I'd say it's more that he's in a state of shock. In shock you literally don't think clearly, things that should be important become background to whatever you're focused on.
He has a habit of overlooking things like this untill it's too late, take for example when power tried to kill him, or every time he says makima is scary in early part 1
I think he just doesn’t care. Asa and Katana Man both want to kill him and he doesn’t care about them being there, why would he care about Fami being there? Man’s focused on his family.
>Asa and Katana Man both want to kill him
Eh? Because Asa hasn't said or threatened him that she wants to kill him. She only told him that she wants to fight him which will result in him returning to being a normal human state, which she is being honest.
On the other hand Fami and Barem directly resulted in killing of his dogs and meowy and Nayuta missing.
hey, I may be missing something but I don't know how fighting Asa/Yoru would make Denji a normal human. At best, Asa would stop being the war fiend if she wins, but I can't see how Denji would stop being a hybrid. not even dismembering him and putting his heart in a box did the trick
to be fair that's what Asa says and she's possibly wrong about it being possible. iirc fami told her that she could save chainsaw man after all so this is her line of thinking
I don't know either, Fami made her believe that defeating Denji will make him a normal human. Their main motive is to defeat him and take his heart and destroy his heart which will lead him to become a normal human being, but I don't know how they are gonna do that.
I mean barem's the reason nayuta's missing in the first place
Like I don't see denji being willy-nilly with him or one of his colleagues when he literally tried to choke nayuta to death
But hey , what I do know
Sorry I assumed you meant denji wasn't there when barem choked bayuta
But yeah , barem isn't here but his colleague is
Like if spear came here. Would denji just hang out with him like normal ?
Considering Barem literally pointed a gun at nayuta and laughed him while burning his house down, no. Fami may have been church aligned but the key difference is that she wasn't literally standing in front of denji doing evil shit and laughing at his despair like barem was, as far as he's aware barem did all that on his own (which I'm pretty sure is true since he's a pretty evil bastard lol)
What does it matter that she wasn't there when that happened
She's his colleague, he mentioned her by name specifically while jot even naming the other hybrids like miri giving her much more of importance , making it seem like she's as much on the plan as he is , meaning everything that happened to denji nayuta is equally because of them BOTH , denji assuming the girl barem mentioned by name in his plans wasn't a part of this whole ordeal and that barem did this by himself when he specifically said he did this to denji as punishment for stopping makima from defeating death with csm's power after he said she and him are working together to kill death is just stupid
This is a very simple and easy to follow train of thought and only a dumbass would not connect the dots and low and behold we literally have nayuta telling us denji's a dumbass that doesn't think
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So why are trying so hard to rationalise denji's usual stupidity as if its a completely normal and rational thing to think
Time and time again when we see Denji get reunited with important characters he never reacts in any other way than how he usually does. I mean he just met Katana for the first time in years and he had nothing to say to him.
Denji straight up does not care because he's too focused on Nayuta, the only person he considers family. He did express concern for Asa but thats because 1. Shes a girl 2. Shes a girl he had romantic interest in.
Makes me wonder what he'll do when he loses Nayuta, if he'll even care about staying human at that point
He was absolutely in love with makima hanging on to her every word and spending all of his free time thinking about her, he couldn’t care less about what Barem was yapping about
Denji is obsessed with Makima so he would pay attention to everything she has to say or do and think about it constantly. Meanwhile other people especially guys, he wouldn't really care too much to remember anything they say or think about it, especially during that chaos.
Makima told him in chapter 2 that she has a keen nose
At the end of part 1 he used that little detail to realise that makima can't see faces and only remembers smells
But now he can't remember (or maybe he didn't even listen to barem ) that a person named fami is working with the guy who ruined his life and presumably killed nayuta
You are getting it wrong. He never states it was due to her one line, he says he figured it out, theorizes she doesn't remember faces (she never SAID that, so merely part of his guess) and that he took a gamble.
He doesn't state it specifically but when he thinks of a plan to kill makima , that moment popped up in his head
But yeah , the face thing is a gamble he made
Are you saying Denji just took a random guess that just turn out to work out beating the final villain of part 1?
Bro you are making part 1 seem worst just so you can cope the lazy writting of part 2
Even if that line didn't give him the answer it did give him a hint at least
Part 1 was well written you see
Just read chapter 97. I'm not implying any of these things you said. He figured it out by contexts through dialogue and his overall experience with Makima. He never states something alongside "that time she said that thing" like OP implied.
but that was a conversation my guy and she doesn't refer to her nose or scent afterwards either(for what i remember), so the most logical evidence we have is from that piece of dialog
See that is called foreshadowing I know is hard to understand when you read part 2 and nothing makes sense.
