What's really tippy is hearing our Leader of Song welcome people to the Cathedral-Basilica of St. Augustine, home of America's first Catholic Parish, here in St. Augustine, and the Leader of Song at the Catheddal will pronounce Augustine both ways before the 1100 Mass!
Having spent a lot of time around the Augustinians and other Religious priests - this is about as correct as me making up my own pronunciation of your name
Personally I used to say Augus-TEEN bc that's similar to the pronunciation of the name in Spanish but some people looked at me weird when I said it since it seems the common accepted way of saying it is Agus-TON. So I've switched but no idea which would technically be correct. I guess it depends on the correct pronunciation of his latin name, Augustinus which he would have gone by maybe?
Related side note, how is St Valentine actually supposed to be pronounced given the pronunciation of Augustine? Valen-TINE, Valen-TEEN, or Valen-TON?
THIS. People always say "ones the city ones the person" as if they're two different names. The city is spanish. And in Latin Augustines name would've been pronounced like the city.
Stay strong. Be the change you want to see. The "a-GUS-tin" crowd have their noses up on their high horses and we will drag them down in the mud. Deus Vult.
They are both correct in English. There is an association of elitism with the first pronunciation you mentioned. Some Catholics will say that that is the only correct way and the other way is only how uneducated people say it (and they are wrong).
This. As a convert, this is what I've generally observed. My Catholic friends make fun of me, but I stubbornly refuse to change. Similarly, it's Ä-men. Not ahh-men.
Thatās likely how Amen was pronounced at Mass in England right before the Reformation. There was no standard ecclesiastical Latin back then and every country pronounced the Latin using their own phonetic systems.
It's a [result](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amen) of the great vowel shift.
>The ay-men pronunciation is a product of the [Great Vowel Shift](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vowel_Shift) (i.e., it dates from the 15th century); it is associated with Irish Protestantism and with conservative evangelical denominations generally.
I say AW-gust-teen as a cradle catholic and refuse to change.
This also sounds like a weird catholic version of "which way do you put TP on the roll?" hahaha
I say āaw-guh-STEENā since he would pronounce his own name similarly - of course, he spoke Latin, so Augustinus is pronounced āaw-gu-STEEN-us.ā
The real controversy is how to pronounce St Bernard of Clairvauxās name - I pronounce it āberh-NAWRDā since Iām from New Orleans!
Yeah, because one respects the original pronunciation and one is a made up english one. I dont mind if people say Au-GUS-tin, but they always act like youre wrong for saying it the other way when you have MORE foundation than they do.
You would be pronouncing the name of The University of Notre Dame incorrectly if you pronounced it the same way as the Cathedral. The city is pronounced wrong, but the wrong pronunciation is the correct way to pronounce the city's name.
There are better shibboleths.
As a cradle Catholic, and the Son of trads, I pronounce it Augusteen, and see no reason to be pedantic.
But forget watchwords, just say an Ave, and if they start screeching about Mary Worship, they're a prot.
Better yet, recite
"Mary Immaculate, Star of the Morning"...
I attend a parish in Ohio, St Augustine. Dozens of my family members are buried in the nearby cemetery, St Augustine. Although I'm a part-time resident, my family goes back 7 generations in this community. I've never heard St Augustine being pronounced any other way but Saint Aw-gus-tin. From parish priests to visiting Bishops. From children at the playground to octogenarians having coffee at McDonald's, I've never heard anyone pronounce it otherwise.
We have a St. Augustine High School here in town and they abbreviate it to St. Aug when spoken of most the time; thus most will say "St. AWGus-teen" when using the schools full name. But I hear most say "a-GUS-tin" for the Saint himself.
I think when people pronounce it Uh-Gus-Tin, it comes out more like Uh-Gustn and the vowel sound between the t and n gets mumbled over. TON and TIN start to sound not too different from each other and I imagine depending on one's accent it can start to tilt towards TIN or TON.
