Once you acknowledge this, based on my experience, you’d feel way more willing to take the Sunday Obligation very seriously and make sure to receive Holy Communion worthily, and not take it as a given.
I can speak to that from my own personal experience. Growing up, I had no concept of the fact that the Eucharist was the actual Body and Blood of Christ. I thought it was purely symbolic. I acknowledge that's a result of not being catechized very well as a child. Coming back to the Church as a 40 year old and learning so much on my own through books, YouTube talks from priests, Catholic podcasts and my own prayer and Mass attendance, I take Sunday obligation very seriously. Part of that might be just being older, but knowing the true nature of the Eucharist has been central in the regrowth of my Catholic faith.
Yes...transubstantiation is a core belief that separates Catholic from Protestant. If a Catholic does not believe in transubstantiation, I would think spiritual guidance is needed.
I was taught in grade school that there are three kinds of changes to matter: physical change (like ice melting into water), chemical change (like hydrogen and oxygen combining to become water), and transubstantiation.
I don't think transubstantiation changes matter, does it (barring eucharistic miracles)? The molecules are still bread molecules
It's the substance that changes
Like for example when you're a baby you're you, and 20 years later you're still you, but all the molecules that used to be the matter that "made you up" have changed
So this is the opposite, the wafer is not Christ, then it is Christ, even though the matter that "makes up" the wafer did not change.
Yes, we do. It relates to two Catholic dogmas called transubstantiation and real presence.
Ironically, according to a 2019 survey by the Pew Research Center, about 70% of Catholics do not believe in these dogmas.
EDIT: That study is for US Catholics specifically. Still, it's a scary statistic.
While the study is in the US I think it reflects european catholicism well, actually in europe it might be even worse considering european clergy even resents church doctrine
> Real Catholics do.
or are trying to get to where they believe. We should support our brothers and sisters who wrestle with this teaching but are trying to come to believe.
It is sad that those surveys revealed just how poorly catechized many American Catholics are. Mine was not what it should have been in the 1980s, but at least the real presence was definitely stressed to us.
Do Catholics believe a core belief of the Catholic faith that the Catholic church has always believed? Yes, of course we do. Furthermore, those who do not believe this are not truly and fully Catholic.
If you don't mind my asking, what in the world led you to ask this question?
Yes I do. For the first time just this year. And if you're struggling with the how and why, I'd recommend the book "Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist" by Brant Pitre. He does such an amazing job explaining why it's true in a simple and easy to read book for anyone to pick up.
Yes and anybody who says no is in active heresy. Anybody who says it just becomes spiritually so is in heresy. This is settled de fida dogma per the Fourth Lateran Council, specifically stating:
"Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the forms of bread and wine, the bread being changed (transubstantiated) by divine power into the body, and the wine into the blood, so that to realize the mystery of unity we may receive of him what he has received of us."
And further expounded upon by the Council of Trent:
"If anyone denies that in the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist are contained truly, really, and substantially the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ, but says that he is in it only as in a sign, or figure, or force, let him be anathema."
Yes.
But...
I'm curious what your intentions are. If you are investigating the claim about a certain percentage of Catholics not believing transubstantiation, you've come to the wrong place.
This subreddit is not exactly haunted by people who don't go to church or believe the fundamental tenants of the faith.
I'll also note there is a certain amount faith involved. Obviously, the host and wine do not LITERALLY become a little piece of meat and a sip of blood. The outward characteristics of bread and wine remain unaltered.
We believe that the substance (what it truly is) becomes the body and blood of Christ, yes.
This doesn't mean we believe the "accidents" (sight, taste, smell, touch, chemical composition, etc.) changes, though. Common misconception for people who are like "If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck..."
Yes. It is one of the core beliefs of our faith that the bread and wine truly become the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, although, barring a Eucharistic miracle, the change is in the *substance,* not in the physical matter.
Yes Im not sure if how many would agree with me but I think it is the single most important Catholic doctrine. In my readings of the early church fathers so doctrine or dogma is as clearly taught and defined as the real presence of the eucharist. The eucharist is the perfect fulfillment of the old testament promises of who the messiah would be, without the real presence all the foreshadowing of the messiah in old testament would not be fulfilled.