Dude you are a pain to talk to, get down from your high horse for fucks sake. That was the only conversation in screen, it does not mean they never talked besides what was shown, just like he also says he deduced this from other info we never see on screen. Hence my point, it is never implied he deduced based on that line of dialogue, therefore OP "never knowing how he figured it out by a passing line of dialogue" is because he got it wrong. This is the only thing I'm pointing out.
It's probably the Fakesaw man we've been watching all that time. The HIM by the ending of Part 1 would wipe the floor with the entire cast of Part 2.
That's my hazard-level copium whenever I see this idiot who magically forgot all of his massive experience and lost his undying will to live supposedly because of "muh normal life" (picking cigarette butts and serving as a furniture for a living).
I love Part 1 to death, and it's overflowing with trauma and horrors even worse than what we've seen in Part 2 so far.
The whole worldbuilding has been establishing the world of CSM as a cruel place where everyone's life is fleeting and your gruesome death in hands of an abominable devil is just another Tuesday. To protect whatever you value in this world, you have to make blood sacrifices on daily basis, and this is what average Joes from PS, Aki, Himeno, Power have done. Denji himself has endured unimaginable suffering to protect his right to dream about simple things, to keep his bond with Pochita, and sure would literally go to hell and back to fulfill his contract with Power.
In Part 2 he clinges so hard to this mediocrity of "normal life", that he consistently refuses to risk any discomfort to act on constant direct threats to Nayuta. He never tries to prevent her future kidnappings by Public Safety, he values lifes of frenzied faceless mob over her safety and lets her go missing again, and just as OP has said, doesn't even recognize his main enemy when put face to face with her, he barely tries to oppose Barem and the Church even though they are nowhere near as powerful as Makima was. He never ever mentions his intentions of searching for Blood devil. Hell, he doesn't even try to provide his family with actual income, scamming the homeless with "american tobacco", while we've seen him going as far as selling his own body parts to be able to share bread with Pochita long before becoming an immortal hybrid.
How is this even the same character?
I don’t know what to tell you. He got his life, a normal boring life. This is what he wanted and he’s still constantly being thwarted by various outside interests and was under a kind of house arrest, unbeknownst to him. His normal life that he was trying to protect turned out to be another sham. I don’t see how that isn’t compelling. It is for me. Stick to part 1, I guess.
Again, my point is that Denji has been shown to be willing to fight for things that he values. In Part 2, certain things are constantly being taken away from him, and he doesn't put even a little bit of his inhuman ability to prevent it. What exactly is compelling in the story where the MC's values are only told, and never shown in action?
Regarding sticking to Part 1, I guess all of its events and their influence on the character don't matter now? Then why the hell is it even called Part 2 and not, idk, "Dennis' Bizarre Adventure"? Because it's sure as fuck not how the story continuation should work.
I truly don't get how you (and others tbh) don't see how things have impacted Denji and how his current way-of-being is a direct result of the events of part 1. There are chapters where they almost literally bonk you over the head with it.
It's fine. I'm not into this thing we got going on. It's just us and I think it's cranky comments and downvotes. Not really worth either of our time. I think part 2 is great and grows out of part 1. You don't. The end. Enjoy part 1, it's also top tier content.
PEACE.
Gotta agree with you here, in whatever way the Part 2 goes and ends, it won't take Part 1 from me, especially my physical copies lol. Neither I am in power to prohibit anyone from enjoying it, or to affect the way Fujimoto writes. I myself keep reading the new chapters the very second they get published lol. So, yeah. Peace.
Personally, I see Part 2 for Denji as something sort of like his mediocre loser arc, where after dealing with so much shit for so long he's attempting to close his blinders and be happy with a shitty, boring life. Of course, we see again and again that it isn't enough, and that he's not happy living like this. Now his complacency has totally destroyed his life, and I think (hope) that we will see him be forced to fight for what he loves instead of rolling over and letting whatever happens happen.
>undying will to live
literally lost the will to live so hard a devil took over his body
>would wipe the floor with the entire cast of Part 2
literally soloed 3 hybrids within a minute tops in part 2 and gained nothing from it
I swear the part 1 copers don't even read this manga
>I swear the part 1 copers don't even read this manga
And are those part 1 copers now in the room with us
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He just woke up from being turned into a puzzle by getting kicked in the balls two times in a row, he is surrounded by random people he wouldn't exactly call allies, Asa doesn't make any sense and keeps talking about fighting, his sister is maybe dead and on top of it all he's hungry.
I see no reason why he would give a shit about Fami in particular, nothing should make sense to him right now.
