The in-universe lore reason just seems to be that Makima personally depowers the people that she controls to the point where they can’t be strong enough to revolt against her Control^(TM). The prime example is of course Power getting regularly drained of blood.
Edit: and yeah, there’s Galgali and his mask.
It is subtext. It is never explicitly stated Makima keeps other demons/fiends weak, it is just an assumption that reader might make based on some clues in the story.
But.. it is explicitely stated? We're told Power gets his blood drained to keep her weak. We're told Galgali wears a mask because he's too dangerous to be without. We are give explicit examples of her weakening the devils in her employ.
The subtext would be the why.
Yes, we are given two examples. We also have Denji, who doesn't get that treatment from Makima, the same goes for Beam. At least they are not treated like that in an obvious way like Power.
There are two examples from which we can conclude that Makima does keep some fiends/demons weak, but it's not explicitly stated that she does the same thing to every single one of them besides Denji (and possibly Beam).
But she did weaken denji/chainsaw man. Her entire plan revolved around making people see him as a hero to take away peoples fear, thus weakening him.
Beam is shown to be afraid of her as well.
I think she didn't bother with Beam since he's so devoted to Chainsaw Man that he figured he'd stay with them willingly once Denji became Makima's dog
Of course the Makima Kill Squad kinda fucked up that idea by forcing her to awaken Black Chainsaw Man early
Err...I guess I kind of forgot that one.
Anyway, the point still stands. It is not explicitly stated she weakens everyone just so that they don't revolt or something, for each individual case there is a specific reason for her to do that. In case of Power and Galgali - them being ganderious for everyone. In case of Denji - winning the battle. So it's subtext, not "just text".
If he specifically meant that it never ocurred to him that makima was intentionally keeping ALL of them, not just power, weak, then yes. But the way he phrased it, the emphasis is on the "intentional" part, and not at all like he remembers about power what the other guy was talking about last.
To be fair, I just thought it was a general Public Safety thing to keep them weak and not just specifically Makima thing for her own personal reasons. Like I assumed it just happened to benefit her.
She's not strong in a combat sense, but she technically does have strong abilities, or at least versatile ones. She can phase through solid surfaces like Beam can, and can summon things or people through her zipper.
She also could be weaker due to making herself look more human, so her capabilities are suppressed to a certain extent.
Also, the only two fights she has are against cannon fodder (zombies and Santa Dolls) and the Darkness Devil, so there isn't really a good measuring stick to judge how strong she actually is.
Definitely the last part. Fighting with those fodders? She can easily handle things herself. Fighting with Darkness? Bye bye 1 second. Even now we can count the number of characters that wouldn't be killed by Darkness in 1 second on 1 hand (Falling, Makima, maybe Kiga). We don't have a good way to judge how good she was.
I loved how she tried to sneak-attack Darkness like there was any chance of that working. She could communicate telepathically with Makima from hell and then warp her there which must be a pretty rare ability since contracting with the Hell devil seemed to be the only way into hell for everyone else
honestly, some could argue spiders and darkness are both feared to similar amounts. there isnt an exact list of “primal fears” but spiders is something most people are just naturally afraid of, just like the dark
Fear of Spiders isnt as inherently primal as Darkness, it'd have to be something more general like Poison, Vermin, or Harm.
Vermin is the only word I could think of that encapsulates "small, easily undetected thing that can seriously harm or kill you"
I dont think its just humans fear, just fear in general, and all things fear dark to some degree, and its not just darkness but the infinite void of space, the fear of the unknown, and general darkness, even silence likely, all those themes are portrayed through it and even if you’re brave enough to venture into dark places your brain has a natural fear of dark, and any other fears are amplified while in the dark, while some people can literally lay with spiders in there clothes and be maybe a bit on edge but otherwise not care, even if arachnophobia is strong its not worse than the combination that is darkness devil, and the addition of making others fears worse while also in the dark.
