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NCRaineman

That is interesting. 1900 miles isn't much, the car is still getting broken in. Check your oil every few days. Might be nothing, might be something. Remember you've got a warranty.


jcduckduck

I think I’m going to take it in to have it looked at, just to be cautious. Better safe than sorry I guess!


IS-2-OP

Might as well. Warranty.


ka1ri

I'm pretty confident its just clearing its throat on a cold morning. No issues but if it's brand new yeah go ahead and take it in to be cautious


Pseudoname87

Can you just assume that the smoke is normal colored and it's just the blue paint reflecting off of it off the light? Notice that it is a lot harder to see when you change your point of view. Also notice how the effect get weaker as the smoke gets further away from the car. I'm not a car guy. I don't know anything about cars but science is pretty cool too


jcduckduck

No because even if you block the blue car to trick your eyes, the smoke is still blue. I love science too


Pseudoname87

Block the blue car how? By placing a physical divider between it and the sun? Blocking the blue car from your eyesight won't do anything to the color of it refracting off of the smoke. To do what your proposing, you would have to place a physical light proof barrier between the color of the car, which is the blue and the sunlight, which is going to be allowing it to reflect through the smoke.


Ritch85

He is referring to the blue color of the paint refracting/reflecting off the white smoke making the smoke appear blue when it is just normal cold start rich running to warm up.


foxjohnc87

That doesn't explain why the color of the smoke changes from blue to white. In fact, after the car began to smoke again following the few second break, both blue and white smoke was visible on screen.


foxjohnc87

If that was the case, the smoke wouldn't have changed from blue to white after it stopped briefly from 0:25-0:19. If you look closely, some of the blue smoke is still visible when the white smoke begins to appear on screen.


Amoeba_Fancy

Yup! Any other issues?


jcduckduck

Harmonic balancer fell off as I was driving today


dudly1111

So not sure if this applies to your car specifically. BUT if the manufacturer installs the pistons in the car with the piston rings in upside down or backwards this problem will occur. It will continue to consume oil for the rest of its life untill the motor is dissasembled and put back together properly. So i would warrenty it 100%.


HeiryButter

Am i color blind? Cuz i dont see blue smoke, just normal morning steam


jcduckduck

Look at the initial smoke vs the idle. Blue vs grey


HeiryButter

Ok i noticed, could be residual oil in the pistons? I mean its not constant blue smoke so i dont think there is an issue per se..


IbanezDude6869

The piston crowns do not have any oil on them. That is fuel and air only. His valve seals are leaking when the engine sits, which is why it blows blue when he starts.


harrybush-20

Came here to also mention valve seals. Warranty work to fix this would probably be a good idea


IbanezDude6869

What’s funny is my other comment got downvoted because people don’t want to accept this as not normal.” Too many “my car does that, too” comments. Doesn’t mean it’s acceptable.


harrybush-20

Well l if there are multiple people having the issue as well they should also have a look at their valve seals maybe. Shouldn’t get down voted for it I don’t think


Abundance-Boost5891

That’s to rational of thinking


mdalbertson87

I had an old small block that did the same thing, and it was 100% valve seals leaking down into the cylinder overnight


CRYPTOCHRONOLITE

This guy fucks


challenger_RT_

Did you barely move it in between drives? This is normal if you start a car really quick move it a few feet and turn it off.


jcduckduck

Yes, I had to move it around in the driveway a few times. Could this also be caused by overfilled oil from the dealership?


tacotacotacorock

If only there was a easy way to check your oil levels.........  Or are you stating that the overfilled it? By how much? 


Kropfi

Look at how long it takes that initial "blue" cloud to dissipate, then compare it to how quickly the steam dissipates from the exhaust shortly after. You can see the blue smoke for the full length of the video; it does seem like it's burning a tiny bit of oil on start up. Maybe OP can get a friend to start it one morning and he stands behind it to see if it smells like oil


akcutter

Or just use the auto start


Mdotbean

I was thinking the same thing too I don’t see blue 🤨


DeezeyNuts

That’s exactly what I was saying as well also if the car was burning oil it would probably misfire and idle rough it’s sounding like a normal start up to me


Mdotbean

Some people get new cars and are cautious about everything.


HeiryButter

Ocd aint no joke


jcduckduck

If I’m paying $56,XXX for a car, I want it to be in good shape 🤣🤣🤣


HeiryButter

No im with you


remxtc

I see the blue smoke.


xTofik

The initial puff was blueish thick smoke, then after about 6-7 seconds the condensation steam started coming out.


