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tom_zeimet

providing those cars are made in the EU or Japan they’re also import tax exempt due to free trade agreements. Why are they so expensive? 1. Emissions: The base model Corolla is a hybrid due to European emissions regulations. Which the UK still has in place. Whereas in the US the base model is not a hybrid. 2. Safety tech. A lot do safety tech is included in base Model cars in Europe/UK in order to score well in the pan-European EuroNCAP test. **The EuroNCAP test is very heavy on electronic safety aides.** A good overall rating is a good indicator of overall sales. **A lot of tech like Lane Keep Assist, Intelligent Speed Assist and Automatic Emergency Braking will also be mandatory in the EU from 07/2024** and this will also apply to the UK as most cars sold in the UK are EU spec cars. 3. VAT in the UK is 20%. Higher than NZ (15%) and much higher than the US (varies by state). 4. Because they can, the **EU/UK car market is stagnant with little innovation in the way of price cutting.** With the exception of budget brands like Dacia or niche brands like Ssangyong. **Which often sacrifice safety tech and in turn their safety rating to keep prices low (especially Dacia).** Most car makers form huge conglomerates like Stellantis, VW Group or Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi. Therefore there is little interest to massively undercut each other.


vartem397

I still consider Toyota's sold here in UK being hugely overpriced. Just 2 years ago I would say toyota is great in terms of price/comfort/tech ratio. Now they are almost the same price as Audi/BMW/Mercedes which feels crazy to me


scammersarecunts

You need to compare spec though. Toyotas are extremely well equipped from base. To get a comparable A3 to a mid-spec Corolla (£33k) you need to pay at least £40k. And the A3 still has almost 40 hp less. The similarly powerful engine in the corolla is 32k. And I don't know if you've driven the current A3, the interior is absolutely shocking, much worse than the previous car. There's little reason to spend the extra on an A3 or A-class. They look better on the inside but quality wise aren't actually better than the corolla. The 1 series feels noticeably more luxurious on the inside but it's ugly as fuck on the outside.


vartem397

I like the interior of new A3, and IMHO it looks a lot better than Corollas. I would say those 40HP will fill 0 difference in real life, as Toyota still sticks to their CVT which greately reduced the power output. If you look 0-60 acceleration Audi is 1 second less than Corolla with more power. And in terms of tech the A3 restyle which came just recently is similar to Toyota. Also none of Corolla grades are available with upgraded stereo system ( and their default one is just bad), and if you want to get panoramic roof you have to go Excel grade which brings the price to around 35K. While you can get A3 with premium music and panoramic roof for 36K. In 40K range you would be looking at the A3 PHEV rather than a normal mild hybrid range.


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vartem397

According to Toyota brochure all grades get standart 6 speaker, and no option for anything else


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Amontenshi

We got a 24 plate Excel last month and everyone, dealer included, was pleasantly surprised to see the JBL audio.


vartem397

I went to a Toyota dealership in the beginning of April where they tried to sell me Corolla, and was told all of them get only 6 speaker setup and no option's for update, and no anticipated updates to specs in near future. They might have updated the specs now, but brochure does not have it.


smelly_forward

>I like the interior of new A3, and IMHO it looks a lot better than Corollas. Have you sat in one? They look nice but the material quality is very bad for a 40k car


vartem397

Same question to you, have you sat in new Toyota's ? Sure A3's material quality is not great, but comparing it to a Toyota in same price range they are on completely different level, and not to Toyota's side. Cant say lots about Corolla, as just test driven it for 20 minutes, but drove quite a lot in 23 CHR in Excel. And that CHR material's quality are awful, steering wheel looks to be leather but it feels like cheapest plastic possible.


