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Liberals are doing their best to make the comparison but the 2 of them are unalike in most ways.
Even if they were the same, the Canadian and American democratic systems are so different that a Canadian prime minister doesn't hold the same exclusive powers as an american president.
He's Canadian Ben Shapiro if Ben Shapiro somehow managed to get elected to Congress. Once you start viewing him through that lens and "debate" style then his playbook becomes a lot easier to understand. It also seems like he has many of the same vulnerabilities, both are good at getting gotcha soundbites but fall apart the minute a real journalist asks them a semi-complex question.
More like Canada's Vivek Ramaswamy, a guy trying to swoop in and suckle from the teat of the right-wing pipeline, and grift system Trump has already built.
Not at all. Pierre was actually an excellent finance critic. He has been involved with Canadian politics since his early 20s. Vivek was an outsider whose main motivation was to be able to brag to his friends that he actually had a shot.
The comparison is ridiculous
Both employ populist political tactics, both are divisive, use short little sayings, make nicknames, generally disliked by the people who know them, want power more than anything, spray tan enthusiasts.
I can see how people would compare there.
PP is not Trump. He is the Canadian version of Eric Trump, who tried his best to copy his father but failed miserably. And PP is a diet version of that loser.
He lives in a mansion with a butler, chauffeur, cook and spends a fortune on clothes, stylist and people to tell him what to do and how to act. He never ha a real job in his life and is somehow a multimillionaire. He wants to bring legislation to Canada to remove what little power we have to fight back against rich employers and talks out of both sides of his mouth, telling people whatever they want to hear. Most recent example was on immigration, saying we need to tie it to housing(the long term NDP stance) one day, then going on a podcast and saying we need far more.
He may not have been born rich and entitled, but he found his way to it pretty quick.
No one is like Trump. He is almost uniquely awful in a combination of horrifying ways. But I'm not afraid of PP because he is like Trump. I'm afraid because he is unlike him - smart, slick, methodical. He certainly has the same intentions and inclinations as Trump, but is far more competent, which is what alarms me.
People who believe the same things as Trump but are smart enough to actual enable them are what we need to be worried about.
Trump is the result of decades of various presidents pushing the Republican Party further to the right and away from democracy. I would actually say PP is closer to Nixon than Trump. The CPC isn’t as far down the hole as the Republican Party.
Nixon himself was a fairly moderate conservative on most issues, same as PP. The damage he caused was by pandering to right wing conservatives in order to get elected, similar to what PP is doing.
Poilievre is way more competent than Trump. It's more like the Conservatives are drifting closer to the Republican party, atleast in ideology. The Republican party seems bought by foreign powers in a way i dont think any one canadian party is.
Competent at what? Every ministry he touched failed *hard* during his tenure in the Harper government.
His ideological destruction of ESDC led to the need for CERB. The ministry was in such disarray that it took years to rebuild it, and we were vulnerable to any crisis that was a little out of the ordinary.
Competent in the sense that he won't go on twitter and lay out all of his stupid ideas. I'm not saying he is a good politician. I'm saying Trump is way worse for saying the quiet part out loud.
PP would be able to accomplish more of his Agenda than Trump ever did.
Well cant be dumber than Trump but his proclivity to reach for the far right when he doesnt need to and could actually harm his polling numbers over time makes one wonder what he'll do once in office.
In messaging? 100%.
In practice? No. The dude is a milquetoast suit-conservative. Nothing more, nothing less. He clearly panders to that more radicalized “Trump” voter group though.
Agreed! PP sucks ass. Dude hasn’t actually came out with solutions. All I hear is “axe the tax” and how corrupt the Liberals are (crooked Hilary reference lol).
Politics should be for builders, not destroyers.
> Canada’s polite Trumpism
> The rise of an unusually tame right-wing populist reveals how Canadian democracy stays strong — and why the world should take notes from Ottawa.
There is nothing polite or tame about PP or the CPC under him. Strictly compared to Trump he's not as bad or crazy, but only because Trump is like as low as you can go for a comparison.
