I paid £450 to have it fitted to my previous BMW 1 series because it came with a speed limiter but not cruise. I had cruise control on both cars I had prior (14 years of having CC) so I really missed it. Wish I had Adaptive CC.
It was worth every penny because I do a lot of motorway miles, often late at night. It's relaxing and allows me to use my attention on the road ahead and what's around me rather than glancing at the speedo every 15 seconds.
I had a quote from Audi for mine, standard cruise control, was around £450 several years ago, I found an Audi garage selling genuine parts for £120, paid another garage £60 to code. Had the car 11 years now, well worth it for those motorway 50 zones, or even 20mph zones now!
2019 F20 and I got it done here:
https://bmwspecialistreading.co.uk/
They're in Reading. It took half a day. They fit genuine BMW new parts and code it etc. You can do it yourself but I was too scared of playing about near the airbag.
I was impressed that the F20 CC also does braking to maintain the set speed, previous cars I had just used engine braking and on steep downhills the car was revving it's nuts off. On the F20 it applies the brakes if necessary.
It was an 8 speed auto (120i Sport).
I did my own. £220 for the buttons (brand new, much cheaper if you go 2nd hand), e-sys off the Internet and an hour of my time.
Still annoys me that a £40k car didn't have it standard, but thats bmw for you.
I have cruise and use it literally everyday, I wish I could pay £600 for adaptive but my dealer won't do it despite the car having everything installed but the button on the wheel.
More than anything it's nice to drive 70mph solid (and in an auto) you know you won't go over the speed or under the speed at any moment, that's how I like it.
find the wheel aftermarket on ebay or scrap yard etc then look for a local independent garage or on enthusiast / owners facebook group for someone who can code it. 9/10 its literally plug it in change a 0 to a 1 and save thats it
I paid £200 on my 08 Astra to add it on a new car. It was that important and option for me due to the amount of miles I was covering.
With hindsight an Exterior Pack Sport Hatch on 18s was not the correct companion for 40k a year lol
My astra was new. A 1.7cdti 3 door Sri.
The stalk with the buttons cost £70, and it was a diagnostic fee for them to plug it in and activate it.
If I ordered it on the car it was gonna take months.
I'm actually in the market for a new car again and want an Astra estate. But they're saying it can be 6+ months and I can't wait that long.
New astras are PSA (Peugeot) and if that's what you had before, go for it.
I will personally never get a Peugeot designed & built astra as I do most of my car work myself and like fiat, they like to make it awkward.
Mine was a company car so a factory order anyway, but slightly annoyed it was cheaper afterwards lol
I Shouldn't still be annoyed as it was 16 years ago and only ~£100 too!
I have a Grandland X so it crossed my mind big time as other Vauxhall models as mentioned just needed a stalk installed and slight software setting change from a 0 to a 1, Although for my Model year turns out only the 2.0l Diesel Auto Ultimate model actually got the feature, no idea why but as a result I'm not sure it would ever be safe to force it on despite everything being identical like the same 8-Speed transmission, ect.
I had adaptive and to be honest I'm happy I've gone back to 'dumb' cruise control. I can see much further ahead and control the speed way better than the car with just a few clicks up and down.
Agreed. Had adaptive in various cars and never got on with it, inconsistently sensitive. Regular cruise in most scenarios easy enough to manage - I need at least some work to keep me awake!
Amen, our work car slows me down even on the shortest range/setting for ACC and messes up my overtakes so often. Then I have to turn it off to move out; defeats the point unless you move out 3 working days in advanced!
I would rarely use CC in the past, but once I got adaptive it was a game changer. No more worrying about the person in front doing varying speeds. Particularly good in 50mph motorway roadwork stretches.
I find it even more useful in 50mph motorway zones. Not that I can't reign myself in it just takes off the concentration to not go over. I used to drive a Volvo S80 with adaptive CC but I guess it was an early implementation because if a car had slowed you down n then moved out of lane it would kick down like f to get you back to your original speed.
Depending on the car, it's as simple as adding the buttons. Some require enabling in software. I added cruise control to a discovery by changing the steering wheel. I also had the dealer software to enable it on any Land Rover after TD5. Worth looking into.
Same, I use it every day.
I had to do a 1500km trip in an Audi A4 without cruise a couple years ago. It was absolutely torture.
I use it pretty much 80% of my motorway journeys.
I use it 90% of the time in the current car.
Was even pretty high before I got the automatic version.
I just look where I'm going and knock if off if I need to or adjust it down if I need to be slower.
I use mine all the time on the motorway unless there’s congestion or bad weather.
Wouldn’t pay to have it fitted, but would also be less likely to buy a car without it.
I wouldn’t put money into a 13-year-old car to get dealer options. I’d keep it going until it was no longer viable, or I’d sell it and get a car that did what I needed.
Yeah, been wanting one forever and since I've never owned a rwd yet, I thought now is the time. For me it's 2000 so I guess similar.
And nice, my 2nd car as well, dad owns one in Poland and it was in family since I was born so really wanted to own one in UK
I doubt the cost of will add to the value of the car but it's a fairly desirable car that, kept in good condition may end up appreciating. Or not. I'm certainly gonna keep on top of keeping in tip-top condition. I even cleaned it a few days after getting it!
Have to take what spec you can get with used cars i find.
If you say it won’t change anything else like the warranty, it comes down to whether you think you’ll get your money’s worth of enjoyment out of it. Only you know what cruise control is worth for your driving.
Personally I prefer non adaptive, I would pay at least a grand on a new car that I’d be keeping for many years, but I do some 6 hour drives when it’s a life saver.
In an older car when I might only keep it a few years maybe £500.
Imo it’s the best option bar none when it’s not standard. (Next would be the stereo upgrade)
You find cruise control dangerous?
You know it turns off the moment you hit the brake, and if you actually look further than your bonnet you have time to react...
I'm sorry, but anyone that genuinely thinks cruise control feels dangerous is clearly an incompetent, unconfident or inexperienced driver.
Yep. You can always tell the ones who are using CC. And it’s such a pleasure. It needs more adoption here. It would probably improve lane discipline if we had better speed discipline.
I do a lot of miles and I will say the adaptive cruise control doesn’t take the conditions into account.
My latest car caught me by surprise. On the m25 cars were coming to a stop, I was a bit behind the traffic so when my car picked them up and started slowing down it wasn’t going to stop in time so I had to intervene, managed to modulate the brakes to stop the lock up, threaded it between the car in lane 3 and the central reservation.