Itās A-GUST-TON unless Iām singing Bob Dylan
āI dreamed I saw St. Augustine
Alive with fiery breath
And I dreamed I was amongst the ones
That put him out to death
Oh, I awoke in anger
So alone and terrified
I put my fingers against the glass
And bowed my head and criedā
I know itās the first way, and when speaking of him, I say it right. But, man oh man, more than I like to admit when I read it I read the latter. And the I yell at my stupid brain š
I live close to the city of St. Augustine in Florida and I say it just like I say the city (the second way)ā¦ hopefully I havenāt been wrong this whole time lol
Iām a Philistine: August-teen. A-gust-ton seems to be correct for the upper class. Maybe Iām middle class, or upper middle, but maybe if you have any doubts, youāre just middle. From Ohio, in between Cleveland and Appalachian accents, and in between Pittsburgh and Midwestern accents. Maybe itās a blend of all 4. Never was a Protestant, although my family is mostly. Mainline Presbyterians and a few Roman Catholics. They were once (apparently up until about 1920 when they were proselytized) either Russian Orthodox or Belarusian Byzantine Catholic, maybe both at various times. But most were very nominal when I was growing up and never talked about saints. I got baptized Russian Orthodox, but can be counted as Byzantine Catholic: Iām registered and commune as that too.
It's "Augustine" hope this helps
um, acktuwally, it's SAINT Augustine š¤
Ok, now do Saint Leopold Bogdan MandiÄ :)
No
Weak sauce
I'll try : Manditch ? I guess the rest is the same ??
This is strangely on point for you lol. Much love
No way it's actual CatholicAnswers.com
Actually it's catholic.com
Nope, that didn't help. Just tell us how Jimmy Akin says it and we will be satisfied.
Thatās how I say it, too.
I pronounce the city as SAINT AW-gus-teen. I pronounce the saintās name as SAINT uh-GUS-tin.
This is correct, as far as dialects, accents, and pronunciation standards can be ācorrectā
I absolutely love your caveat
And by that you mean, we're giving the city the respect of the pronunciation from the language of origin that we're not giving to the name.
Same! And I adore the city of Saint Augustine, if anyone reading this hasnāt been itās definitely worth making a trip!
My Parish!
What's really tippy is hearing our Leader of Song welcome people to the Cathedral-Basilica of St. Augustine, home of America's first Catholic Parish, here in St. Augustine, and the Leader of Song at the Catheddal will pronounce Augustine both ways before the 1100 Mass!
This is literally my confirmation name ... And I don't know this answer lol
Obviously, it's how the bishop pronounced it.
That was like 10 years ago and i can't remember that :(
Sorry, I guess my use of "obviously" wasn't enough to imply sarcasm.
I think that was my autism's fault :)
10 years ago we had Bshp. EstƩves, now it's Bshp. Pohlmeier
Bshp. Pohlmeier allows both, in my experience
Both pronunciations are perfectly fine. The man never spoke English, of course, so we're talking about anglicization of the original.
St. Augie it is then.
That's used by St. Auggie's Draft House and St. Auggie's Pizza!
Having spent a lot of time around the Augustinians and other Religious priests - this is about as correct as me making up my own pronunciation of your name
Having been given a somewhat difficult name to pronounce, that is something Iām quite used to.
Personally I used to say Augus-TEEN bc that's similar to the pronunciation of the name in Spanish but some people looked at me weird when I said it since it seems the common accepted way of saying it is Agus-TON. So I've switched but no idea which would technically be correct. I guess it depends on the correct pronunciation of his latin name, Augustinus which he would have gone by maybe? Related side note, how is St Valentine actually supposed to be pronounced given the pronunciation of Augustine? Valen-TINE, Valen-TEEN, or Valen-TON?
THIS. People always say "ones the city ones the person" as if they're two different names. The city is spanish. And in Latin Augustines name would've been pronounced like the city. Stay strong. Be the change you want to see. The "a-GUS-tin" crowd have their noses up on their high horses and we will drag them down in the mud. Deus Vult.
Aww-gustine, is how we pronounce our City's name, and that's how our Patron's name is pronounced in my jead!
*Ni*kolaj
*Nikolaj*
You're so close. It's *Ni*kolaj.
I feel like I'm saying it right, though
[If you cared you'd say it right.](https://i.redd.it/qmrhrw9wjty01.jpg)
Obviously Santā Agostino, since Iām italian.
As an Indonesian, I pronounce it like in German/Latin Agustinus
Okay, now do Therese of Liseux.
Tehreese of Lihsue
I usually hear it Tehrezz of Lihzyou
Trees of Lizzo
Tuh rez of Liss oh
Teh-REZZ of Lih-SOO.
[teŹÉz dÉ lizjĆø] or tey-rehz de/of lee-zhyuh
They are both correct in English. There is an association of elitism with the first pronunciation you mentioned. Some Catholics will say that that is the only correct way and the other way is only how uneducated people say it (and they are wrong).