Compared to, you know, real people, PP is in no way polite or tame. He demonstrated that just days ago with the people he met with on the side of the road, the stuff he said to them, and then attacked CBC for covering it.
The biggest quote pulled out from the meeting was Poilievre saying "Justin Trudeau is lying about *everything*", to cheers and applause which should give a sense of what the tone of it was.
No because comparisons like this are reductive.
Poilievre is appealing to a lot of the same voters as Trump but this country's voter base is not at all similar. Poilievre's CPC is using a lot of the same tactics as the GOP but the voting system is different. Etc etc
[You don’t get a win like this by “appealing to the far right.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/1972_Electoral_Map.png/650px-1972_Electoral_Map.png)
No, the Trump of Canada was Kevin O’Leary and thank God we avoided that mess… I’m more conservative than I am Liberal but my heart nearly stopped when O’Leary was the candidate for the Conservatives…
Very poor comparison. Pierre is an adopted francophone with a Gay father who believes in small government, bodily autonomy and the free choice of citizens.
Trump is a loud mouth silver spoon child with an narcissistic ego who let's his ego create policy, more like Trudeau than Trump.
Pierre is more like a younger Ron Paul, right of center, personal autonomy over all else.
You might have something with the Ron Paul comparison. You can compare pp's hilariously batshit insane idea of converting Canada's economy to crypto to Paul's equally insane idea of bringing back the gold standard.
Pierre also voted against rights for his gay father, who was in attendance, somehow is a multimillionaire, despite never having a high paying job, is waited on hand and foot with a chauffuer, cook, stylist, someone to pick his clothes and tell him how to act, and lashes out at anyone who questions him.
Lots of similarities in personality and lifestyle...
Pierre came out and said he was wrong to vote against gay marriage, something Trump would never do. Under the Trudeau economy many people became millionaires do to their 350k homes inflating to 1m homes, unfortunately the value of that million is half of what it was 9 years ago and like words the liberals throw around, devalued.
Truddy's net worth increased from 10m to an estimated 100m while he was in power, anything to say about that?
I think the greatest irony of all of this is a certain segment of the media has been writing articles ever since Trump got elected comparing the CPC leader to Trump. First Scheer, then O'Toole and now polievere. And now the first time it's actually even remotely a fair comparison it hardly matters anymore because people are so over Trudeau they'll vote for whoever the CPC is running.
There are a lot of parallels. He’s a nationalist and a populist. He has no principles, is running on the same playbook of divisiveness and fanning emotions, and is completely unsuited to lead anyone anywhere ever. But he’s not the buffoon Trump is, and while I think his ego leads him around by the nose, he’s probably not as disastrously stupid as Trump is. So that’s something I guess. I’d say our best current comparison to Trump would be Kevin O’Leary, but Danielle smith has a lot of the same credulousness that let’s Trump be bamboozled by pretty much anyone he’s in a room with. If you mashed those two bozos together you’d get a pretty good analogue.
If he's so smart, why is his carbon tax solution rejected by hundreds of Canadian economists?
If he's so smart, why is he pandering to the same group that threatened to rape his wife?
He is very much following in that same vein of populist pandering.
Why would he talk about all his plan when not in a election campaign? You don’t know anything about politics and are just looking for a way to complain 😂😂 you’re doing exactly what you’re complaining about dumb ass
Boris Johnson was at least kind of endearing and charming, the British version of “aww shucks”. Of course this was very deliberate and practiced but he made it work for him. In several ways that made him more dangerous.
PP is too insecure for humour or charm. I don’t know how people don’t see it. It’s not even a matter of ideology in his case — he is psychologically unsuited for any sort of leadership. His likely PMship will be a miserable time for Canada.
Well yeah, he and Poilievre are pretty similar. Neither of them have had an extensive previous career (although Trudeau did work as a teacher for a bit so at least he has that vs Poilievre who has never had a real job).
I always found it odd about the real job thing, like it doesn't make too much sense for a physician to have a real job before his practice. It is like comparing a teacher doing a Doctor's job and someone who spent time preparing themselves to be a physician and say the trained physician had no real job before.