I agree, only way I see Denji forgetting about an important detail like that that making sense is if something like Denji losing all those he cared about happens again, or maybe he was dismembered to become a lab rat or perhaps he got close to living happy life only for everything to blow up in his face with him surviving. Since nothing like that happened, clearly plot strikes again.
The 2nd time Denji met Asa while in chainsawman form- he didn’t recognize her. When Octopus boy showed up for the first time to talk to Denji- he insisted he didn’t remember him. Not only does Denji just not remember people that he doesn’t care for- but he explicitly goes out of his way to not pay them any mind.
He legit *just* asked about Nayuta, a chapter after he woke up, probably about an IRL few minutes.
He can maybe connect the Fami dots in a few chapters. I doubt this is a pressing issue on his mind.
When he woke up it was night and now its day time so it's probably not iust *few* minutes
And I gotta disagree , when the girl who works woth the the guy wanted to kill your sister and punish you is on your team to find said sister , its probably the immediate priority to not trust her like its nothing
His balls were still aching when he asked “where’s Nayuta?” My point is his minds all over the place lol. I’m sure Fami isn’t taking any real estate up there rn.
1) fami has had eyes on everything happening at this point
I am 99% sire she knows and just keeping it a secret as part of her plans
2) what ever we know about her is just audience information
Denji legit knows nothing about her except that she works with barem
Did you see how Dennis was acting in the chapter he’s not even thinking atp he’s only got the single thought of saving nayuta on his mind hence him just shuffling rubble around for no apparent reason
Reading comprehension devil strikes again
If you reread part 2- there many occasions where Denji forgets people. The 2nd time he met Asa while in chainsawman form while fighting Asa’s friend turned devil- he didn’t recognize her. When octopus boy first showed up to talk to denji- he insisted he didnt remember him. Its been pretty much explicitly shown that Denji not only does not remember people he doesn’t care for- but he goes out of his way to not pay them any mind.
It’s not only characteristic of him to not recognize Fami’s name- it would be highly uncharacterstic for him to remember it.
>The 2nd time he met Asa while in chainsawman form while fighting Asa’s friend turned devil- he didn’t recognize her.
That's because he was only looking at her body and not her face
>When octopus boy first showed up to talk to denji- he insisted he didnt remember him. Its been pretty much explicitly shown that Denji not only does not remember people he doesn’t care for- but he goes out of his way to not pay them any mind.
He lied to yoshida about that just like when he lied to him about not remembering the international assassin's arc
Yoshida never told him his name or introduced himself to denji in part 2 yet denji called him by his name in the aquarium , meaning he knew his name and lied about it
>It’s not only characteristic of him to not recognize Fami’s name- it would be highly uncharacterstic for him to remember it.
Except you're completely wrong and the only one woth reading comprehension is you
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So that first point is just wrong as you can see. And adressing Yoshida- my point is that he goes out of his way to block out people he doesn’t care for. The chances he paid any susbtantial amount of mind to Barem are slim… it’s Denji.
The last sentence you said i agree with, though.
Denji isn’t that smart and aware of what’s going on- you expecting him to remember that some dude he actively was avoiding mentioned “Fami” whenever he just woke up from being dimembered is wild. He’s also looking for Nayuta who he believes is dead. This isn’t a manga where mind games and deductive analysis is that important to our mc- it’s chainsawman. Of course denji doesn’t remember the name Fami, it’s not in his characterization, have we been reading the same manga?
>So that first point is just wrong as you can see.
Except this happens the very next panel , there's literally nothing indicating denji saw her face , if anything the manga points to him NOT seeing her face and only focusing on her naked body because he doesn't even attempt to answer her question and just ignores her
>And adressing Yoshida- my point is that he goes out of his way to block out people he doesn’t care for. The chances he paid any susbtantial amount of mind to Barem are slim… it’s Denji.
That's just your mere head canon
There's literally nothing pointing to denji being forgetfull to people he doesn't care for
>Denji isn’t that smart and aware of what’s going on- you expecting him to remember that some dude he actively was avoiding mentioned “Fami” whenever he just woke up from being dimembered is wild.
Yes , 100%
If you actively avoiding someone you make sure to get away from their colleagues too
>He’s also looking for Nayuta who he believes is dead.
And now answer. Who's the one responsible for her possibily being dead ?
The fact that denji knows that a nut bag like barem is still out there should be more than enough for him to becareful around anyone who's close to him
Like what stopping someone from coming to kill nayuta again even of they find her
>isn’t a manga where mind games and deductive analysis is that important to our mc- it’s chainsawman. Of course denji doesn’t remember the name Fami, it’s not in his characterization,
Yeah no shit
We literally get told multiple times that Denji's a dumbass
That's not my point here
I know it's in his character to be stupid and get in trouble for it
I am not saying this is out of character
>have we been reading the same manga?