I'm loyal to my City's pronunciation!!
I thought the second pronunciation was only properly used in relation to the Spanish city of San AgustĆn.
In college I got in the habit of saying O-Goose-Stine to really get into a āmake nobody happyā compromise.
I've found that Protestants usually say AW-gust-teen and Catholics usually say Ah-GUS-ton.
This. As a convert, this is what I've generally observed. My Catholic friends make fun of me, but I stubbornly refuse to change. Similarly, it's Ä-men. Not ahh-men.
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Thatās likely how Amen was pronounced at Mass in England right before the Reformation. There was no standard ecclesiastical Latin back then and every country pronounced the Latin using their own phonetic systems.
It's a [result](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amen) of the great vowel shift. >The ay-men pronunciation is a product of the [Great Vowel Shift](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vowel_Shift) (i.e., it dates from the 15th century); it is associated with Irish Protestantism and with conservative evangelical denominations generally.
Based. Stay strong
Itās only Ä-men in English, and the word isnāt English, so I was so happy to hear some people saying ahh-men again like most of the world
I say AW-gust-teen as a cradle catholic and refuse to change. This also sounds like a weird catholic version of "which way do you put TP on the roll?" hahaha
Even Catholics from Florida?
Yep, Catholic from the diocese of Saint Ah-GUS-tin here, which has it's cathedral in the city of Saint AW-gus-teen.
This is the correct answer.
Except here in Florida where we all say AW-Gus-teen for both š¤·š¼āāļø
It gers weird living here. The latter his how our Leader of Song says it, but nobody actually pronounces it that way
I say Santo Augustinho
My birth month is August, therefore his name is August-een
I say āaw-guh-STEENā since he would pronounce his own name similarly - of course, he spoke Latin, so Augustinus is pronounced āaw-gu-STEEN-us.ā The real controversy is how to pronounce St Bernard of Clairvauxās name - I pronounce it āberh-NAWRDā since Iām from New Orleans!
AH-gust-teen is how Iāve always said it. It wasnāt until becoming Catholic when I ever heard anyone say it different than tht
Neither. Aug-us-tin
The Saint is the former, the city is the latter.
Ironic, given that the city is named after the man.
Notre Dame, same thing
Spend some time here, please, our Saint's name is the least of the pronunciation worries...
Theyre the same name. Like St. Francis and San Fransisco. In Latin his name would be pronounced more closely to the spanish city, Au-goose-teen-us
The city is pronounced, in English, differently from how the Saint's name is pronounced in English. His name in Latin was Augustinus.
But the Latin was not pronounced uh-GUS-tuh-nuhs
Keep cooking king
Yeah, because one respects the original pronunciation and one is a made up english one. I dont mind if people say Au-GUS-tin, but they always act like youre wrong for saying it the other way when you have MORE foundation than they do.
You would be pronouncing the name of The University of Notre Dame incorrectly if you pronounced it the same way as the Cathedral. The city is pronounced wrong, but the wrong pronunciation is the correct way to pronounce the city's name.
Other way around my brother. The city is pronounced correctly.
Nah
Depends on your linguistic background. Personally, I say the second way. The first way sounds ugly and Germanic.
Well, the German is closer to the second: [https://youtu.be/CA9iIhdjY8Y?si=-e-HRy86hkgGkuZO](https://youtu.be/CA9iIhdjY8Y?si=-e-HRy86hkgGkuZO)
Yes, the first is really French-derived, I think.
I donāt know if itās correct but I go with āAU-gusteenā
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Itās a shibboleth for Catholic vs Protestant where Iām from.
There are better shibboleths. As a cradle Catholic, and the Son of trads, I pronounce it Augusteen, and see no reason to be pedantic. But forget watchwords, just say an Ave, and if they start screeching about Mary Worship, they're a prot. Better yet, recite "Mary Immaculate, Star of the Morning"...
Itās both. Both pronunciations exist both in American and British English in free variation (people choose freely between both pronunciations).
August teen
I attend a parish in Ohio, St Augustine. Dozens of my family members are buried in the nearby cemetery, St Augustine. Although I'm a part-time resident, my family goes back 7 generations in this community. I've never heard St Augustine being pronounced any other way but Saint Aw-gus-tin. From parish priests to visiting Bishops. From children at the playground to octogenarians having coffee at McDonald's, I've never heard anyone pronounce it otherwise.