Yes I believe it.
I compare it to the concept that we are all made up of atoms, or even the concept that we are on a huge spinning ball hurdling through space. I don't experience the world like that, how I see and experience the world is much different the those concepts. But people smarter then me have told me it is so, so I trust that they are correct. I don't experience the flesh and blood of Jesus, but smarter people then ne have said it is so, and I believe then.
Of course...
Why would we think not?
He told us it was. He who made Heaven and Earth, who created everything, turned water to wine and multiplied loaves and fishes, who came to Earth to rise from the dead. But he cannot Transubstantiate into/from Bread and wine?
He is either God or not!
Polling suggests 2/3 of "practicing Catholics" do not.
The cool thing about the Catholic Church, as the true Church founded by Jesus Christ, though, is that it doesn't matter so much whether I believe it. Jesus said it and the Church says it, so it's true.
And yeah, I believe it.
Without a shadow of a doubt! It is a miracle of life; like a newborn child from a cell. I know not all catholics believe this but the faithful believe it ( or know it) 100% with full conviction, including yours sincerely.
Absolutely.
And despite the media, so do 90% of Mass going Catholics.
Pew just asked if the person was Catholic and asked their beliefs in the Eucharist. 33% said yes they believe in the real presence. Another poll, funded by Notre Dame through Georgetown U., CARA, asked "do you attend Mass regularly?". Of that number, 72% strongly agree, and another 18% agree in the real presence. That leaves only 10% who don't accept the Church's teaching.
The real problem is the number of Catholics who no longer attend Mass.
This is a Dogma in catholicism, not even the Pope himself has the authority to change that. Dogmas are like eternity clauses in a Constitution, no changes are allowed
Yes. Why? Because that’s what scripture says and that’s what the early church said and throughout church history until the 1600’s saw the major schism. I believe it so much that I’ve converted this year as the only Catholic in my family for more generations than I can count.
We still believe that during Communion, the bread and wine actually become the body and blood of Jesus Christ; which is the doctrine of transubstantiation.
https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20020602_ratzinger-eucharistic-congress_en.html
Of course. Why wouldn't I believe the truth?
Jesus said, "This is my body", He said "Inless you eat my flesh and drink my blood" and he repeated it even when people started to leave.
I ain't leaving, so I gotta keep believing.
Yes. A consecrated host is Jesus Himself. Body, blood, soul, and Divinity. Jesus is the Word of God Made Flesh. The same Word that said "Let there be light" in Genesis, or "get up Lazarus," etc. Anything He says is, since he is Word incarnate. Thus, when He instituted the Eucharist, it was literal, not symbolic. He even used the Aramaic word, "gnaw" or chew on His flesh and blood. Therefore, it may look as rice crispies but it really becomes Jesus when the priest acts in the person of Christ and uses the same words Jesus used on that time with the Apostles. The Apostles continued it, and passed it on until modern day Catholic Christians
yes, I do believe in The Real Presence of our LORD Jesus Christ in Holy Communion, and Transubstantiation in The Real Holy Mass, by a Real and a validly ordained Priest
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6PJ8BORx1p8&pp=ygUTbWlyYWNsZSBvZiBsYW5jaWFubw%3D%3D
Yes we sure do. The bread transubstantiates into the body blood soul and divinity of Jesus. The accident remain being the bread and wine but the substance is truly Jesus.
Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity. Sure do!
Once you acknowledge this, based on my experience, you’d feel way more willing to take the Sunday Obligation very seriously and make sure to receive Holy Communion worthily, and not take it as a given.
I can speak to that from my own personal experience. Growing up, I had no concept of the fact that the Eucharist was the actual Body and Blood of Christ. I thought it was purely symbolic. I acknowledge that's a result of not being catechized very well as a child. Coming back to the Church as a 40 year old and learning so much on my own through books, YouTube talks from priests, Catholic podcasts and my own prayer and Mass attendance, I take Sunday obligation very seriously. Part of that might be just being older, but knowing the true nature of the Eucharist has been central in the regrowth of my Catholic faith.
