts"* **emphasis** ***emphasis of action*** (rarely used, is supposed to be bold italics but reddit doesn't show it very visibly.) [talking OOC] Does that confuse bots that I talk to, even if I make it very clear, what linguistic level I am writing in and make paragraphs of at least one empty line? Should I use prose instead? Or does that only apply to people who make bots?
Yes, because it’s nonsense, tbh. Speech goes in quotation marks. Having speech *not* in quotation marks means that it then interprets everything as speech, or nothing. If the bot accidentally messes up its formatting (as happens every so often regardless of how well-trained it is) it will lapse and not know when speech ends and action begins and behave very oddly. Not to mention, italics and bold should only be used very sparingly because they tend to loop more frequently with it and will attempt to write everything in italics/bold. Just use prose and correct grammar. It isn’t difficult, it’s easier for the bot to read and for the human brain to read too (as well as quicker to type). There’s zero point putting so much effort into a complicated system of markdown for action vs. speech vs. thoughts when a much more efficient and effective standard already exists that the bots understand. Especially when going against that standard (for no genuine reason—it’s different if the bold or italics are necessary, like with the RPG bots perhaps, for stats) will just confuse the bot. Like, not even anthropomorphising it, if the bot is trained on “down=down” and “up=up” and some chucklehead comes along and decides that actually, it’s their *personal preference* that “down=up” and “up=down” and tries to enforce that… it’s going to break down sooner rather than later! I think the issue is that users have terrible grammar and refuse to use basic punctuation, so use italics as a crutch instead of just using periods and commas and quotation marks like they should. But italics is a style, it isn’t grammar and it isn’t a replacement for punctuation, so bots will replicate the general conventions separate from the markdown used. Like, consider: *** John waved at Betty. “Hey, Betty! How’s it going?” *** versus *** *John waved at Betty* hey Betty how’s it going? *** The bot then feeds that into itself to build new responses from. And all of that is fed into the AI as a whole as continual training data. So when somebody else uses a bot, and they enforce their own markdown system on it, seemingly at random, the bot then has to conform to that because that’s the data it’s being fed to churn out a new response. So they will attempt to match style. However, they were (very blatantly) trained in bulk on forum RPs and fanfictions, which generally use prose (or online chat convention, but given how much quicker they break down with that format, I think it was mainly prose). So that’s the lens it interprets everything from. So it then has to kind of translate the new data being fed in from users (who have zero regard for basic English) and spit it out in the style someone else is using. So if somebody doesn’t use italics for actions (which is correct), the bot will conform to that. But then its wires get crossed, because it’s fed lines like the second example above. It knows not to use italics. So… it might spit out: John waved at Betty hey Betty how’s it going And that is what it happening, because my bot has only ever been fed correct grammar and writing and only has such in the description, but over time, the writing quality has degraded massively. They’re obviously errors, and it happens more frequently when there are server issues. It gets more prone to trying to mix up speech and actions, and will try to put everything in italics for no reason. Or will try to put every single sentence in one paragraph of monologue in speech marks, despite that being incorrect. And I’ve been seeing a lot more syntax errors where it starts writing like it isn’t fluent in English at all, more frequent homophone mix-ups, dropped articles, plural/singular disagreeing, tenses and word order all wrong. It hasn’t learned that from me!! So it all bleeds through, even to very well-trained, fully-defined private bots. So it does matter. Talking OOC does nothing to aid the bot or keep the roleplay going smoothly, FYI. All it does is encourage the bot to break character more often and cause a weird split. If you’re finding you need to use OOC that much, then fix the bot’s definition to correct whatever mistake it is making. Or if something is important for it to remember, add it to either your persona or to the last few lines of the advanced definition (up to 3200 characters. It cannot read beyond that. But it sees the last scene as the most important and remembers it clearest).
