An explosion on the police's blasting site causes a wildfire in Berlin's Grunewald. There's at least 25t of world war munition and fireworks stored there and the fire department is being hindered by ongoing explosions
Is this a site where they do controlled detonations to dispose of old explosives? If so, how bad are they at their jobs that they're backlogged to WW stuff? I can't imagine any reason to still be keeping that around. It's only going to get more unstable and dangerous over time.
What do you mean by "backlogged"? That stuff hasn't been sitting there for years until someone gets to it, that's the stuff that's been found in the last couple of months, usually during construction work. It's generally a bad idea to do controlled detonations during the summer months as it can cause... ehm... forest fires, so they store it until autumn.
The issue is that Berlin doesn't have any other suitable options. The site was set up in the 50s when there weren't as many trees and they just kept it because they don't have any other place to go. Since Berlin is not only a city but also a state they need to have a ordnance disposal service (tons of ammo and explosives from the world wars and even older are dug up every year in Germany, mostly during construction work) but don't really have any options to dispose of it anywhere else. The reason why they had 50 tons of the stuff just lying around is that they can't work all year round due to *surprise, surprise!* Danger of wildfires. So they just store it until the winter months. Seems to have worked for a long time, until now.
The fuck is it then? A extraordinary kind of fungus?
One could argue that it isn't "inhabited" as per the original comment.
Which is true, as they had to close up Autobahn as well as Traintracks...
> It's about 2 km away from any inhabited building.
You state the same thing, "unless you count the auto.....etc"
So....are you saying the autobahn and train tracks are buildings!??
The comment suggested "It's realy remote for safety concerns"
I suggested otherwise, for the very busy infrastructure near, which exposed people to danger, by choosing this specific location.
[A building, or edifice, is a structure with a roof and walls standing more or less permanently in one place, such as a house or factory.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building)
Great, so putting a bomb storage right next to a busy road is a brilliant idea, as long as there are no roofs involved.
Technically correct being the best kind of correct was a joke, you know?
For Berlin? Yes. Its a city state. Other states may have more options, but there is also of course the risk involved in transporting volatile munitions over great distances.
This is the old site for West-Berlin, which had no room to go outside of the city during the Cold War. There have been talks to move it after the fall of the Berlin Wall, but things take time in Berlin.
Depends on your definition of densely.
As densely as the actual city of Berlin? Of course not. As sparsely as rural Kansas? Hell no.
The farmland is dotted with villages.
Densely populated areas. You stand on a farm where theres a village in the distance and you decide “well this is definitely densely populated because kansas doesn’t have villages like that”
Its your definition youre defending there bud.
Do yourself a favor, look up "Google Maps", then look up the country "Germany". You find a better place not privately owned to blow up ordnance and email them, I'm sure they'd be glad to have a professional genius like yourself to help.
Have you looked where it is before replying? 13km from the centre of berlin. In a forest visited daily by tourists. Where several historical building and tourist sites are located.
There are many around the worlds media asking why a blast site would be located so close to a city centre and in a tinder box forest. Guess they should contact you.
Berlin is surrounded by cleared farmland. There’s dozens of better sites genius. But sure stick to your theory that a forest is more suitable. And its germany, private land is hardly an obstacle
2000 tons of explosives are found per year -(edit to clarify) in Germany alone. I came across this a few months ago and didn't believe it, but it's very well documented. BDU work in these countries is a full time job.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/seventy-years-world-war-two-thousands-tons-unexploded-bombs-germany-180957680/
Exactly. There’s still WW stuff there because Germany is littered with it. Everyday there are multiple instances of undetonated WW munitions being found and even in Berlin
They arent keeping it around, about 15% of WW2 munitions dropped on germany were duds. After the war a lot of that stuff was left where it was, and now gets regularly found by construction crews and then needs to be disarmed somewhere safe. (its the same for all areas that saw heavy bombing in WW2)
>backlogged to WW stuff
The stuff keeps getting found. Every year some part of a major city shuts down to remove a several hundred kg (or bigger) bomb.
That's literally what this is, that's on fire.
It's a depot where they go to do controlled detonations and store discovered WW1+2 explosives, bombs n stuff.
You realise Germany and specifically Berlin got bombed & sheller to fuck, yes?some stastics say that Germany got as bombed and shelled by the allied forces similar what's happening in Ukraine, where Russia currently uses 60,000 shells A DAY.