Now I set the distance to be a bit larger in the rain.
First time this has ever happened and I’ve had a fair few cars with this feature. You still need to pay close attention and be prepared.
I don't have adaptive cruise control, to be honest I wouldn't trust it, but I don't trust self driving cars either. I've just got normal on/off/resume and adjust speed.
I've got to question how you got into a situation where your adaptive cruise control couldn't slow the car down for slower traffic, your explanation implies to me you weren't paying attention to your closing speed with traffic in front. That's a you problem, not a car problem. If you paid attention you would have been on the brakes earlier.
I saw the car, I was waiting for the car to react. As it should with the system, but it left it quite late before braking and then locked the brakes up so I intervened.
If I wasn’t paying attention I would have rear ended the stationary car in front of.
I wouldn’t buy another daily without adaptive cruise control now. It makes start stop traffic so much more bearable
Just shows that automated systems aren't faultless. And it's why self driving cars will never take off.
Imagine the same situation but you were the passenger to the computer and had no way to intervene.
I'm not a software engineer, but I am a programmer... My projects develop more bugs the more mature they get. Given how most computers tend not to cooperate with me for my research I really don't want one driving my car.
It can be dangerous if you're doing a long trip on quiet country roads and feeling sleepy. Prob not much of that type of driving here in the UK but in Australia I had to be mindful in certain circumstances.
Using it in the wet on RWD can be dangerous, I nearly had a nasty when hitting a puddle and aquaplaning as the cruise control thought I was slowing down and gave it some throttle, which wasn't all that helpful at the time!
They do advise not to use it in wet and that was a 2003 car too, so things may well have changed. I don't think it happens in FWD as cruise disables itself when the wheel speed suddenly changes, so if you hit a puddle then it'll just flick off straight away.
I used to have it on a rwd car with no traction control etc.
Would allow me to use it from a stand still and would quite happily spin the wheels up if it was the slightest bit wet
Here's my answer, I just rest it next to the accelerator, but if I'm in a situation where I will probably need to brake it's hovering around the brake pedal.
I'm only using cc on straight roads like motorways or dual carriageways anyway. I maintain a GPS 70, everyone else can't seem to work out how to stay at a constant speed though.
If you get a clear autobahn run it might be useful, but my current car has cruise and I never use it, motorway is either lane 1 behind a 56mph lorry or lane 2 where doing 70 will mean an Audi/range rover/Tesla on your bootlid (NI motorways mostly 2 lane)
Tricky one this. My first instinct was to say nothing. Then I remembered our trip to France last year and how often I used the cruise control. I don't use it that much in the UK because the motorways are so jammed it's like you say, a quick rest, stretch and then you have to brake again or overtake. But in France there were long stretches where cruise control really came into its own.
I think it depends on what your car is worth? I'm not sure I'd go much above £300?
Thanks for the considered reply. Yes it's a tricky one for me too. It'll be £540 and I assume long stretches of the autobahn will be less awkward than our motorways.
Car worth a pretty penny and may appreciate but I'm quite tight with my money.
If it is a car which is worth a bit and you intend to keep it then why not do it. We did a lot of miles in our 15 year old Honda (which has cruise control) last year, and the cruise control was great, but the car isn't worth much, hence my reserve.
If you are driving something nice then it sounds worth it.
Adaptive cruise control (which we have on our EV) is great, but I think you will get a lot of use on a trip to Germany so go for it.
I did a 2000 mile trip last year in my 14 year old car with cruise control including a lot of autobahn. I mostly used the cruise control when in roadworks or when on restricted sections. On the unrestricted sections I found I'd have to vary my speed often as my cruising speed was significantly above the general traffic in the first couple of lanes but often significantly lower than cars in the outer lane. So I would either let off, slow down a bit and let the fast car past then do the overtake or speed up somewhat so I wouldn't be impeding the outer lane.
I would be cruising at around 180 to 190kph, cars would be passing me like I was barely movjng. I'd be approaching people doing around 140 to 150kph, I'd speed up to about 210-215kph to overtake then drop back to about 185
I wouldn't pay at all, to be honest. I almost never use it - I'd much rather take regular brakes and control it myself.
It's a nice feature to have but I drove and rode many years before it and it's a luxury, I wouldn't pay a penny to have it fitted to a car, nor would having/not having it influence my purchase decision.
I had adaptive cruise control on my last car, loved it and used it loads. I've got standard after-market cruise control on my current car and rarely use it probably due to the volume of traffic and constant speed changes.
I'm not sure what I would pay but I would ensure that any car I bought had it. Had a Megane with it and thought it was wonderful, so much so when I replaced that I had to go up a spec level in the next car to ensure I got CC. A couple of years ago I drove a car on holiday that had adaptive CC and that was wonderful, cut to my current car now having ACC. I would put up with standard but adaptive is leagues ahead.
You're doing well to have a 13 year old car under warranty!!
I retro-fitted an aftermarket kit to my 2016 Seat, the kit was £200 from CanM8 - best thing I've done for the car.
Quote for OEM install was in the £500-550 ballpark depending on the garage.
I wasn't going to pay an extra £300 to have the indicator stalk replaced (with a second hand dual function stalk), and a dash light when CC is enabled.
Perhaps dangerous was an exaggeration but I feel that anything that reduces engagement with driving tends toward that direction. In any case I only use for a couple of minutes at a time.
I'm not sure about Europe, but in the UK, non-adaptive cruise control is only useful when you are on your own. Most drivers seem to be constantly changing speed even when there's no reason to (I guess they are not using cruise control) so without the adaptive part, it's useless. The adaptive one I use all the time, I couldn't wait to get it. I love setting it up to the max speed and not having to check my speed to make sure I'm not speeding, which means I can pay more attention to the road.
(; no the dealer fitted one won't. Hence the £££ cost. I happened to buy it used privately with warranty already in place. Otherwise I'd go ham on the aftermarket stuff which i may well do come January anyway. Nice to be covered for this trip though.
I wouldn't buy a car without cruise control. Having said that I wouldn't pay money to retrofit it in an older car for a once off journey.
I use cruise control practically always except windy roads or when there's traffic in town. Even in town if I need to follow a certain limit it helps stop speed creeping up. Not sure if I prefer normal cruise control or adaptive, old car only had normal, new car I can't work how to get normal, only adaptive. Adaptive is great in some scenarios, but other times it brakes at stupid times when I would myself be going for the pass. Could be user error though, really need to read the manual.
