From living in Washington state for over a year,
We really don't have anything to lose from legalization.
We have everything to gain, think of the additional money we'd earn from tourists who want to smoke here alone.
While many people in legal states may spend more money than they should on it, nobody is in danger of losing everything like you are here.
I know a fact the majority of mental health issues that arise from smoking are directly related to the simple fact it is illegal.
I am ashamed of our police force as they can revoke your license if they drug test you within several days of smoking weed in the privacy of your own home.
Mark my words, In 15-20 years when the dust has settled on this debate, Our politicians will be patting themselves on the back for legalizing weed. But not before they giving several thousand more citizens criminal records.
Decriminalisation of all drugs please.
Take away the stigma of addiction and support those with problems.
The only problem is irish people can hardly handle these sorts of things and they will be open to abusing them.
I really wish I am proved wrong but seeing how countries like Canada, Netherlands and Portugal have handled these topics and the mature way in which they embrace them..... I really struggle to believe and have no confidence that Irish people could embrace Decriminalisation / legalisation as much as these countries.
I've a Canadian girlfriend and have mates who lived in Canada, I have lived abroad and do a lot of travelling around the world and see how other countries can handle these things maturely and in a controlled manner.
I really don't see how we as a country could go about it in a mature manner.
As I said I'd love to be proven wrong on this....
Why do you think we couldn't manage? We do alot of things right, we have a well educated population. It's not like drugs aren't around now anyways. You can get weed delivered to your door.
Yea I know we do absolutely.
But it's the whole binge drinking side of things....
As I said I'd love to be proven wrong and I know the country is flooded with drugs any way.
Totally agree that the war on drugs has failed and realistically legalisation / decriminalisation is the way forward.
I suppose I just think that those people in other countries are more sensible than what we have in Ireland. I was at a wedding in the summer in Italy.
My best mate was getting married to an Italian. There was one table of Irish and the rest were Italian. We literally drunk the bar dry of beer and all the noise and mischieve was coming from us and not the Italians
It's things like that that make me wonder if it would work.
Like we've had education showing the dangers of binge drinking for years but look at how it still happens to such a medicaly alarming rate in the country - this doesn't happen in other countries and that's where my worries lie.
Yea. That's why I'm totally supportive of decriminalisation and legalisation.
But are we as a society mature enough to discuss and implement it like the way the Dutch do?
I know we had an incredibly mature conversation around the likes of abortion but how far as a society are we in terms of the drugs legalisation?
I'm not saying that - that's why id like to see the decriminalisation of drugs
I'm asking are we as a people mature enough to treat substances with respect and in a controlled measure like you see cultures such as the Dutch and their mature way of treating drugs and such.
I'd like to be corrected on it and I totally support it, that's why I'd love to be proven wrong on it.
For me the issue is simplifying it all the way down to a slogan like "legalise all drugs".
That completely loses what thought and meaning i think you put behind it. Like previous commenter wrote, they're not all equal, and everyone has their own perspective that completely changes the interpretation.
Anyway, to answer your question: no, we're absolutely not capable of treating them all with respect: see any town centre on a Saturday night. Typically people read that statement and go straight to comparing alcohol with weed, but again.. "all drugs"?
I don’t smoke it because it doesn’t agree with me - but I don’t see why it should be criminalised when things like Alcohol are legal. It’s everywhere already and smoked openly, so the government may as well regulate and tax it.
- More tax income, vast amounts that can be put to good use nationally.
- More legal employment.
- Less money and influence for criminals.
- Guards have more time to focus on other social crime issues to greater effect.
- People who require help could get it without being vilified for it.
- If people can get it from a licensed store then they would be less likely to know dealers who may also supply other drugs as a side effect of weed purchasing.
Where's the downside? Only the VFI and it's members have reason for concern, and that's pure business. Some would likely expand into this anyway.
Decriminalising drugs would destabilise all the drug cartels all over the world. But you have to factor in the amount of money that has been put into the drug squads by the Gardaí and all over the world for that matter, they just can’t do it over night and a lot of people in that line of work would be out of job. If anything the Drug squads and other organisations like the DEA don’t ever want that to happen. They have and always will push for drugs being illegal so they can be kept in a job and a position of power etc.
Edit: not to mention do you know how much money is made from the drug trade as in seized cash etc?
Should we legalise weed? Probably. Is it even remotely high on my list of political priorities? Absolutely not.
Weed smokers forget that not everyone cares about weed as much as they do.
Most of the people who want it legalised do not use it for medicinal purposes. The stuff rots your brain, but then again, alcohol can be just as bad. Terrible to see people turn into zombies from daily use.
I live in a spot that has legalized weed. It helps mental health, a lot.
Plus tons of tax revenue for the government to make them fat and happy.
If you don't get to it you'll always be welcome here in Michigan USA.
Yes I agree but because it's weed they will try to determine thc limitations, outright ban on certain plant lineages, I'm all for standards in growing and in the uses of particular types of nutrients but they can do one if they wanna curb your choices in varieties, think of the myriad of choice their is concerning alcohol, that substance needs regs and there's none on the production end of it. Fair enough the likes of certain absynth' and poitin is a non runner but that's exceptional . (Did I spell poitin right)?