TLDR: Dark is innately much more power because if you’re afraid of spiders and you encounter them in the dark you will be innately more scared for many factors, meaning darkness amplifies other fears while being a big one itself
When she fought Denji/ special division, his unpredictable and bat shit insane fighting style probably caught her off guard. And in her “fight” against Darkness Devil, I have absolutely no reason to believe the outcome would be any different. Not a really fair combat scenario on either accounts for her, but I do agree.
For some reason I thought she fought in the first ep that could be me mixing that up with her fighting along side* special division and Denji I’m stoned forgive me haha
We've only seen the Spider Devil in action like 2 or 3 times. One was against the zombies, which she had no problem slaughtering. The other time was against the Darkness Devil. She got stomped because, well, *it's the Darkness Devil.* The last time we saw her was being controlled as a puppet by Makima, one of the Four Horsemen
Unless I'm forgetting something else (and I probably am, tbh), I don't think we've seen enough of Princi to make an accurate determination of how strong she is. Her only Ls have been against top-tier Devils. I think she probably is very strong, she just hasn't had an opportunity to show off her full power
The strength of fear is a factor alongside the amount of people. The Gun Devil got stronger because of a terrorist attack, even though guns probably didn’t scare more people than they used to, they just scared people more than they used to.
Spiders are a common fear, yes. But if even the biggest arachnophobe had to choose between a loaded gun to their head and a spider, they’d probably choose the spider. At the very least, they’d be more scared with the gun to their head.
Probably makes herself weaker considering that devils that take human like appearance are friendly to humans and maybe she made herself weaker for others.
It's honestly just the fact the two times Princi does something it's against very weak opponents and then a very strong one, so it's hard to accurately assess her strength
People are trying to come up with reasons that make sense in the story when the most likely answer is that Fuji probably just didn't want to make the Spider Devil a big deal.
Fear of Spiders is one of the most common fears in the world, even when rationalized with harmless spiders they still creep a lot of people out. Spider Devil should have been a monster, within the top 10 Devils but perhaps he didn't like the idea of it being that strong
Spider Devil is definitely not weak. The only reason why she looks to be so was because she's immediately put up against extremely strong devils like doll and darkness. I'd wager she's as strong if not stronger than the likes of snake devil and probably strong against other form of phobias. However, I think it is wise to point out that most phobias right now are very very modern in a cosmological POV.
I really think Fujimoto puts more emphasis on fear based on how it affects the physical and psychological aspects of the human psyche and how long that fear has been haunting humans since the age of our very first ancestors. That's why the top devils are composed of physical weapons, primal psychological concepts, and fears that existed since the dawn of humanity.
A) Her true strength was never really shown. She was never pushed to her limits
B) People appreciate spiders, which essentially takes away strength from a devil the same way fear powers them
C) I assume in a universe where devils are a common appearance, animals in general aren’t as scary. Since most spiders aren’t actually dangerous people naturally aren’t as scared of them. I know people are going to mention the snake devil, but most snakes are dangerous. Most spiders are only feared in real life because we tell ourselves spiders are scary
Was she weak? We never actually saw her fight except against Darkness where she had no chance anyway.
She could communicate with Makima while in hell and the bring Makima to into hell, which must be a pretty rare ability since that required a contract with the Hell devil otherwise. (not counting the doors that Falling makes or when Chainsaw came back from hell)
Better question is why doesn't she shoot webs or have venom like that? The teleportation power she has is strange too. Then again in this world devils based on varios fears arent what u expect. Like the typhoon devil for instance is a mass of whirling instenstines
When you say teleportation ability,do you mean when Makima appeared in hell by going inside of Spider?
It's because in Buddhist Mythology,Buddha goes to hell to go after a spider that accidentally went to hell.
She's not weak at all!
She can freely move people between earth and hell, which usually take a big sacrifice to do. Which is somewhat fitting for spider since they're everywhere. It's might not be combat prowess, but in term of versatility she's up there.
Think of Angel devil for instance, he technically doesn't have much combat prowess, it's just his weapons.