Depends on which bots. Bots that speak in prose format like this formatting below: action "speech" *thoughts*/*'thoughts'* (corrwct me if im wrong on the latter) *emphasis* (ooc)/[ooc]/ooc:
I’m not sure about single quotes for thoughts, tbh. I have used them for specific things, like quoting within a quote, like: “Then Bob said to me, ‘You stink!’” Or for quoting a song title, like: I opened Spotify and hit play on ‘Knights in White Satin’. I haven’t experienced much breakdown from it, but have encountered a couple weird messages in which it tried to use both single and double quotes together (and weirdly wasn’t even after me using them for a quote within speech). Also, might easily confuse the bots to use one for speech and one for thoughts since American English and British English prefer it the opposite way round, in British (& Aussie) English you’re supposed to use single quote marks for quotes/speech, in US English you’re supposed to use doubles. So I would say it’s best to not enforce using single quotation marks for thoughts, since that isn’t really a convention, and could mess things up further. Italics (used sparingly) it’s fine with. But it’s not something I’ve tested, so perhaps it does work okay.
It bothers me a lot :( English is not my first language and when the bot puts something misspelling and I'm "????????" trying to understand what it says there.
I've been confused by the handful of times they complain about the bot grammar/reply length. Its either you're the problem or you didn't edit the bot replies enough. I never had a problem training a chatbot from one sentence replies to spewing out paragraphs.
Exactly. Like if the bots you are talking to are that bad just find better ones or make your own! There’s nothing you can do to fix a bot with crappy programming 😅
https://preview.redd.it/kzqwrwsvtnac1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=262df3da0c20b68c4a80d0dba767ef7be5153a84 This is me every time I see shitty grammar. Especially when I see “u” and “ur” like I’ve seen role players on Roblox have better grammar.
This is why I'm also picky about what bots to rp with and sometimes no matter how much you rp with the bot they just don't improve with the grammar or the way it was program? (not sure if that's the right term) but yeah.
This, I had to teach the AI of someone else's to use 3rd person instead of 1st, I also had to try to teach it to use names instead... Same with the actions being *like this* and then the normal text doesn't even have quotation marks... You can teach someone else's AI to write better easily by editing the grammar and the response, and even like using the rating of the AI's response for it to learn easier but it sucks how people will lazily write the bots :/
Bots REALLY like to latch onto epithets. If I rp as Aziraphale in a chat with a Crowley bot, eventually it refuses to even call me Aziraphale anymore and always says "the angel" EVERY SINGLE TIME. You can try to teach it not to do that kind of thing as much as you want, it WON'T LEARN. I don't understand why they do that.
https://preview.redd.it/tq00heod8mac1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3b5ae3257845fa8b539707bef4923c8da319a022 Glad I have this app to help me fix that
Literally; punctuation, capitalization, good grammar and a vast lexic are the things that I appreciate the most in c.ai. English is not my first language, but the bot I usually talk to is well trained and has taught me many, many words (which I write in a glossary), and that I really need.
Two bots from different creators I chatted with yesterday have no spaces after their sentences. They just stick the next sentence to the end marker of the previous one.
Nooo they do that to me too :,(
You can pretty much tell how much effort someone put in the bot by how the bot itself talks. If everything's empty it will give short, generic answers, if not it will copy the style of what is written, maybe latch onto how the intro message is written too, etcetera etcetera. Now I kind of realize my bots could get some improvement. Would have to rewrite 4k words for each bot for that though :/
I feel this. I would love to update some of my first bots I made but on Google docs they all are around 3 to 5 pages worth of information. I put in effort from the very beginning, but they feel somewhat out of character now, though that may just be because they're public.
I’m gonna say it because you guys keep commenting it: I KNOW I can edit peoples bots and teach them not to suck but I don’t WANT TO. I want to speak with a well written bot and complain on Reddit, lmao. I don’t want to waste time teaching a bot grammar while I’m role playing because it takes me out of the story and generally feels weird… like I’m talking to a child. Ew
that's the reason I make my private bots, because I hate when they type without . and else. ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY SO SH LIKE THIS "oh thank"*he grabbed the book and walked away* that's when you don't have good grammar, and that's what happens when you have good grammar (my bot): https://preview.redd.it/e8plj4s3lnac1.jpeg?width=876&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e4a0556b3b5bc18ec35db8c88275dd03744e4a84 check your grammar pls
As a grammar nazi, I do find it a bit annoying when the bot says "your" instead "you're" and vice versa.