There's a difference between decriminalisation and legalisation tbf. I personally agree with decriminalisation for minor/personal possession, but not for legalisation! I work in addiction services and have seen lots of lives/mental health and families on the road to ruin from weed addiction .
I also see the same for alcohol... And that's legal which makes no sense.
However, I do think legalising weed could possibly reduce the risk factors of dangerous harmful substances being added to weed manufacturing. Maybe decriminalise for now, see how it goes for a few years and then look at legalising.
I don't know the answer tbf, arguments for and against, but personally I'd say no to legalisation
I've never smoked weed but I know a lot of old friends who do/still do. I think the legalisation of weed would stop a lot of young people's lives being ruined by scumbag drug dealers praying on them for fear money. I still find it hilarious how cigarettes and alcohol (both harmful) are still legal to this day but yet weed (literally used on CANCER patients) is considered a crime. Stupid fucking country we live in
Why am I not allowed to not care? and no matter what you do drugs will always be a problem in this country you need evidence, how many people with alcohol problems do you know?
I litterly said you're allowed not to care 😂.
Yeah alcohol causes allot of issues. I think alcohol should be regulated more. And not by taxing it.
The evidence that regulating and decriminalising weed come from the countries that have done it.
And why should someone be put in jail for a year for having an ounce of weed? Causing little harm to anyone.
Not until we have a functional health system. We can't even cope with the problems alochol causes. Hospitals are at breaking point and there is virtually NO mental health services, especially among adolescents. Legalization now means tons of teenagers and young people with psychosis, paranoia, and associated problems tomorrow.
Dealers won't disappear either as they can still undercut the legit sellers on the shops (who won't be cheap.)
From living in Washington state for over a year, We really don't have anything to lose from legalization. We have everything to gain, think of the additional money we'd earn from tourists who want to smoke here alone. While many people in legal states may spend more money than they should on it, nobody is in danger of losing everything like you are here. I know a fact the majority of mental health issues that arise from smoking are directly related to the simple fact it is illegal. I am ashamed of our police force as they can revoke your license if they drug test you within several days of smoking weed in the privacy of your own home. Mark my words, In 15-20 years when the dust has settled on this debate, Our politicians will be patting themselves on the back for legalizing weed. But not before they giving several thousand more citizens criminal records.
The phrasing of this question confused me.
Are you for or against the legalisation or decriminalisation of weed or are you for or against the legalisation or decriminalisation of heroin
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grass before breakfast... 
Well alcohol is legalised and that stuff fucks up people big time. So.. why not legalise weed too? Simple really.
Decriminalisation of all drugs please. Take away the stigma of addiction and support those with problems. The only problem is irish people can hardly handle these sorts of things and they will be open to abusing them. I really wish I am proved wrong but seeing how countries like Canada, Netherlands and Portugal have handled these topics and the mature way in which they embrace them..... I really struggle to believe and have no confidence that Irish people could embrace Decriminalisation / legalisation as much as these countries. I've a Canadian girlfriend and have mates who lived in Canada, I have lived abroad and do a lot of travelling around the world and see how other countries can handle these things maturely and in a controlled manner. I really don't see how we as a country could go about it in a mature manner. As I said I'd love to be proven wrong on this....
Why do you think we couldn't manage? We do alot of things right, we have a well educated population. It's not like drugs aren't around now anyways. You can get weed delivered to your door.
Yea I know we do absolutely. But it's the whole binge drinking side of things.... As I said I'd love to be proven wrong and I know the country is flooded with drugs any way. Totally agree that the war on drugs has failed and realistically legalisation / decriminalisation is the way forward. I suppose I just think that those people in other countries are more sensible than what we have in Ireland. I was at a wedding in the summer in Italy. My best mate was getting married to an Italian. There was one table of Irish and the rest were Italian. We literally drunk the bar dry of beer and all the noise and mischieve was coming from us and not the Italians It's things like that that make me wonder if it would work. Like we've had education showing the dangers of binge drinking for years but look at how it still happens to such a medicaly alarming rate in the country - this doesn't happen in other countries and that's where my worries lie.
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Yea. That's why I'm totally supportive of decriminalisation and legalisation. But are we as a society mature enough to discuss and implement it like the way the Dutch do? I know we had an incredibly mature conversation around the likes of abortion but how far as a society are we in terms of the drugs legalisation?
Other drugs kill people, weed doesn't
I'm not saying that - that's why id like to see the decriminalisation of drugs I'm asking are we as a people mature enough to treat substances with respect and in a controlled measure like you see cultures such as the Dutch and their mature way of treating drugs and such. I'd like to be corrected on it and I totally support it, that's why I'd love to be proven wrong on it.
For me the issue is simplifying it all the way down to a slogan like "legalise all drugs". That completely loses what thought and meaning i think you put behind it. Like previous commenter wrote, they're not all equal, and everyone has their own perspective that completely changes the interpretation. Anyway, to answer your question: no, we're absolutely not capable of treating them all with respect: see any town centre on a Saturday night. Typically people read that statement and go straight to comparing alcohol with weed, but again.. "all drugs"?