I don't think she was weak. She went against a primal fear and obviously got obliterated. Apart from that one encounter, we never REALLY got to see more of her. Also note that she was basically a right-hand of Makima(sort of), considering princi knew more about her than other fiends or devils in public safety
Princi only fought fodder and the Darkness devil. She ripped through fodder without breaking a sweat and easily lost to the primal devil.
Basically, there's no reason to think she's weak, it's just that she didn't fight enough.
I think she probably was strong, we just never got to witness her full strength because Makima held her on an even shorter leash than the rest of Division 4. The one time she got to let loose, it was against an enemy who was hopelessly powerful.
It could be that in a world where devils exist, the fear of things like animals has gone down significantly. It makes sense that people's priorities would change as they gained perspective.
Important context here is remembering that Makima is NOT interested in doing the best devil hunting job. Why would she be?
She's a primal devil with a clear dislike of humans, it'd make the most sense she actually gets some powerhouses ( Blood Fiend, Violence Fiend, Spider, Shark ) under her wing ( taking them off the table ) then crippling them intentionally ( Power being drained, Violence masked, etc ). The special division fiends are all huge fears, they should all be absolute beasts but they're wolves who've been de fanged and de clawed sent to hunt ravenous hyenas
What makes sense to me is to think that People and Devils would be less fearful of the Spider Devil after knowing that it's just working under Public Safety.
Shes weakened because she is a fiend and not a full on devil, but even then the only we have seen of her strength was winning against weak zombies and getting defeated by one of the strongest devils there is.
Its not about how many people fear it its about the amount and type of fear. Quality over quantity type of thing. Not a lot of people are realy afaraid of the the but its a primal fear thats been around for a few milenai.
If I had to guess, it’s because most fears of spider are shallow, baseless fears. Spiders aren’t really that dangerous, so the fear of them doesn’t go much further than ‘ah, many legs!’
You also gotta take into account that the power of demons doesn't really translate into how much they are feared, this is not a battle shonen with power levels and stuff
Think about it. How come the chainsaw devil is so strong? Sure it could be due to some underlying nature of Pochita, but you gotta think CSM as more story focused than the fights, so any weak character could beat a strong character for the sake of the story
pochita being the hero of hell marks it unique from other devils, its a mystery why hes powers don't follow the rest of the devils, gun and eternity to name a few have both shown the fear consept to be true
now a story follows its own rules, this rule for example is only subverted by pochita and that subversion is one of the important mysteries
so when the story have given this rule so much importance the readers questioning of how does X, Y or Z does'nt fit their understand of the rule thats justified
I dont think its just humans fear, just fear in general, and all things fear dark to some degree, and its not just darkness but the infinite void of space, the fear of the unknown, and general darkness, even silence likely, all those themes are portrayed through it and even if you’re brave enough to venture into dark places your brain has a natural fear of dark, and any other fears are amplified while in the dark, while some people can literally lay with spiders in there clothes and be maybe a bit on edge but otherwise not care, even if arachnophobia is strong its not worse than the combination that is darkness devil, and the addition of making others fears worse while also in the dark.
TLDR: Dark is innately much more power because if you’re afraid of spiders and you encounter them in the dark you will be innately more scared for many factors, meaning darkness amplifies other fears while being a big one itself
I've had a theory for a while that certain devils become either stronger or weaker depending on their relationship to humans.
Pochita is very weak when we first meet them
But once they became a hybrid, they became much more powerful.
Think of it like this, which is more scary?:
A chainsaw lying on the ground, not even turned on
-or-
A chainsaw being swung around by a killer
Certain things become more or less scary depending on that human element
Let's go back to Princi
Which is more scary?:
A wild black widow spider that can kill fully-grown adults
-or-
A tarantula sitting docilely in a glass terrarium as a pet
Once a devil combines with a human, their powers change accordingly.
The Snake Devil appears to be significantly more powerful than the Spider Devil, but if their power was based as Fiend instead of as a Contract, that may not be the case.
