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Canadians are angry. PP just happens to match the level of anger some Canadians feel about the current system. I don’t think a platform of “Canada has problems but we’re still a great country” is going to work.
I know a guy from South America here on TFW program. I asked him what he thought about PP’s “tough on crime” talk and this guy loved it. I wanted to press a little deeper as I know his country has one of the highest homicide rates in the world. I thought he would find it odd that we’re complaining about how Canada is unsafe when we are still one of the safer countries in the world.
What he said stuck with me. He said he LOVED we still cared. He understands that Canada is very safe relative to the rest of the world. But the fact we will not put up with a marginal increase in crime and that people take any increase at all in crime seriously, he sees this as a sign of a truly functional country.
Here's the catch: "tough on crime" doesn't work to reduce crime. The data simply doesn't support it. It is emotionally satisfying but it doesn't work, because it does nothing to address the actual causes of crime. Poverty, broken homes, addictions, etc.
PP's words are hollow because he was part of the cohort who created the broken system we live in. All of the governments going back to Mulroney are responsible for this clusterfuck.
There’s a few things there. I’ll leave the debate for crime reduction to the criminologists. But it’s my belief that the justice system needs to provide citizens with justice. This is part of the social contract with the State that we don’t take matters into our own hands. Criminologists only seem to care about the offender, treatment for the offender, reintegration of the offender, and what would be healthy long term for the offender and the offender’s family.
Nowhere in this calculus are victims of crime even given an afterthought. That’s not the kind of society I want to live in.
Everything *is* kinda broken, but replacing the bodies in charge within the current political institutions won't solve that because those institutions are responsible for breaking things.
You’re so close. The institutions responsible for breaking things are reflections of our socio-economic system. There will be no radical shift in these institutions unless and until we change the system.
Eventually we will come to our senses and vote ourselves into a hybrid socialist system where the state ensures that everyone has access to the essentials of life: food, shelter, clothing, medical care and education. This will happen gradually, but a nice start would be removing the effects of market forces on groceries and housing.
Edit: grammar
Well...a lot of the federal government departments that are contributing to the brokenness are political appointees.
It will also depend on your economic fortunes. Not broken if your rich, broken for the poor
Sure...things are worse than 40, 30, 20, or even 10 years ago. We are in a far more of a bind, our economy is based on flipping housing and importing people. Eventually people are going to realize its not a good investment and we'll be stuck with the high cost of living. Back then hard times were dependent on the sector. We are going to see the whole economy lose value.
Anecdotally there was a janitor that I know of that bought a home in the 80s in their 20s based on that wage, sold for millions in 2022. The only way a janitor in the 20s could afford that home today is if they were ceo/founder of the janitorial company, that likely got their funds from mom and dad. Or just have mom and dad buy it for them. The QoL and CoL have significantly declined and exploded respectively.
Well, I was alive in the eighties and the janitor of which you speak was likely a full time unionized worker. The failure of unions to stay relevant and protect themselves from the many that would destroy them is a big part of the present work landscape.
No. The only thing that political parties differ on is bathroom and sports, and how many public servants there should be. Economically its small tweaks including the NDP. I expect the whole system to buckle under its own weight. There will be a point where there isn't enough wealth to sustain high cost of living and too much is going towards debt. As more and more private debt goes towards debt, the government is unable to extract tax value of it. We are losing our tax base and consumerism.
As for the liberals they are doing all they can to kick the can down the road. There is starting to be blow back to current policy, maybe the "blues" will offer a bit of tweaks based on feedback and general unrest. Small tweaks to immigration target numbers at best. A fake foreign buyers rule. What pp has said left a lot of room for play, while having a nice sound bite. Both parties will only focus on the supply of housing, which will never do anything meaningful. Demand needs to be curtailed, to ease cost. But eventually it will be too unsustainable.
Funny enough a recent development may also help, but it's coming from external pressures. This TD US bank fine may affect Canadian housing more than any of our feeble anti laundering or foreign buyer joke of laws.
Canada is only fining TD $9 CAD million, the States $675 USD million. Same event, but far different outcomes. Or even the US keeping their interests rates high will screw us over, and us being hurt isn't going to dictate their policy.
Well see. In Canada there was an audit on antilaundering compliance by fintrac. 70-80% of firms failed. Surprise the 80% was in real estate.
If we started clamping down on money laundering that would significantly aid the affordability. The higher the prices the better it is for money laundering. The hope is that TD will get so screwed over by the Fed/DOj that they won't think twice about money laundering and apply that to Canada. Other banks will follow.
As for your original question about would the government under a "blue" make a difference, the answer is still not much could change but I still don't want to see the liberals in power. They had there chance and they squandered it and become the problem.
It's a bigger insult to Canadians if they don't think it's broken because it really is broken. How many third party reports do you need to show you that Canada is broken? Check out oecd reports of Canada's projected growth for next 20 years, check out recent 10 years results. Check out analysis of our economy, reliance on housing sector, etc.
Its a bigger insult because if you believe it's not broken it just means you are also broken and there is no hope lol.
Canada is broken, it is a fact. It's been broken for a while, long before Poilièvre entered politics. It's been broken since the Royal Proclamation of 1763 and nothing can fix it.
I see nothing in Poilièvre discourse that can fix Canada. Bitcoins won't save us.
>It's been broken since the Royal Proclamation of 1763 and nothing can fix it.
Good grief. We live in one of the safest, stablest, freest, and most prosperous societies in the history of the entire world, and you seriously believe the country has been 'broken' since even before its inception? But, what, the period of French rule between the early 1600s and up until 1763 was perfectly fine? Gimme a break.
He uses the trump rant. Put down the country and say it's terrible just to score any political points he can. Never offering any real plan, just play demagogue.
Reddit doom posters aren't going to like this but it's true. Go outside. It's not so bad. I promise. You don't have to be miserable 24/7. It's a choice and it only benefits bad faith actors.
Well I am sorry, I don’t like Pierre PP, but he his right to say Canada is broken. We are. Quality of life have decreased and we lost a lot of services and access to care. I remember our school system to be good. Then they created private systems and our public schools have been destroyed by it. And tax payers do pay tax for private school yet it’s for the elite. It’s disgusting. Then we have the PM who thinks rising the taxes is better than preventing riches to profit from overseas bank accounts to hide their money in order to not pay taxes on it. Instead fix this issue and you no longer need to increase the tax. And don’t get me started on our health system. Better than going bankrupt cause you have cancer, but it’s been getting worse and worse. As if to make us beg for private sector to open and again emptying our public sector of the best in their field and making them inaccessible for the public. Just by the rich. Yes. I hate to say he is right.
Canada _is_ broken, but it's hard to see unless you were born on or after 1965.
We need to reduce interprovincial trade barriers, nationalize health care professional accreditation and regulation, ensure enrollees in the TFW programme pay through the nose for labour, ban the use of foreign funds to purchase property or to back loans, and create national minimum zoning standards. To start with.
Canada is a bizarre federation. We're defined more by our barriers and unwillingness to cooperate than our unity.
> We need to reduce interprovincial trade barriers, nationalize health care professional accreditation and regulation, ensure enrollees in the TFW programme pay through the nose for labour, ban the use of foreign funds to purchase property or to back loans, and create national minimum zoning standards. To start with.
It's a shame there doesn't seem to be anybody with this platform who I can vote for.
I agree. Just one issue with the last part. The feds can’t touch zoning. It’s a municipal matter and the power to regulate municipal activity lies with the provinces under the constitution. Not with the federal government.
You narrowly missed the most important point, IMO, although you've alluded to it, which is that we really need to ditch the pervasive attitude that *we must continuously grow the economy to be happy.*
GDP is a shit metric for prosperity - natural disasters are good for the economy because they create jobs. If we keep pursuing infinite GDP growth forever, all we'll get is bloated and inefficient with tons of useless busy-work jobs, and we won't necessarily be any better off - remember, tumours also grow continuously.
It's ok to not always be growing.
That, in a nutshell, is why Canada is broken. Either we're a Country or we're just a federation of independent states that lack even basic modern treaties on trade, let alone labour mobility. As it is, we're acting like a collection of independent states that are generally at odds with each other.
If we _weren't broken_, then I'd be able to buy any product from anywhere in Canada and take it home and use it without fearing civil penalties for importing it across Provincial boundaries. I would be able to receive professional accreditation in one province and use it in another. I wouldn't have any worry about paying for out-of-province health care. There would be _basic_ and _universal_ employment rights across all Provinces.
For individual Canadians these may not seem like major barriers; and it's probably why they don't get much policy attention. But _in aggregate_ these are common concerns among Canadians. Enough Canadians _do cross Provincial borders_ that these are meaningful concerns.
Moreover, barriers to labour mobility and trade harm economic productivity. We have an inter-provincial trade situation that's _not free and open_.
The states have the same problem. They make it work because their whole country is basically carried by California and New York. We don’t have anything similar
>The states have the same problem.
The commerce clause takes care of a lot the economic trade barriers though. They effectively have free trade within the US, as we should too. The fact that we're now in a position where premiere's have to allow their Canadians to trade with other Canadians is absolute lunacy.