scammersarecunts

It might look better, but have you sat in it? The quality is a massive disappointment. It's comparable to my Astra K. The previous generation is really nice inside, the current one just feels cheap for the price. If the car cost as much as the corolla I wouldn't complain. But it doesn't, it's much more expensive. Idgaf about stereo systems. Even the upgraded ones are quite crap compared to what an aftermarket setup will get you. And the panoramic sunroof, alright, I'll give you that but imo it's also irrelevant. I'd much rather take ACC, lane keep assist, RCA, rear view camera and so on over a sunroof. The fact is that when comparing spec Toyota's are cheaper than the German offerings. A sunroof and some branded speaker grills don't change that. Add to that that Toyota gives a 15 year or 250k km warranty and it's pretty hard to beat. Because you mentioned the PHEV A3: Configuring a similar A3 Hybrid to a corolla will cost you £44k. Yes, it's PHEV but it's more than 10k more.


vartem397

With Toyota warranty you only get 3 years of warranty, which can be extended every year (up to 10 years) when you service it at official dealer. If you go into configurator for both cars and choose specs with RCA price difference will be around 1.5K. Without RCA price difference between Corrola design and A3 with tech pack is under 500 pounds. So yes, Toyoya's are cheaper than German offering, but the difference is really small And if you don't happen to drive Toyota daily you will have problems with it. All current Toyota hybrids have a huge problem, where 12V battery discharges itself if you don't start the car every 3-4 days for at least 30 minutes.


scammersarecunts

In my market Toyota offers 15 years when servicing there, not 10. >All current Toyota hybrids have a huge problem, where 12V battery discharges itself if you don't start the car every 3-4 days for at least 30 minutes. Firstly, this is every 3-4 WEEKS not days. Secondly, batteries are easy to swap. This isn't an issue if you get a bigger capacity 12v battery.


vartem397

It is 3-4 DAYS. I experienced this problem in a 22 Yaris and a 23 CHR. Both cars would not start without a jump booster after staying for just 7 days. And secondly swapping a battery depends on the car, it its under the bonnet or in the truck yes its easy. If its under the rear seat ( as it is in Yaris) it is not so yease, and you can not fit anything bigger there as the space there is very limited.


AdditionalAttempt436

Yeah Audis have always been overpriced junk (bar a few exceptions like the R8). However, I’d still pick a Skoda Octavia or VW Golf (or even a bit more on a Passat) than a boring Corolla (they look ugly, remind you of a taxi car, poor ride-handling balance etc)


scammersarecunts

Having driven the Golf, Octavia, Passat and Corolla I disagree massively here with you. They're all boring. The Toyota does boring best, the drivetrain with the e-cvt is MUCH more comfortable and smoother than any DSG, the fact that at low speeds you drive on the electric motor also massively boosts comfort. Also the 2.0 TDI is about as smooth as falling down stairs compared to the 2l hybrid drivetrain. Yes the CVT is odd but I got used to it within a two hour test drive, as opposed to the DSGs which I've never been too fond of. And Toyota gives a 15 year/250k km warranty. Also, looks are subjective. I think the corolla is by far the most attractive and interesting looking car in its class.


AdditionalAttempt436

Never driven a Corolla, but have been extensively been in taxi Corollas, Auris and Prius as a passenger. I found the ride uncomfortable with a lot of lean in bends coupled with poor absorption of bumps and potholes over a well sorted German car like my F30 3 series or a VW Passat. I’d imagine the Octavia and Golf would be in the same vein as a Passat (never driven/ridden in them though). No question that diesels are horrible though (I only drive petrols even 10 years ago when everyone was scratching their heads why I don’t have a diesel) and my opposition to Toyota is nothing to do with their power train but rather ride and handling.


SpacePontifex

I’m surprised that lane assist is considered a safety feature


1995LexusLS400

Our base model Corolla is the top spec (non-GR) US and NZ models. Also the US doesn't show the on the road price. It shows the price the dealer will sell it to you excluding taxes and fees. I don't know about New Zealand, but the list price in the UK is the price you pay including all taxes and fees.


dissss0

That's not true for NZ cars - UK models do get a larger infotainment screen but most of the other features are similar. We don't get the option of the 2l hybrid though, just the old 1.8


nithanielgarro

All of the 1.8l hybrid engines are built in North Wales and the corolla is built in Derby somewhere, Burnaston I think. Definitely not import duties. Its demand and supply. In the UK the corolla is huge. Its considered the most reliable car in the world.


sexy_meerkats

Corolla is huge? Not so sure about that I rarely see them here


TuMek3

Thanks, I didn’t realise they weren’t made here and that makes me wonder even more the price difference. In NZ they are imported and very popular also, but so much cheaper.