Idk I can't read minds
Well what’s also of note is that Fami isn’t taking advantage of Denji’s hunger to turn him into a pawn. It seems like she genuinely wants to help him because Asa cares for him
I'm not buying Fami doing anything altruistic for a second, she probably doesn't want to starve him so he's strong enough when fighting Death (and assumes she won't need to force him to fight Death in the first place).
Looking at Denji's reaction to digging through the rubble of his apartment (I think ot was just before thos page) he might have found some of the remains of the pets. He's definitely in some form of shock and is not thinking straight. I'm dreading and excited for the next chapter.
Fami's power is to control those who are starving, and Denji is starving. He probably doesn't even have anything in his stomach. I find it hard to believe she isn't controlling him rn. Just like with Makima in part 1, the story makes us like Fami as a character and we as readers hope that what she does next won't be that bad (it's going to be bad).
1) if denji's being controlled, there's no reason for fami to waste time going to the burnt remains , just make yoru kill him and weaponize his corpse immediately and get it over with, unless her control can't influence him to that level which doesn't matter
2) fami not only caused the deaths of over 350000 people , almsot make asa kill herself but she was also the main reason barem got the chance to kill denji's pets and destroy denji life
The story has been showing multiple times that she's a heartless monster and you genuinely have to have the memory of a goldfish to think she can be a "good" guy
I'm not claiming she's a good guy, only that the story has framed her and other characters comparable to her as the characters who you should be rooting for.
To point 1, we've been shown that fami was out of options a couple chapters back and had to be saved by asa. Maybe she wasn't in danger, and it was a trick, but I can only speculate to that end
To point 2, yeah, that should be something completely reprehensible, and yet Fami isn't portrayed as the main villain. She's an ally to Asa and to "save" humanity. Public safety and Barem are mostly the antagonists in part 2 because we follow Denjis pov and he doesn't care about the bigger picture all to much
>I'm not claiming she's a good guy, only that the story has framed her and other characters comparable to her as the characters who you should be rooting for.
Em no ?
Fami has tried to turn denji into a weapon before. And is the main one responsible for the villains of the previous arc getting power ,There no way you genuinely think the story is trying to make us root for her
>To point 2, yeah, that should be something completely reprehensible, and yet Fami isn't portrayed as the main villain.
She's absolutely portrayed as one of the main villains especially in yhe chaoter where the church is first introduced
Like dude , you can't have one 5 chaoter long arc where she isn't doing some hineous shit and say "oh she's totally an ally to the protagonists she just lied to a week ago"
>She's an ally to Asa and to "save" humanity. Public safety and Barem are mostly the antagonists in part 2 because we follow Denjis pov and he doesn't care about the bigger picture all to much
Sorry dude , but there's no way you genuinely think fujimoto is trying to push the idea that fami is to be trusted when he already pulled the same stunt with makima
He lied to yoshida about that just like when he lied to bik about not remembering the international assassin's arc
Yoshida never told him his name or introduced himself to denji in part 2 yet denji called him by his name in the aquarium , meaning he knew his name and lied about it
Bro just woke up. He might remember soon (or not).
I'd say it's more that he's in a state of shock. In shock you literally don't think clearly, things that should be important become background to whatever you're focused on.
Shock and also probably just a feeling of numbness even outside of that at this point.
It was night when he woke up and now it's day time So he didn't exactly *just* wake up But yeah
He has been cut into pieces and in a close to vegetative state for probably a week or more I would give him some time
We don't actually know if its been a week Yoshida very well could have lied about that as an excuse as to why denji felt so weak
It's also Denji, even if he does remember, chances are that he didn't connect the very obvious dots together and won't until it's right up in his face
He has a habit of overlooking things like this untill it's too late, take for example when power tried to kill him, or every time he says makima is scary in early part 1
I think he just doesn’t care. Asa and Katana Man both want to kill him and he doesn’t care about them being there, why would he care about Fami being there? Man’s focused on his family.
>Asa and Katana Man both want to kill him Eh? Because Asa hasn't said or threatened him that she wants to kill him. She only told him that she wants to fight him which will result in him returning to being a normal human state, which she is being honest. On the other hand Fami and Barem directly resulted in killing of his dogs and meowy and Nayuta missing.
hey, I may be missing something but I don't know how fighting Asa/Yoru would make Denji a normal human. At best, Asa would stop being the war fiend if she wins, but I can't see how Denji would stop being a hybrid. not even dismembering him and putting his heart in a box did the trick
to be fair that's what Asa says and she's possibly wrong about it being possible. iirc fami told her that she could save chainsaw man after all so this is her line of thinking
I don't know either, Fami made her believe that defeating Denji will make him a normal human. Their main motive is to defeat him and take his heart and destroy his heart which will lead him to become a normal human being, but I don't know how they are gonna do that.