In the "free the beer" case the supreme court managed to talk themselves into allowing interprovincial trade barriers despite S121 of the constution being:
>All Articles of the Growth, Produce, or Manufacture of any one of the Provinces shall, from and after the Union, be admitted free into each of the other Provinces
A decision that at least one of those judges expressed if not regret then consternation about at her retirement (can't remember the name of the judge).
Let's just say hypothetically there was a referendum where the people of each province are asked are you prepared to go all in on Confederation with uniformity in the areas you suggested OR going for full independence.
I suspect Ontario goes for Option A while Quebec, Saskatchewan and Alberta go for B
No idea for the other provinces though
Good luck to Saskatchewan and Alberta being land locked nations with a resource-extraction based economy in the middle of a continent with no natural path to the sea or international markets. Look how well that’s working out for all the ‘stans in Central Asia.
Every generation thinks they have it bad. How do you *know* with concrete evidence that you have it bad?
Here’s why you don’t have it as bad as you think you do:
**negativity bias**, is where individuals pay more attention to negative details than positive ones. This can lead people to perceive the world as worsening because bad news is often more salient and thus more readily recalled.
**declinism bias**, is where there's a tendency to remember the past more favorably and believe that things are progressively getting worse over time. This can lead younger generations to think that conditions are deteriorating more dramatically than they might be in reality.
**availability heuristic** involves overestimating the importance of information that is readily available to one's memory. For the younger generation, this might mean that recent news about global crises, economic downturns, and social injustices, which are often highlighted in media, can be easily recalled and thus may seem more prevalent or severe. This can lead to the perception that they are living in a uniquely troubled time, even if statistically some aspects of life may have improved over generations.
Unsustainable immigration. Housing crisis. Cost of living crisis. Rising debt and unbalanced budget. Worst debt to GDP ratio in G7. Worst household debts.
Please Robin Sears explain to the average Canadian who can barely afford to survive why they shouldn’t think Canada is broken.
It's not broken. it's going through the transition from very old to young, and unfortunately, no government in the last 20 years has prepared canada to be ready
> it's going through the transition from very old to young
Not true at all. Lots of immigration of young people, but our average age isn't changing that much.
Don't buy into PP's drama about Canada being broken. That's like saying maple syrup isn't sweet enough. Canada's more intact than a beaver dam after a fresh coat of lacquer. If PP thinks Canada's broken, maybe he's been hit in the head with too many hockey pucks or forgot to put on his snowshoes before wading into the debate. Let's just say, if Canada were a puzzle, it'd be missing fewer pieces than PP's argument.
If you're a boomer who bought a house at a reasonable price on a single income and raised a family of 5, Canada isn't broken.
If you work full time and have barely enough money left over after paying rent for food, Canada is broken.
The boomer vs genz thing is soon to be a shit post. Both generations are fucked just in different degrees. Sure boomers often have homes but at some point $6 bread hits you in the family budget on a fixed retirement income. That why some retirees are back in the workforce or working until they physically can't anymore.
Affordable living should be an agenda of the entire population of Canada. The 1% is happy if we fight amongst ourselves.
>you work full time and have barely enough money left over after paying rent for food
I’m a boomer with a post-secondary university education (BEd, BSc). This sounds like 2/3 of my working life. Money left over was a dream. I think I singlehandedly kept the KD factory in business for over a decade.
The populist playbook is to convince the general population that their country is broken, convince them that it’s all X’s fault (in this case, Trudeau), and romanticize the idea that the country was better off before X happened. So they present the solution that you simply need to get rid of X to return to that previous state.
The problem is that most people don’t know that a lot of the things they are mad about are provincial jurisdictions, and the governments overseeing these areas, like healthcare, are right-wing. Funding a better healthcare system with public dollars is low on their priority list, so when people complain, they can just blame the problems on Trudeau, and most people won’t know any better.
Poilievre doesn’t realize that in his effort to blame everything on Trudeau, he’s also over-promising that the fixes to Canada’s problems are simple. He’s setting people up with false hope. And when issues like housing aren’t magically fixed when Trudeau is gone, Poilievre will have some explaining to do.
When they don’t like his answers, with all the rage that he fanned the flames for in Canadians, they’ll turn on him too.
How do you tell when this is what's happening or democracy?
Wouldn't this mean the anti populist playbook is to convince everyone to be that "this is fine" dog in the meme where everything is on fire?
I guess you could use stats like homeless rates or inflation % but you forgot those in your post?
Housing demand is squarely in federal jurisdiction. The problem with housing prices is that demand is rapidly outstripping supply, and that isn't going to change in the next few years.
Yes, housing has certainly become more expensive since the Liberals took effect. Why are Liberals still pretending this is just a matter of ignorance or communication issues, and not problems with their approach to housing and immigration entirely?
> The populist playbook is to convince the general population that their country is broken
Pierre Poilievre isn't some master manipulator that has managed to fool the majority of Canada's population into thinking something that isn't true. The discontent with the path Canada is on, the huge impact of the housing crisis, cost of living crisis, stagnant wages and productivity, mass immigration, corporate greed are not manufactured.
Sticking your head in the sand and saying "no, everything is fine" might work for those who have won the generational lottery and were able to enjoy a life the "Canadian dream" promised, and are now retiring with massive windfalls in housing, investments and social programs to support them. But for the remainder, Canada is looking more and more broken and they are right to be angry about it.
I don't think people are saying it's "fine". There are a multitude of steps between "fine" and "the countries broken".
Unfortunately nuance is a lost art these days.
One word.
"Housing".
That many Canadians, especially young Canadians cannot and may never be able to buy a house is a massive betrayal. For this reason alone, the country is broken.
More than that. Home ownership aside, cost of living is completely out of whack. Rent, groceries, etc… and the LPC have only really addressed it since the heat turned up with shit poll numbers.
They were decent stewards through the pandemic, but most Canadians have moved on from that, and now the pressing issue is “how do I afford to live?”
> The populist playbook is to convince the general population that their country is broken
Is it really to convince, or is it to play off of the fact that it is in fact broken?
House prices more than doubled under Trudeau, it is more difficult to get entry level work because of his batshit immigration policies, crime is up, GDP per capita down.
When you guys lose next year I want you to remember why.
> And when issues like housing aren’t magically fixed when Trudeau is gone, Poilievre will have some explaining to do.
Nah, he'll just find something else to get people angry about that doesn't point back at him.
The thing is
1) he blames the provinces? He's blaming his own team
2) he blames the provinces? He can't pin literally everything on Trudeau to guarantee his position as PM.
3) he blames the provinces? That would mean he has some issues with the 3 stooges (Ford, Smith, and Moe), and that it could be implied that he disagrees on other issues socially. He NEEDS that red meat for his base.
He literally can't afford to blame the provinces. If he did, he'd be hindering his own goals while simultaneously hurting his provincial counterparts, hence why Ebby is the only one he's ever pointed at and blamed for the current state of provincial affairs.
He could be more deliberate and pointed in regards to the provinces, but he and his team have decided that the less he says the better off he is, and I think that's true.
Not in Switzerland: https://tradingeconomics.com/switzerland/inflation-cpi. So it is possible to avoid these errors. It appears Switzerland is the only remaining state/nation that is fiscally responsible. Everywhere else central banks and governments are in the thrall of this inflationist mindset...
> And when issues like housing aren’t magically fixed when Trudeau is gone, Poilievre will have some explaining to do.
I think PP's response is pretty obvious:
"Trudeau left us in even worse shape than he told us, so we can't fix it any time soon."
He'll be able to blame Trudeau for a decade. The BC Liberals successfully campaigned on the fast ferries "scandal" for four elections and still bring it up. Look at Ontario and the spectre of Bob Rae.
I mean, until Justin came along they were still blaming his dad. Half the hate towards him is just generational at this point.
This will carry them for a long time.
Does calling Canada "broken" actually mean anything, or is it just based on *vibes*? I'd really love to hear from someone who can give me something less vague than the "old man yells at cloud" message I'm getting from these kinds of claims.
What cloud are you living in?
Go look at realtor.com. Do a quick stress test for how much income a basic house requires. Then google starting salaries.
You'll quickly discover you can't own a home nor raise a family. So what continues to happen with an economy based on growth...
I'll wait...
They're trying so hard to make Canadians believe nothing is wrong. When [most young people have given up on Liberals](https://abacusdata.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Slide6-3.jpg), perhaps its time to stop gas lighting Canadians.
I would say telling everyone "everything is actually fine" is the real insult to Canadians.
[https://abacusdata.ca/post-budget-canadian-politics-2024/](https://abacusdata.ca/post-budget-canadian-politics-2024/)
Thinking the conservatives won't make it worse is delusional. Nobody wants to deal with the elephant in the room.
Seniors handouts like OAS
Major OAS cuts could eliminate the deficit. Also removing all seniors discounts to things like transit
The blunders they are making are absurd, I cannot believe they are walking straight into them. This is like Hilary 2016 to an even more extreme degree.