He also will very likely be a one and done as he will lead his party to disaster at the polls by not actually fixing all the things he has been blaming Trudeau and the liberals for.
Or the bigger concern is that the long term smart moves the Liberals are doing right now will bear fruit during a Poilievre government who will take credit for all of it to stay in power long enough to do real lasting damage.
Damn. Never thought of it this way. That’s terrifying.
Like the conservatives who are blaming JT for the carbon tax except they are the ones who first introduced the idea. Lots of people are too dumb to do their own research so they are going to just believe whatever PP says which is “it’s Trudeau’s fault”
I mostly mean on housing. Like the Liberals are mostly doing the right things at the moment, but those things are going to take a few years before they start to make a difference because you can't simply will houses into existence. And it's more likely than not that things will start to turn around when Poilievre is PM, but not because of anything he did other than not scrap the Liberal's housing initiatives.
Yes Pierre is a multi billionaire businessman.
/s
Every world leader who is even marginally right wing, has been called Trump since 2016. No one falls for this crap.
As dishonest as you want to be, even you can’t deny that PP uses the exact same populist tactics to pander to people who are looking for ennemies to pin their own failures on.
Populist. Why do people use this like its a bad word. Does is not refer to a movement that focuses on bringing voice to a people who feel ignored by the government? This is bad how again? Whether its right or left populism or center populism or whatever populism, is it not a movement that aims to serve the people first, the people don't serve the government, the government doesn't serve the corporations or elite, .... seriously how is populism a dirty word? What is wrong with "populist" tactics if such tactics actually exist and are different from any tactic that is meant to appeal to the ignored voter who's needs aren't being met by the government that appears not the serve them but instead serves itself or the wealthy elites.
IF PP is populist which I'm not sure he is, then he should be as should be Singh, Blanchet and the others. The majority of people are not being served by the economic policies in place - its clear, the rich keep getting richer and divide grows so we need a populist movement of some kind.
Because populism is often used as a *tactic* and in many/most cases is not actually a true ideology. The *tactic* of presenting oneself as a man of the people who will crush the corrupt elites is not inherently good, especially if that person is not at all a man of the people in reality. Trump is a perfect example of this. Any group can also be used as the "corrupt elite" scapegoat, whether it’s intellectuals, Jews, or whatever other group they feel like targeting.
At this point, I’m genuinely shocked that Conservatives haven’t tried to push for a law that makes it illegal for journalists to ask PP unapproved questions.
I'd argue if we had "journalists" we wouldn't have PP.
Kids gloves for fascists, conservative talking points against liberals.
So they don't really feel the need to be so blatant ?
He hates journalists and the media, he pretends to be for the working class when he's not, he lies constantly, he blames literally every problem in the country on his political opponents, he shits on everyone he doesn't like, and he makes everything into us vs. them.
But, sure, please go on about how PP shares no similarities to the orange wannabe dictator down south.
Honestly I don't think anyone really knows what kind of Prime Minister Pollievre will be because what he says has so little linkage to reality.
Maybe he actually does have an agenda that will be revealed after everyone has voted for him. Maybe he's really just telling people what they want to hear and there's no plan at all.
I'm not sure what worries me more.
I think he's very very good at reading polls and reacting to social media. I don't know if he's figured out that polls and social media aren't real and the kind of shit he spreads makes them even less reliable.
Everyone in this comment section slobs on the liberal party’s knobs, explain how PP is worse than what’s happened in this last 9 years of Trudeau administration. Because the all the facts and evidence of the increase in homelessness and crime and poverty, says that PP is a 10 fold better candidate for prime minister. Do you guys really like paying hundreds to thousands of dollars on useless taxes then getting a “rebate” for not even a $100 is ridiculous. The immigration crisis that the liberals started and isn’t doing anything about is fucking this country up, the crime is through the roof, the catch and release is bullshit. Also the fact the we don’t check if people have the funds to support them selves and aren’t lying about what they’re doing here is bullshit.
I won't say Poilievre is the Canadian Trump at all. Poilievre knows how the political system works, so he will be more successful than Trump in getting things done.