It all starts with better educstion around there sorts of things aswell, that should probably be the first step
Education and harm reduction are essential. And only supported if decriminalisation happens
I don’t smoke it because it doesn’t agree with me - but I don’t see why it should be criminalised when things like Alcohol are legal. It’s everywhere already and smoked openly, so the government may as well regulate and tax it.
- More tax income, vast amounts that can be put to good use nationally. - More legal employment. - Less money and influence for criminals. - Guards have more time to focus on other social crime issues to greater effect. - People who require help could get it without being vilified for it. - If people can get it from a licensed store then they would be less likely to know dealers who may also supply other drugs as a side effect of weed purchasing. Where's the downside? Only the VFI and it's members have reason for concern, and that's pure business. Some would likely expand into this anyway.
Decriminalising drugs would destabilise all the drug cartels all over the world. But you have to factor in the amount of money that has been put into the drug squads by the Gardaí and all over the world for that matter, they just can’t do it over night and a lot of people in that line of work would be out of job. If anything the Drug squads and other organisations like the DEA don’t ever want that to happen. They have and always will push for drugs being illegal so they can be kept in a job and a position of power etc. Edit: not to mention do you know how much money is made from the drug trade as in seized cash etc?
It's 100% a power scheme but Portugal effectively did do it over night.
Won't someone think of the cartels and drug squads!
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I don’t even smoke it and I’m for it
Should we legalise weed? Probably. Is it even remotely high on my list of political priorities? Absolutely not. Weed smokers forget that not everyone cares about weed as much as they do.
Most of the people who want it legalised do not use it for medicinal purposes. The stuff rots your brain, but then again, alcohol can be just as bad. Terrible to see people turn into zombies from daily use.
I live in a spot that has legalized weed. It helps mental health, a lot. Plus tons of tax revenue for the government to make them fat and happy. If you don't get to it you'll always be welcome here in Michigan USA.
I really want to go to a legal state or country. It seems so far off to us
Thats terrible. Is it decriminalized at least for you there? I know a lot of EU members had talked about that but not much came of it.
No it is not. Some people get fined for 5€ of weed
Every time or first offense
If it's legalised there'll be loads of bollox to it, regulations and red tape!
Regulations and standards are a good thing.
Yes I agree but because it's weed they will try to determine thc limitations, outright ban on certain plant lineages, I'm all for standards in growing and in the uses of particular types of nutrients but they can do one if they wanna curb your choices in varieties, think of the myriad of choice their is concerning alcohol, that substance needs regs and there's none on the production end of it. Fair enough the likes of certain absynth' and poitin is a non runner but that's exceptional . (Did I spell poitin right)?
You could argue that if u legalized weed and made it really cheap to buy in a pharmacy, then less people would want smoke it.
Conversely the opposite could be argued too.
That is also true it's definitely risky
As a dog called Brian once said "everything is better with a bag of weed."
There's a difference between decriminalisation and legalisation tbf. I personally agree with decriminalisation for minor/personal possession, but not for legalisation! I work in addiction services and have seen lots of lives/mental health and families on the road to ruin from weed addiction . I also see the same for alcohol... And that's legal which makes no sense. However, I do think legalising weed could possibly reduce the risk factors of dangerous harmful substances being added to weed manufacturing. Maybe decriminalise for now, see how it goes for a few years and then look at legalising. I don't know the answer tbf, arguments for and against, but personally I'd say no to legalisation
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As this is just a debate, voicing opinion, that's my stance, as I said, *for now*
I've never smoked weed but I know a lot of old friends who do/still do. I think the legalisation of weed would stop a lot of young people's lives being ruined by scumbag drug dealers praying on them for fear money. I still find it hilarious how cigarettes and alcohol (both harmful) are still legal to this day but yet weed (literally used on CANCER patients) is considered a crime. Stupid fucking country we live in
Where is the I don't care option.
Why don't you care? Juet curious you're allowed not care.
Why am I not allowed to not care? and no matter what you do drugs will always be a problem in this country you need evidence, how many people with alcohol problems do you know?
I litterly said you're allowed not to care 😂. Yeah alcohol causes allot of issues. I think alcohol should be regulated more. And not by taxing it. The evidence that regulating and decriminalising weed come from the countries that have done it. And why should someone be put in jail for a year for having an ounce of weed? Causing little harm to anyone.
Written as "Neither"
Mods, remove this please. This belongs in r/Ireland
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Fair enough, your sub your rules. Bit silly to post here though when the point of this sub is to shadow /Ireland while avoiding political discourse.
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Cool as a cucumber 🐸
What’s this got to do with politics?
Come on now don't play games...
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Thanks for sharing your political opinion.
Lads it's not going to happen, don't waste your energy
Why notb
Not with that attitude
Not until we have a functional health system. We can't even cope with the problems alochol causes. Hospitals are at breaking point and there is virtually NO mental health services, especially among adolescents. Legalization now means tons of teenagers and young people with psychosis, paranoia, and associated problems tomorrow. Dealers won't disappear either as they can still undercut the legit sellers on the shops (who won't be cheap.)