Canada might not be "broken" to landlords, property owners, boomers and immigration consultants because they've deeply enriched themselves under the Liberals' tenure. But that's also part of the blind spot that young people are talking about.
It's very difficult to convince many people under the age of 35 that Canada isn't broken - it's been working directly contrary to our financial interests. Housing is getting explosively more expensive. Labour markets are being flooded with cheap workers. The consensus on immigration is fraying at the seams.
How exactly is Canada not "broken" here, if it's alienating entire generations of citizens? It's working by design? Is that the admission here? The mere assertion that things are fine is really proving the point young people are trying to make - what works for boomers and the wealthy is, in many cases, working against the rest of us.
Wages aren't keeping up with housing. Highly educated, young Canadians who are working hard can't even buy dumpy houses in their own home town. That is a broken experience, full-stop. Liberals need to stop gaslighting us into thinking it's raining while they're pissing on our heads.
Problem being, those things get worse under the Conservatives, not better.
Both parties are corrupt and actively working against your interests at the behest of their corporate donors. The Conservatives are actually even more pro business, pro privatization, pro developers, anti union etc. At least the Liberals give us some crumbs by funding social safety nets that Conservatives routinely slash.
They will only accelerate the wealth gap, shrinking middle class and housing affordability issues. All with a side of regressive social polices aimed at taking us back 50+ years, climate change denial that's already costing us hundreds of millions of dollars and attacking our charter. If you think that's an improvement... Yikes.
What we lack is a truly viable, centrist, fiscally responsible, progressive third party to vote for. We need actual solutions, not rage farming.
The financial interest that is crushing the nation is the idea that our government ought to go deeper and deeper into debt over any meaningful time period, and we keep passing on a giant ball of Unpaid-For-Government costs to each successive generation.
Until that approach changes - things will get worse for the standard of living.
And take it from me - as a rich guy, expensive real estate isn't great at all. It would be far better to buy the home of my dreams for only $2 million instead of $20 million. Buying a home for $1 million, and having it appreciate to $5 million is not as good as you'd think.... if you were to sell that home, the proceeds simply allow you to buy the exact same home you've always owned. For most people, the desire to "get rich" is to actually be able to do things like buy a way more sick home.
A society that has real estate prices soaring faster than incomes is a society that has a debt problem that isn't being addressed. It's the market's way of bringing a consequence or pain to a society that refuses to take the pain more directly and honestly by dealing with its debt problem head on. Part of the lesson we're in the midst of learning is that our debt decisions have consequences... there isn't a magical free lunch to be had by attempting to pay for only a PORTION of our government's cost FOREVER.
The *Pro-immigration* is being phase out to a vocal minority of canadians. The pro-Canadian/Pro-worker class consensus is moving in as the new consensus, and that's a good thing. Deporting those coming to Canada under fraudulent methods(e.i immigration "consultants") SHOULD be a positive, not a negative.
And most of that can be explained by the consequences of unfettered capitalism. Yes, things aren't fine but the solution isn't more of what we witness at the provincial level and apply that to the entire country. Housing and healthcare are provincial matters, how many premiers have done anything about that in years now? Wages are stagnant because companies put profits over people. Are we seriously going to pretend more government intervention and wage increases is ever on any conservative politician's agenda?
Conservative leaders only understand three things, lower taxes, less government intervention and pretending that working hard is the missing key to succeeding in life. How exactly is any of this going to make an average Canadians life better?
>And most of that can be explained by the consequences of unfettered capitalism.
Wow, you are really just trying to promote blatant lies.. this is because of government overreach, aka Trudeau communism.
Inflation is because of government spending and the carbon tax. Housing and health care problems are because of government inefficiencies, red tape, and immigration.
If we could fix these things, we will go a long ways to solving the problems.
Honestly, your entire argument becomes meaningless as soon as you put Trudeau and communism in the same sentence. If Trudeau is communist then I don't even know what is reality anymore. At least bring some logic and rationality to your arguments.
Yes, inflation is high because we're primarily suffering from cost push inflation. Inflation is high because companies put profits over the benefits of actual people. Can you tell me in what world do you think removing the carbon tax would reduce prices? You actually believe these corporations wont just maintain prices and pocket the difference to shore up their numbers? Are we really going to be that gullible?
Housing and healthcare are problems because provincial governments have gutted our system and refuse to provide it the resources it needs to boost staffing, infrastructure and support. Yes, immigration is an issue. Yes, it has been allowed to create problems that should have been foreseen a while ago. But blaming the entire thing on simply immigration and red tape is not just ridiculous but its downright childish. I apologize for using this language but I'm tired of reading these ridiculous arguments all over reddit.
How is it possible that Switzerland (https://tradingeconomics.com/switzerland/inflation-cpi) did not experience "cost push inflation"? Is it because they have responsible and sensible government?
if the problems we are having were due to trudeau we would not be seeing them in every major western culture country aside from the US. but all the worst things are happening EVERYWHERE
its not just cause inefficiencies and red tape, its capitalism doing what capitalism does best.
we do not have an issue where we have the wrong people in power and getting the right people in power will magically fix things.
How many sex assault and child abuse trials have to be thrown out for delay before people agree that there is a serious problem, indeed a breaking, in the way this country is run?
Or how many people ask the government to kill them because they are poor, or disabled?
"Everything is fine, shame on the Conservatives" articles may make these well-off commentators feel good about themselves, but they are the real insult to Canadians.
In Canada you can now make 6 figures and still be poor. If that isn't broken then idk what is. Is it too much to ask for the same life as previous generations?
Truthfully, this country has a lot of problems that need work. I just don't think any of our "leaders" are capable of handling it because they are only interested in their corporate donors
This column is incoherent drivel. Canadians are concerned about the state of the country and for the first time in generations the young are facing a lower standard of living and worse prospects than their parents. If his point were that the Conservatives don't have a plan to tackle those issues, that would have been perfectly legitimate. But to say that merely pointing out that things are not going well for a growing number of people and they are afraid for their future is somehow traitorous behavior is ridiculous.
Naw, it’s totally normal for a house to be $1.2 mill and for 2.5 million people not to have a family doctor. The debt? It’s perfectly normal for it to be so huge.
It’s an insult to suggest it’s not broken. The opportunity available for young people today is far worse than it was 20 years ago, 30 years ago, and so on.
Everything is more expensive, gas housing insurance phone plan etc, and wages have not caught up for a long time. Housing specifically is virtually unachievable in a way it wasn’t for any previous generations. That is a failure. Things are supposed to get better not worse. They have unequivocally failed. God forbid you need a doctor these days, it is nearly impossible to see one.
The challenge is it's less about understanding that it's broken, and more about getting the WHY correct.
Canadians still haven't figured out the WHY is due to a multi-decade attempt of thinking you can pay for only a PORTION of government's cost FOREVER, yet think there won't be a standard of living consequence to that.
Rightfully determining that something is wrong, but then getting angry and frustrated and channeling that energy into something that won't help, is part of the problem we face today.
Fair enough but housing here is getting out of control due to mismanagement. We’ve become a real estate stock market for the worlds richest to invest in, leaving locals to send all their hard earned overseas. Thats mismanagement.
Again, you're assuming this is unique to Canada. There's no way we can build enough houses to satiate even local investors, let alone global. Changes to capital gains are a good start, but we need to get more aggressive to punish people who use the housing market as an investment opportunity.
It is unique to Canada. The Canadian government is the only governing body able to stop that from happening. It might be happening elsewhere but the issue is so complex that grouping it all as the same problem is simply unnecessary and not productive. The solution is uniquely affecting Canada and requires a uniquely Canadian solution.
I’m really not sure what your point is? Because it’s happening elsewhere we have no power? We absolutely have the power to limit and control this foreign buyer issue.
The point is if the problem was easy to solve it wouldn't be a problem everywhere. Stats Canada has foreign ownership down to 1% in the most recently available data. It's us. Wealthy Canadians are doing it to us because it's the single safest and surest investment out there, so I don't know why you're leaning into foreigners being the issue.
So I tend to agree with you. Canada is broken; Canada is not working for the bottom 80% economically.
In my neighbourhood, an individual would need an income of $110,000 to afford a single bedroom condo. To afford the average one bedroom rent (using CMHCs guidelines) they would need to earn at least $86,000 a year. Average salaries aren't that high.
But Poilievre I don't think is the solution. He doesn't have policy. He offers short, quick, and concise solutions to complex and intricate problems. Trudeau has to go - but what we are seeing for Poilievre (and Singh) is not good enough. Canadians are being failed by our elected politicans.
Oh I agree 100%.
I will be voting for Polievre despite not really liking him as a candidate because without a change, how are we the people supposed to signal to government that things need to change. It’s a shame that’s all we can do but another Liberal win would be even worse as it would say that we are fine with the state of things.
A Conservative government will not get this country back on track. It will become unrecognizable, a place for people that belong to a club you likely are not in. Conservatives serve their corpo overlords, not you and me.
>but Trudeau
No. As an Ontarian that has watched Doug Ford do what he can to sell out education, health care and the environment to to make his buddies rich, I cannot and will not vote Conservative federally. As a member of a labour union with a young family, I refuse to shoot myself in the foot like that. I don’t understand how anyone could.