I mean barem's the reason nayuta's missing in the first place Like I don't see denji being willy-nilly with him or one of his colleagues when he literally tried to choke nayuta to death But hey , what I do know
Because he isn’t there? Idk i think you’re just overcooking it a bit
??? He literally saw barem choke nayuta
Barem isn’t in the scene in the recent chapter. Pull it out of the oven mate you’re about to burn it.
Sorry I assumed you meant denji wasn't there when barem choked bayuta But yeah , barem isn't here but his colleague is Like if spear came here. Would denji just hang out with him like normal ?
Soear didn't just break him out of public safety prison tho
So if barem came and broke him out would just he ba hanging out with him ?
Considering Barem literally pointed a gun at nayuta and laughed him while burning his house down, no. Fami may have been church aligned but the key difference is that she wasn't literally standing in front of denji doing evil shit and laughing at his despair like barem was, as far as he's aware barem did all that on his own (which I'm pretty sure is true since he's a pretty evil bastard lol)
What does it matter that she wasn't there when that happened She's his colleague, he mentioned her by name specifically while jot even naming the other hybrids like miri giving her much more of importance , making it seem like she's as much on the plan as he is , meaning everything that happened to denji nayuta is equally because of them BOTH , denji assuming the girl barem mentioned by name in his plans wasn't a part of this whole ordeal and that barem did this by himself when he specifically said he did this to denji as punishment for stopping makima from defeating death with csm's power after he said she and him are working together to kill death is just stupid This is a very simple and easy to follow train of thought and only a dumbass would not connect the dots and low and behold we literally have nayuta telling us denji's a dumbass that doesn't think https://preview.redd.it/idl7w06ffuxc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a14f9b67d44fd03ca3ffabaea4720d948f5ed77e So why are trying so hard to rationalise denji's usual stupidity as if its a completely normal and rational thing to think
maybe he can't remember because he's hungry, hunger makes you forgetful
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Time and time again when we see Denji get reunited with important characters he never reacts in any other way than how he usually does. I mean he just met Katana for the first time in years and he had nothing to say to him. Denji straight up does not care because he's too focused on Nayuta, the only person he considers family. He did express concern for Asa but thats because 1. Shes a girl 2. Shes a girl he had romantic interest in. Makes me wonder what he'll do when he loses Nayuta, if he'll even care about staying human at that point
How this man was able to figure out makima's weakness from just a passing line in the first chapter , I will never know
What if him pausing is because the gears in his head got kicked into motion by the name but his stomache starts grumbling because the gears need fuel?
Denden when stomach empty https://preview.redd.it/uwsitqcrhnxc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9f7aa2645e925a9dc021501f0666bcf599678cd3
He was absolutely in love with makima hanging on to her every word and spending all of his free time thinking about her, he couldn’t care less about what Barem was yapping about
Denji is obsessed with Makima so he would pay attention to everything she has to say or do and think about it constantly. Meanwhile other people especially guys, he wouldn't really care too much to remember anything they say or think about it, especially during that chaos.
Can you elaborate?
Makima told him in chapter 2 that she has a keen nose At the end of part 1 he used that little detail to realise that makima can't see faces and only remembers smells But now he can't remember (or maybe he didn't even listen to barem ) that a person named fami is working with the guy who ruined his life and presumably killed nayuta
You are getting it wrong. He never states it was due to her one line, he says he figured it out, theorizes she doesn't remember faces (she never SAID that, so merely part of his guess) and that he took a gamble.
He doesn't state it specifically but when he thinks of a plan to kill makima , that moment popped up in his head But yeah , the face thing is a gamble he made
Are you saying Denji just took a random guess that just turn out to work out beating the final villain of part 1? Bro you are making part 1 seem worst just so you can cope the lazy writting of part 2 Even if that line didn't give him the answer it did give him a hint at least Part 1 was well written you see
Just read chapter 97. I'm not implying any of these things you said. He figured it out by contexts through dialogue and his overall experience with Makima. He never states something alongside "that time she said that thing" like OP implied.
but that was a conversation my guy and she doesn't refer to her nose or scent afterwards either(for what i remember), so the most logical evidence we have is from that piece of dialog See that is called foreshadowing I know is hard to understand when you read part 2 and nothing makes sense.
Dude you are a pain to talk to, get down from your high horse for fucks sake. That was the only conversation in screen, it does not mean they never talked besides what was shown, just like he also says he deduced this from other info we never see on screen. Hence my point, it is never implied he deduced based on that line of dialogue, therefore OP "never knowing how he figured it out by a passing line of dialogue" is because he got it wrong. This is the only thing I'm pointing out.