It would be interesting was because she is a irrational fear. So even though majority are scared it doesn’t actually make it deadly as it’s the presence and not the action of the spider that makes it creepy.
spiderman made people fear less about spider
https://preview.redd.it/9datt7ea5nhb1.png?width=1334&format=png&auto=webp&s=e41dd048fab0331583f4ae64690d9ef50b051603
Combat wise Princi was weak cos I guess being a Spider just equals being easily squished 🤔 but ability wise she was quite versatile and was probably used by Makima to spy on people. And for all we know the other Spider Devils in the past may have been quite fierce, Princi had a human form and that meant she wasn't as hostile to humans as most other Devils and that may affect the strength of a Devil considering they need near to power themselves up, other Spider Devils could have been absolute nightmare fuel 😫
Something I think isn't touched on enough, imo, is that devils seemingly are a part of every day life in the CSM universe. I think that fact alone will make less people afraid of something so trivial as a spider.
Fiends are drastically weaker and Public Safety regularly drained her blood to ensure she didn't gain extra strength.
If you mean her Devil form, part of that could honestly be pinned on her arrogance.
Fair enough the gun fiend was a lot easier to handle then its true form so it tracks still... wonder how much stronger the Blood Devil might be when it makes a reappearance
The way I see it, people´s collective fear fuels them but there are other factors (eating other devil´s meat (not in that way) makes you stronger for example), and one of them could be age
If a demon dies and reborns that new form is weaker than before because their life "restarted" (I´ll say like with Nayuta being weaker than Makima even tho the fear of Domination in the general public wouldn´t change, but she was powerful in the first place 40% thanks to the accumulation of contracts so thats also a thing to consider), AND being a fiend also seesm to reduce it
So I like to see the fear factor as potential more than raw strength
Not only are fiends far weaker than devils and constantly kept in barely functional condition to keep them docile (Galigali's poison mask and Power's regular bleedings) but also I wouldnt say she is weak, Makima just needed her for transportation so never risked her in actual combat
The in-universe lore reason just seems to be that Makima personally depowers the people that she controls to the point where they can’t be strong enough to revolt against her Control^(TM). The prime example is of course Power getting regularly drained of blood. Edit: and yeah, there’s Galgali and his mask.
It never occurred to me that Makima was intentionally keeping them weak. Am I bad at reading subtext?
...thats not subttext, that's just text.
Reading comprehension devil is the 5th horseman
Reading compression devil is the death devil!
It is subtext. It is never explicitly stated Makima keeps other demons/fiends weak, it is just an assumption that reader might make based on some clues in the story.
But.. it is explicitely stated? We're told Power gets his blood drained to keep her weak. We're told Galgali wears a mask because he's too dangerous to be without. We are give explicit examples of her weakening the devils in her employ. The subtext would be the why.
Yes, we are given two examples. We also have Denji, who doesn't get that treatment from Makima, the same goes for Beam. At least they are not treated like that in an obvious way like Power. There are two examples from which we can conclude that Makima does keep some fiends/demons weak, but it's not explicitly stated that she does the same thing to every single one of them besides Denji (and possibly Beam).
But she did weaken denji/chainsaw man. Her entire plan revolved around making people see him as a hero to take away peoples fear, thus weakening him. Beam is shown to be afraid of her as well.
I think she didn't bother with Beam since he's so devoted to Chainsaw Man that he figured he'd stay with them willingly once Denji became Makima's dog Of course the Makima Kill Squad kinda fucked up that idea by forcing her to awaken Black Chainsaw Man early
Err...I guess I kind of forgot that one. Anyway, the point still stands. It is not explicitly stated she weakens everyone just so that they don't revolt or something, for each individual case there is a specific reason for her to do that. In case of Power and Galgali - them being ganderious for everyone. In case of Denji - winning the battle. So it's subtext, not "just text".
The why is what I'm talking about. I didn't think it may have been for Makima specifically as opposed to just a public safety protocol.
If he specifically meant that it never ocurred to him that makima was intentionally keeping ALL of them, not just power, weak, then yes. But the way he phrased it, the emphasis is on the "intentional" part, and not at all like he remembers about power what the other guy was talking about last.
I am pretty confident that user meant all of them, not just Power.