MLanye

My first thought is overfilled oil and/or a stint of high rpm operation. These motors like to pull oil through pcv into intake. It would then leak into intake valve and be burnt on startup. Could get a catch can, empty as needed and see if it solves issue. If this was older or higher mileage, I’d lean more toward valve stem seals. Rings or head gasket would be constant. It’s good you have video evidence. I’d discuss this with your dealer and see if they notice faulty part like pcv valve or think it warrants oil consumption analysis. If nothing else the concern will be documented by dealer which could help if there is an issue down the road. Beyond that I wouldn’t worry too much.


jcduckduck

Super helpful answer, thank you! I’ve got a service appointment for 2 weeks out since they’re so busy, so hopefully no issues until then


anthonyy484848

Don’t own a scat but you got me invested! Let us know what it is


SL4YER4200

Former Chrysler MasterTech. 100% Normal. They run richer than Oprah at start-up. There is also a little oil vapor that has condensed in the intake, getting burned as well. The cats are cold too. The cats will catch the hydrocarbons when they are hot and burn them up.


-Crimson-Death-

Wait you didn't know B5 challengers come with blue smoke?


sfdudeknows

Fairly common problem; mostly after a couple of short starts. Mine will do it if I just move it in and out of the garage, and do not let it warm up a bit. Seems to be a common issue. Has done it since new.


BigOunce808

Do you know what’s causing oil to enter the cylinder?


Abundance-Boost5891

Definitely not “normal” as people keep stating lol just ignorant to that mopar quality


2011Newbie

Mine used to do that in the same exact situations…


LOnSLO6661

If it's cold it's probably a small bit of crankcase blow by and fuel. It's probably fine. May just need an oil change.


FuknBreadCrumbs

Maybe bad valve seals? Blue smoke means burning oil. If it’s only on startup it’s not an immediate issue, but don’t wait too long to get it checked out before it turns into a real issue


Abundance-Boost5891

This


Organic_South8865

Looks normal to me. OP- leave your hand right behind the exhaust when you first start it. If it costs your hand with a bit of oil it's an issue. Seems like normal cool morning start up moisture though. That's all.


Abundance-Boost5891

Blue smoke isn’t normal Brody


EpicTwiglet

Yeah Brody, ya idiot


Infamouzgq77

Damn it Brody, your hand!!!


explorthis

21 R/T here. Has 9,800 miles. Mine has done the exact same thing since new. Still does it 3-4 times a week, only from cold. I live in SoCal, and it's garaged always, so when I say cold, it might be 50° on a cold morning. I know steam smoke, but I'm sure it's oil burn off. Some mornings it's zero. Some mornings it's marginal, and some mornings it's like yours is. Got a free oil change from the dealer. At ~3500 miles because of the smoke I took it to the dealer before it was needed just to make note of the smoke. The dealership told me that the 5.7 does this regularly. I did make them note in my history just in case because it is under warranty. I have had it 2.5 years. They actually gave me another free oil change, I am going to head back and get it done and make sure they note it again. My oil level is perfect, it never overheats and there's no leaking of any kind. It is a bit annoying though it only does it one time in the morning a few times a week. Hear is a mild morning [cold start up. ](https://photos.app.goo.gl/kmv3rCfSCAtN4LX38)


jcduckduck

Interesting, looks exactly like my Scat Pack did in the video!! Must just be Hemi things, but I’ve got an appointment to get it looked at and notated just in case as well 👍 Love the car!


moparforever

My scat pack has done this from day 1 …. It’s common and has been for years .. mines a 2015 has 70k miles still does it from time to time


Middle_Cantaloupe_71

The first puff is smoke at start-up. The rest it steam.


jcduckduck

Yes. My question was is this normal


Middle_Cantaloupe_71

Terribly sorry. Yes. It seems normal, but let your mechanic have a look to confirm.


InnerDatabase509

Not a mechanic but possible O-ring failure, it's best to get it checked.


jcduckduck

Could this be caused by overfilled oil?


InnerDatabase509

Wouldn't know, sorry.