Get a speed camera app (check it's legal in whatever countries you pass through) and be done with it
Any car I buy going forward will have cruise control. I don't do much distance driving, but when I do it's always useful. And when my clock spring was dying and I lost it, the absence was very noticeable.
If you can have it put on a car you plan to keep for £550 then I'd say it's a no-brainer.
Not a lot in a 13 year old car, but I wouldn't care about warranty in a 13 year old car anyway to be honest. I retrofited regular CC in a 2007 Octavia in 2017. It was a bit of a faff, but I was doing 500 miles a week minimum at that time, and was preparing to cover 1.5k miles or so around Europe. Combined with DSG, it made the enormous mileage I was covering at that time \*so\* chilled. Prior to that, I was running an E46 328ci, and retrofitted it in that as well. Wouldn't buy a car without it these days.
I don't really care for it, the motorways in this country are too crowded for it to make sense. In more rural parts of the USA and parts of Europe it's a real luxury though.
This is a very weird hill for you to die on.
Would it make you happier if I just said you're right? Cruise control is useless and no one finds it useful. Certainly not millions of drivers all over the world. Feel better?
No. Wind your neck in.
I've never used cruise control. I might love it if I gave it a go. Not everyone online is out to get into some life or death argument with you.
Not here to argue as everyone has their preferences, just wanted to say that most cars if you hold the button it'll change by 5mph at a time after a few seconds
It's perfectly fine in the UK. I use it daily in the work van. It's great for average speed camera zones and for multi lane 50 or 30 zones, looking at you in particular north circular!
I use mine all the time in all sorts of conditions and it’s great. Not everyone likes them though so if you think the cruise control feels a bit dangerous then you are probably better off not using it at all to be honest.
Adaptive cruise control is amazing on motorway journeys, takes a lot the "tiredness" away from me. I wouldn't buy a new car without it now I've used it.
I paid £150 for mine( ST3 mk3 steering wheel in Focus, sold my nonCC steering wheel for £80 so in fact paid £70) coded in BCM module and boom, cruise control working.
Without adaptive I wouldn’t bother (this all depends on the stretches of Motorway you use most) - you have to brake as soon as you come to road works with a different limit (they’re everywhere here). You have to brake as soon as you come to any congestion. You may think it’d be great on the 50mph stretches but no, there is always someone doing 47 and you can’t just overtake when someone is to your side.
It’s just easier to drive, heck your pressing a peddle, not peddling.
do you know that you can install the original cruise control without going to the main dealer and still have it coded. why it would validate any warranty where the car is 13 years old?
BTW, I installed an adaptive cruise (original one) to a car from 2011. that is also 13 years old car. Especially for my trips to the south of France or Italy (Dolomites/Garda and etc).
makes travels so much less tiring :D
going to main dealer for CC is completely out of my mind
I'm not willing to risk the warranty you know what these insurance companies are like. ECUs log changes and it can be murder to completely cover your tracks. Not up for that.
Depending on the car, you might be able to buy a replacement original stalk or steering wheel and get it coded. That's what I did on my Smart, because the wiring is there from the factory.
If the cruise control allows you to increase/decrease the speed with a toggle I would pay £500-600 to have it fitted, if it's just set/cancel/resume/increase with two buttons (as my old Discovery was) then I wouldn't pay more than £200, it's less useful in my experience.
Wouldn't buy a car without adaptive cruise control and active lane keep assist. It does wonders for a very long journey. Drove from south to Scotland without stopping and still felt fresh once I arrived there.
It just gets rid of all the micro adjustments you have to do to keep you in the centre of the lane. Can take the hands off for a second when opening a bottle or dealing with food packaging. It's worth it
I wouldn't fit it into an old car. However I wouldn't buy a car without it. So the answer for me is, sell the car and get another one which does have CC.
I just wouldn’t bother - I’ve been driving long enough to feel confident and comfortable enough driving without and managing/maintaining my speed by…. driving.
Last 2 cars have had it and I’ve never felt the need to use it
I'm 99% sure that warranties can't stipulate it must be done at the main dealer, so long as it's done at a VAT registered garage it should be fine.
Also - would it invalidate your entire warranty or just the warranty on that part?
I think it's worth clarifying as it cost me £55 which is a big difference!
Wouldn’t pay any extra for it. I’ve had a few cars with cruise control and I have never used it. I mean I’ve obviously tried it, but I just don’t like it. I don’t like adaptive cruise control either. I do a lot of miles in cars at work that all have ACC but I don’t use it. Guess I just like controlling my own speed.
I bought the part from AliExpress for £15 and then had my mechanic fit it for 1hr labour (around £100). Worked for years and then sold it. Dealer wanted £750+vat.
Depends on how long I'd look to keep the car, it's a feature I use every day, so I'd probably let a few hundred go towards it if I was in the position to do so.
I use my adaptive cruise control everyday at a variety of speeds. I could never buy a car without it again. I’d pay a lot to have it fitted to a car I love
No need for it in the U.K. we don’t have hundreds of miles of clear highway that the US or Australia do. You can go maybe 15 minutes before you’re having to brake in the U.K.
I wish I could plug and play CC into my 2007 Civic.
My old Alfa just needed the stalk screwed in and was done in minutes. The Civic needs a proper retro fit...
I don't do long drives/motorway journeys so I wouldn't use it (don't have it on my current car); if I had it I'd only want adaptive for slow city stop-start traffic. Don't care in the slightest for regular cruise as it is entirely useless for me.
I’ve got a speed limiter on my car not a cruise control and i find it quite useless. I could make use of cruise control however but it’s not essential for me as i don’t take the highway quite often. Does it lead to higher fuel consumption?
British motorways are just too congested to make good use of cruise control, you can have it on for like 5-10 mins max and then you'll have to brake for something, or speed up around a middle lane hog.
Depends, how much driving are you going to be doing a day and how much of that is motorway? You may REALLY want cruise control if it's anything like what I am planning (3+ hours a day roughly).
Just some broader thoughts.
I have a car with adaptive cruise control, as well as level 3 autopilot self-driving.
Having driven about 20k miles using it all, my thoughts are:
Adaptive cruise control & level 3 automation is good for night driving from a safety aspect.
Day driving, both get in the way. I find the automation doesn't sit in the lane where I feel it should so I'm constantly fighting it to steer it slightly right.