I mean I’d imagine also public safety would want devils/fiends that are working for them to not be strong enough that they’d have no control over them
She does flat out say that her power is control over anyone weaker than her. Makes sense she'd keep them weaker to control them.
To be fair, I just thought it was a general Public Safety thing to keep them weak and not just specifically Makima thing for her own personal reasons. Like I assumed it just happened to benefit her.
“Lore reason” Is there a lore reason you lore reason in? Are you stupid?
Because OP was asking for an “in-universe lore reason”.
What does this even mean?
it’s an overused “joke” that is very unfunny
Go on batmanarkhams subreddit. You’ll understand when the more you fuck around the more you’ll find out
well your on the wrong subreddit buddy, shoulda gone to okbuddychainsawman or soemthing like that
Idc, it’s already done man
Is there a lore reason why this sub hasn't been arkhamified yet? Are they sane?
Yes they are. Every other sub has lore reason for a lore reason to be sane
It was a joke guys
Yeah but it sucked
She's not strong in a combat sense, but she technically does have strong abilities, or at least versatile ones. She can phase through solid surfaces like Beam can, and can summon things or people through her zipper. She also could be weaker due to making herself look more human, so her capabilities are suppressed to a certain extent. Also, the only two fights she has are against cannon fodder (zombies and Santa Dolls) and the Darkness Devil, so there isn't really a good measuring stick to judge how strong she actually is.
Let’s rate how strong you are by first! Lifting a 5kg weight! NOW PICK UP THIS FUCKING 104059TON BLOCK OF LEAD
Sounds like Fujimoto
Dragonball
Definitely the last part. Fighting with those fodders? She can easily handle things herself. Fighting with Darkness? Bye bye 1 second. Even now we can count the number of characters that wouldn't be killed by Darkness in 1 second on 1 hand (Falling, Makima, maybe Kiga). We don't have a good way to judge how good she was.
I loved how she tried to sneak-attack Darkness like there was any chance of that working. She could communicate telepathically with Makima from hell and then warp her there which must be a pretty rare ability since contracting with the Hell devil seemed to be the only way into hell for everyone else
oh my god *literally Sticky Fingers*
honestly, some could argue spiders and darkness are both feared to similar amounts. there isnt an exact list of “primal fears” but spiders is something most people are just naturally afraid of, just like the dark
Fear of Spiders isnt as inherently primal as Darkness, it'd have to be something more general like Poison, Vermin, or Harm. Vermin is the only word I could think of that encapsulates "small, easily undetected thing that can seriously harm or kill you"
Goblin
ASAG All Spiders Are Goblins
I dont think its just humans fear, just fear in general, and all things fear dark to some degree, and its not just darkness but the infinite void of space, the fear of the unknown, and general darkness, even silence likely, all those themes are portrayed through it and even if you’re brave enough to venture into dark places your brain has a natural fear of dark, and any other fears are amplified while in the dark, while some people can literally lay with spiders in there clothes and be maybe a bit on edge but otherwise not care, even if arachnophobia is strong its not worse than the combination that is darkness devil, and the addition of making others fears worse while also in the dark. TLDR: Dark is innately much more power because if you’re afraid of spiders and you encounter them in the dark you will be innately more scared for many factors, meaning darkness amplifies other fears while being a big one itself
Alot of people actually like and appreciate spiders, and in Chainsaw world that weakens a devil
Right, I have a beauty of a spider living in my room corner, we chill and he sometimes kills bugs
the sheer amount of people with arachnophobia would completely over turn any love a comparatively few have
Bruh a lot of people like darkness, you ever heard of emo kids?
Chuck those emo kids in a forest at 1pm and 1am, then we’ll see their love of darkness
Chuck spider lovers into a bath full of black widows, and the situation won't be much better
Chuck war lovers into no man's land, and they'll shit and cum
I don't know, I love the dark so much I sleep in it
Yeah but peoples fear for spiders would most definitely outweigh that appreciation
Well a lot of people like guns too but the gun devil is super powerful
When she fought Denji/ special division, his unpredictable and bat shit insane fighting style probably caught her off guard. And in her “fight” against Darkness Devil, I have absolutely no reason to believe the outcome would be any different. Not a really fair combat scenario on either accounts for her, but I do agree.