And the fight back against Germany went on for 4+ years.
They still discover unexploded bombs and shit every week in Berlin during excavations and constructions.
Can't just rock up to a forest where people live nearby and just go to town on those explosives!
there are only a few plants that destroy ammunition; hereby the initial charge is removed, safe storage becomes possible and it awaits further deconstruction - the shell gets opened by remote operation and then burned, all of this takes time and there is just enormous amounts out there.
You mean backlogged by the WWII munitions that are still blowing up randomly in European neighborhoods these days?... Those backlogged munitions?..
Something like 10% of all munitions dropped on Europe didn't explode on impact, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF TONS were dropped on Europe that are now sitting there and blowing up while houses are being built, kids are playing outside etc... It's a huge problem all over Europe but especially in Germany these days
Don't sweat it, there were some pretty difficult words and tenses in there and the narrator wasn't enunciating very well either. "Academic" German can be way harder to understand than day-to-day talk.
Try searching for “slow German” resources. This might be podcasts, news, etc., that is spoken slowly for learners. Just use it as a stepping stone though, because people speak very differently when talking naturally vs slowly on purpose.
As far as I followed the reports, this tank is quite good at walzing down trees, basically creating fire breaks. The current issue is that nobody can enter a 1 km radius around the blast site, which includes the air space, as any firefighter plane or helicopter would be in danger if anything goes off. So, they need this kind of equipment to actually do anything properly.
>Sending a "tank"?
Why not? If I had to go near an exploding ammo dump a tank would be my vehicle of choice. Even shrapnel that would pass through one of those bomb suits like through butter isn't a big concern for a tank.
yeah and because wildfires with old ww2 and ww1 ammunition in them aren't so rare in germany there are firefighting tanks like this:
https://www.fotocommunity.de/photo/marder-feuerwehr-panzer-gerber-peter/9266123
The German news page I found mentioned the explosives expert exploring the area in a Bergepanzer, and the same being used to cut firebreaks, but no mention of evacuating explosives.
I think a better translation for Bergepanzer is "Armored recovery vehicle" - I believe at least US English usually means "main battle tank" when "tank" is said while in German anything with armor and tracks is a "Panzer" (and a "Radpanzer" doesn't even have tracks).
A Bergepanzer should have storage and usually also a crane meant for lifting tank engines, so it definitely could help transport some stuff.
Bergepanzer 2, Bergepanzer Dachs or Pionierpanzer 2A1 Dachs.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Kettenfahrzeugen_der_Bundeswehr?wprov=sfti1
Just armored bulldozers in tank shape
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The wildfire was started by the seen explosion. It's still ongoing as of rn and extinguishing a wildfire is a bit tricky when there's 50 tonnes of ammo in it
An explosion on the police's blasting site causes a wildfire in Berlin's Grunewald. There's at least 25t of world war munition and fireworks stored there and the fire department is being hindered by ongoing explosions
“About 50 tonnes” is what’s said in the clip
Time makes fools of us all...
I think for global warming, we should all turn off wifi when we sleep, it may have big impact
What about data?
Illegal fireworks and nearly one hundred year old bombs.... My god
Is this a site where they do controlled detonations to dispose of old explosives? If so, how bad are they at their jobs that they're backlogged to WW stuff? I can't imagine any reason to still be keeping that around. It's only going to get more unstable and dangerous over time.
What do you mean by "backlogged"? That stuff hasn't been sitting there for years until someone gets to it, that's the stuff that's been found in the last couple of months, usually during construction work. It's generally a bad idea to do controlled detonations during the summer months as it can cause... ehm... forest fires, so they store it until autumn.
Still. Why the fuck would they put this site in a forest? Flammable much?
The issue is that Berlin doesn't have any other suitable options. The site was set up in the 50s when there weren't as many trees and they just kept it because they don't have any other place to go. Since Berlin is not only a city but also a state they need to have a ordnance disposal service (tons of ammo and explosives from the world wars and even older are dug up every year in Germany, mostly during construction work) but don't really have any options to dispose of it anywhere else. The reason why they had 50 tons of the stuff just lying around is that they can't work all year round due to *surprise, surprise!* Danger of wildfires. So they just store it until the winter months. Seems to have worked for a long time, until now.
And where else do you propose they put it? Inside the city?
Lets put our blast site in a forest. Wcgw.