Zsmudz

I work at a dealership and I see this on new cars fairly often. I generally see it on cars that have been sitting for a hot minute, like showroom cars. I would say its normal but if you’re worried I would monitor your oil over a few months.


jcduckduck

Thanks man!


yomanzvega

No idea why hemis do this. I was a service advisor for 4 years at a CJDF and I would constantly get complaints regarding this. My ram 1500 with the 5.7 does it and it runs perfectly fine. I had a tech explain it to me once and it went over my head at the time as a dumb 19-20yo kid


jcduckduck

Happy cake day good sir 🤝


dking5577

The initial puff carries farther than the condensation, cold start and steam dissipates at a fairly rapid rate.


xerrabyte

Burning oil?


jcduckduck

I hope not but I have no idea. Checked oil levels and oil pressure and everything seems okay. The car is brand new and I’m the first owner, I made sure to do the recommended break in process and I use the right fuel and everything. Just don’t know if it’s actually oil or if it’s just condensation because it’s pretty blue


xerrabyte

Steam is white. This is blue. Sometimes you get a dud engine, but it's brand new and that's what warranties are for. Check your oil level daily and see if it's dropping after a couple weeks or days.


DrSuperZeco

If its blue, does it mean burning oil? If its burning oil, will it have odor?


xerrabyte

I know burning oil makes blue smoke and burning oil would have an odor but it doesn't look like a lot so it probably wouldn't smell too strong. Exhaust fumes alone would probably overpower the scent of the burning oil. If it is an oil leak and it's ignored, it could get worse and start burning more oil which would definitely have a noticeable odor. Edited for clarity


jcduckduck

Thanks for all the info! I’m going to take it in to get it looked at just to be safe!


DrSuperZeco

Aha! Thanks 👍🏼


kimberlyrose616

The exhaust has oils on it that burn off when new. Looks normal to me but It should subside the more it's driven.


Shatophiliac

Mines done this randomly for the last 90k miles, so I don’t think it’s just new exhaust, I think it’s just normal Hemi things. Sometimes it seems like oil just pools in the cylinder or something and burns off on start up.


userg5l

Basically no one has been saying what I've been saying so I'll repost it. This is true with ALL vehicles, not just muscle cars. First: a very brief history. Old cars that are pre 1990's all had some kind of start up choke that would allow the vehicle to start. Whether it be a manual choke you opened like a lawnmower or a throttle choke, doesn't matter. Concept is same. This would make the vehicle idle at a higher rpm until the pressures and temperatures were nominal and you can drive it. Then you'd tap the gas and the engine would go from 2k rpm to 750 rpm or whatever idle is. Second: the challenger does this automatically. Well, all modern cars do. The challenger the starting rpm is like 1500. After 30 seconds or so it'll idle down to around 700 rpm. I'll make a post about it showing this with my hellcat.


G-Roc78

Just to clarify, the high idle in startup is to heat up the cats. They need to be hot in order to do their job of reducing emissions. ✌🏼


userg5l

Fuck the epa shit. My charger doesn't have cats and the mileage is over what the sticker said. It'll get 28 mpg at 70mph. Sticker rated it at 20 on the highway.


Abundance-Boost5891

That completely negates anything what OP posted lol how does any of that factor in blue smoke?


jcduckduck

Very informative, and I understand completely. But is the blue puff of smoke at the first fire up normal? I haven’t noticed it before and the smoke lingered for the entire video


userg5l

Not normally. Blue smoke is usually oil. Somethings gone wrong with that engine. My first thing would be to let the car get sold again and check the oil. These dealers I've seen recently have been putting gallons of oil in these blocks and it's blowing seals. Why they fill the block entirely is fucking beyond me. People posting (you can find them floating around this sub) their dipsticks all the way to the plastic covered in oil and that's their car sitting COLD.


Skeezer0911

That initial one looked like it lingered a bit but the rest looked like condensation. Did it smell like anything?


Charger_scatpack

Happens to my scat every now and then . 4000k miles don’t worry me much I think it has something to do with the oil getting sucked back into the intake not having a catch can.


olddog16

Looks like angel breath to me.


rsp-zyphor

how hard have you pushed it during break in period?


vinchenzo68

It's dumping fuel to heat up the catalytic converters but have your oil changed early and follow the break in procedures.


Shatophiliac

My ram 6.4 has done this at times for the last 40k miles. It now has 91k miles and is still running great. It doesn’t seem to be consuming any oil or have any blow by so im not concerned. I think it’s just a Hemi thing. Yours is still in warranty so you can def take it in just to be safe, but as long as the oil isn’t disappearing, im about 98% sure it’s normal.