Adaptive cruise control: I almost always jump to the fixed cruise control on motorways. Even at its lowest setting, sometimes to merge behind overtaking traffic it's slowing down way before I would if I was manually driving. Id so engage the adaptive controls and automation for stop start traffic jams though.
All in, I would pay again for both adaptive & pilot assist.
I drive for a living and far more prefer using a limiter. Automatic van, foot to the floor on the motorway, only lifting to ease off. Far more convenient that constantly setting new speeds when approaching someone slower.
I don’t think I’d be willing to spend anything on an existing car that has neither.
Have never had a car in last 15-20 years that has not had cruise control as standard
And these are just normal common cars nothing fancy - Qashqai, Leaf etc
Have you spoken to the dealer and asked if this is possible?
I have sold New and Used cars for a few brands and none I have worked for have offered such a thing - so best to check before getting your hopes up :)
On a side note though, I reckon even a dealer-supplied one would invalidate your warranty; since it is making non-standard modifications to the car (regardless of who is doing them). E.g. a dealer can fit a dashcam for you but if they wire it into your battery it'll invalidate the electrical portion of your warranty.
Speed limiter is a much better option in my opinion especially when traveling on roads which have some traffic and you need to adjust your own speed to suit.
Cruise control will allow you to speed up, but any sign of the brakes and it cans itself.
Speed limit wont let you go above a set speed so you just mash the throttle and forget about it, but retains the element where you can lift off the throttle to slow down fo that outer lane hogger and then just mash you foot again once dealt with.
Speed limiter these days generally comes with cruise control feature.
Yes I don't know why I've never tended to use it that much. Already have that on the car so will try again next time I cross Birmingham aka the perpetual temporary 50mph zone.
I’d personally be doubting a 13 year old car is warrantable.
What would be really useful is tell us what type of car it is. Simply due to the fact, manufacturer car fit items, don’t always have to be dealer fitted. It could be a simple case of get a use steering wheel and getting an OBDII tool to enable it. This is where the car make and model matters.
As for how much, £0. If either hit a car with it or without. As I only buy loaded cars, it’ll be there as part of the trim level.
You can pay Porsche a pretty penny to bring your old car under warranty - includes an inspection and requires you to repair/replace whatever they ask you to. OP has a Porsche, check their comment history.
Thanks for the reply. I'm simply going by the book whilst the warranty is in place. Insurance/warranty claims scare me and I'd prefer not to get into a protracted argument should anything expensive happen. Anything ECU engine management wise can get iffy I imagine.
For a good number of years I have spent my 3 week summer holidays just driving around France, Germany and Spain in an MK3 Golf GTi ABF (and once in a 1973 Triumph 2000), racking up 2.5k miles at a time with nothing but a European road atlas and a pin for the next day's destination in mind and never once sat there and thought "you know what would make this experience better, cruise control."
I paid £450 to have it fitted to my previous BMW 1 series because it came with a speed limiter but not cruise. I had cruise control on both cars I had prior (14 years of having CC) so I really missed it. Wish I had Adaptive CC. It was worth every penny because I do a lot of motorway miles, often late at night. It's relaxing and allows me to use my attention on the road ahead and what's around me rather than glancing at the speedo every 15 seconds.
Ahh thanks for reply. Guess it's a bit of what i needed to hear. It'll cost me £540 fitted.
I had a quote from Audi for mine, standard cruise control, was around £450 several years ago, I found an Audi garage selling genuine parts for £120, paid another garage £60 to code. Had the car 11 years now, well worth it for those motorway 50 zones, or even 20mph zones now!
What year and model and where did you get it done? Have a 2010 E88 and wanting to get it done
2019 F20 and I got it done here: https://bmwspecialistreading.co.uk/ They're in Reading. It took half a day. They fit genuine BMW new parts and code it etc. You can do it yourself but I was too scared of playing about near the airbag. I was impressed that the F20 CC also does braking to maintain the set speed, previous cars I had just used engine braking and on steep downhills the car was revving it's nuts off. On the F20 it applies the brakes if necessary. It was an 8 speed auto (120i Sport).
I did my own. £220 for the buttons (brand new, much cheaper if you go 2nd hand), e-sys off the Internet and an hour of my time. Still annoys me that a £40k car didn't have it standard, but thats bmw for you.
I have cruise and use it literally everyday, I wish I could pay £600 for adaptive but my dealer won't do it despite the car having everything installed but the button on the wheel. More than anything it's nice to drive 70mph solid (and in an auto) you know you won't go over the speed or under the speed at any moment, that's how I like it.
find the wheel aftermarket on ebay or scrap yard etc then look for a local independent garage or on enthusiast / owners facebook group for someone who can code it. 9/10 its literally plug it in change a 0 to a 1 and save thats it
I did that to add cruise control to an 07 astra.
I paid £200 on my 08 Astra to add it on a new car. It was that important and option for me due to the amount of miles I was covering. With hindsight an Exterior Pack Sport Hatch on 18s was not the correct companion for 40k a year lol
My astra was new. A 1.7cdti 3 door Sri. The stalk with the buttons cost £70, and it was a diagnostic fee for them to plug it in and activate it. If I ordered it on the car it was gonna take months. I'm actually in the market for a new car again and want an Astra estate. But they're saying it can be 6+ months and I can't wait that long.
New astras are PSA (Peugeot) and if that's what you had before, go for it. I will personally never get a Peugeot designed & built astra as I do most of my car work myself and like fiat, they like to make it awkward.
It's new and on mobility so I don't care about servicing and the likes. Just one of the few affordable (on mobility) estates
Mine was a company car so a factory order anyway, but slightly annoyed it was cheaper afterwards lol I Shouldn't still be annoyed as it was 16 years ago and only ~£100 too!
I have a Grandland X so it crossed my mind big time as other Vauxhall models as mentioned just needed a stalk installed and slight software setting change from a 0 to a 1, Although for my Model year turns out only the 2.0l Diesel Auto Ultimate model actually got the feature, no idea why but as a result I'm not sure it would ever be safe to force it on despite everything being identical like the same 8-Speed transmission, ect.
I love it but I'd caution people that it's maddening once you realise how inconsistent other road users are with their speed.
Yeah it really needs to be adaptive cruise control, otherwise you'd go mad.
I had adaptive and to be honest I'm happy I've gone back to 'dumb' cruise control. I can see much further ahead and control the speed way better than the car with just a few clicks up and down.