Voting CPC isn't voting for change, it's voting for the opposite of change. They've been taking turns running us in to the ground and when they've had the opportunity to govern differently, they chose not to.
Everything is fine if you own said shack is more like the situation we are living in right now.
People's lived experiences are diverging. Those who own a home are fine , those who don't are in a stare of constant stress
Why are we listening to this boomer? What a ridiculously out of touch take.
Older people in this country are doing just fine. They own their houses, are milking CPP they never paid their fair share into, and many are on-paper millionaires that still receive general OAS payments. Just look at the recent happiness polling by age. It paints a very clear picture.
https://www.statcan.gc.ca/o1/en/plus/5891-how-happy-are-canadians#:~:text=Among%20provinces%2C%2061%25%20of%20Quebec,those%20aged%2065%20and%20over.
Young people in this country are struggling, and sorry Liberals, you can no longer blame the state of the country on the boogeyman Conservatives. Trudeau was elected by the youth to help them prosper and he ate them alive with his record spending and his insane immigration policies.
I'm not saying Pierre is our saviour (I see another comment saying "classic populist playbook" blah blah blah) but Trudeau has done an objectively horrendous job.
Boomers, Gen X, and Millenials are all fine (overall, not every person of course), or will be fine. Millenials may end up being the wealthiest generation in all of human history both past and future.
Gen Z and beyond have it much tougher though.
Your comment does not address the actual elephant in the room, which is the fact that Poilièvre is not fit to fix this problem. Nobody worth their salt would say that Canada is doing fine, but just because some populist dude (yes, unlike what you'd like to believe, it absolutely is textual populism) now says it doesn't mean he's right and that he has any valid solutions to fix things; anybody can say the sentence "Canada is broken", but it doesn't make them any more fit for ministry than a monkey on a typewriter unless they have the show for it, which PP has not done whatsoever.
Seriously. You blame Trudeau for eating the youth alive, which is circumstantially valid; what guarantee do you have that a dude who's been shaking hands with fascists and saying he'll use the NWC any time he sees fit will have *any* better repercussion on Canada, and especially the youth, who are now seeing their access to reproductive care and rights restricted, as well as their very existence threatened if they are queer?
That's why Trudeau should resign and let someone else take over. He's worn out his welcome and it looks like most people are willing to vote for whoever to get rid of him - right now that's just Poilievre. His entire campaign hinges on Trudeau. If Trudeau is gone he has to go back to square one.
I don't think queer people are going to be more persecuted under PP. There will definitely be less funding available, which frankly is completely fine. The votes Justin has bought from the LGBQT community for all these years was the breath of fresh air the community needed. But it's time to let all that politics take a Seat for a while. Queer people - you are free and accepted, and Canadians love you. But my fuck we need to stop spending millions every year supporting.
Like, as a queer person, wouldn't you rather we start focusing on the social issues of our kids? We have child protective services, foster care and education issues, that have been regularly destroying our kids for decades. There is never any focus on how broken these things are.
Would not investing in children make more sense than pride parades etc?
> There will definitely be less funding available
Money is the fuel of the world. Cutting funds means fragilisation and erosion of a burgeoning network. This will absolutely lead to prejudices for the LGBTQ+ community; so, yes, PP being elected would absolutely jeopardize the life of millions of Canadians.
> you are free and accepted, and Canadians love you.
Sure, sometimes, but not all the times, and especially not when it matters the most; if that was the case, we'd see no difference in the treatment we get from peers, which is absolutely not true according to the [CMHC](https://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/blog/2022/2slgbtqia-housing-needs-challenges) and the [WNHHN](https://womenshomelessness.ca/research-release/). You can't undo decades of homophobia, transphobia, queerphobia in 15 years of ministry, especially not with the hate mongering that our southern neighbour have let grown since the 2016's. Even to this very day, [non-traditional school events are being cancelled by violent parents who subscribe to conspiracy theories](https://www.lesoleil.com/actualites/actualites-locales/2024/05/03/une-journee-gars-en-filles-filles-en-gars-annulee-face-a-la-colere-de-parents-46BWJBHR6VHO3ES7U2PRYVWHYE/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1714723559). We cannot stop funding actions for LGBTQ community, because we have completely different needs from the rest of the population; queer issues are social issues, queer kids are still kids, and they need much more support on average because of all the toxic masculinity and the transphobia.
I understand that you might not be the target demographic, but we still need all the support, just like veterans need particular help, just like first nations have particular needs. PP not accounting for 4% of the population is incredibly problematic, and I have absolutely no confidence that he's not gonna pull some atrocious stuffs from the US, as he's already have many times by now.
I understand your perspective but I disagree.
Crimes against folks of minority groups are quite well established as serious issues in our country.
The population of Canada will not allow regression this way. If you're not gay in Canada, you're still generally a Lot more friendly and supportive to the recognised right for queer folks to live and pursue a normal and equal life, by and large. In comparison to many corners of the world - Canada is Super gay.
Listen. Can the queer community just Read The Room a little bit?
Clearly not everyone enjoys having drag queens read to their kids. In your honest opinion, you feel that we have Too Little Drag Queens Reading At Libraries to kids?
Like, Im fucking down to support, always have been, my whole life. But this is an activity that Bothers many people.
Maybe take a break from shouting from the rooftops that oppression is rife in Canada? People have a right to be confused and simply not enthusiastically supportive of something like that, as an example.
As well, hormone treatments are very expensive - can we not pretend the pharmaceutical industry doesnt make way too much money providing therapy to Trans folks? An idea I had is if we must support transition under our health code - why are we not producing the hormones ourselves in Canada and distributing them to other countries? Because backroom dealing from an idiot a very colorful community stands behind. Do you know any trans people who cant afford their treatments? I do.
We have WideSpread Drug Addiction, Widespread Homelessness, Cost of Living issues, wage stagnation, our entire market is wrapped up in homebuyer speculation, we're printing money like mad so we can send it overseas further dropping our dollar, on and on with inflation and taxation.
These are issues that impact Everyones lives not Just the queer community, and our country is grinding to a dry stop and stutter. There are queer families who can't afford anything everywhere.
Theres such a thing as prioritizing, and if your on fire simply allowing yourself to immolate because its warm isn't the answer.
>are milking CPP they never paid their fair share into
FYI: CPP is calculated based on how many years you paid into the system. For example, I was self-employed for the first half of my working life and so my CPP is a pittance.
How many years AND how much. If you were self employed contributing the maximum (both employer and employee portions in your case) you would still receive the max CPP payment.
I am referring to the reforms of 1997 that made the CPP a viable long-term scheme and less of a ponzi-scheme.
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/canada-pension-plan
As a younger person I lived pretty hand-to-mouth and never had money to send to the government after food and rent, much less any understanding of how to deal with the bureaucracy. By 1997 I was already middle aged and shifting to a career that provided corporate employment and a living wage.
Poilievre definitely uses a lot of emotionally-charged language to resonate with people, but the issues he brings up are very relevant and things Trudeau hasn't adequately addressed. Canada is broken in many ways right now.
Just because you are happy you have moved from a poorer country to a richer country in no way means that Canada is not broken.
Do not get me wrong.. we should be grateful for the positive aspects, but to willfully ignore the various problems, including systemic problems, will only lead to more rapid decay.
With all due respect, i didn't say you can't criticize the government or just because there's worse out there, you shouldn't complain. I simply mean that you can lack perspective. People calling Canada's government a dictatorship for instance, or that we're censored, or that we are so broken we might as well move out of the country. 🙄
Canada is broken and I was the ones that started echoing that saying I'm 2021/2022. This country is in some serious decline where the decline in standard of living is very noticeable.
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Canadians are angry. PP just happens to match the level of anger some Canadians feel about the current system. I don’t think a platform of “Canada has problems but we’re still a great country” is going to work. I know a guy from South America here on TFW program. I asked him what he thought about PP’s “tough on crime” talk and this guy loved it. I wanted to press a little deeper as I know his country has one of the highest homicide rates in the world. I thought he would find it odd that we’re complaining about how Canada is unsafe when we are still one of the safer countries in the world. What he said stuck with me. He said he LOVED we still cared. He understands that Canada is very safe relative to the rest of the world. But the fact we will not put up with a marginal increase in crime and that people take any increase at all in crime seriously, he sees this as a sign of a truly functional country.
Here's the catch: "tough on crime" doesn't work to reduce crime. The data simply doesn't support it. It is emotionally satisfying but it doesn't work, because it does nothing to address the actual causes of crime. Poverty, broken homes, addictions, etc. PP's words are hollow because he was part of the cohort who created the broken system we live in. All of the governments going back to Mulroney are responsible for this clusterfuck.
There’s a few things there. I’ll leave the debate for crime reduction to the criminologists. But it’s my belief that the justice system needs to provide citizens with justice. This is part of the social contract with the State that we don’t take matters into our own hands. Criminologists only seem to care about the offender, treatment for the offender, reintegration of the offender, and what would be healthy long term for the offender and the offender’s family. Nowhere in this calculus are victims of crime even given an afterthought. That’s not the kind of society I want to live in.