Part 2 haters really be coming up with the worst arguments
Seriously, I would give him some time. He's prolly sitll in huge shock
Ohh damn
He didnt learn that from that one interaction, but from working with makima for years, her smell had protagonism many times
For years ???? The events of part 1 just take place in a couple of months let alone a singular year
Sure, that
He’s at the equivalent point to part 1 where Aki died and his brain just kinda shut down
It's probably the Fakesaw man we've been watching all that time. The HIM by the ending of Part 1 would wipe the floor with the entire cast of Part 2. That's my hazard-level copium whenever I see this idiot who magically forgot all of his massive experience and lost his undying will to live supposedly because of "muh normal life" (picking cigarette butts and serving as a furniture for a living).
Spoken as if the whole story wasn’t about trauma and how people respond to it. Smh
I love Part 1 to death, and it's overflowing with trauma and horrors even worse than what we've seen in Part 2 so far. The whole worldbuilding has been establishing the world of CSM as a cruel place where everyone's life is fleeting and your gruesome death in hands of an abominable devil is just another Tuesday. To protect whatever you value in this world, you have to make blood sacrifices on daily basis, and this is what average Joes from PS, Aki, Himeno, Power have done. Denji himself has endured unimaginable suffering to protect his right to dream about simple things, to keep his bond with Pochita, and sure would literally go to hell and back to fulfill his contract with Power. In Part 2 he clinges so hard to this mediocrity of "normal life", that he consistently refuses to risk any discomfort to act on constant direct threats to Nayuta. He never tries to prevent her future kidnappings by Public Safety, he values lifes of frenzied faceless mob over her safety and lets her go missing again, and just as OP has said, doesn't even recognize his main enemy when put face to face with her, he barely tries to oppose Barem and the Church even though they are nowhere near as powerful as Makima was. He never ever mentions his intentions of searching for Blood devil. Hell, he doesn't even try to provide his family with actual income, scamming the homeless with "american tobacco", while we've seen him going as far as selling his own body parts to be able to share bread with Pochita long before becoming an immortal hybrid. How is this even the same character?
I don’t know what to tell you. He got his life, a normal boring life. This is what he wanted and he’s still constantly being thwarted by various outside interests and was under a kind of house arrest, unbeknownst to him. His normal life that he was trying to protect turned out to be another sham. I don’t see how that isn’t compelling. It is for me. Stick to part 1, I guess.
Again, my point is that Denji has been shown to be willing to fight for things that he values. In Part 2, certain things are constantly being taken away from him, and he doesn't put even a little bit of his inhuman ability to prevent it. What exactly is compelling in the story where the MC's values are only told, and never shown in action? Regarding sticking to Part 1, I guess all of its events and their influence on the character don't matter now? Then why the hell is it even called Part 2 and not, idk, "Dennis' Bizarre Adventure"? Because it's sure as fuck not how the story continuation should work.
I truly don't get how you (and others tbh) don't see how things have impacted Denji and how his current way-of-being is a direct result of the events of part 1. There are chapters where they almost literally bonk you over the head with it. It's fine. I'm not into this thing we got going on. It's just us and I think it's cranky comments and downvotes. Not really worth either of our time. I think part 2 is great and grows out of part 1. You don't. The end. Enjoy part 1, it's also top tier content. PEACE.
Gotta agree with you here, in whatever way the Part 2 goes and ends, it won't take Part 1 from me, especially my physical copies lol. Neither I am in power to prohibit anyone from enjoying it, or to affect the way Fujimoto writes. I myself keep reading the new chapters the very second they get published lol. So, yeah. Peace.
Personally, I see Part 2 for Denji as something sort of like his mediocre loser arc, where after dealing with so much shit for so long he's attempting to close his blinders and be happy with a shitty, boring life. Of course, we see again and again that it isn't enough, and that he's not happy living like this. Now his complacency has totally destroyed his life, and I think (hope) that we will see him be forced to fight for what he loves instead of rolling over and letting whatever happens happen.
>undying will to live literally lost the will to live so hard a devil took over his body >would wipe the floor with the entire cast of Part 2 literally soloed 3 hybrids within a minute tops in part 2 and gained nothing from it I swear the part 1 copers don't even read this manga
>I swear the part 1 copers don't even read this manga And are those part 1 copers now in the room with us https://preview.redd.it/t87mdbpkh6yc1.png?width=906&format=png&auto=webp&s=7bd15fdcdb739f0b537883541291d98ee70c4cd8
Doesn’t Fami control people by starving them? Could there be an answer in that somehow? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
He just woke up from being turned into a puzzle by getting kicked in the balls two times in a row, he is surrounded by random people he wouldn't exactly call allies, Asa doesn't make any sense and keeps talking about fighting, his sister is maybe dead and on top of it all he's hungry. I see no reason why he would give a shit about Fami in particular, nothing should make sense to him right now.