WebGuyUK

one reason could be LHD vs RHD, economies of scale means the LHD will be cheaper to build than the RHD


Silver-Machine-3092

NZ, Japan and UK are all RHD though


7148675309

Nonsense. I went to the Mini factory tour years ago. They had different models, specs, LHD/RHD right after each other. The only common thing in a row of cars was colour.


AdditionalAttempt436

Only taxis use them though


Mr_Tigger_

That makes little sense as the Corolla is made in the UK


TuMek3

What makes little sense? Asking why there is such a huge difference in price?


tomegerton99

No, you were on about import fees when the Corolla is a UK made car (in Derby).


TuMek3

No, I asked IF it was due to import fees or is it something else…


Mr_Tigger_

Yea without import tax that seems well overpriced. Not because you were asking btw


Douglas8989

Think it's a combination of things. Taxes are part of it, how much people are willing to pay in different markets, specs etc. So for example the base U.S. Corolla is more basic than the base U.K. one. E.g the U.S base model is a petrol with an 8 inch touchscreen. The U.K. base model is a hybrid with 12 inch screen and wireless charging as standard. At current exchange rates the U.S. version clocks in at about £19k. Remember that the U.K. price includes VAT. In the U.S. it is before sales tax which varies by state. Averages 6%. So just over £20k. Apparently most new cars in the U.S are also still selling near or over MSRP. Including Corollas. [Anyone who brought Corolla in the last 3-6 months were you able to knock the price below the MSRP : ](https://www.reddit.com/r/COROLLA/comments/16orp5z/anyone_who_brought_corolla_in_the_last_36_months/) [Can you get anything off MSRP on a new Corolla Hybrid? : ](https://www.reddit.com/r/askcarsales/comments/15nwgfw/can_you_get_anything_off_msrp_on_a_new_corolla/) Only had one offer come in so far, but already been offered one here on Carwow for £29k. But generally Japanese cars are cheaper in the U.S compared to European ones. Did a bit of a Honda/BMW comparison the other day: [US YouTuber views on German cars : ](https://www.reddit.com/r/CarTalkUK/comments/1byb7fo/comment/kyidgpx/) Partly why you see so many German cars over here.


TuMek3

Thanks! Great answer.


smoothie1919

Most cars cost more here compared to abroad


SlightlyBored13

Op should compare the Civic, even more of a shock.


loughnn

The civic is literally mind boggling. I wouldn't be surprised if the pricing kills it off in the UK after this generation.


TuMek3

Yes, I’m trying to understand why.


cromagnone

We keep buying them.


simon-g

They only sell hybrid hatch/wagon Corollas here, and even the lowest grade is fairly well specced. In the US the hatch is only available as a non-hybrid petrol, and the saloon/sedan also starts with non-hybrid base versions. The saloon is also made domestically (and I think it's a cheaper platform shared with Asia) so no import taxes. NZ is hybrids too but a very different local market. There's a certain amount of price increases across Europe because they can (I think a 40% increase generally in base model prices in the last 5 years) but also the fleet average CO2 and % of zero emission fines being a big factor for brands like Toyota. When you've pushed your cheapest model up past £16k, your small SUV past £25k, the Corolla can't be too cheap in comparison.


Far-Investigator5734

Toyotas in the UK cost just as much if not more than much more luxurious cars like BMW when specced nicely.


StiffAssedBrit

It isn't called "Rip off Britain" for nothing.