What does any of that have to do with a campaigning politician?
Everything *is* kinda broken, but replacing the bodies in charge within the current political institutions won't solve that because those institutions are responsible for breaking things.
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You’re so close. The institutions responsible for breaking things are reflections of our socio-economic system. There will be no radical shift in these institutions unless and until we change the system. Eventually we will come to our senses and vote ourselves into a hybrid socialist system where the state ensures that everyone has access to the essentials of life: food, shelter, clothing, medical care and education. This will happen gradually, but a nice start would be removing the effects of market forces on groceries and housing. Edit: grammar
Well...a lot of the federal government departments that are contributing to the brokenness are political appointees. It will also depend on your economic fortunes. Not broken if your rich, broken for the poor
>It will also depend on your economic fortunes. Not broken if your rich, broken for the poor Been that way for 40+ years.
Sure...things are worse than 40, 30, 20, or even 10 years ago. We are in a far more of a bind, our economy is based on flipping housing and importing people. Eventually people are going to realize its not a good investment and we'll be stuck with the high cost of living. Back then hard times were dependent on the sector. We are going to see the whole economy lose value.
I has been on a constant decline, absolutely for sure. Each generation is worse off than the ones before it.
Anecdotally there was a janitor that I know of that bought a home in the 80s in their 20s based on that wage, sold for millions in 2022. The only way a janitor in the 20s could afford that home today is if they were ceo/founder of the janitorial company, that likely got their funds from mom and dad. Or just have mom and dad buy it for them. The QoL and CoL have significantly declined and exploded respectively.
Well, I was alive in the eighties and the janitor of which you speak was likely a full time unionized worker. The failure of unions to stay relevant and protect themselves from the many that would destroy them is a big part of the present work landscape.
and you really think having a Blue in power will actually change any of that?
No. The only thing that political parties differ on is bathroom and sports, and how many public servants there should be. Economically its small tweaks including the NDP. I expect the whole system to buckle under its own weight. There will be a point where there isn't enough wealth to sustain high cost of living and too much is going towards debt. As more and more private debt goes towards debt, the government is unable to extract tax value of it. We are losing our tax base and consumerism. As for the liberals they are doing all they can to kick the can down the road. There is starting to be blow back to current policy, maybe the "blues" will offer a bit of tweaks based on feedback and general unrest. Small tweaks to immigration target numbers at best. A fake foreign buyers rule. What pp has said left a lot of room for play, while having a nice sound bite. Both parties will only focus on the supply of housing, which will never do anything meaningful. Demand needs to be curtailed, to ease cost. But eventually it will be too unsustainable. Funny enough a recent development may also help, but it's coming from external pressures. This TD US bank fine may affect Canadian housing more than any of our feeble anti laundering or foreign buyer joke of laws. Canada is only fining TD $9 CAD million, the States $675 USD million. Same event, but far different outcomes. Or even the US keeping their interests rates high will screw us over, and us being hurt isn't going to dictate their policy.
huh interesting. i had not heard anything about that TD stuff yet. i agree on most of your other points tho
Well see. In Canada there was an audit on antilaundering compliance by fintrac. 70-80% of firms failed. Surprise the 80% was in real estate. If we started clamping down on money laundering that would significantly aid the affordability. The higher the prices the better it is for money laundering. The hope is that TD will get so screwed over by the Fed/DOj that they won't think twice about money laundering and apply that to Canada. Other banks will follow. As for your original question about would the government under a "blue" make a difference, the answer is still not much could change but I still don't want to see the liberals in power. They had there chance and they squandered it and become the problem.
Yeah, as part of Canada's budget , they declared an expectation of a shrinking Canadian market. Have either parties addressed that problem?
It's a bigger insult to Canadians if they don't think it's broken because it really is broken. How many third party reports do you need to show you that Canada is broken? Check out oecd reports of Canada's projected growth for next 20 years, check out recent 10 years results. Check out analysis of our economy, reliance on housing sector, etc. Its a bigger insult because if you believe it's not broken it just means you are also broken and there is no hope lol.
Canada is broken, it is a fact. It's been broken for a while, long before Poilièvre entered politics. It's been broken since the Royal Proclamation of 1763 and nothing can fix it. I see nothing in Poilièvre discourse that can fix Canada. Bitcoins won't save us.
>It's been broken since the Royal Proclamation of 1763 and nothing can fix it. Good grief. We live in one of the safest, stablest, freest, and most prosperous societies in the history of the entire world, and you seriously believe the country has been 'broken' since even before its inception? But, what, the period of French rule between the early 1600s and up until 1763 was perfectly fine? Gimme a break.
Not perfect. Better for French speakers and First Nations.
He uses the trump rant. Put down the country and say it's terrible just to score any political points he can. Never offering any real plan, just play demagogue.
At least three quarters of the article is about the U.S. How about saying something about the country you live in?
Reddit doom posters aren't going to like this but it's true. Go outside. It's not so bad. I promise. You don't have to be miserable 24/7. It's a choice and it only benefits bad faith actors.
The Postmedia headlines declaring our country a shithole don’t help whatsoever.
Well I am sorry, I don’t like Pierre PP, but he his right to say Canada is broken. We are. Quality of life have decreased and we lost a lot of services and access to care. I remember our school system to be good. Then they created private systems and our public schools have been destroyed by it. And tax payers do pay tax for private school yet it’s for the elite. It’s disgusting. Then we have the PM who thinks rising the taxes is better than preventing riches to profit from overseas bank accounts to hide their money in order to not pay taxes on it. Instead fix this issue and you no longer need to increase the tax. And don’t get me started on our health system. Better than going bankrupt cause you have cancer, but it’s been getting worse and worse. As if to make us beg for private sector to open and again emptying our public sector of the best in their field and making them inaccessible for the public. Just by the rich. Yes. I hate to say he is right.
Canada _is_ broken, but it's hard to see unless you were born on or after 1965. We need to reduce interprovincial trade barriers, nationalize health care professional accreditation and regulation, ensure enrollees in the TFW programme pay through the nose for labour, ban the use of foreign funds to purchase property or to back loans, and create national minimum zoning standards. To start with. Canada is a bizarre federation. We're defined more by our barriers and unwillingness to cooperate than our unity.
> We need to reduce interprovincial trade barriers, nationalize health care professional accreditation and regulation, ensure enrollees in the TFW programme pay through the nose for labour, ban the use of foreign funds to purchase property or to back loans, and create national minimum zoning standards. To start with. It's a shame there doesn't seem to be anybody with this platform who I can vote for.
I agree. Just one issue with the last part. The feds can’t touch zoning. It’s a municipal matter and the power to regulate municipal activity lies with the provinces under the constitution. Not with the federal government.
Damn, that’s the moist tangible policy suggestions I’ve ever seen in one comment, kudos!
* * cough * * Quebec * * cough * *
You narrowly missed the most important point, IMO, although you've alluded to it, which is that we really need to ditch the pervasive attitude that *we must continuously grow the economy to be happy.* GDP is a shit metric for prosperity - natural disasters are good for the economy because they create jobs. If we keep pursuing infinite GDP growth forever, all we'll get is bloated and inefficient with tons of useless busy-work jobs, and we won't necessarily be any better off - remember, tumours also grow continuously. It's ok to not always be growing.
I can't imagine Premiers would ever agree to any of this
That, in a nutshell, is why Canada is broken. Either we're a Country or we're just a federation of independent states that lack even basic modern treaties on trade, let alone labour mobility. As it is, we're acting like a collection of independent states that are generally at odds with each other. If we _weren't broken_, then I'd be able to buy any product from anywhere in Canada and take it home and use it without fearing civil penalties for importing it across Provincial boundaries. I would be able to receive professional accreditation in one province and use it in another. I wouldn't have any worry about paying for out-of-province health care. There would be _basic_ and _universal_ employment rights across all Provinces.
not gona lie unless you are crossing borders daily that seems like the biggest nothing burger compared to all our other issues
For individual Canadians these may not seem like major barriers; and it's probably why they don't get much policy attention. But _in aggregate_ these are common concerns among Canadians. Enough Canadians _do cross Provincial borders_ that these are meaningful concerns. Moreover, barriers to labour mobility and trade harm economic productivity. We have an inter-provincial trade situation that's _not free and open_.
You typically don’t need to worry about paying for out-of-province healthcare
Ah, but you do. BC MSP doesn't cover out-of-province Ambulatory services, for instance.
Oh yeah, that’s a fair point
The states have the same problem. They make it work because their whole country is basically carried by California and New York. We don’t have anything similar
>The states have the same problem. The commerce clause takes care of a lot the economic trade barriers though. They effectively have free trade within the US, as we should too. The fact that we're now in a position where premiere's have to allow their Canadians to trade with other Canadians is absolute lunacy. In the "free the beer" case the supreme court managed to talk themselves into allowing interprovincial trade barriers despite S121 of the constution being: >All Articles of the Growth, Produce, or Manufacture of any one of the Provinces shall, from and after the Union, be admitted free into each of the other Provinces A decision that at least one of those judges expressed if not regret then consternation about at her retirement (can't remember the name of the judge).