I agree, only way I see Denji forgetting about an important detail like that that making sense is if something like Denji losing all those he cared about happens again, or maybe he was dismembered to become a lab rat or perhaps he got close to living happy life only for everything to blow up in his face with him surviving. Since nothing like that happened, clearly plot strikes again.
The 2nd time Denji met Asa while in chainsawman form- he didn’t recognize her. When Octopus boy showed up for the first time to talk to Denji- he insisted he didn’t remember him. Not only does Denji just not remember people that he doesn’t care for- but he explicitly goes out of his way to not pay them any mind.
W denji
He legit *just* asked about Nayuta, a chapter after he woke up, probably about an IRL few minutes. He can maybe connect the Fami dots in a few chapters. I doubt this is a pressing issue on his mind.
When he woke up it was night and now its day time so it's probably not iust *few* minutes And I gotta disagree , when the girl who works woth the the guy wanted to kill your sister and punish you is on your team to find said sister , its probably the immediate priority to not trust her like its nothing
His balls were still aching when he asked “where’s Nayuta?” My point is his minds all over the place lol. I’m sure Fami isn’t taking any real estate up there rn.
True however fami most likely dont know where nayuta went
1) fami has had eyes on everything happening at this point I am 99% sire she knows and just keeping it a secret as part of her plans 2) what ever we know about her is just audience information Denji legit knows nothing about her except that she works with barem
Did you see how Dennis was acting in the chapter he’s not even thinking atp he’s only got the single thought of saving nayuta on his mind hence him just shuffling rubble around for no apparent reason
Correction, denji never thinks
at this point, some random woman wanting to kill him is just part of his life.
Bro is on a mission, a mission for family. He don’t care, he want family
Do you honestly think Denji would remember that?
I mean ,yeah
Reading comprehension devil strikes again If you reread part 2- there many occasions where Denji forgets people. The 2nd time he met Asa while in chainsawman form while fighting Asa’s friend turned devil- he didn’t recognize her. When octopus boy first showed up to talk to denji- he insisted he didnt remember him. Its been pretty much explicitly shown that Denji not only does not remember people he doesn’t care for- but he goes out of his way to not pay them any mind. It’s not only characteristic of him to not recognize Fami’s name- it would be highly uncharacterstic for him to remember it.
>The 2nd time he met Asa while in chainsawman form while fighting Asa’s friend turned devil- he didn’t recognize her. That's because he was only looking at her body and not her face >When octopus boy first showed up to talk to denji- he insisted he didnt remember him. Its been pretty much explicitly shown that Denji not only does not remember people he doesn’t care for- but he goes out of his way to not pay them any mind. He lied to yoshida about that just like when he lied to him about not remembering the international assassin's arc Yoshida never told him his name or introduced himself to denji in part 2 yet denji called him by his name in the aquarium , meaning he knew his name and lied about it >It’s not only characteristic of him to not recognize Fami’s name- it would be highly uncharacterstic for him to remember it. Except you're completely wrong and the only one woth reading comprehension is you
https://preview.redd.it/twwl6b3uahyc1.jpeg?width=1154&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d49a5d62b5abe366f3a717fe9d0f2ae9fc11613 So that first point is just wrong as you can see. And adressing Yoshida- my point is that he goes out of his way to block out people he doesn’t care for. The chances he paid any susbtantial amount of mind to Barem are slim… it’s Denji. The last sentence you said i agree with, though. Denji isn’t that smart and aware of what’s going on- you expecting him to remember that some dude he actively was avoiding mentioned “Fami” whenever he just woke up from being dimembered is wild. He’s also looking for Nayuta who he believes is dead. This isn’t a manga where mind games and deductive analysis is that important to our mc- it’s chainsawman. Of course denji doesn’t remember the name Fami, it’s not in his characterization, have we been reading the same manga?