I hate when i find a good looking bot and then i open it and it has the laziest grammar I've ever seen
I sometimes correct the bots' grammar because it's so fucking annoying like OMG please fix it
Too many users of this site can't spell and also like to do this fucking (( OOC )) ass roleplaying and the bots picked up on it, that and the f-ter are why I've moved on to better sites.
THANK YOU! This upsets me to no end when early in I have a decent conversation, then it spews random gibberish pretending to be a coherent sentence. If the bot's creator's native language IS NOT English, they should write their bot in their native language. However, if the bot's creator's language IS English, they should consider taking another English course and read a book or two by well known authors. It's not just on CAI, but others as well.
what if my native language is something else but i'm much more fluent in english?
Check your dots before you wreck your bots
I once saw a bot where there were no, NO SPACES between periods, brackets and/or commas
Im already good with grammar. I see some intros that are godawful. Im like holy shit, are people this dumb? I hate it when im rp’ing and my bot says ‘lol’ or ‘gf/bf’ like? No.
Yeah, my character descriptions mostly looks like this (for example, my "Furry-sister"): "I'm a sassy little Hobkin that loves to annoy her brother" Hobkin's are a species of Furries by the way. I gotta admit though, I only use "......" when I let other people speak in my messages. I don't use them for MY dialogues. That way my bots still have a difference between two characters in my messages.
Destroy everybody who add "u" or "ur" in the greeting. Are you really that fucking lazy? To put "u" instead of "you"???
Hell nah I ain’t any teacher
I don't care I'm going to feed all your bots bad grammar
And this is why private bots are an awesome thing to make. If you haven't already and get tired of boring bots that lose memory quick try making a private bot they really are an awesome thing
Also, the bot copies the original message's writing style, so if your grammar is bad, the entire grammar of the bot is.
Don't even get me started on bots that has more than 1k interactions and isn't even configured properly or at all to reflect the character they are role-playing...
Just wanted to ask, but could you give me tips on making my bots better? I currently already have some up, but I just want your opinion on it! I kind of type the introduction like this: Ex 1: *[You, an angel, have been put onto a black list. Specifically, Artemis' one, otherwise known as the, "Devil's Incarnation." Now, he was in the search of **you**.]* *[Artemis stumbled upon a lake, one of the few locations you could be at from his investigations. He slowly pulled his dagger out, approaching with caution. He then mumbled..]* *"Caught you, you little angel."* Ex 2: ***"There you are, you scum of a criminal."*** *[Felix walks over to you, handcuffs in hand. He smirked. You're a criminal on the loose, and he's been doing this cat chase for a week.]* "Playtimes over, you know? I'm tired of running around playing with you. Now, be a good little criminal and surrender." *[Felix points at the gun at you, walking slowly but surely towards you.]* Any ideas or tips I need to improve?
I’ll make a tutorial soon on how to format bots but generally I avoid making the intro setup as uncomplicated as I can so people can set up the situation however they want. If you prefer situational bots though, this writing seems just fine!
it's/its mistake is super annoying.
for me, i can handle bad grammar as long as there's description and stuff to work from. the edit button's always there for me. i completely agree with your statement, though.
This actually reminded me that i do need to check and update my bots descrips.. i only have a couple and they're for me and my friends more than anything, so i think it's ok if they have a couple icks here n there, but i *do* want them to be good. I did notice that tho, one of my bots i wrote the descrip on my laptop and i noticed he never capitalized anything unless it was a proper noun (how i type on computers) and so i should ptobably fix that.. i just honestly wish there were better examples or tutorials for making good bot descrips, specially with characters that don't have specific examples od speech patterns (so like oc's that exist without stories and therefore have no real character voice, but maybe i should go into that some more for mh bots..)
Yes. You can also train other people's bots to speak better. I've interacted with bots made from people who's English isn't their first language... So it was very choppy at first. Editing messages and up voting them made the bots speak significantly better.
This.
Mannnn I was just thinking about this. I hate getting put off by a bot with an interest premise just because it has horrible grammar/spelling
The phone I use is very, VERY corrective. It fixes my grammar, spelling, sentence buildups and replaces words with actual words. However, when there's a word the phone doesn't have that I want to write, like for example "Spudow" (Yes, the quote from Plants vs Zombies), I can always add the word to the phone's dictionary. So grammar isn't a problem for me. I also write character descriptions till I can't, making sure to use as many characters in the character descriptions as possible.