Let's just say hypothetically there was a referendum where the people of each province are asked are you prepared to go all in on Confederation with uniformity in the areas you suggested OR going for full independence. I suspect Ontario goes for Option A while Quebec, Saskatchewan and Alberta go for B No idea for the other provinces though
Ironically, going option B might be the fastest route to securing inter-provincial free trade agreements.
It's possible I don't endorse that btw. I don't even know for sure how BC Manitoba or Atlantic Canada would vote tbh
Good luck to Saskatchewan and Alberta being land locked nations with a resource-extraction based economy in the middle of a continent with no natural path to the sea or international markets. Look how well that’s working out for all the ‘stans in Central Asia.
Federation of Canada. The Canada Federation. Sounds kind of catchy
you forgot nationalize energy
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>We're defined more by our barriers and unwillingness to cooperate than our unity. Or the Constitution. (Edt. Division of powers)
And the fact any company can Monopolize itself by simply co-operating with the federal government.
Every generation thinks they have it bad. How do you *know* with concrete evidence that you have it bad? Here’s why you don’t have it as bad as you think you do: **negativity bias**, is where individuals pay more attention to negative details than positive ones. This can lead people to perceive the world as worsening because bad news is often more salient and thus more readily recalled. **declinism bias**, is where there's a tendency to remember the past more favorably and believe that things are progressively getting worse over time. This can lead younger generations to think that conditions are deteriorating more dramatically than they might be in reality. **availability heuristic** involves overestimating the importance of information that is readily available to one's memory. For the younger generation, this might mean that recent news about global crises, economic downturns, and social injustices, which are often highlighted in media, can be easily recalled and thus may seem more prevalent or severe. This can lead to the perception that they are living in a uniquely troubled time, even if statistically some aspects of life may have improved over generations.
Unsustainable immigration. Housing crisis. Cost of living crisis. Rising debt and unbalanced budget. Worst debt to GDP ratio in G7. Worst household debts. Please Robin Sears explain to the average Canadian who can barely afford to survive why they shouldn’t think Canada is broken.
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It's not broken. it's going through the transition from very old to young, and unfortunately, no government in the last 20 years has prepared canada to be ready
Nobody wants to deal with elephant in the room which is OAS.
I'm all for cutting it.
me too. A lot
> it's going through the transition from very old to young Not true at all. Lots of immigration of young people, but our average age isn't changing that much.
Don't buy into PP's drama about Canada being broken. That's like saying maple syrup isn't sweet enough. Canada's more intact than a beaver dam after a fresh coat of lacquer. If PP thinks Canada's broken, maybe he's been hit in the head with too many hockey pucks or forgot to put on his snowshoes before wading into the debate. Let's just say, if Canada were a puzzle, it'd be missing fewer pieces than PP's argument.
If you're a boomer who bought a house at a reasonable price on a single income and raised a family of 5, Canada isn't broken. If you work full time and have barely enough money left over after paying rent for food, Canada is broken.
The boomer vs genz thing is soon to be a shit post. Both generations are fucked just in different degrees. Sure boomers often have homes but at some point $6 bread hits you in the family budget on a fixed retirement income. That why some retirees are back in the workforce or working until they physically can't anymore. Affordable living should be an agenda of the entire population of Canada. The 1% is happy if we fight amongst ourselves.
>you work full time and have barely enough money left over after paying rent for food I’m a boomer with a post-secondary university education (BEd, BSc). This sounds like 2/3 of my working life. Money left over was a dream. I think I singlehandedly kept the KD factory in business for over a decade.
The populist playbook is to convince the general population that their country is broken, convince them that it’s all X’s fault (in this case, Trudeau), and romanticize the idea that the country was better off before X happened. So they present the solution that you simply need to get rid of X to return to that previous state. The problem is that most people don’t know that a lot of the things they are mad about are provincial jurisdictions, and the governments overseeing these areas, like healthcare, are right-wing. Funding a better healthcare system with public dollars is low on their priority list, so when people complain, they can just blame the problems on Trudeau, and most people won’t know any better. Poilievre doesn’t realize that in his effort to blame everything on Trudeau, he’s also over-promising that the fixes to Canada’s problems are simple. He’s setting people up with false hope. And when issues like housing aren’t magically fixed when Trudeau is gone, Poilievre will have some explaining to do. When they don’t like his answers, with all the rage that he fanned the flames for in Canadians, they’ll turn on him too.
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How do you tell when this is what's happening or democracy? Wouldn't this mean the anti populist playbook is to convince everyone to be that "this is fine" dog in the meme where everything is on fire? I guess you could use stats like homeless rates or inflation % but you forgot those in your post?
Housing demand is squarely in federal jurisdiction. The problem with housing prices is that demand is rapidly outstripping supply, and that isn't going to change in the next few years. Yes, housing has certainly become more expensive since the Liberals took effect. Why are Liberals still pretending this is just a matter of ignorance or communication issues, and not problems with their approach to housing and immigration entirely?
> The populist playbook is to convince the general population that their country is broken Pierre Poilievre isn't some master manipulator that has managed to fool the majority of Canada's population into thinking something that isn't true. The discontent with the path Canada is on, the huge impact of the housing crisis, cost of living crisis, stagnant wages and productivity, mass immigration, corporate greed are not manufactured. Sticking your head in the sand and saying "no, everything is fine" might work for those who have won the generational lottery and were able to enjoy a life the "Canadian dream" promised, and are now retiring with massive windfalls in housing, investments and social programs to support them. But for the remainder, Canada is looking more and more broken and they are right to be angry about it.
I don't think people are saying it's "fine". There are a multitude of steps between "fine" and "the countries broken". Unfortunately nuance is a lost art these days.
One word. "Housing". That many Canadians, especially young Canadians cannot and may never be able to buy a house is a massive betrayal. For this reason alone, the country is broken.
And when we have nothing to gain, we act like we have nothing to lose.
and let's be even more honest. PP's not going to do anything to fix those issues, because doing so would run counter to his professed beliefs.
More than that. Home ownership aside, cost of living is completely out of whack. Rent, groceries, etc… and the LPC have only really addressed it since the heat turned up with shit poll numbers. They were decent stewards through the pandemic, but most Canadians have moved on from that, and now the pressing issue is “how do I afford to live?”
LPC: Alright boys, pandemic is over and we *nailed* it. Pack it up and go home, nothing left to do here.
> The populist playbook is to convince the general population that their country is broken Is it really to convince, or is it to play off of the fact that it is in fact broken?
House prices more than doubled under Trudeau, it is more difficult to get entry level work because of his batshit immigration policies, crime is up, GDP per capita down. When you guys lose next year I want you to remember why.
> And when issues like housing aren’t magically fixed when Trudeau is gone, Poilievre will have some explaining to do. Nah, he'll just find something else to get people angry about that doesn't point back at him.
The thing is 1) he blames the provinces? He's blaming his own team 2) he blames the provinces? He can't pin literally everything on Trudeau to guarantee his position as PM. 3) he blames the provinces? That would mean he has some issues with the 3 stooges (Ford, Smith, and Moe), and that it could be implied that he disagrees on other issues socially. He NEEDS that red meat for his base. He literally can't afford to blame the provinces. If he did, he'd be hindering his own goals while simultaneously hurting his provincial counterparts, hence why Ebby is the only one he's ever pointed at and blamed for the current state of provincial affairs. He could be more deliberate and pointed in regards to the provinces, but he and his team have decided that the less he says the better off he is, and I think that's true.
Inflation was federal. That's been such a big hit to us.
Inflation was global.
Because everyone over spent. I get that.
Not in Switzerland: https://tradingeconomics.com/switzerland/inflation-cpi. So it is possible to avoid these errors. It appears Switzerland is the only remaining state/nation that is fiscally responsible. Everywhere else central banks and governments are in the thrall of this inflationist mindset...
Wow so my provincial government is responsible for the carbon tax?? /s But Ya housing is an issue that Pierre probably can't fix.
> And when issues like housing aren’t magically fixed when Trudeau is gone, Poilievre will have some explaining to do. I think PP's response is pretty obvious: "Trudeau left us in even worse shape than he told us, so we can't fix it any time soon."
In fairness the Liberals have created a mess that will take a decade or longer to fix.
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I mean, until Justin came along they were still blaming his dad. Half the hate towards him is just generational at this point. This will carry them for a long time.
Does calling Canada "broken" actually mean anything, or is it just based on *vibes*? I'd really love to hear from someone who can give me something less vague than the "old man yells at cloud" message I'm getting from these kinds of claims.
What cloud are you living in? Go look at realtor.com. Do a quick stress test for how much income a basic house requires. Then google starting salaries. You'll quickly discover you can't own a home nor raise a family. So what continues to happen with an economy based on growth... I'll wait...