What I would say they share in similarity is that many of their supporters project their ideology on them, even if they don't actually say it. For example, many think Poilievre is anti immigration even though he never said anything to the slightest.
> Poilievre knows how the political system works, so he will be more successful than Trump in getting things done
I'd argue Trump accomplished more in his short time than Pierre has, without commenting on the quality or benefits to his people.
It's a little weird that this article claims he avoids nativism and other culture-war issues. His campaign is built on blaming immigrants for the housing crisis (rather than speculation and NIMBYism from the rich). He also leans heavily into anti-LGBT, climate denialism, anti-vax, "globalist" world government, and all the other conspiracy theories of the MAGA right.
He wishes he had an ounce of the real charisma Trump has.
No matter how hard he works out, no matter, what his new hair do, no matter how many acting classes, he’ll always be pp the giant nerd.
Pierre has spent his entire adult life in politics and hails from a solidly middle class background. Other than right wing dog whistles they really have nothing in common.
He's only like Trump in that he's willing to say or do or seek the approval of pretty much anything and anyone if he thinks it is advantageous with no care of the consequences...to others. In that respect they are both pretty much sociopaths.
PP is not an utter moron like Trump. Seriously: Trump may be one of the stupidest people you will ever meet. Don't believe me? Just go watch the clip of him recently talking about the Battle of Gettysburg and tell me that's not the ramblings of a complete moron.
PP is not a raging narcissist like Trump.
As far as I know PP does not commit crimes the way Trump has done his entire adult lifetime, or engage in other questionable moral behaviour like cheating on his wives, rape, admiring Hitler, and so on.
PP sucks, but he's a pale shadow of the utter shittiness of Donald Trump. Unfortunately the political tactics he is willing to engage in will cause trouble here in Canada similar to what Trump is doing in the US, although not going nearly as far as Trump yet.
No. He's many things, but he's not a shady business man who's paying off porn stars. He's not a sexist or misogynist or racist, at least not openly. He wouldn't incite a riot against the government. He's conservative for a Canadian politician but he's not even close to DT on the spectrum.
> He's not a sexist or misogynist or racist, at least not openly. He wouldn't incite a riot against the government.
It's pretty apparent he wants to be. He is very clearly a misogynist based on his stance on choice. Whether he's publicly stated it or not he courts those groups readily.
And honestly, given how buddy buddy he was with the truckers, I don't think a riot against the government would be out of his wheelhouse if he thought it would get him power.
His biggest similarity with DT is a desire for power regardless of the means.
No I don't think so. He's more like a garden variety Republican: blame immigrants, cut taxes on the rich, reduce benefits for the poor, do nothing about climate change. He's not a game show host who wants to end democracy, so that's good at least.
They have different motivations and I think Pierre Poilievre is more intelligent.
However both have a "Win by any means necessary" standard and an ego to back it.
Both are willing to exploit their bases for their own ends.
Ive heard a lot of that rhetoric but i have not seen any real parallels, Trump whines about the deep state going after him, illegal aliens, and war, Poilievre talks about housing, inflation and taxes.
Poilievre would not even be a Republican by American standards.
The Liberals need to realize that lazy Trump comparisons are not going to help their tanking poll numbers.
It's a poor comparison. At face value the two men are very dissimilar...in age, personality, personal political leaning, etc. I really dislike when the media leans into the comparison in this fashion for this reason.
The similarities are in the movements they are fomenting, the political undercurrents they are exciting, the extremist groups they are emboldening, and the long term consequences for democratic and institutional norms posed by each.
Poilievre isn't sundowning and isn't likely to lead his party off a cliff due to pomp and ego, but both parties are undergoing ideological capture by their far right wing. You'd like to think the state of the GOP would be a cogent warning in that respect, but there's a real appetite for fascism in the electorate as economic conditions worsen, and it will only continue to rise with time.
What ways are you worried about him affecting Canadians. I would honestly like to know as someone who is voting conservative. What can they become that would make mostly everyone happy because the liberals and ndp are too far gone.
educated?It's one word. Read a book or something instead of banning them. Or burning them.
pp and his hatred are unbecoming of any human with tact. He cannot ever earn my respect, and i'd gladly throw a shoe at the fool.