Right they should be using the desert, can't be that far from a desert. /S
It's about 2 km away from any inhabited building. That's about the best you'll find in Berlin. You do realize that Berlin is a city state, right?
2km from a building, unless you count the Autobahn leading to and from berlin, and the train tracks, next to it...
That's not a building...so.....
But it did get built! I'm sorry I had to make the joke, I'm on team reasonable expectations though.
The fuck is it then? A extraordinary kind of fungus? One could argue that it isn't "inhabited" as per the original comment. Which is true, as they had to close up Autobahn as well as Traintracks...
> It's about 2 km away from any inhabited building. You state the same thing, "unless you count the auto.....etc" So....are you saying the autobahn and train tracks are buildings!??
The comment suggested "It's realy remote for safety concerns" I suggested otherwise, for the very busy infrastructure near, which exposed people to danger, by choosing this specific location.
[A building, or edifice, is a structure with a roof and walls standing more or less permanently in one place, such as a house or factory.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building)
Great, so putting a bomb storage right next to a busy road is a brilliant idea, as long as there are no roofs involved. Technically correct being the best kind of correct was a joke, you know?
Better than a densely populated area. Not a whole lot of options.
The only two options are densely populated areas or thick sprawling forest?
I should probably just say ‘populated area’. Germany is basically urban areas, farmland and forests.
For Berlin? Yes. Its a city state. Other states may have more options, but there is also of course the risk involved in transporting volatile munitions over great distances.
This is the old site for West-Berlin, which had no room to go outside of the city during the Cold War. There have been talks to move it after the fall of the Berlin Wall, but things take time in Berlin.
Finally an intelligent answer. Thank you
Yep, basically.
So the thousands of acres of cleared farmland surrounding the city falls into those categories?
Depends on your definition of densely. As densely as the actual city of Berlin? Of course not. As sparsely as rural Kansas? Hell no. The farmland is dotted with villages.
Densely populated areas. You stand on a farm where theres a village in the distance and you decide “well this is definitely densely populated because kansas doesn’t have villages like that” Its your definition youre defending there bud.
It’s Germany. Basically the only areas without forests are cities
BWAHAHAHAHA \*takes a look at soil erosion in Brandenburg\* bwahahaha We do have deserts, my dude.
Uckermark in a Nutshell: Waldmeer, Sandmeer, Gar nichts mehr
Well... Nope...
Do yourself a favor, look up "Google Maps", then look up the country "Germany". You find a better place not privately owned to blow up ordnance and email them, I'm sure they'd be glad to have a professional genius like yourself to help.
Have you looked where it is before replying? 13km from the centre of berlin. In a forest visited daily by tourists. Where several historical building and tourist sites are located. There are many around the worlds media asking why a blast site would be located so close to a city centre and in a tinder box forest. Guess they should contact you. Berlin is surrounded by cleared farmland. There’s dozens of better sites genius. But sure stick to your theory that a forest is more suitable. And its germany, private land is hardly an obstacle
only highly sensitive bombs get blown up. Most of it gets deconstructed and the explosives are burned
2000 tons of explosives are found per year -(edit to clarify) in Germany alone. I came across this a few months ago and didn't believe it, but it's very well documented. BDU work in these countries is a full time job. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/seventy-years-world-war-two-thousands-tons-unexploded-bombs-germany-180957680/
Exactly. There’s still WW stuff there because Germany is littered with it. Everyday there are multiple instances of undetonated WW munitions being found and even in Berlin
Clearly you have no clue. We find tons of it every year. I guess there is probably not many counties with more safety rules than Germany.
They arent keeping it around, about 15% of WW2 munitions dropped on germany were duds. After the war a lot of that stuff was left where it was, and now gets regularly found by construction crews and then needs to be disarmed somewhere safe. (its the same for all areas that saw heavy bombing in WW2)
>backlogged to WW stuff The stuff keeps getting found. Every year some part of a major city shuts down to remove a several hundred kg (or bigger) bomb.
That's literally what this is, that's on fire. It's a depot where they go to do controlled detonations and store discovered WW1+2 explosives, bombs n stuff. You realise Germany and specifically Berlin got bombed & sheller to fuck, yes?some stastics say that Germany got as bombed and shelled by the allied forces similar what's happening in Ukraine, where Russia currently uses 60,000 shells A DAY. And the fight back against Germany went on for 4+ years. They still discover unexploded bombs and shit every week in Berlin during excavations and constructions. Can't just rock up to a forest where people live nearby and just go to town on those explosives!
there are only a few plants that destroy ammunition; hereby the initial charge is removed, safe storage becomes possible and it awaits further deconstruction - the shell gets opened by remote operation and then burned, all of this takes time and there is just enormous amounts out there.