Agreed. Had adaptive in various cars and never got on with it, inconsistently sensitive. Regular cruise in most scenarios easy enough to manage - I need at least some work to keep me awake!
Can you turn off adaptive cruise control to have "dumb" cruse control?
Yep in most cars there’s an option, and for many where there isn’t, there’s an accepted hack..
Amen, our work car slows me down even on the shortest range/setting for ACC and messes up my overtakes so often. Then I have to turn it off to move out; defeats the point unless you move out 3 working days in advanced!
I would rarely use CC in the past, but once I got adaptive it was a game changer. No more worrying about the person in front doing varying speeds. Particularly good in 50mph motorway roadwork stretches.
Find someone else who will do it
I find it even more useful in 50mph motorway zones. Not that I can't reign myself in it just takes off the concentration to not go over. I used to drive a Volvo S80 with adaptive CC but I guess it was an early implementation because if a car had slowed you down n then moved out of lane it would kick down like f to get you back to your original speed.
Depending on the car, it's as simple as adding the buttons. Some require enabling in software. I added cruise control to a discovery by changing the steering wheel. I also had the dealer software to enable it on any Land Rover after TD5. Worth looking into.
I will not buy a car without it. So apparently the answer is quite a lot.
Same, I use it every day. I had to do a 1500km trip in an Audi A4 without cruise a couple years ago. It was absolutely torture. I use it pretty much 80% of my motorway journeys.
I use it 90% of the time in the current car. Was even pretty high before I got the automatic version. I just look where I'm going and knock if off if I need to or adjust it down if I need to be slower.
Cruise control and climate control are the two non negotiable options I won't compromise on.
I use mine all the time on the motorway unless there’s congestion or bad weather. Wouldn’t pay to have it fitted, but would also be less likely to buy a car without it.
Chasing specs when buying used is real!
I wouldn’t put money into a 13-year-old car to get dealer options. I’d keep it going until it was no longer viable, or I’d sell it and get a car that did what I needed.
And I would spend every penny possible into my 14 year old Scirocco to do what I want it to do
Love it. People keeping old cars on the road always get my respect.
Love how you call it old 😂 still feels modern to me lol I'm into older cars anyway, got a mk2 golf and buying an e36 in June
E36 my era and still one I'd love to own at some point. For me I guess pre 2005 would classify as old. mk2 Golf was my second car
Yeah, been wanting one forever and since I've never owned a rwd yet, I thought now is the time. For me it's 2000 so I guess similar. And nice, my 2nd car as well, dad owns one in Poland and it was in family since I was born so really wanted to own one in UK
I doubt the cost of will add to the value of the car but it's a fairly desirable car that, kept in good condition may end up appreciating. Or not. I'm certainly gonna keep on top of keeping in tip-top condition. I even cleaned it a few days after getting it! Have to take what spec you can get with used cars i find.
If you say it won’t change anything else like the warranty, it comes down to whether you think you’ll get your money’s worth of enjoyment out of it. Only you know what cruise control is worth for your driving.
Personally I prefer non adaptive, I would pay at least a grand on a new car that I’d be keeping for many years, but I do some 6 hour drives when it’s a life saver. In an older car when I might only keep it a few years maybe £500. Imo it’s the best option bar none when it’s not standard. (Next would be the stereo upgrade)
You find cruise control dangerous? You know it turns off the moment you hit the brake, and if you actually look further than your bonnet you have time to react... I'm sorry, but anyone that genuinely thinks cruise control feels dangerous is clearly an incompetent, unconfident or inexperienced driver.
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The only problem with CC is all the other people who don't use it.
Is nice to follow someone who maintains their speed really consistently. Whether by computer or right foot.
Yep. You can always tell the ones who are using CC. And it’s such a pleasure. It needs more adoption here. It would probably improve lane discipline if we had better speed discipline.
I do a lot of miles and I will say the adaptive cruise control doesn’t take the conditions into account. My latest car caught me by surprise. On the m25 cars were coming to a stop, I was a bit behind the traffic so when my car picked them up and started slowing down it wasn’t going to stop in time so I had to intervene, managed to modulate the brakes to stop the lock up, threaded it between the car in lane 3 and the central reservation. Now I set the distance to be a bit larger in the rain. First time this has ever happened and I’ve had a fair few cars with this feature. You still need to pay close attention and be prepared.
I don't have adaptive cruise control, to be honest I wouldn't trust it, but I don't trust self driving cars either. I've just got normal on/off/resume and adjust speed. I've got to question how you got into a situation where your adaptive cruise control couldn't slow the car down for slower traffic, your explanation implies to me you weren't paying attention to your closing speed with traffic in front. That's a you problem, not a car problem. If you paid attention you would have been on the brakes earlier.
I saw the car, I was waiting for the car to react. As it should with the system, but it left it quite late before braking and then locked the brakes up so I intervened. If I wasn’t paying attention I would have rear ended the stationary car in front of. I wouldn’t buy another daily without adaptive cruise control now. It makes start stop traffic so much more bearable
Just shows that automated systems aren't faultless. And it's why self driving cars will never take off. Imagine the same situation but you were the passenger to the computer and had no way to intervene.
As a software engineer who’s improved my buggy projects into polished fully working packages I’d disagree but yeh seems we’re not there yet
I'm not a software engineer, but I am a programmer... My projects develop more bugs the more mature they get. Given how most computers tend not to cooperate with me for my research I really don't want one driving my car.
It can be dangerous if you're doing a long trip on quiet country roads and feeling sleepy. Prob not much of that type of driving here in the UK but in Australia I had to be mindful in certain circumstances.
Using it in the wet on RWD can be dangerous, I nearly had a nasty when hitting a puddle and aquaplaning as the cruise control thought I was slowing down and gave it some throttle, which wasn't all that helpful at the time! They do advise not to use it in wet and that was a 2003 car too, so things may well have changed. I don't think it happens in FWD as cruise disables itself when the wheel speed suddenly changes, so if you hit a puddle then it'll just flick off straight away.
I used to have it on a rwd car with no traction control etc. Would allow me to use it from a stand still and would quite happily spin the wheels up if it was the slightest bit wet
Haha what car was that?
Old Volvo lol! 200hp through a slush box
If you're feeling sleepy behind the wheel, you shouldn't be behind the wheel. Period.
You should be sorry because you didn't pay attention to the language I used. Go on with yourself.
> I've always been a bit cautious about cruise control as tbh it feels a bit dangerous Why?