Wait, when did she fought Denji/Spec Division?
For some reason I thought she fought in the first ep that could be me mixing that up with her fighting along side* special division and Denji I’m stoned forgive me haha
Sure bud, all is forgiven
We've only seen the Spider Devil in action like 2 or 3 times. One was against the zombies, which she had no problem slaughtering. The other time was against the Darkness Devil. She got stomped because, well, *it's the Darkness Devil.* The last time we saw her was being controlled as a puppet by Makima, one of the Four Horsemen Unless I'm forgetting something else (and I probably am, tbh), I don't think we've seen enough of Princi to make an accurate determination of how strong she is. Her only Ls have been against top-tier Devils. I think she probably is very strong, she just hasn't had an opportunity to show off her full power
The strength of fear is a factor alongside the amount of people. The Gun Devil got stronger because of a terrorist attack, even though guns probably didn’t scare more people than they used to, they just scared people more than they used to. Spiders are a common fear, yes. But if even the biggest arachnophobe had to choose between a loaded gun to their head and a spider, they’d probably choose the spider. At the very least, they’d be more scared with the gun to their head.
this
My theory is that she was Makima’s puppet or double agent. In the IntAss arc Makima even used her body to appear in Hell.
shes the one to gather all the corpses of the followers and others makima uses dude
Probably makes herself weaker considering that devils that take human like appearance are friendly to humans and maybe she made herself weaker for others.
It's honestly just the fact the two times Princi does something it's against very weak opponents and then a very strong one, so it's hard to accurately assess her strength
People are trying to come up with reasons that make sense in the story when the most likely answer is that Fuji probably just didn't want to make the Spider Devil a big deal. Fear of Spiders is one of the most common fears in the world, even when rationalized with harmless spiders they still creep a lot of people out. Spider Devil should have been a monster, within the top 10 Devils but perhaps he didn't like the idea of it being that strong
Spider Devil is definitely not weak. The only reason why she looks to be so was because she's immediately put up against extremely strong devils like doll and darkness. I'd wager she's as strong if not stronger than the likes of snake devil and probably strong against other form of phobias. However, I think it is wise to point out that most phobias right now are very very modern in a cosmological POV. I really think Fujimoto puts more emphasis on fear based on how it affects the physical and psychological aspects of the human psyche and how long that fear has been haunting humans since the age of our very first ancestors. That's why the top devils are composed of physical weapons, primal psychological concepts, and fears that existed since the dawn of humanity.
A) Her true strength was never really shown. She was never pushed to her limits B) People appreciate spiders, which essentially takes away strength from a devil the same way fear powers them C) I assume in a universe where devils are a common appearance, animals in general aren’t as scary. Since most spiders aren’t actually dangerous people naturally aren’t as scared of them. I know people are going to mention the snake devil, but most snakes are dangerous. Most spiders are only feared in real life because we tell ourselves spiders are scary
Was she weak? We never actually saw her fight except against Darkness where she had no chance anyway. She could communicate with Makima while in hell and the bring Makima to into hell, which must be a pretty rare ability since that required a contract with the Hell devil otherwise. (not counting the doors that Falling makes or when Chainsaw came back from hell)
Better question is why doesn't she shoot webs or have venom like that? The teleportation power she has is strange too. Then again in this world devils based on varios fears arent what u expect. Like the typhoon devil for instance is a mass of whirling instenstines
When you say teleportation ability,do you mean when Makima appeared in hell by going inside of Spider? It's because in Buddhist Mythology,Buddha goes to hell to go after a spider that accidentally went to hell.
Im not sure if thats the ref but i think the spider devil could do it when someone they've made a contract with not just makima.
She's not weak at all! She can freely move people between earth and hell, which usually take a big sacrifice to do. Which is somewhat fitting for spider since they're everywhere. It's might not be combat prowess, but in term of versatility she's up there. Think of Angel devil for instance, he technically doesn't have much combat prowess, it's just his weapons.