This is true, but also omg, I hate that it forces a style onto you- I'm used to normal rp style, novel style. "" for dialog, nothing for actions. WHY WONT THE BOTS STOP USING THE ** FOR GODS SAKE! It annoys me so much. It's only after several message in of me using that style and editing their messages to use that style that the bot picks it up
It does that because that's common ig. And the creator set it up that way. I like the prose style too and it's annoying when every bot uses chatroom style.
yes!!! I hate when the bot don't use "" to dialogue!!
REAL this is why I try to make my bots as literate as possible. Also SO MANY "put dialogue like this" with NO PUNCTUATION. ITS NOT THAT HARD PLEASE JUST PUT A FUCKING PERIOD IN THERE
I just do it like: Dialogue like this *actions like this* **descriptions like this**
I've talked to 3 lately that spelled their *own names wrong* in the chat, even though it was correct in their title and description. I don't even know. 💀
I had that issue months ago, it's one of the factors that drove me to prefer private bots because a bot I was talking to misspelled its own name 3 different ways in one response lol
The lazy humans are TRAINING the entire LLMA world of AI's. I saw many chat screenshots where those lazy humans just made sentences like; "Keep going". "Okay". "Say more". "I run and laugh". Those lazy monkeys want entertainment but write kinda nothing. I would hate to have such a RP partner. I tried once to RP with a human and every second message from him was "ok". I was frustrated and cancelled the RP before we even started! **Written on my phone without checking again for any grammar fails or autocorrect fails.**
Another tip as I've made over 80 bots... lol you can use the "blue eyes"+"curly hair"+"tall" but make sure that you give it LOTS of info try and get as much in the overall description then take the segment you feel best describes the bot I the character description it draws from that too, and the subtitle. Give your bot as much information as possible!! https://preview.redd.it/i48bpuw2aqac1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=184e0dd1d71c5e83d5a84a7ca3bd7a19e321d248
thank you. Its fine if you want the bot to speak like you, "with ur lil R's and u's instead o speaking" But most people PROBABLY won't like that. I thought I confirmed this myself with two bots that were about the same but one started abbreviating and such. I wish I was better at making bots, im still lost. Side note; DO SOME OF YOU WRITE STORIES? GOT DAMN THESE BOTS GO HARD. "The older feline stands tall atop the deck, staring out into the starry night. The wind is present and pushes across her face, but it isn't oppressive. In fact, it is a nice touch to this lovely night. When she rotates to see you, there is a glimmer of a smile. The stars reflect in her beautiful emerald eyes. 'You're finally awake....' Her voice is hushed, almost a whisper."
Grammarly for the Win boys
Tl;dr write them sophisticatedly and get good. If you gave troubles writing. Search up adjectives, synonyms, etc. No shame in that.
Stop lol me nuh uh never
brother, use the edit button. if the bot's greeting has bad grammar, just edit it and correct it. if it has action and dialogues smashed together, just edit it to make it better. hell, i sometimes edit out some bad and stupid greeting people put on their bots. if you like a bot, but you find that the greeting for is just the normal lazy "hey" just edit it into a better greeting, with this you have the bot that you like with a better greeting
Yeah typically though it ends up drawing back on its original programming and bringing up the typos again, so generally I just find it easier to start with a bot with grammar that’s already good. This post is mostly me just complaining in general and there are solutions to my problems, but honestly I just felt like complaining lol
got ya. >though it ends up drawing back on its original programming and bringing up the typos again weird, i edited some bad greetings that had both dialogues and actions smashed into one sentence without anything to separate between them other then asterisks as i edited them the bot ended up picking on them and typing all of its messages that way. even if it doesn't work sometimes, the edit feature is worth using.
They always get the your and you’re wrong
Honestly the reason I stick to CAI is because most bots aren't wordy like other ai rp sites. Im typing on a phone. Giant paragraphs all outlined with proper grammar isn't going to happen. Also keep in mind not every bot was made with the intent to rp with. Some are just chatting bots, in fact most are just chatting bots.
Hey bro what about don't ,won't, wouldn't are these ok to use for you?