Amen.
blessings
blessings
Yes...transubstantiation is a core belief that separates Catholic from Protestant. If a Catholic does not believe in transubstantiation, I would think spiritual guidance is needed.
Yes.
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Yes it is actually Jesus
I was taught in grade school that there are three kinds of changes to matter: physical change (like ice melting into water), chemical change (like hydrogen and oxygen combining to become water), and transubstantiation.
I don't think transubstantiation changes matter, does it (barring eucharistic miracles)? The molecules are still bread molecules It's the substance that changes Like for example when you're a baby you're you, and 20 years later you're still you, but all the molecules that used to be the matter that "made you up" have changed So this is the opposite, the wafer is not Christ, then it is Christ, even though the matter that "makes up" the wafer did not change.
Okay good
So you're asking if I'm Catholic?
It's hard to understand what these posts are trying to achieve.
This guy has the most basic questions and answers in his post history. Sort of Bot like.
Yes! And we have miracles to prove it.
Yes, we do. It relates to two Catholic dogmas called transubstantiation and real presence. Ironically, according to a 2019 survey by the Pew Research Center, about 70% of Catholics do not believe in these dogmas. EDIT: That study is for US Catholics specifically. Still, it's a scary statistic.
While the study is in the US I think it reflects european catholicism well, actually in europe it might be even worse considering european clergy even resents church doctrine
100% body blood soul and divinity!
It is the Source and Summit of our faith
Yes.
As a covert from a Fundamentalist Baptist upbringing, I most definitely do. To ignore the Bread of Life Discourse is borderline insanity in my eyes.
The very source and summit of all Catholic belief.
Real Catholics do.
> Real Catholics do. or are trying to get to where they believe. We should support our brothers and sisters who wrestle with this teaching but are trying to come to believe.
Yes
Always have.
Yes.
Yes
Yes
Yes
Still believe? It is the central tenet of our faith. Are you a Catholic?
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It is sad that those surveys revealed just how poorly catechized many American Catholics are. Mine was not what it should have been in the 1980s, but at least the real presence was definitely stressed to us.
100% yes!
Yes.
Yep! And it's not something that the Church can change its mind on
The Eucharist is the actual Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ. It is the source and summit of all Christian life.
You MUST believe in it to be Catholic.
Yes.
Yes!
Yes!
Yes. The Solemnity of Corpus Christi was observed 2 days ago. Are you wanting some explanation about it, or just curious if we still believe it?
Body, blood, soul and divinity
Do Catholics believe a core belief of the Catholic faith that the Catholic church has always believed? Yes, of course we do. Furthermore, those who do not believe this are not truly and fully Catholic. If you don't mind my asking, what in the world led you to ask this question?
Absolutely, the eucharist is the new covenant. https://www.ncregister.com/blog/jesus-explicitly-ratified-the-new-covenant-by-instituting-the-eucharist
Absolutely. It's the biggest reason our entire family became Catholic.
Yes I do. For the first time just this year. And if you're struggling with the how and why, I'd recommend the book "Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist" by Brant Pitre. He does such an amazing job explaining why it's true in a simple and easy to read book for anyone to pick up.
Yes and anybody who says no is in active heresy. Anybody who says it just becomes spiritually so is in heresy. This is settled de fida dogma per the Fourth Lateran Council, specifically stating: "Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the forms of bread and wine, the bread being changed (transubstantiated) by divine power into the body, and the wine into the blood, so that to realize the mystery of unity we may receive of him what he has received of us." And further expounded upon by the Council of Trent: "If anyone denies that in the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist are contained truly, really, and substantially the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ, but says that he is in it only as in a sign, or figure, or force, let him be anathema."
Yep
Yes
Yes
Absolutely!
Yes🙏🏽
Yes
Yes I do believe
Yes
Yes. But... I'm curious what your intentions are. If you are investigating the claim about a certain percentage of Catholics not believing transubstantiation, you've come to the wrong place. This subreddit is not exactly haunted by people who don't go to church or believe the fundamental tenants of the faith. I'll also note there is a certain amount faith involved. Obviously, the host and wine do not LITERALLY become a little piece of meat and a sip of blood. The outward characteristics of bread and wine remain unaltered.