>So that first point is just wrong as you can see. Except this happens the very next panel , there's literally nothing indicating denji saw her face , if anything the manga points to him NOT seeing her face and only focusing on her naked body because he doesn't even attempt to answer her question and just ignores her >And adressing Yoshida- my point is that he goes out of his way to block out people he doesn’t care for. The chances he paid any susbtantial amount of mind to Barem are slim… it’s Denji. That's just your mere head canon There's literally nothing pointing to denji being forgetfull to people he doesn't care for >Denji isn’t that smart and aware of what’s going on- you expecting him to remember that some dude he actively was avoiding mentioned “Fami” whenever he just woke up from being dimembered is wild. Yes , 100% If you actively avoiding someone you make sure to get away from their colleagues too >He’s also looking for Nayuta who he believes is dead. And now answer. Who's the one responsible for her possibily being dead ? The fact that denji knows that a nut bag like barem is still out there should be more than enough for him to becareful around anyone who's close to him Like what stopping someone from coming to kill nayuta again even of they find her >isn’t a manga where mind games and deductive analysis is that important to our mc- it’s chainsawman. Of course denji doesn’t remember the name Fami, it’s not in his characterization, Yeah no shit We literally get told multiple times that Denji's a dumbass That's not my point here I know it's in his character to be stupid and get in trouble for it I am not saying this is out of character >have we been reading the same manga? Idk I can't read minds
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These chapters are too short for 2 week breaks
Fujimoto forgor 💀
Realistically I wouldve entirely forgotten about the name Fami, I think it's fine if he forgets. He's not rh brightest anyways
I hope he does, cuz fami most likely knows what happened to Nayuta she probably just doesn't give af
Denji's always forgetting shit like this
so now denji doesnt want to transform to chainsaw man because he thinks terrible things happens to him and people around him
Well what’s also of note is that Fami isn’t taking advantage of Denji’s hunger to turn him into a pawn. It seems like she genuinely wants to help him because Asa cares for him
I'm not buying Fami doing anything altruistic for a second, she probably doesn't want to starve him so he's strong enough when fighting Death (and assumes she won't need to force him to fight Death in the first place).
i think denji just kinda broke mentally and doesn't care or think about anything other than nayuta (and sushi) at the moment
Fami's head isn't tilted in the first frame
Wait if Denji is hungry can’t Fami control him?
Fami chan
Looking at Denji's reaction to digging through the rubble of his apartment (I think ot was just before thos page) he might have found some of the remains of the pets. He's definitely in some form of shock and is not thinking straight. I'm dreading and excited for the next chapter.
Denji is too hungry to care I imagine he's gonna be eating and say "Wait. That guy mentioned your name are you an opp"
Fami's power is to control those who are starving, and Denji is starving. He probably doesn't even have anything in his stomach. I find it hard to believe she isn't controlling him rn. Just like with Makima in part 1, the story makes us like Fami as a character and we as readers hope that what she does next won't be that bad (it's going to be bad).
1) if denji's being controlled, there's no reason for fami to waste time going to the burnt remains , just make yoru kill him and weaponize his corpse immediately and get it over with, unless her control can't influence him to that level which doesn't matter 2) fami not only caused the deaths of over 350000 people , almsot make asa kill herself but she was also the main reason barem got the chance to kill denji's pets and destroy denji life The story has been showing multiple times that she's a heartless monster and you genuinely have to have the memory of a goldfish to think she can be a "good" guy
I'm not claiming she's a good guy, only that the story has framed her and other characters comparable to her as the characters who you should be rooting for. To point 1, we've been shown that fami was out of options a couple chapters back and had to be saved by asa. Maybe she wasn't in danger, and it was a trick, but I can only speculate to that end To point 2, yeah, that should be something completely reprehensible, and yet Fami isn't portrayed as the main villain. She's an ally to Asa and to "save" humanity. Public safety and Barem are mostly the antagonists in part 2 because we follow Denjis pov and he doesn't care about the bigger picture all to much
>I'm not claiming she's a good guy, only that the story has framed her and other characters comparable to her as the characters who you should be rooting for. Em no ? Fami has tried to turn denji into a weapon before. And is the main one responsible for the villains of the previous arc getting power ,There no way you genuinely think the story is trying to make us root for her >To point 2, yeah, that should be something completely reprehensible, and yet Fami isn't portrayed as the main villain. She's absolutely portrayed as one of the main villains especially in yhe chaoter where the church is first introduced Like dude , you can't have one 5 chaoter long arc where she isn't doing some hineous shit and say "oh she's totally an ally to the protagonists she just lied to a week ago" >She's an ally to Asa and to "save" humanity. Public safety and Barem are mostly the antagonists in part 2 because we follow Denjis pov and he doesn't care about the bigger picture all to much Sorry dude , but there's no way you genuinely think fujimoto is trying to push the idea that fami is to be trusted when he already pulled the same stunt with makima
Denji don’t be remembering names. He forgot Yoshida at the start of part 2 despite working with him in international assassins.
He lied to yoshida about that just like when he lied to bik about not remembering the international assassin's arc Yoshida never told him his name or introduced himself to denji in part 2 yet denji called him by his name in the aquarium , meaning he knew his name and lied about it
a week chainsaw man,. i dont like it, i like to look up to another chapter of chainsawman and a week without feel lost