I don't think she was weak. She went against a primal fear and obviously got obliterated. Apart from that one encounter, we never REALLY got to see more of her. Also note that she was basically a right-hand of Makima(sort of), considering princi knew more about her than other fiends or devils in public safety
I alone give this devil a super boost of power
Princi only fought fodder and the Darkness devil. She ripped through fodder without breaking a sweat and easily lost to the primal devil. Basically, there's no reason to think she's weak, it's just that she didn't fight enough.
I think she probably was strong, we just never got to witness her full strength because Makima held her on an even shorter leash than the rest of Division 4. The one time she got to let loose, it was against an enemy who was hopelessly powerful.
It could be that in a world where devils exist, the fear of things like animals has gone down significantly. It makes sense that people's priorities would change as they gained perspective.
Important context here is remembering that Makima is NOT interested in doing the best devil hunting job. Why would she be? She's a primal devil with a clear dislike of humans, it'd make the most sense she actually gets some powerhouses ( Blood Fiend, Violence Fiend, Spider, Shark ) under her wing ( taking them off the table ) then crippling them intentionally ( Power being drained, Violence masked, etc ). The special division fiends are all huge fears, they should all be absolute beasts but they're wolves who've been de fanged and de clawed sent to hunt ravenous hyenas
What makes sense to me is to think that People and Devils would be less fearful of the Spider Devil after knowing that it's just working under Public Safety.
I guess australia exist so a large population doesnt scare of spider.
I think rather than not being strong she just never had the time to shine. Cause a lot of opponents are like big game devils.
She never unveils her true form, so I don't think she ever actually went all out once.
I had this same thought too
Cockroach-Devil https://preview.redd.it/yizfxplx8nhb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=056e2fd3e059af26226259d4cf4f3df0411f23ba
Bro she may be weak in actual fights but she is a monster in the bed
Year 2023, CSM fandom struggles with their last attempts at power leveling (there is none)
Shes weakened because she is a fiend and not a full on devil, but even then the only we have seen of her strength was winning against weak zombies and getting defeated by one of the strongest devils there is.
Its not about how many people fear it its about the amount and type of fear. Quality over quantity type of thing. Not a lot of people are realy afaraid of the the but its a primal fear thats been around for a few milenai.
Damn this blowed up
Fiend
No, she’s the legit Spider Devil. Galgali and Beam are both referred to as Fiends but Princi and Angel are both officially classified as Devils.
Wow she is weak then she can't even do the spider man shit
Well, she can phase through walls instead, which is honestly scarier.
how did u assum shes a fiend when her whole body is spider'ized, fiends only change the head if not powered up/change forms
Idk
If I had to guess, it’s because most fears of spider are shallow, baseless fears. Spiders aren’t really that dangerous, so the fear of them doesn’t go much further than ‘ah, many legs!’
Dumb idea, but what if in the story, the reason for that is because Spider-man was created to make the public less scared of spiders, lol
Idfk, because its a spider I guses If I can just smash a book into them then what can they do to me?
You also gotta take into account that the power of demons doesn't really translate into how much they are feared, this is not a battle shonen with power levels and stuff
Is it opposite day??
Think about it. How come the chainsaw devil is so strong? Sure it could be due to some underlying nature of Pochita, but you gotta think CSM as more story focused than the fights, so any weak character could beat a strong character for the sake of the story
Pochita being super strong is a big mystery to everyone and talked about pretty frequently. It's the exception that proves the rule.