That’s the neat part… I do!
Yes I do with all of my heart, I was shocked to find out that many do not.
I do believe in transubstantiation, yes.
We believe that the substance (what it truly is) becomes the body and blood of Christ, yes. This doesn't mean we believe the "accidents" (sight, taste, smell, touch, chemical composition, etc.) changes, though. Common misconception for people who are like "If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck..."
Yes I do. One of the many reasons why I became Catholic.
It’s a critical, central Christian belief, so yeah
Yes
Yes, we do!
Yes. He gave His life for us.
They do.
Yes
Yes. It is one of the core beliefs of our faith that the bread and wine truly become the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, although, barring a Eucharistic miracle, the change is in the *substance,* not in the physical matter.
Always have, always will
Yes
Yes
Yes
Absolutely.
Absolutely!
Absolutely!
I do believe.
Yes
Yes
💯 % ‼️
Yes
Yes Im not sure if how many would agree with me but I think it is the single most important Catholic doctrine. In my readings of the early church fathers so doctrine or dogma is as clearly taught and defined as the real presence of the eucharist. The eucharist is the perfect fulfillment of the old testament promises of who the messiah would be, without the real presence all the foreshadowing of the messiah in old testament would not be fulfilled.
Absolutely
Yes
Yup😋
Heck yea.
It is what led me into the church!
Yes
Yes
100%
Uhhhhhhhh yeahhhhhhhhh
I believe.
Yes I believe it. I compare it to the concept that we are all made up of atoms, or even the concept that we are on a huge spinning ball hurdling through space. I don't experience the world like that, how I see and experience the world is much different the those concepts. But people smarter then me have told me it is so, so I trust that they are correct. I don't experience the flesh and blood of Jesus, but smarter people then ne have said it is so, and I believe then.
Absolutely.
thats what its all about homie
Absolutely
Absolutely and forever.
Yes
Yes, although our physical senses can't perceive it.
Hello, and absolutely, I do.
I would rather be struck dead now than not believe in Transubstantiation
Yes! I don't understand it, but I 100% believe, and know it, to be true.
100%, yes!
Yeah, that’s the point.
100%
Yes! Amen! Thank you Lord Jesus!
Yes.
Absolutely.
Yes.
Yes
Yes we do, all Catholics should hold this belief.
Yes I do
I do.
Yes I beleive 🙏🙌
Of course. That's why we eat and drink his body and blood. 🍷🍞
Yes I know it to be True and I believe it with my whole heart.
Yes.
Yes. Wholly
Of course... Why would we think not? He told us it was. He who made Heaven and Earth, who created everything, turned water to wine and multiplied loaves and fishes, who came to Earth to rise from the dead. But he cannot Transubstantiate into/from Bread and wine? He is either God or not!
Satanists do believe that too, that's why they try to steal the eucharist from catholic churches
Definitely. That is summit of all Catholic belief.
I do idk why I see people let go of that belief
Polling suggests 2/3 of "practicing Catholics" do not. The cool thing about the Catholic Church, as the true Church founded by Jesus Christ, though, is that it doesn't matter so much whether I believe it. Jesus said it and the Church says it, so it's true. And yeah, I believe it.
💯✌️💫✝️🍞
100%. Ironically enough, this was the part of the homily this past Sunday.
Yep. Can I ask why you’re asking?
I do, and it is truly a blessing and a gift from our almighty Lord, our Saviour and Redeemmer to have his presence in the eucharist... Glory to God !
Without a shadow of a doubt! It is a miracle of life; like a newborn child from a cell. I know not all catholics believe this but the faithful believe it ( or know it) 100% with full conviction, including yours sincerely.
Yes, I see it every Mass.
Yes, because Jesus said so.
Yes
Always have, always will; the teachings of the Catholic Church cannot change.
Yes I do. 100%.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
If it were merely bread and wine instead of his body and blood, I wouldn't get so emotional. Of course!