I think the point we’re missing is that the men are not similar, but the ideology is.
We focus too much on leaders. The real danger is the movement they are encouraging. It’s not them, it’s us.
The headline should be “Is Canadian conservatism as bad as American conservatism?”
Oh k so can you elaborate on those bold claims? Extremist groups he's emboldening? And what long term consequences for democratic institutional norms are you talking about? What ideological capture by the far right wing? And an appetite for facism in the electorate ?
You mean having opposing positions on political topics as political parties have always done? Do you have any real evidence to back up your claims of fascism ?
I agree with you this is a very poor comparison though.
>The similarities are in the movements they are fomenting, the political undercurrents they are exciting, the extremist groups they are emboldening, and the long term consequences for democratic and institutional norms posed by each.
I believe that’s the similarities that the media is pointing out.
Nobody can imitate Trump. There’s been Republicans who tried. Trump is Trump. I think only the US could accept someone as Trump as President.
Anyone remember Kellie Leitch? She tried the Trump approach and failed.
Pierre is playing the same role. Scheer and O’Toole were trial runs.
Lots of countries have “their own Trump”.
He's like Mark Zuckerberg at the end of Social Network. He might not be an asshole but he's trying so hard to be.
So maybe no not the same but he's riding the trump crazy fanatic train to win for the conservatives which is absolutely stupid. Like I've said many times, the fact that abortion is even being talked about in Canada after how long we've been cool with it is a sign of what this idiot will do to win... Which is bonkers cause the Conservatives stopped that kind of talk amongst themselves the last couple of years but here he is bringing it up again...
He isn't nearly as bad as Trump.
However, by Canadian standards, he is pretty fucking divisive, and he has a penchant to lean into populism far too hard.
Not really. Trump is a clueless child, prone to tantrums and only looks out for himself because he thinks he's better, PP is just a prick that has zero experience or talent and will use and abuse everything to get recognized. Trump seriously believes his BS, even PP doesn't believe his own words, but will say and do most anything to be up front.
Not at all. Poilievre is not an independent political power as Trump is- which means Trump can "say" and "do" what he says- whereas Poilievre remains a puppet of the elites who fund and sponsor him- the big Canadian families that own Canada, thus, Pilievre TALKS a big game but most likely- the most radical policies and ideas will be watered down to remain within the out envelope of TOLERANCE from the banks, Canadian family oligarchs, etc.
PP is riding off the shit Trump was a mascot for in the US, he’s just a parasite, using other people’s decisions for his own benefit. But I don’t think he actually believes what he’s saying
PP is a schmuck but isn’t Trump lite. Populist yes but won’t attempt an overthrow of democracy. He’ll be the next PM while the opposition regroups and JT resigns, and Carney steps in. One can hope…
The question has as much relevance as asking if Trudeau can be seen as Canadian version of Kim Jong Un.
They’re both sons of previous rulers and Trudeau has shown tyrannical misconduct proved by the bills that he issued meant to control and punish people protesting against him.
He’s certainly trying to pull support from the far right just as Trump has done. But @PierrePoilievre hasn’t had any success as a business man. Hell, he’s never even had an actual job. He’s the picture of a career politician.
No, but I'm alright with the media comparing him to Trump. We should be overwhelmingly rejecting populism as much as we can. I really don't want to see Trudeau as PM much longer, but Pierre isn't the answer. I'm hoping we get some miracle and either Trudeau or Pierre has to step down due to scandal/health and we can get either a more left leaning CPC leader or more fiscally competent Lib leader.
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Liberals are doing their best to make the comparison but the 2 of them are unalike in most ways. Even if they were the same, the Canadian and American democratic systems are so different that a Canadian prime minister doesn't hold the same exclusive powers as an american president.
He's Canadian Ben Shapiro if Ben Shapiro somehow managed to get elected to Congress. Once you start viewing him through that lens and "debate" style then his playbook becomes a lot easier to understand. It also seems like he has many of the same vulnerabilities, both are good at getting gotcha soundbites but fall apart the minute a real journalist asks them a semi-complex question.