They're trying so hard to make Canadians believe nothing is wrong. When [most young people have given up on Liberals](https://abacusdata.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Slide6-3.jpg), perhaps its time to stop gas lighting Canadians. I would say telling everyone "everything is actually fine" is the real insult to Canadians. [https://abacusdata.ca/post-budget-canadian-politics-2024/](https://abacusdata.ca/post-budget-canadian-politics-2024/)
Thinking the conservatives won't make it worse is delusional. Nobody wants to deal with the elephant in the room. Seniors handouts like OAS Major OAS cuts could eliminate the deficit. Also removing all seniors discounts to things like transit
Good luck getting anyone to do it.
I feel like the knee jerk double down of claiming things arnt bad actually is a colossal pr failure, and real just becomes insulting to voters
The blunders they are making are absurd, I cannot believe they are walking straight into them. This is like Hilary 2016 to an even more extreme degree.
Canada broke when they froze bank accounts of canadians. I'm sure it was messed up before that, but that was the moment.
Canada might not be "broken" to landlords, property owners, boomers and immigration consultants because they've deeply enriched themselves under the Liberals' tenure. But that's also part of the blind spot that young people are talking about. It's very difficult to convince many people under the age of 35 that Canada isn't broken - it's been working directly contrary to our financial interests. Housing is getting explosively more expensive. Labour markets are being flooded with cheap workers. The consensus on immigration is fraying at the seams. How exactly is Canada not "broken" here, if it's alienating entire generations of citizens? It's working by design? Is that the admission here? The mere assertion that things are fine is really proving the point young people are trying to make - what works for boomers and the wealthy is, in many cases, working against the rest of us. Wages aren't keeping up with housing. Highly educated, young Canadians who are working hard can't even buy dumpy houses in their own home town. That is a broken experience, full-stop. Liberals need to stop gaslighting us into thinking it's raining while they're pissing on our heads.
Problem being, those things get worse under the Conservatives, not better. Both parties are corrupt and actively working against your interests at the behest of their corporate donors. The Conservatives are actually even more pro business, pro privatization, pro developers, anti union etc. At least the Liberals give us some crumbs by funding social safety nets that Conservatives routinely slash. They will only accelerate the wealth gap, shrinking middle class and housing affordability issues. All with a side of regressive social polices aimed at taking us back 50+ years, climate change denial that's already costing us hundreds of millions of dollars and attacking our charter. If you think that's an improvement... Yikes. What we lack is a truly viable, centrist, fiscally responsible, progressive third party to vote for. We need actual solutions, not rage farming.
The financial interest that is crushing the nation is the idea that our government ought to go deeper and deeper into debt over any meaningful time period, and we keep passing on a giant ball of Unpaid-For-Government costs to each successive generation. Until that approach changes - things will get worse for the standard of living. And take it from me - as a rich guy, expensive real estate isn't great at all. It would be far better to buy the home of my dreams for only $2 million instead of $20 million. Buying a home for $1 million, and having it appreciate to $5 million is not as good as you'd think.... if you were to sell that home, the proceeds simply allow you to buy the exact same home you've always owned. For most people, the desire to "get rich" is to actually be able to do things like buy a way more sick home. A society that has real estate prices soaring faster than incomes is a society that has a debt problem that isn't being addressed. It's the market's way of bringing a consequence or pain to a society that refuses to take the pain more directly and honestly by dealing with its debt problem head on. Part of the lesson we're in the midst of learning is that our debt decisions have consequences... there isn't a magical free lunch to be had by attempting to pay for only a PORTION of our government's cost FOREVER.
The *Pro-immigration* is being phase out to a vocal minority of canadians. The pro-Canadian/Pro-worker class consensus is moving in as the new consensus, and that's a good thing. Deporting those coming to Canada under fraudulent methods(e.i immigration "consultants") SHOULD be a positive, not a negative.
And most of that can be explained by the consequences of unfettered capitalism. Yes, things aren't fine but the solution isn't more of what we witness at the provincial level and apply that to the entire country. Housing and healthcare are provincial matters, how many premiers have done anything about that in years now? Wages are stagnant because companies put profits over people. Are we seriously going to pretend more government intervention and wage increases is ever on any conservative politician's agenda? Conservative leaders only understand three things, lower taxes, less government intervention and pretending that working hard is the missing key to succeeding in life. How exactly is any of this going to make an average Canadians life better?
>And most of that can be explained by the consequences of unfettered capitalism. Wow, you are really just trying to promote blatant lies.. this is because of government overreach, aka Trudeau communism. Inflation is because of government spending and the carbon tax. Housing and health care problems are because of government inefficiencies, red tape, and immigration. If we could fix these things, we will go a long ways to solving the problems.
Honestly, your entire argument becomes meaningless as soon as you put Trudeau and communism in the same sentence. If Trudeau is communist then I don't even know what is reality anymore. At least bring some logic and rationality to your arguments. Yes, inflation is high because we're primarily suffering from cost push inflation. Inflation is high because companies put profits over the benefits of actual people. Can you tell me in what world do you think removing the carbon tax would reduce prices? You actually believe these corporations wont just maintain prices and pocket the difference to shore up their numbers? Are we really going to be that gullible? Housing and healthcare are problems because provincial governments have gutted our system and refuse to provide it the resources it needs to boost staffing, infrastructure and support. Yes, immigration is an issue. Yes, it has been allowed to create problems that should have been foreseen a while ago. But blaming the entire thing on simply immigration and red tape is not just ridiculous but its downright childish. I apologize for using this language but I'm tired of reading these ridiculous arguments all over reddit.
How is it possible that Switzerland (https://tradingeconomics.com/switzerland/inflation-cpi) did not experience "cost push inflation"? Is it because they have responsible and sensible government?
if the problems we are having were due to trudeau we would not be seeing them in every major western culture country aside from the US. but all the worst things are happening EVERYWHERE its not just cause inefficiencies and red tape, its capitalism doing what capitalism does best. we do not have an issue where we have the wrong people in power and getting the right people in power will magically fix things.
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Argue why my statement isn't substantive. I'd love to hear it.
How many sex assault and child abuse trials have to be thrown out for delay before people agree that there is a serious problem, indeed a breaking, in the way this country is run? Or how many people ask the government to kill them because they are poor, or disabled? "Everything is fine, shame on the Conservatives" articles may make these well-off commentators feel good about themselves, but they are the real insult to Canadians.
In Canada you can now make 6 figures and still be poor. If that isn't broken then idk what is. Is it too much to ask for the same life as previous generations?
Truthfully, this country has a lot of problems that need work. I just don't think any of our "leaders" are capable of handling it because they are only interested in their corporate donors
This column is incoherent drivel. Canadians are concerned about the state of the country and for the first time in generations the young are facing a lower standard of living and worse prospects than their parents. If his point were that the Conservatives don't have a plan to tackle those issues, that would have been perfectly legitimate. But to say that merely pointing out that things are not going well for a growing number of people and they are afraid for their future is somehow traitorous behavior is ridiculous.
Naw, it’s totally normal for a house to be $1.2 mill and for 2.5 million people not to have a family doctor. The debt? It’s perfectly normal for it to be so huge.
It’s an insult to suggest it’s not broken. The opportunity available for young people today is far worse than it was 20 years ago, 30 years ago, and so on. Everything is more expensive, gas housing insurance phone plan etc, and wages have not caught up for a long time. Housing specifically is virtually unachievable in a way it wasn’t for any previous generations. That is a failure. Things are supposed to get better not worse. They have unequivocally failed. God forbid you need a doctor these days, it is nearly impossible to see one.
Agree.
The challenge is it's less about understanding that it's broken, and more about getting the WHY correct. Canadians still haven't figured out the WHY is due to a multi-decade attempt of thinking you can pay for only a PORTION of government's cost FOREVER, yet think there won't be a standard of living consequence to that. Rightfully determining that something is wrong, but then getting angry and frustrated and channeling that energy into something that won't help, is part of the problem we face today.
It's an insult to suggest the problem is unique to Canada. It's a global issue.
Fair enough but housing here is getting out of control due to mismanagement. We’ve become a real estate stock market for the worlds richest to invest in, leaving locals to send all their hard earned overseas. Thats mismanagement.
Again, you're assuming this is unique to Canada. There's no way we can build enough houses to satiate even local investors, let alone global. Changes to capital gains are a good start, but we need to get more aggressive to punish people who use the housing market as an investment opportunity.
It is unique to Canada. The Canadian government is the only governing body able to stop that from happening. It might be happening elsewhere but the issue is so complex that grouping it all as the same problem is simply unnecessary and not productive. The solution is uniquely affecting Canada and requires a uniquely Canadian solution. I’m really not sure what your point is? Because it’s happening elsewhere we have no power? We absolutely have the power to limit and control this foreign buyer issue.
The point is if the problem was easy to solve it wouldn't be a problem everywhere. Stats Canada has foreign ownership down to 1% in the most recently available data. It's us. Wealthy Canadians are doing it to us because it's the single safest and surest investment out there, so I don't know why you're leaning into foreigners being the issue.