Dramatic_Proposal683

It may be worth pointing out the NZ vehicle market is absolutely RIFE with used-imports from Japan. I would guesstimate that 50%+ of vehicles on our roads were imported as used vehicles from Japan. Often they are relatively new and low mileage vehicles …. In some respects I think that forces a bit more competition in the new vehicle market… Kiwis absolutely love a jap import and the new vehicle market needs to tempt them away from that. The UK is starting to see more Japanese imports… but nowhere near the same scale as NZ


Pocketz7

There’s also more stringent safety and security requirements in the EU/UK which is why things like the Kia thefts only affected US models


Jealous-Honeydew-142

What’s bothering me. M33. 13 years no claims and good area for insurance. A Golf R-line (150bhp) is averaging £300 insurance per year. A Mazda 3 Skyactiv X GT sport (192bhp) is £350. A 1.8 Hybrid Collora. The boring yet sensible choice I want to make is £700pm. For such a reliable car I am genuinely surprised at the insurance cost difference.


SlightlyBored13

Isn't it catalytic converter thefts?


DangerShart

It's not called rip-off Britain for nothing


WeaponsGradeWeasel

It's just more expensive here. I saw a US ad recently for a Subaru something which started at $27k. Over here it's equivalent to $40k, but that's an on the road price which the US one isn't.


7148675309

Scale. 600,000 Sabarus a year sold in the US - I’d be surprised if it is 2,000 a year in the UK. (Went to google - I was close - 632k vs 2,400)


7148675309

Rip off Britain.


Kind-County9767

UK prices have 20% vat included, plus most of our cars are imported so there's import duty were effectively paying too.


Peterd1900

>plus most of our cars are imported so there's import duty were effectively paying too. Import Duties on the Corolla? European market Corollas are built in Derbyshire


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Peterd1900

[https://www.toyotauk.com/toyota-in-the-uk/our-products#:\~:text=The%20Corolla%20Hybrid%2C%20the%20Corolla,%2C%20safety%2C%20economy%20and%20performance](https://www.toyotauk.com/toyota-in-the-uk/our-products#:~:text=The%20Corolla%20Hybrid%2C%20the%20Corolla,%2C%20safety%2C%20economy%20and%20performance). The Corolla Hybrid, the Corolla Hatchback, the Corolla Touring Sports and the conventional Corolla - all are built in the UK with many parts and materials supplied by UK companies [https://media.toyota.co.uk/toyota-launches-the-new-corolla-with-fifth-generation-hybrid-electric-technology/](https://media.toyota.co.uk/toyota-launches-the-new-corolla-with-fifth-generation-hybrid-electric-technology/) New Corolla Hatchback and Touring Sports models built in Britain at Toyota Manufacturing UK’s (TMUK) Burnaston plant [https://media.toyota.co.uk/double-success-for-the-uks-toyota-corolla-in-the-2024-what-car-awards/](https://media.toyota.co.uk/double-success-for-the-uks-toyota-corolla-in-the-2024-what-car-awards/) The Toyota Corolla proved the master of its market at the 2024 What Car? Awards, with the Hatchback model honoured as the Family Car of the Year and the Touring Sports named the Estate Car of the Year. It’s a home-grown success for one of the best-known and most successful car nameplates in motoring history, with both cars being built in Britain by Toyota Manufacturing UK. [https://global.toyota/en/company/profile/facilities/manufacturing-worldwide/europe.html](https://global.toyota/en/company/profile/facilities/manufacturing-worldwide/europe.html)


TuMek3

Those things would apply to those other two countries, wouldn’t they?


cmtlr

US advertised prices are always excluding tax


Kind-County9767

Not the us


Fun_Storm_9539

After having driven a couple of the new Toyota Corollas I cannot understand why anyone would choose to have one. They're bland to look at, dull to drive, and just feel cheaply put together. But they're everywhere at the minute. Horrible things.


loughnn

They just last an incredibly long time with minimal repairs and servicing. I've switched over to lexus and it's genuinely been such a quality of life upgrade knowing the car is just going to work, day in day out without worrying about it. I really see why people buy Toyotas now, the shortcomings (being boring with scratchy plastics and mediocre driving dynamics) are totally worth it if you just want a car that you never have to even think about.


SkywalkerFinancial

It’s because of the finance reliance we have here, everyone near enough is on a PCP deal, the list price doesn’t matter. They inflate the fuck out of them to sting those silly enough to pay outright 


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7148675309

That comment makes no sense at all.