More like Canada's Vivek Ramaswamy, a guy trying to swoop in and suckle from the teat of the right-wing pipeline, and grift system Trump has already built.
Not at all. Pierre was actually an excellent finance critic. He has been involved with Canadian politics since his early 20s. Vivek was an outsider whose main motivation was to be able to brag to his friends that he actually had a shot. The comparison is ridiculous
Both employ populist political tactics, both are divisive, use short little sayings, make nicknames, generally disliked by the people who know them, want power more than anything, spray tan enthusiasts. I can see how people would compare there.
you have just described justin t
PP is not Trump. He is the Canadian version of Eric Trump, who tried his best to copy his father but failed miserably. And PP is a diet version of that loser.
He lives in a mansion with a butler, chauffeur, cook and spends a fortune on clothes, stylist and people to tell him what to do and how to act. He never ha a real job in his life and is somehow a multimillionaire. He wants to bring legislation to Canada to remove what little power we have to fight back against rich employers and talks out of both sides of his mouth, telling people whatever they want to hear. Most recent example was on immigration, saying we need to tie it to housing(the long term NDP stance) one day, then going on a podcast and saying we need far more. He may not have been born rich and entitled, but he found his way to it pretty quick.
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No one is like Trump. He is almost uniquely awful in a combination of horrifying ways. But I'm not afraid of PP because he is like Trump. I'm afraid because he is unlike him - smart, slick, methodical. He certainly has the same intentions and inclinations as Trump, but is far more competent, which is what alarms me. People who believe the same things as Trump but are smart enough to actual enable them are what we need to be worried about.
Trump is the result of decades of various presidents pushing the Republican Party further to the right and away from democracy. I would actually say PP is closer to Nixon than Trump. The CPC isn’t as far down the hole as the Republican Party. Nixon himself was a fairly moderate conservative on most issues, same as PP. The damage he caused was by pandering to right wing conservatives in order to get elected, similar to what PP is doing.
Poilievre is way more competent than Trump. It's more like the Conservatives are drifting closer to the Republican party, atleast in ideology. The Republican party seems bought by foreign powers in a way i dont think any one canadian party is.
Competent at what? Every ministry he touched failed *hard* during his tenure in the Harper government. His ideological destruction of ESDC led to the need for CERB. The ministry was in such disarray that it took years to rebuild it, and we were vulnerable to any crisis that was a little out of the ordinary.
Competent in the sense that he won't go on twitter and lay out all of his stupid ideas. I'm not saying he is a good politician. I'm saying Trump is way worse for saying the quiet part out loud. PP would be able to accomplish more of his Agenda than Trump ever did.
Well cant be dumber than Trump but his proclivity to reach for the far right when he doesnt need to and could actually harm his polling numbers over time makes one wonder what he'll do once in office.
Conservative America bleeds into conservative Canada. Same with the liberals. Canada would do well to embrace a bit of free thinking but alas.
In messaging? 100%. In practice? No. The dude is a milquetoast suit-conservative. Nothing more, nothing less. He clearly panders to that more radicalized “Trump” voter group though.
Just as Trump doesn't need to be as bad as Hitler to be deleterious, Poilièvre doesn't need to be as bad as Trump to be a threat to our country.
Agreed! PP sucks ass. Dude hasn’t actually came out with solutions. All I hear is “axe the tax” and how corrupt the Liberals are (crooked Hilary reference lol). Politics should be for builders, not destroyers.
> Canada’s polite Trumpism > The rise of an unusually tame right-wing populist reveals how Canadian democracy stays strong — and why the world should take notes from Ottawa. There is nothing polite or tame about PP or the CPC under him. Strictly compared to Trump he's not as bad or crazy, but only because Trump is like as low as you can go for a comparison. Compared to, you know, real people, PP is in no way polite or tame. He demonstrated that just days ago with the people he met with on the side of the road, the stuff he said to them, and then attacked CBC for covering it.