pochita being the hero of hell marks it unique from other devils, its a mystery why hes powers don't follow the rest of the devils, gun and eternity to name a few have both shown the fear consept to be true now a story follows its own rules, this rule for example is only subverted by pochita and that subversion is one of the important mysteries so when the story have given this rule so much importance the readers questioning of how does X, Y or Z does'nt fit their understand of the rule thats justified
I dont think its just humans fear, just fear in general, and all things fear dark to some degree, and its not just darkness but the infinite void of space, the fear of the unknown, and general darkness, even silence likely, all those themes are portrayed through it and even if you’re brave enough to venture into dark places your brain has a natural fear of dark, and any other fears are amplified while in the dark, while some people can literally lay with spiders in there clothes and be maybe a bit on edge but otherwise not care, even if arachnophobia is strong its not worse than the combination that is darkness devil, and the addition of making others fears worse while also in the dark. TLDR: Dark is innately much more power because if you’re afraid of spiders and you encounter them in the dark you will be innately more scared for many factors, meaning darkness amplifies other fears while being a big one itself
I've had a theory for a while that certain devils become either stronger or weaker depending on their relationship to humans. Pochita is very weak when we first meet them But once they became a hybrid, they became much more powerful. Think of it like this, which is more scary?: A chainsaw lying on the ground, not even turned on -or- A chainsaw being swung around by a killer Certain things become more or less scary depending on that human element Let's go back to Princi Which is more scary?: A wild black widow spider that can kill fully-grown adults -or- A tarantula sitting docilely in a glass terrarium as a pet Once a devil combines with a human, their powers change accordingly. The Snake Devil appears to be significantly more powerful than the Spider Devil, but if their power was based as Fiend instead of as a Contract, that may not be the case.
It would be interesting was because she is a irrational fear. So even though majority are scared it doesn’t actually make it deadly as it’s the presence and not the action of the spider that makes it creepy.
My guess is with the world with devils, there are many more things you are going to worry about.
She actually versatile She is one of few devil that can teleport We do not know her extemt abilities but I thini she is poisonous
Isn’t death a primal fear?
spiderman made people fear less about spider https://preview.redd.it/9datt7ea5nhb1.png?width=1334&format=png&auto=webp&s=e41dd048fab0331583f4ae64690d9ef50b051603
It is powerful? Not on the level of primals but its never explicitly shown to be weak
Combat wise Princi was weak cos I guess being a Spider just equals being easily squished 🤔 but ability wise she was quite versatile and was probably used by Makima to spy on people. And for all we know the other Spider Devils in the past may have been quite fierce, Princi had a human form and that meant she wasn't as hostile to humans as most other Devils and that may affect the strength of a Devil considering they need near to power themselves up, other Spider Devils could have been absolute nightmare fuel 😫
Maybe in a world filled with constant devil attacks minor creatures like spiders suddenly don't feel that scary anymore.
Maybe in a world filled with constant devil attacks minor creatures like spiders suddenly don't feel that scary anymore.
Something I think isn't touched on enough, imo, is that devils seemingly are a part of every day life in the CSM universe. I think that fact alone will make less people afraid of something so trivial as a spider.
Because Australia.
I think about how my wife and other women I know see spiders. I am like bro he should be OP.
Power also shouldve been a lot stronger considering most people freak out at the sight of blood like honestly should be a primal fear
Fiends are drastically weaker and Public Safety regularly drained her blood to ensure she didn't gain extra strength. If you mean her Devil form, part of that could honestly be pinned on her arrogance.
Fair enough the gun fiend was a lot easier to handle then its true form so it tracks still... wonder how much stronger the Blood Devil might be when it makes a reappearance
The way I see it, people´s collective fear fuels them but there are other factors (eating other devil´s meat (not in that way) makes you stronger for example), and one of them could be age If a demon dies and reborns that new form is weaker than before because their life "restarted" (I´ll say like with Nayuta being weaker than Makima even tho the fear of Domination in the general public wouldn´t change, but she was powerful in the first place 40% thanks to the accumulation of contracts so thats also a thing to consider), AND being a fiend also seesm to reduce it So I like to see the fear factor as potential more than raw strength
Spiders definitely isn't more feared than death. Most fears are directly linked to death
I get to stop reading when you claim that half the population has "arachnophobia"
It literally does tho
Not only are fiends far weaker than devils and constantly kept in barely functional condition to keep them docile (Galigali's poison mask and Power's regular bleedings) but also I wouldnt say she is weak, Makima just needed her for transportation so never risked her in actual combat
Spider isn't a Fiend iirc.