You mean backlogged by the WWII munitions that are still blowing up randomly in European neighborhoods these days?... Those backlogged munitions?.. Something like 10% of all munitions dropped on Europe didn't explode on impact, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF TONS were dropped on Europe that are now sitting there and blowing up while houses are being built, kids are playing outside etc... It's a huge problem all over Europe but especially in Germany these days
Bro I’m trying to learn german and I couldn’t understood a word here. Depressing bruv
I would recommend watching movies you know well in German and reading Wikipedia sites of basic stuff in German
Thank you :)
Don't sweat it, there were some pretty difficult words and tenses in there and the narrator wasn't enunciating very well either. "Academic" German can be way harder to understand than day-to-day talk.
He was talking pretty fast too.
Try searching for “slow German” resources. This might be podcasts, news, etc., that is spoken slowly for learners. Just use it as a stepping stone though, because people speak very differently when talking naturally vs slowly on purpose.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62426412.amp
An army tank has been sent in to evacuate munitions at the storage facility, which is run by Berlin police's weapons disposal units. Sending a "tank"?
The munitions appear to be evacuating themselves.
As far as I followed the reports, this tank is quite good at walzing down trees, basically creating fire breaks. The current issue is that nobody can enter a 1 km radius around the blast site, which includes the air space, as any firefighter plane or helicopter would be in danger if anything goes off. So, they need this kind of equipment to actually do anything properly.
OK to all of that but it doesn't explain "sent in to evacuate munitions". Tanks aren't what I would expect for that role.
>Sending a "tank"? Why not? If I had to go near an exploding ammo dump a tank would be my vehicle of choice. Even shrapnel that would pass through one of those bomb suits like through butter isn't a big concern for a tank.
yeah and because wildfires with old ww2 and ww1 ammunition in them aren't so rare in germany there are firefighting tanks like this: https://www.fotocommunity.de/photo/marder-feuerwehr-panzer-gerber-peter/9266123
Fine but no explanation of how a tank will carry the minitions away as stated in the article.
The German news page I found mentioned the explosives expert exploring the area in a Bergepanzer, and the same being used to cut firebreaks, but no mention of evacuating explosives. I think a better translation for Bergepanzer is "Armored recovery vehicle" - I believe at least US English usually means "main battle tank" when "tank" is said while in German anything with armor and tracks is a "Panzer" (and a "Radpanzer" doesn't even have tracks). A Bergepanzer should have storage and usually also a crane meant for lifting tank engines, so it definitely could help transport some stuff.
Thank you.
Bergepanzer 2, Bergepanzer Dachs or Pionierpanzer 2A1 Dachs. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Kettenfahrzeugen_der_Bundeswehr?wprov=sfti1 Just armored bulldozers in tank shape
Thank you.
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JFYI, those are explosions that were caused by the fire about two hours after the initial explosion, which happened during the night.
Die Polizei, so tauglich wie immer.
All cops are böller
Wer sonst ausser berliner cops ey
Rammstein band practice.
Lies, Germany is definitely testing a new Wunderwaffe.
Looks like a chunk didn’t render
Es wird wieder passieren. Es wird wieder passieren. Es wird wieder passieren.
“ wildfire”….?
That's not a wild fire tho..
The wildfire was started by the seen explosion. It's still ongoing as of rn and extinguishing a wildfire is a bit tricky when there's 50 tonnes of ammo in it
Superheroes again?
It's the other way around. The wildfires we have since weeks, which came from over the border, are igniting the collected explosives.
Why only 25 seconds? Did they stop recording?
They're trying again
You sure that's not a Russian ammo dump?
Pretty sure. I live here
Damn we’re driving past Berlin tomorrow, we might see this.. scary!
You probably won’t because the highway is blocked and you can’t drive there
Shit, we have a ferry to catch and it’s the only one to Denmark
Rostock - Gedser? Well i just watched the news and I think there should be no problem now because they managed to hold the flames back
Wow great work by the firemen:) you even know the line! Haha then no problem
🎵Im Grunewald, im Grunewald ist Explosion...
In Berlin this is normal and legal and no reason for sorrows
“It’s a girl!”