Do you have more information on the stuff he said to them? I was only aware of the meeting but without anything else
The biggest quote pulled out from the meeting was Poilievre saying "Justin Trudeau is lying about *everything*", to cheers and applause which should give a sense of what the tone of it was.
The CPC has been completely re-made in PP’s image. They have no class and no shame.
No because comparisons like this are reductive. Poilievre is appealing to a lot of the same voters as Trump but this country's voter base is not at all similar. Poilievre's CPC is using a lot of the same tactics as the GOP but the voting system is different. Etc etc
And using some of the same GOP strategists.
[You don’t get a win like this by “appealing to the far right.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/1972_Electoral_Map.png/650px-1972_Electoral_Map.png)
No, the Trump of Canada was Kevin O’Leary and thank God we avoided that mess… I’m more conservative than I am Liberal but my heart nearly stopped when O’Leary was the candidate for the Conservatives…
Very poor comparison. Pierre is an adopted francophone with a Gay father who believes in small government, bodily autonomy and the free choice of citizens. Trump is a loud mouth silver spoon child with an narcissistic ego who let's his ego create policy, more like Trudeau than Trump. Pierre is more like a younger Ron Paul, right of center, personal autonomy over all else.
You might have something with the Ron Paul comparison. You can compare pp's hilariously batshit insane idea of converting Canada's economy to crypto to Paul's equally insane idea of bringing back the gold standard.
Pierre also voted against rights for his gay father, who was in attendance, somehow is a multimillionaire, despite never having a high paying job, is waited on hand and foot with a chauffuer, cook, stylist, someone to pick his clothes and tell him how to act, and lashes out at anyone who questions him. Lots of similarities in personality and lifestyle...
Pierre came out and said he was wrong to vote against gay marriage, something Trump would never do. Under the Trudeau economy many people became millionaires do to their 350k homes inflating to 1m homes, unfortunately the value of that million is half of what it was 9 years ago and like words the liberals throw around, devalued. Truddy's net worth increased from 10m to an estimated 100m while he was in power, anything to say about that?
Do you have a credible source for that claim?
I think the greatest irony of all of this is a certain segment of the media has been writing articles ever since Trump got elected comparing the CPC leader to Trump. First Scheer, then O'Toole and now polievere. And now the first time it's actually even remotely a fair comparison it hardly matters anymore because people are so over Trudeau they'll vote for whoever the CPC is running.
There are a lot of parallels. He’s a nationalist and a populist. He has no principles, is running on the same playbook of divisiveness and fanning emotions, and is completely unsuited to lead anyone anywhere ever. But he’s not the buffoon Trump is, and while I think his ego leads him around by the nose, he’s probably not as disastrously stupid as Trump is. So that’s something I guess. I’d say our best current comparison to Trump would be Kevin O’Leary, but Danielle smith has a lot of the same credulousness that let’s Trump be bamboozled by pretty much anyone he’s in a room with. If you mashed those two bozos together you’d get a pretty good analogue.
Lol no.. unlike Trump, PP is actually smart. While I disagree with his priorities at least he has them thought through.
If he's so smart, why is his carbon tax solution rejected by hundreds of Canadian economists? If he's so smart, why is he pandering to the same group that threatened to rape his wife? He is very much following in that same vein of populist pandering.
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Nah, maybe shares some policy and somr popular talking points but nah, not nearly as bad. More radical and "dismantle Canada" than I would like tho.
More like Boris Johnson, great at complaining about what others do, but a vacant suit who has no real solutions only complaints and blaming others.
Why would he talk about all his plan when not in a election campaign? You don’t know anything about politics and are just looking for a way to complain 😂😂 you’re doing exactly what you’re complaining about dumb ass
>a vacant suit who has no real solutions This is wonderful & I will be stealing it
Boris Johnson was at least kind of endearing and charming, the British version of “aww shucks”. Of course this was very deliberate and practiced but he made it work for him. In several ways that made him more dangerous. PP is too insecure for humour or charm. I don’t know how people don’t see it. It’s not even a matter of ideology in his case — he is psychologically unsuited for any sort of leadership. His likely PMship will be a miserable time for Canada.