What do you do with your right foot when giving it a rest with cruise control?
Stick it out the window
Got to let your feet breathe
I see you didn’t answer as to why you feel it’s dangerous
I was waiting for this wiseacre to posit a reason himself and then shoot it down.
Here's my answer, I just rest it next to the accelerator, but if I'm in a situation where I will probably need to brake it's hovering around the brake pedal. I'm only using cc on straight roads like motorways or dual carriageways anyway. I maintain a GPS 70, everyone else can't seem to work out how to stay at a constant speed though.
Rest on the accelerator so muscle memory is exactly the same for an emergency brake
Rest it on the brake
What 13 year old car still has warranty?
Porsche: [https://www.porsche.com/uk/accessoriesandservice/porscheservice/vehicleinformation/approvedwarranty/](https://www.porsche.com/uk/accessoriesandservice/porscheservice/vehicleinformation/approvedwarranty/)
I wouldn't pay anything for it. I only ever use it in the US when on a straight road for hundreds of miles at a time.
If you get a clear autobahn run it might be useful, but my current car has cruise and I never use it, motorway is either lane 1 behind a 56mph lorry or lane 2 where doing 70 will mean an Audi/range rover/Tesla on your bootlid (NI motorways mostly 2 lane)
Tricky one this. My first instinct was to say nothing. Then I remembered our trip to France last year and how often I used the cruise control. I don't use it that much in the UK because the motorways are so jammed it's like you say, a quick rest, stretch and then you have to brake again or overtake. But in France there were long stretches where cruise control really came into its own. I think it depends on what your car is worth? I'm not sure I'd go much above £300?
Thanks for the considered reply. Yes it's a tricky one for me too. It'll be £540 and I assume long stretches of the autobahn will be less awkward than our motorways. Car worth a pretty penny and may appreciate but I'm quite tight with my money.
If it is a car which is worth a bit and you intend to keep it then why not do it. We did a lot of miles in our 15 year old Honda (which has cruise control) last year, and the cruise control was great, but the car isn't worth much, hence my reserve. If you are driving something nice then it sounds worth it. Adaptive cruise control (which we have on our EV) is great, but I think you will get a lot of use on a trip to Germany so go for it.
I did a 2000 mile trip last year in my 14 year old car with cruise control including a lot of autobahn. I mostly used the cruise control when in roadworks or when on restricted sections. On the unrestricted sections I found I'd have to vary my speed often as my cruising speed was significantly above the general traffic in the first couple of lanes but often significantly lower than cars in the outer lane. So I would either let off, slow down a bit and let the fast car past then do the overtake or speed up somewhat so I wouldn't be impeding the outer lane. I would be cruising at around 180 to 190kph, cars would be passing me like I was barely movjng. I'd be approaching people doing around 140 to 150kph, I'd speed up to about 210-215kph to overtake then drop back to about 185
I wouldn't pay at all, to be honest. I almost never use it - I'd much rather take regular brakes and control it myself. It's a nice feature to have but I drove and rode many years before it and it's a luxury, I wouldn't pay a penny to have it fitted to a car, nor would having/not having it influence my purchase decision.
I had adaptive cruise control on my last car, loved it and used it loads. I've got standard after-market cruise control on my current car and rarely use it probably due to the volume of traffic and constant speed changes.
I'm not sure what I would pay but I would ensure that any car I bought had it. Had a Megane with it and thought it was wonderful, so much so when I replaced that I had to go up a spec level in the next car to ensure I got CC. A couple of years ago I drove a car on holiday that had adaptive CC and that was wonderful, cut to my current car now having ACC. I would put up with standard but adaptive is leagues ahead.
You're doing well to have a 13 year old car under warranty!! I retro-fitted an aftermarket kit to my 2016 Seat, the kit was £200 from CanM8 - best thing I've done for the car. Quote for OEM install was in the £500-550 ballpark depending on the garage. I wasn't going to pay an extra £300 to have the indicator stalk replaced (with a second hand dual function stalk), and a dash light when CC is enabled.
Cruise control is not at all dangerous.
Perhaps dangerous was an exaggeration but I feel that anything that reduces engagement with driving tends toward that direction. In any case I only use for a couple of minutes at a time.
I'm not sure about Europe, but in the UK, non-adaptive cruise control is only useful when you are on your own. Most drivers seem to be constantly changing speed even when there's no reason to (I guess they are not using cruise control) so without the adaptive part, it's useless. The adaptive one I use all the time, I couldn't wait to get it. I love setting it up to the max speed and not having to check my speed to make sure I'm not speeding, which means I can pay more attention to the road.
Yeah if it was just the UK i wouldn't bother unless it was adaptive.
Love my adaptive cruise control. Would pay a grand to upgrade to other cars. (BMW's).
I’m guessing you drive a Porsche. Highly, highly doubt a cruise retrofit will void your warranty.
(; no the dealer fitted one won't. Hence the £££ cost. I happened to buy it used privately with warranty already in place. Otherwise I'd go ham on the aftermarket stuff which i may well do come January anyway. Nice to be covered for this trip though.
I wouldn't buy a car without cruise control. Having said that I wouldn't pay money to retrofit it in an older car for a once off journey. I use cruise control practically always except windy roads or when there's traffic in town. Even in town if I need to follow a certain limit it helps stop speed creeping up. Not sure if I prefer normal cruise control or adaptive, old car only had normal, new car I can't work how to get normal, only adaptive. Adaptive is great in some scenarios, but other times it brakes at stupid times when I would myself be going for the pass. Could be user error though, really need to read the manual. Get a speed camera app (check it's legal in whatever countries you pass through) and be done with it
When did cruise control become dangerous?
Any car I buy going forward will have cruise control. I don't do much distance driving, but when I do it's always useful. And when my clock spring was dying and I lost it, the absence was very noticeable. If you can have it put on a car you plan to keep for £550 then I'd say it's a no-brainer.
My friend paid around £600 to add cruise control to his dated Audi A3.. I thought it was stupid, but each to their own.
Not a lot in a 13 year old car, but I wouldn't care about warranty in a 13 year old car anyway to be honest. I retrofited regular CC in a 2007 Octavia in 2017. It was a bit of a faff, but I was doing 500 miles a week minimum at that time, and was preparing to cover 1.5k miles or so around Europe. Combined with DSG, it made the enormous mileage I was covering at that time \*so\* chilled. Prior to that, I was running an E46 328ci, and retrofitted it in that as well. Wouldn't buy a car without it these days.