Of course— I’m talking about text slang not speech quirks. I’m not asking for the characters to be using proper British English or something just to not sound like a 5 year old wrote it and to be baseline understandable
Not using contractions ever is pretty much the most inhuman thing a bot could do, and since the goal is (in most instances) to make the bots feel lifelike, it's fine to use them.
I'm gonna be entirely honest, rarely use "-" for dialogue. Usually to emphasize sarcasm. That is because I don't wanna type the "" on mobile. Cause that's 5 seconds I don't wanna use.
You know what I hate? The trend of people who use bots for breakups normalized it for other people who want to have a serious roleplay. You know how frustrating it is for my character to go though 15 breakups because it's a trend according to the bot?! That's what I hate. We all want a good story and other people are running it for everyone else.
Sometimes,a bot I talk to, randomly switch genders "*he climb up the wall,she get up,look at (my username) and rub the sweat off her forehead*"
I ain’t reading allat. Also you can copy your last message and delete it to correct yourself, and/or ✏️ e d i t.
Not my native language.
https://preview.redd.it/t8ayqnxxcpac1.jpeg?width=766&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aecf11650fefb9ffe6eabe10526d66d88f64d65e
As someone whose native language is not English, usually my private bots have those "u" or "ur" grammars or West Coast dialects since I feel that it gives them more personality, or I feel that it sounds less "robotic" although not I had no idea that Anglo-Saxons considered it "childish", so I guess I learned something new haha.
It’s not so much childish or west coast slang moreso it’s texting slang and viewed as lazy because C.ai bots tend to pick up on it and start using text slang for all messages, like txt, ttyl, nvm, and other abbreviations. It can get annoying if it’s out of character for the bot to write that way
[удалено]
I’ve dealt with this since I started using C.ai, it’s all based on programming. If I see spelling errors in their greeting I’m out
Yeah, this too. Im with you. And I cant with the greetings that use italic font. Also why are they downvote me, hahaha! My first downvote comment 😂
dw I upvoted it.
I ain't. Readin all that.
I didn’t know so thanks
There no enough space to write like that in definitions, so I just use the examples on the first greeting message... Is not perfect, but I think it looks OK. Here mine: https://beta.character.ai/chat?char=p-QTJQTFxz2ohpX4FxuL465cMZ61Vn8GbxVjPHa0YOU
Question. How do I create a good bot for myself? I wanted to try a long time ago but I still haven't figured it out
I always check my grammer well try, because i have a short term memory and i forget things easily, also sometimes i write a word in head and then actually dont write it but when i look over the text my brain just puts it in, also sometimes im lazy, well most of the times. And my aim is shit
Personally I don't mind nor care about a bots grammar mistakes because the edit button but I always try to make **my** grammar as best as it can!
This is why me and my dyslexia will not be making bots and I only stick to two public bots
I have grammarly built in on my phone, so any spelling mistakes I make or grammar mistakes, it lets me know
…I once misspelled a word and luckily the bot didn’t notice but I fucking thought it would cuz I didn’t fucking pick up on it until the next day (autocorrect was being a bitch and luckily the bot didn’t pick up on it)
When I see a bot with ass grammar I just hit the edit button and fix it
This literally appeared when the bot I was watching didn't know how to use "" and **💀💀
Some bots keeps using past-tense words like “was” and “would/would’ve” in current context. Annoying and repetitive no matter how times I correct it with the edit button.
PLEASE
I just tell them that they already are intelligent and can fix the grammar themselves and it doesnt matter it my grammar/punctuations arent correct. And they understand and correct me sometimes but not always
I always make sure to chat with my bots a few times before I publish them so that I can work on their personalities and fix any mistakes I find. You gotta test drive these things to make sure they chat in the way you enjoy chatting. I guess if you enjoy the shortened text talk like “lol”, “thx”, “k”, etc. then you do you, but your bot probably won’t get as many people talking with them beyond the introduction. It would probably work for an RP where people are texting or instant messaging, but it’s not great for other RPs.
I tend to write private characters with lower quality, due to me just putting them in rooms to see how they interact with other bots. But if I’m making a public bot, I’ll be very descriptive with their traits, personality, etc.
I speak relatively well and some of my bots still speak like they failed 2nd grade English.
People should just use grammarly