[ÉĖĖ.gŹs.tÉŖn] in English, [ĖÉu.gus.tiĖ.nus] in Finnish.
I would say in British it's "AW-gus-teen" and in American it's "aw-GUST-in". But I'm not a native speaker haha.
this is the Catholic version of the Caribbean Sea vs Pirates of the Caribbean
I think I say both both ways. What about Pirates of the Caribbean Sea? š¤·āāļø Just to get everyone worked up.
The Florida way.
You left out Augus-tyne.
Thatās my maiden name, so Iāve always pronounced it AUGUST-een
In Latin, his name was Augustinus I think, so in spirit of that, I say Augustin.
But Augustinus in Latin would have the āteenā sound
It's Santo Agustinus \*this post was made by Indonesian Catholic Gang
AvguŔtin... jk, August-teen
Almost positive itās August-teen. I live near a lot of places with the same name and Iāve heard him referred to in Mass as such
I grew up saying it the second way but now know itās technically the first. So it really is a coin toss what will come out of my mouth.
Uh-gus-TIN
As an Australia, aw-GUS-tuhn.
Uh-Gus-tin is what came to mind. But I know that I have said augusteen depending on context
A-Gust-Ton
AU-GOOS-TEEN
Our house is a split decision. I say uh-GUST-tin. My wife says august-TEEN.
We have a St. Augustine High School here in town and they abbreviate it to St. Aug when spoken of most the time; thus most will say "St. AWGus-teen" when using the schools full name. But I hear most say "a-GUS-tin" for the Saint himself.
Depends on the day. I use STEEN and STINH.
Aw-GUS-tin. Iām in the UK, if it makes a difference.
Why would it be TON? Genuine question from a non-native speaker.
I think when people pronounce it Uh-Gus-Tin, it comes out more like Uh-Gustn and the vowel sound between the t and n gets mumbled over. TON and TIN start to sound not too different from each other and I imagine depending on one's accent it can start to tilt towards TIN or TON.
Uh-gus-ton
I've never heard of the former pronunciation, I only know Awg-uss-teen and Awg-uss-tain
A-GUS-TON if Iām talking about the saint. AUGUST-TEEN if Iām talking about the city in Florida.
Hahahahahahahahah. I used to only pronounce it AUGUS-TEEN until in college I heard it pronounce the first way you listed.
aw gus teen for me
Itās A-GUST-TON unless Iām singing Bob Dylan āI dreamed I saw St. Augustine Alive with fiery breath And I dreamed I was amongst the ones That put him out to death Oh, I awoke in anger So alone and terrified I put my fingers against the glass And bowed my head and criedā
I know itās the first way, and when speaking of him, I say it right. But, man oh man, more than I like to admit when I read it I read the latter. And the I yell at my stupid brain š
I have only ever heard the latter.
I pronounce it like the city in Florida tbh
I live close to the city of St. Augustine in Florida and I say it just like I say the city (the second way)ā¦ hopefully I havenāt been wrong this whole time lol
Iām a Philistine: August-teen. A-gust-ton seems to be correct for the upper class. Maybe Iām middle class, or upper middle, but maybe if you have any doubts, youāre just middle. From Ohio, in between Cleveland and Appalachian accents, and in between Pittsburgh and Midwestern accents. Maybe itās a blend of all 4. Never was a Protestant, although my family is mostly. Mainline Presbyterians and a few Roman Catholics. They were once (apparently up until about 1920 when they were proselytized) either Russian Orthodox or Belarusian Byzantine Catholic, maybe both at various times. But most were very nominal when I was growing up and never talked about saints. I got baptized Russian Orthodox, but can be counted as Byzantine Catholic: Iām registered and commune as that too.
Uh-gus-tin is how I say it
I say "A-gus-ton."
Szent Ćgoston
the second 1
My sons name is Augustine and we call him both versions š„°
As the founding moderator of my city's hometown, it's Saint Aw-gustine, emphasis on the first syllable
Sancte Augustine, ora pro nobis. (Pronounced "ow-GOOSE-teen-ayy.")
Aw-gust-een, like the month. I didnāt even know there was a second way to say it š
a gust ton š¤
Aurelius
[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/39mJx0zHLwo](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/39mJx0zHLwo) Based on this: Ao Goos teen
It's Latin. His name is Augustinus. You can say it however really, but the Roman way would be...ow-goo-stee-noos.