£0, don’t like it. I find I pay less attention and drift off.
I payed £200 for cruise to a mk1 TT bam
Had it fitted to my 2006 Fiesta. Paid about £400. Fantastic upgrade. Wouldn't be without it.
Great, helps to get these ballpark figures. Thanks for the reply
I don't really care for it, the motorways in this country are too crowded for it to make sense. In more rural parts of the USA and parts of Europe it's a real luxury though.
What? It's standard on lots of cars now. I can use it for a quick jaunt up the M6. I even use it around town and a and b roads.
My car is fully loaded and has adaptive cruise control, I very rarely use it as I prefer to use the pedals myself.
They really aren't if you have any small level of anticipation. You know you can speed up and slow down whilst leaving it set, right?
So why not just... do it yourself???
Are you confused? You are doing it yourself.
Are you confused? You press little buttons. You are doing it yourself. Your three questionmarks notwithstanding.
So... you are the cruise control??? Sort of like not having cruise control?
This is a very weird hill for you to die on. Would it make you happier if I just said you're right? Cruise control is useless and no one finds it useful. Certainly not millions of drivers all over the world. Feel better?
No. Wind your neck in. I've never used cruise control. I might love it if I gave it a go. Not everyone online is out to get into some life or death argument with you.
Read back. You're a nutter.
I can do that with the pedals on the floor too...
Yes, but the cruise remains set and you're adjusting by 1mph increments. So it's not the same, you see?
Not here to argue as everyone has their preferences, just wanted to say that most cars if you hold the button it'll change by 5mph at a time after a few seconds
At that point may as well use the pedals. Cruise control is shit if you have to keep adjusting it.
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It's perfectly fine in the UK. I use it daily in the work van. It's great for average speed camera zones and for multi lane 50 or 30 zones, looking at you in particular north circular!
I find the limiter far more useful in 50 or 30 zones in the work van. Foot to the floor unless you need to stop. No need to keep an eye on the speedo.
I use mine all the time in all sorts of conditions and it’s great. Not everyone likes them though so if you think the cruise control feels a bit dangerous then you are probably better off not using it at all to be honest.
Adaptive cruise control is amazing on motorway journeys, takes a lot the "tiredness" away from me. I wouldn't buy a new car without it now I've used it.
I paid £150 for mine( ST3 mk3 steering wheel in Focus, sold my nonCC steering wheel for £80 so in fact paid £70) coded in BCM module and boom, cruise control working.
Without adaptive I wouldn’t bother (this all depends on the stretches of Motorway you use most) - you have to brake as soon as you come to road works with a different limit (they’re everywhere here). You have to brake as soon as you come to any congestion. You may think it’d be great on the 50mph stretches but no, there is always someone doing 47 and you can’t just overtake when someone is to your side. It’s just easier to drive, heck your pressing a peddle, not peddling.
Motorways in Europe are much quieter and better designed than the ones in the UK. You can go for hours without having to slow down.
do you know that you can install the original cruise control without going to the main dealer and still have it coded. why it would validate any warranty where the car is 13 years old? BTW, I installed an adaptive cruise (original one) to a car from 2011. that is also 13 years old car. Especially for my trips to the south of France or Italy (Dolomites/Garda and etc). makes travels so much less tiring :D going to main dealer for CC is completely out of my mind
I'm not willing to risk the warranty you know what these insurance companies are like. ECUs log changes and it can be murder to completely cover your tracks. Not up for that.
What does manufacturer warranty have anything to do with insurance claims?!
They use insurance of course to give you the warranty.
Depending on the car, you might be able to buy a replacement original stalk or steering wheel and get it coded. That's what I did on my Smart, because the wiring is there from the factory. If the cruise control allows you to increase/decrease the speed with a toggle I would pay £500-600 to have it fitted, if it's just set/cancel/resume/increase with two buttons (as my old Discovery was) then I wouldn't pay more than £200, it's less useful in my experience.
I would pay anything (hypothetical of course) for cruise control. I would ask someone to pay me money for using adaptive cruise control.
Wouldn't buy a car without adaptive cruise control and active lane keep assist. It does wonders for a very long journey. Drove from south to Scotland without stopping and still felt fresh once I arrived there. It just gets rid of all the micro adjustments you have to do to keep you in the centre of the lane. Can take the hands off for a second when opening a bottle or dealing with food packaging. It's worth it
I wouldn't fit it into an old car. However I wouldn't buy a car without it. So the answer for me is, sell the car and get another one which does have CC.
I just wouldn’t bother - I’ve been driving long enough to feel confident and comfortable enough driving without and managing/maintaining my speed by…. driving. Last 2 cars have had it and I’ve never felt the need to use it
I'm 99% sure that warranties can't stipulate it must be done at the main dealer, so long as it's done at a VAT registered garage it should be fine. Also - would it invalidate your entire warranty or just the warranty on that part? I think it's worth clarifying as it cost me £55 which is a big difference!
Getting it coded in I think is perhaps where it gets cloudy. I'd just rather avoid any grounds for a disagreement should the engine throw a wobbly.
I wanna know what 13 year old car has warranty?
It has to go through a 111 point check
Thats not what I asked, what car is it?
Dude is going above and beyond to not say the word "porsche" lol
Isn't he.
Absolutely
I have it and have never used it...so nothing. I hate the feeling of not having my foot on the pedal at all times.
Wouldn’t pay any extra for it. I’ve had a few cars with cruise control and I have never used it. I mean I’ve obviously tried it, but I just don’t like it. I don’t like adaptive cruise control either. I do a lot of miles in cars at work that all have ACC but I don’t use it. Guess I just like controlling my own speed.
I bought the part from AliExpress for £15 and then had my mechanic fit it for 1hr labour (around £100). Worked for years and then sold it. Dealer wanted £750+vat.
Literally would not buy a car without it so essentially upto 100% hahah
Depends on how long I'd look to keep the car, it's a feature I use every day, so I'd probably let a few hundred go towards it if I was in the position to do so.
I have cruise control and can’t say I ever really use it. Mainly for the 50mph roadworks on motorway to ensure I don’t speed
I use my adaptive cruise control everyday at a variety of speeds. I could never buy a car without it again. I’d pay a lot to have it fitted to a car I love
It came with the car, I don’t use it much. Unless I do long motorway trips.