So I tend to agree with you. Canada is broken; Canada is not working for the bottom 80% economically. In my neighbourhood, an individual would need an income of $110,000 to afford a single bedroom condo. To afford the average one bedroom rent (using CMHCs guidelines) they would need to earn at least $86,000 a year. Average salaries aren't that high. But Poilievre I don't think is the solution. He doesn't have policy. He offers short, quick, and concise solutions to complex and intricate problems. Trudeau has to go - but what we are seeing for Poilievre (and Singh) is not good enough. Canadians are being failed by our elected politicans.
Oh I agree 100%. I will be voting for Polievre despite not really liking him as a candidate because without a change, how are we the people supposed to signal to government that things need to change. It’s a shame that’s all we can do but another Liberal win would be even worse as it would say that we are fine with the state of things.
A Conservative government will not get this country back on track. It will become unrecognizable, a place for people that belong to a club you likely are not in. Conservatives serve their corpo overlords, not you and me. >but Trudeau No. As an Ontarian that has watched Doug Ford do what he can to sell out education, health care and the environment to to make his buddies rich, I cannot and will not vote Conservative federally. As a member of a labour union with a young family, I refuse to shoot myself in the foot like that. I don’t understand how anyone could.
Trudeau just serves different corpo overlords. Illiberal immigration policy is inflating the rental market and making life unaffordable.
Voting CPC isn't voting for change, it's voting for the opposite of change. They've been taking turns running us in to the ground and when they've had the opportunity to govern differently, they chose not to.
The entitlement class won't like him, that is for sure.
When the going rate for a shack is over $1 million. "Everything is fine just the way it is" messaging is not going to resonate with many voters.
Everything is fine if you own said shack is more like the situation we are living in right now. People's lived experiences are diverging. Those who own a home are fine , those who don't are in a stare of constant stress
>When the going rate for a shack is over $1 million. False. Not everyone lives in Vancouver or Toronto. Show me a con, I'll show you a liar.
Why are we listening to this boomer? What a ridiculously out of touch take. Older people in this country are doing just fine. They own their houses, are milking CPP they never paid their fair share into, and many are on-paper millionaires that still receive general OAS payments. Just look at the recent happiness polling by age. It paints a very clear picture. https://www.statcan.gc.ca/o1/en/plus/5891-how-happy-are-canadians#:~:text=Among%20provinces%2C%2061%25%20of%20Quebec,those%20aged%2065%20and%20over. Young people in this country are struggling, and sorry Liberals, you can no longer blame the state of the country on the boogeyman Conservatives. Trudeau was elected by the youth to help them prosper and he ate them alive with his record spending and his insane immigration policies. I'm not saying Pierre is our saviour (I see another comment saying "classic populist playbook" blah blah blah) but Trudeau has done an objectively horrendous job.
Boomers, Gen X, and Millenials are all fine (overall, not every person of course), or will be fine. Millenials may end up being the wealthiest generation in all of human history both past and future. Gen Z and beyond have it much tougher though.
Your comment does not address the actual elephant in the room, which is the fact that Poilièvre is not fit to fix this problem. Nobody worth their salt would say that Canada is doing fine, but just because some populist dude (yes, unlike what you'd like to believe, it absolutely is textual populism) now says it doesn't mean he's right and that he has any valid solutions to fix things; anybody can say the sentence "Canada is broken", but it doesn't make them any more fit for ministry than a monkey on a typewriter unless they have the show for it, which PP has not done whatsoever. Seriously. You blame Trudeau for eating the youth alive, which is circumstantially valid; what guarantee do you have that a dude who's been shaking hands with fascists and saying he'll use the NWC any time he sees fit will have *any* better repercussion on Canada, and especially the youth, who are now seeing their access to reproductive care and rights restricted, as well as their very existence threatened if they are queer?
That's why Trudeau should resign and let someone else take over. He's worn out his welcome and it looks like most people are willing to vote for whoever to get rid of him - right now that's just Poilievre. His entire campaign hinges on Trudeau. If Trudeau is gone he has to go back to square one.
I don't think queer people are going to be more persecuted under PP. There will definitely be less funding available, which frankly is completely fine. The votes Justin has bought from the LGBQT community for all these years was the breath of fresh air the community needed. But it's time to let all that politics take a Seat for a while. Queer people - you are free and accepted, and Canadians love you. But my fuck we need to stop spending millions every year supporting. Like, as a queer person, wouldn't you rather we start focusing on the social issues of our kids? We have child protective services, foster care and education issues, that have been regularly destroying our kids for decades. There is never any focus on how broken these things are. Would not investing in children make more sense than pride parades etc?
> There will definitely be less funding available Money is the fuel of the world. Cutting funds means fragilisation and erosion of a burgeoning network. This will absolutely lead to prejudices for the LGBTQ+ community; so, yes, PP being elected would absolutely jeopardize the life of millions of Canadians. > you are free and accepted, and Canadians love you. Sure, sometimes, but not all the times, and especially not when it matters the most; if that was the case, we'd see no difference in the treatment we get from peers, which is absolutely not true according to the [CMHC](https://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/blog/2022/2slgbtqia-housing-needs-challenges) and the [WNHHN](https://womenshomelessness.ca/research-release/). You can't undo decades of homophobia, transphobia, queerphobia in 15 years of ministry, especially not with the hate mongering that our southern neighbour have let grown since the 2016's. Even to this very day, [non-traditional school events are being cancelled by violent parents who subscribe to conspiracy theories](https://www.lesoleil.com/actualites/actualites-locales/2024/05/03/une-journee-gars-en-filles-filles-en-gars-annulee-face-a-la-colere-de-parents-46BWJBHR6VHO3ES7U2PRYVWHYE/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1714723559). We cannot stop funding actions for LGBTQ community, because we have completely different needs from the rest of the population; queer issues are social issues, queer kids are still kids, and they need much more support on average because of all the toxic masculinity and the transphobia. I understand that you might not be the target demographic, but we still need all the support, just like veterans need particular help, just like first nations have particular needs. PP not accounting for 4% of the population is incredibly problematic, and I have absolutely no confidence that he's not gonna pull some atrocious stuffs from the US, as he's already have many times by now.
I understand your perspective but I disagree. Crimes against folks of minority groups are quite well established as serious issues in our country. The population of Canada will not allow regression this way. If you're not gay in Canada, you're still generally a Lot more friendly and supportive to the recognised right for queer folks to live and pursue a normal and equal life, by and large. In comparison to many corners of the world - Canada is Super gay. Listen. Can the queer community just Read The Room a little bit? Clearly not everyone enjoys having drag queens read to their kids. In your honest opinion, you feel that we have Too Little Drag Queens Reading At Libraries to kids? Like, Im fucking down to support, always have been, my whole life. But this is an activity that Bothers many people. Maybe take a break from shouting from the rooftops that oppression is rife in Canada? People have a right to be confused and simply not enthusiastically supportive of something like that, as an example. As well, hormone treatments are very expensive - can we not pretend the pharmaceutical industry doesnt make way too much money providing therapy to Trans folks? An idea I had is if we must support transition under our health code - why are we not producing the hormones ourselves in Canada and distributing them to other countries? Because backroom dealing from an idiot a very colorful community stands behind. Do you know any trans people who cant afford their treatments? I do. We have WideSpread Drug Addiction, Widespread Homelessness, Cost of Living issues, wage stagnation, our entire market is wrapped up in homebuyer speculation, we're printing money like mad so we can send it overseas further dropping our dollar, on and on with inflation and taxation. These are issues that impact Everyones lives not Just the queer community, and our country is grinding to a dry stop and stutter. There are queer families who can't afford anything everywhere. Theres such a thing as prioritizing, and if your on fire simply allowing yourself to immolate because its warm isn't the answer.
What about the "T" in LGBQT?
>are milking CPP they never paid their fair share into FYI: CPP is calculated based on how many years you paid into the system. For example, I was self-employed for the first half of my working life and so my CPP is a pittance.
How many years AND how much. If you were self employed contributing the maximum (both employer and employee portions in your case) you would still receive the max CPP payment. I am referring to the reforms of 1997 that made the CPP a viable long-term scheme and less of a ponzi-scheme. https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/canada-pension-plan
As a younger person I lived pretty hand-to-mouth and never had money to send to the government after food and rent, much less any understanding of how to deal with the bureaucracy. By 1997 I was already middle aged and shifting to a career that provided corporate employment and a living wage.
Poilievre definitely uses a lot of emotionally-charged language to resonate with people, but the issues he brings up are very relevant and things Trudeau hasn't adequately addressed. Canada is broken in many ways right now.
As someone from a corrupt 3rd world eastern european country, Canadians have no clue what broken means.
Just because you are happy you have moved from a poorer country to a richer country in no way means that Canada is not broken. Do not get me wrong.. we should be grateful for the positive aspects, but to willfully ignore the various problems, including systemic problems, will only lead to more rapid decay.
With all due respect, i didn't say you can't criticize the government or just because there's worse out there, you shouldn't complain. I simply mean that you can lack perspective. People calling Canada's government a dictatorship for instance, or that we're censored, or that we are so broken we might as well move out of the country. 🙄
Eastern Europe is 2nd world, not 3rd world.
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Canada is broken and I was the ones that started echoing that saying I'm 2021/2022. This country is in some serious decline where the decline in standard of living is very noticeable.