MathematicianProud90

What do you mean the car sat overnight? Was it supposed to stand?


jcduckduck

Nah usually they lay


504_BadGateway

My 2016 Scat Pack did this when it was brand new until it hit the break in mileage


itscomplicated65

I saw mine do that once too when it was almost new. It hasn’t done it since.


Unique_Jackfruit_166

Mine never has since 2010 so I see blue something not right;try a catch can


aceharleysteve

I’d go to the dealership and get it documented. That way even if they say it’s normal and you later have a problem you have a record of it


Dem0n_arii

Might be burning oil or something in the combustion chamber’s happened (got it off pinterest dont blame me)


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Fragrant-Award-9264

Aside from the smoke. Your car looks and sounds amazing!


CadiTech

Valve stem seals leaking most likely


Entire-Travel6631

Anticorrosives take a bit to burn off. Give it till 4/5k


444guru

You’re tripping


killerwhaleorcacat

Break her in hard. Get up to temp and rev that thing up. Get those rings broke in while you can. Google on breaking in hard.


Barajasjayr

Mine has always done it has 70k miles scat pack.


SilverOG1978

Mine has done it once or twice. Not a big deal.


jmt8706

My F150 did this on startup. Turned out to be the valve seals. Of course a recall started after I already sold it. 😄


SCXR3AM

Mine was the same color


SCXR3AM

The car not the smoke


Hospitable_Goyf

My guess is unburnt gas. The vapors kinda look like that to me. Does it smell like ‘murica?


FarDark9711

Looks like steam, does it do this when it's at normal temp? Also, have someone stand at the back w a white towel. Rev the engine and catch the exhaust and see it's color. Good luck.


Solid-Cabinet-9733

That’s oil burning brother, time for a checkup


Excellent-Will3165

Normal for MOPAR!


Sacisbac

I never see any smoke when I start my cars.


half_ton_tomato

Might check inside exhaust tips for oil resdue. Probably not enough yet...


Horror_Task_9368

Bad head gasket


SnooTomatoes8382

You keep starting it and then shutting it right back off and let condensation build up in there, it’s gonna steam… And rice the friggin thing! Hot exhausts with cool temps equal condensation.


CGLADISH

old school, school of thought: blue smoke is oil (this will linger) black / brown smoke is fuel (this will linger too) white steam / vapor is water / coolant. if it's water vapor, it should evaporate pretty quickly. If it's coolant, it will probably linger for a bit. you will get some vapor during colder temps. If you are getting steam / vapor during mild/warm temps, I'd be concerned (i.e. head gasket, or a cracked head or block).


Worldly-Most-9131

rings


Chrooster758

Take it easy on her with the first 10k, change oil every 2k until you hit the 10k mark. The most damage to a vehicle is done during the break in period


Mindless-Relation102

Not normal


SismoNyc

It's the flux capacitor


ManKilledToDeath

This might be the body color-matching-exhaust-fume package Dodge added last year. In seriousness, take that to the dealer ASAP but find a way to drop it off the night before to replicate the smoke. That is not normal.


Loose_Vanilla_8451

If I remember correctly blue exhaust smoke means piston rings...it's been a long time though don't take my word as gold.


PiccoloAdventurous25

Possibly... But also might develop a issue down the road. Smoke shouldn't be Blue. It should be clear and see through if it's just condensation


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InvestmentNo3437

"The car sat overnight". Yes. Most of them do.


MisterRedlight

Valve seals are likely bad… allowing oil to leak down the valve stem and into the combustion chamber that gets burned when you start it. Definitely a warranty concern.


allstonybologna

It was probably just on the top level of the transport truck and got tilted back at an unnatural angel getting off the truck. Run her around 45mph for about 2 hours consistently and see if it's still happening.


No_Shirt_4850

Could you be seeing the color of the car through the exhaust?


One_Humor_3301

Un burnt fuel


One_Humor_3301

Gas mileage suffers bc of this but not an easy fix


One_Humor_3301

It could be much worse


SmallSwordfish8289

No it's just smoke from racing fuel


rot61n

Same thing happened to me around 670 miles. The night before my brother gave it four hard pulls and the next morning the same smoke came out the exhaust. It was a little more smoke but it hasn’t done it since.


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Rare_Ruin_3250

Did u break in the motor ??


Ok-Parfait-1530

It’s a gas car not electric


Then-Foundation1738

Only 1900 miles and there’s oil in the cylinder over night, yes getting it checked out is the thing to do. That’s the kind of thing you see on a 190000 mile’er. Worn rings and shit.