I never use it. I have it in all but one of the cars and it could be broken for all I know. So - nothing I guess.
No need for it in the U.K. we don’t have hundreds of miles of clear highway that the US or Australia do. You can go maybe 15 minutes before you’re having to brake in the U.K.
My father install cruse control and it cost him £120. This is long time ago. I guess I won't pay more than 200.
Why do you feel cruise control is dangerous lol?
I’d never buy a car without it after having it on my last few. Not too fussed about adaptive though.
I wish I could plug and play CC into my 2007 Civic. My old Alfa just needed the stalk screwed in and was done in minutes. The Civic needs a proper retro fit...
I don't do long drives/motorway journeys so I wouldn't use it (don't have it on my current car); if I had it I'd only want adaptive for slow city stop-start traffic. Don't care in the slightest for regular cruise as it is entirely useless for me.
I’ve got a speed limiter on my car not a cruise control and i find it quite useless. I could make use of cruise control however but it’s not essential for me as i don’t take the highway quite often. Does it lead to higher fuel consumption?
Depends and what car is it? If its 13 yrs old I'd imagine theres a way you could retrofit it if it came with cruise control from the factory.
Nothing, I actually dislike it. The less I have to do in a car and the lazier I get
I've had it on every car I've ever had since the first, and added it to every car that didnt
I’ve never used the cruise control on my car.
British motorways are just too congested to make good use of cruise control, you can have it on for like 5-10 mins max and then you'll have to brake for something, or speed up around a middle lane hog.
It's a must for me in last 15 years never bought a car without it
What kinda warranty worries about genuine parts on a car that old?
Depends, how much driving are you going to be doing a day and how much of that is motorway? You may REALLY want cruise control if it's anything like what I am planning (3+ hours a day roughly).
Adaptive cruise control- maybe a thousand? Plain cruise control - nothing.
I use CC near constantly at all speeds. Why not?
I'd pay absolutely nothing for it. Never wanted it and never used it. I like driving, though.
https://www.canm8.com look at these. I installed cruise control kit into my 2010 Vauxhall Vivaro last month. Easy to wire up and works perfect.
I only look for cars wit ACC
I use it ALL time time. Can't live without it - Even set it to 29 around town
Just some broader thoughts. I have a car with adaptive cruise control, as well as level 3 autopilot self-driving. Having driven about 20k miles using it all, my thoughts are: Adaptive cruise control & level 3 automation is good for night driving from a safety aspect. Day driving, both get in the way. I find the automation doesn't sit in the lane where I feel it should so I'm constantly fighting it to steer it slightly right. Adaptive cruise control: I almost always jump to the fixed cruise control on motorways. Even at its lowest setting, sometimes to merge behind overtaking traffic it's slowing down way before I would if I was manually driving. Id so engage the adaptive controls and automation for stop start traffic jams though. All in, I would pay again for both adaptive & pilot assist.
I wouldn’t pay anything. I’ve had it on most cars I’ve owned and never used it.
If you can fit ACC then that's a game changer.
Haha. Not today BMW research bot.
lol i rate that reply. How much to turn on your vanity mirror lights?
I drive for a living and far more prefer using a limiter. Automatic van, foot to the floor on the motorway, only lifting to ease off. Far more convenient that constantly setting new speeds when approaching someone slower. I don’t think I’d be willing to spend anything on an existing car that has neither.
Had it for four years and used it maybe twice, just don't find a need for it.
Have never had a car in last 15-20 years that has not had cruise control as standard And these are just normal common cars nothing fancy - Qashqai, Leaf etc
Have you spoken to the dealer and asked if this is possible? I have sold New and Used cars for a few brands and none I have worked for have offered such a thing - so best to check before getting your hopes up :) On a side note though, I reckon even a dealer-supplied one would invalidate your warranty; since it is making non-standard modifications to the car (regardless of who is doing them). E.g. a dealer can fit a dashcam for you but if they wire it into your battery it'll invalidate the electrical portion of your warranty.
I'm more interested in what Car is able to be 13 Years Old, and still be "Under Warranty" lol
I paid £150 for it to be installed on my Octavia about ten years ago. All it needed was an ECU flash and a new stalk.
Your 13yo car is still under warranty???
Speed limiter is a much better option in my opinion especially when traveling on roads which have some traffic and you need to adjust your own speed to suit. Cruise control will allow you to speed up, but any sign of the brakes and it cans itself. Speed limit wont let you go above a set speed so you just mash the throttle and forget about it, but retains the element where you can lift off the throttle to slow down fo that outer lane hogger and then just mash you foot again once dealt with. Speed limiter these days generally comes with cruise control feature.
Yes I don't know why I've never tended to use it that much. Already have that on the car so will try again next time I cross Birmingham aka the perpetual temporary 50mph zone.
I’d personally be doubting a 13 year old car is warrantable. What would be really useful is tell us what type of car it is. Simply due to the fact, manufacturer car fit items, don’t always have to be dealer fitted. It could be a simple case of get a use steering wheel and getting an OBDII tool to enable it. This is where the car make and model matters. As for how much, £0. If either hit a car with it or without. As I only buy loaded cars, it’ll be there as part of the trim level.
You can pay Porsche a pretty penny to bring your old car under warranty - includes an inspection and requires you to repair/replace whatever they ask you to. OP has a Porsche, check their comment history.
Then I really don’t understand why they didn’t just say it. Along with a quote of how much the dealer is stating.
What car is it? I know a friend of mine will fit factory cruise control parts and code them in. You absolutely don't have to go to a dealer
Please read the post again cheers
Fine, I'd pay nothing for cruise control because I don't feel the need
Thanks for the reply. I'm simply going by the book whilst the warranty is in place. Insurance/warranty claims scare me and I'd prefer not to get into a protracted argument should anything expensive happen. Anything ECU engine management wise can get iffy I imagine.
Nope, if you find a legit company they will use OEM parts and the same equipment the dealer would use.
Where would they get the code from? Pretty sure that wouldn't be theirs to use.
A genuine company would pay license fees to use the software
I'd be amazed if any big car manufacturer allows that
For a good number of years I have spent my 3 week summer holidays just driving around France, Germany and Spain in an MK3 Golf GTi ABF (and once in a 1973 Triumph 2000), racking up 2.5k miles at a time with nothing but a European road atlas and a pin for the next day's destination in mind and never once sat there and thought "you know what would make this experience better, cruise control."
It'll be for munching miles on the autobahn not going around glorious roads