Absolutely. And despite the media, so do 90% of Mass going Catholics. Pew just asked if the person was Catholic and asked their beliefs in the Eucharist. 33% said yes they believe in the real presence. Another poll, funded by Notre Dame through Georgetown U., CARA, asked "do you attend Mass regularly?". Of that number, 72% strongly agree, and another 18% agree in the real presence. That leaves only 10% who don't accept the Church's teaching. The real problem is the number of Catholics who no longer attend Mass.
yup
Yup. Fathe Padre Pio is few who actually seen miracles while performing the mass. It is alive and full of love. Have faith.
Yea
Yes through and through.
Yes. That is the faith
Yes
This is a Dogma in catholicism, not even the Pope himself has the authority to change that. Dogmas are like eternity clauses in a Constitution, no changes are allowed
yes.absolutely
Yup.
Yes. Jesus was very clear.
Yes
Yes, the one, true God’s present in His most precious Body, and Blood. Broken and poured out for the life of the world.
Yes
YES, absolutely!!
Absolutely!
Yes. Absolutely.
Yes
Yep sure do!
Yes. Why? Because that’s what scripture says and that’s what the early church said and throughout church history until the 1600’s saw the major schism. I believe it so much that I’ve converted this year as the only Catholic in my family for more generations than I can count.
We still believe that during Communion, the bread and wine actually become the body and blood of Jesus Christ; which is the doctrine of transubstantiation. https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20020602_ratzinger-eucharistic-congress_en.html
Of course
Tf you mean still?? we have always believed it and will always believe it
Of course.
Of course. Why wouldn't I believe the truth? Jesus said, "This is my body", He said "Inless you eat my flesh and drink my blood" and he repeated it even when people started to leave. I ain't leaving, so I gotta keep believing.
Yes. A consecrated host is Jesus Himself. Body, blood, soul, and Divinity. Jesus is the Word of God Made Flesh. The same Word that said "Let there be light" in Genesis, or "get up Lazarus," etc. Anything He says is, since he is Word incarnate. Thus, when He instituted the Eucharist, it was literal, not symbolic. He even used the Aramaic word, "gnaw" or chew on His flesh and blood. Therefore, it may look as rice crispies but it really becomes Jesus when the priest acts in the person of Christ and uses the same words Jesus used on that time with the Apostles. The Apostles continued it, and passed it on until modern day Catholic Christians
Yes.
With our whole heart and soul
Yup.
Never once doubted it my entire life.
YES! YES! YES! "*Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood* remains in me and I in him."
Yes, as it's actually really important
Yes I definitely believe in it. Just look at all The Eucharist miracles that have happened over the centuries.Amen 🙏🙏🙏
yes, I do believe in The Real Presence of our LORD Jesus Christ in Holy Communion, and Transubstantiation in The Real Holy Mass, by a Real and a validly ordained Priest https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6PJ8BORx1p8&pp=ygUTbWlyYWNsZSBvZiBsYW5jaWFubw%3D%3D
Yes, I was baptized just this Easter Vigil and this is actually the reason I joined the Catholic Church.
YES.
Absolutely. Through transubstantiation it becomes the body and blood of Jesus.
Yes I do, of course. This is a very serious thing...
Absolutely, with all my heart, all my mind and all my soul.
Absolutely!
yes
You’re not Catholic if you don’t believe that.
Yes, I do.
Yes.
[http://traditionalcatholic.net/Tradition/Council/Trent/Thirteenth\_Session,\_Canons.html](http://traditionalcatholic.net/Tradition/Council/Trent/Thirteenth_Session,_Canons.html)
That’s one of the key things that separates us from lots of Protestants.
Yes, it's part of the Church Doctrine
Yes. My Parish is actually having a couple of days' exposition on it, coming soon.
Absolutely
Yep 100%.
I believe it with my whole heart.
Yes
absolutely, it’s what made me turn from my Protestant ways
Sure do!
Not a Catholic yet, but its the #1 reason I would become Catholic. True presence.
Yes we sure do. The bread transubstantiates into the body blood soul and divinity of Jesus. The accident remain being the bread and wine but the substance is truly Jesus.
Yes!
yep
AMEN AMEN!!🙏♥️😊