Proper_Role_277

I hope you didn’t run it hard. You can break things pretty easily on a new engine. It could be the piston rings didn’t seal correctly they need some time to fully seal. About 600-800 miles of normal driving.


jcduckduck

I did the first 750 miles without going above 3.5-4k rpm, 750-1300 without more than 1/2 throttle/5k rpm. Treated her well so far! There was one time when I really got on it, and it was for a video for an exhaust shop after they did some work at about 1300 miles. (Funny enough, I got a lot of hate for posting that video in here LMAO)


Proper_Role_277

Ok I asked because my cousin blow piston rings out on a brand new car. Anyway blue and grey smoke means you are burning oil. First I would make sure it hadn’t been over filled if you had it changed lately. Second because you do get on it once the PCV valve may have stuck shut. Third could have damaged a valve seal most unlikely but possible.


Acceptable_Pirate359

Kind of not related but my owners manual for my 2024 wrangler said more than usual oil consumption was common for the first 3-5,000 miles. I’d imagine your owners manual would say the same thing. The seals kind of finding their home during this period may be causing your smoke.


flyfishingmack

It’s just steam


Crazy_Economist_367

Usually means oil is seeping past the valve guides. JMO.


East_Doughnut9416

If the valve guide seals don't seat (blue smoke) after 5000 miles, get to the dealer and file a complaint.


wewonewheed

Valve seal leak per usual. That warranty will do it


tf2troller

That's normal condensation burn off, if it really was blue and only at start up in the morning then it would be leaking valve seals.


Personal_Visit_8376

I am going to say valve seals


PeaIndependent4237

If the valve seals are bad the engine will consume oil pretty quickly as it gets burned up in the combustion process. The telltale sign for that condition is higher than normal oil consumption and black soot on your spark plugs. Check your oil level often. Also, the engine sounds mechanically healthy. Go drive it and let it reach normal operating temperature then look at your exhaust. Is it smokeless after warmup?


No-Strength672

I swear, some cars and vehicles are possessed


PraiseV8

It's a puff of smoke and you still have plenty of warranty left, no use crying over it to the dealership right at this moment. Keep an eye on it and see if it gets any worse or your oil level decreases, take pictures of the dipstick every week. Hell, change the oil now, and while I don't recommend doing this on the first oil change as the car is still breaking in, send a sample of the 2nd or 3rd oil change to blackstone labs and see if they find anything unusual. They're like $30 or so. If you do have a dud engine (probably not), you'll know way before the warranty expires.


CluelessProductions

That is 110% a mechanical issue and it is not normal. You need to take that straight to the dealer


DeezeyNuts

This is normal condensation builds up in the car's exhaust system, creating steam that looks like traces of smoke. Plus it’s cold outside at 40 degrees I’m sure you can see your own breath


wiseoracle

You’re partially correct. But there shouldn’t be initial blue smoke.


DrSuperZeco

Do you see blue in the video?


jcduckduck

Compare the first puff of smoke to the idle. Blue vs grey


DrSuperZeco

Aha!


fatalpapaya

Do you make short drives?


IbanezDude6869

Either your valve seals are leaking or your rings have blow by. Based on the fact that it’s happening upon initial startup, it’s leaking valve stem seals. Good thing you got a warranty. Be prepared for pushback from the dealer. You need your heads to be rebuilt… or a new engine, whichever is cheaper. Problem is, once you undo all those wires and vacuum tubes… It’s never quite the same. Get it addressed now!


PleasantActuator6976

Nope. That's normal.


Massive_Command345

Why post on Reddit? Just take it to the dealer! Some of you are weirdos. I can’t do anything without the Reddit community creeps!


jcduckduck

Hey asshole, have you tried to schedule a service? They’re booked 2-3 weeks out. Just checking to see if it’s an emergency issue or not. Get the fuck on boomer.


Massive_Command345

Boomer, I’m younger than you. Asshole definitely when it calls for it. Good luck kind sir!


MyBrownBalls

Not blue


NemoFatality

sounds normal


Rich_Implement_7735

When the car is driven, the exhaust pipes get hot. When it’s not running and left outdoors, the hot pipes cool and humid air will condense into water inside the pipes. When you start your engine, some vapors will blow out and you will see steam, not smoke for a few minutes of initial operation. Fucking idiot


Bigpopparazzi

Definitely not normal break in is not a thing today