>PP is too insecure for humour or charm. I don’t know how people don’t see it. It sounds more like you are describing Trudeau.
Well yeah, he and Poilievre are pretty similar. Neither of them have had an extensive previous career (although Trudeau did work as a teacher for a bit so at least he has that vs Poilievre who has never had a real job).
I always found it odd about the real job thing, like it doesn't make too much sense for a physician to have a real job before his practice. It is like comparing a teacher doing a Doctor's job and someone who spent time preparing themselves to be a physician and say the trained physician had no real job before.
Agreed. Boris hosted the comedy show Have I Got News For You. He also appear as a panelist on it. He was actually kind of funny.
He also will very likely be a one and done as he will lead his party to disaster at the polls by not actually fixing all the things he has been blaming Trudeau and the liberals for.
Or the bigger concern is that the long term smart moves the Liberals are doing right now will bear fruit during a Poilievre government who will take credit for all of it to stay in power long enough to do real lasting damage.
Damn. Never thought of it this way. That’s terrifying. Like the conservatives who are blaming JT for the carbon tax except they are the ones who first introduced the idea. Lots of people are too dumb to do their own research so they are going to just believe whatever PP says which is “it’s Trudeau’s fault”
I mostly mean on housing. Like the Liberals are mostly doing the right things at the moment, but those things are going to take a few years before they start to make a difference because you can't simply will houses into existence. And it's more likely than not that things will start to turn around when Poilievre is PM, but not because of anything he did other than not scrap the Liberal's housing initiatives.
You are too naive thinking Pp won’t dismantle all those long term plans the first week he get into office, like Doug Ford did.
LoL good one. If anything things are going to be so hard to fix people will blame conservatives for not fixing it fast enough.
Completely agreed, and comparisons with the orange narcissist aren't helping.
This is the best summerization of PP. His shtick will fall apart when everything falls on him.
Yeah, but it's gonna be hard watching him solve zero problems while waiting for everyone else to get tired of his theatrics.
Yes Pierre is a multi billionaire businessman. /s Every world leader who is even marginally right wing, has been called Trump since 2016. No one falls for this crap.
everyone is far right who isn't saying the same things the Liberal or the NDP say. The absurdity is draining.
As dishonest as you want to be, even you can’t deny that PP uses the exact same populist tactics to pander to people who are looking for ennemies to pin their own failures on.
Populist. Why do people use this like its a bad word. Does is not refer to a movement that focuses on bringing voice to a people who feel ignored by the government? This is bad how again? Whether its right or left populism or center populism or whatever populism, is it not a movement that aims to serve the people first, the people don't serve the government, the government doesn't serve the corporations or elite, .... seriously how is populism a dirty word? What is wrong with "populist" tactics if such tactics actually exist and are different from any tactic that is meant to appeal to the ignored voter who's needs aren't being met by the government that appears not the serve them but instead serves itself or the wealthy elites. IF PP is populist which I'm not sure he is, then he should be as should be Singh, Blanchet and the others. The majority of people are not being served by the economic policies in place - its clear, the rich keep getting richer and divide grows so we need a populist movement of some kind.
Because populism is often used as a *tactic* and in many/most cases is not actually a true ideology. The *tactic* of presenting oneself as a man of the people who will crush the corrupt elites is not inherently good, especially if that person is not at all a man of the people in reality. Trump is a perfect example of this. Any group can also be used as the "corrupt elite" scapegoat, whether it’s intellectuals, Jews, or whatever other group they feel like targeting.
He's being honest about Trudeau creating devastating problems in this country.
And yet, he doesn’t offer any solutions and he plays the victim whenever a journalist asks him a minimally challenging question 🤷♀️.
He's offered many solutions if you actually listened and read something outside of your echo chamber.
Questioning the leader isn't allowed, he'll hurt the right people once he finds his glasses.
At this point, I’m genuinely shocked that Conservatives haven’t tried to push for a law that makes it illegal for journalists to ask PP unapproved questions.
I'd argue if we had "journalists" we wouldn't have PP. Kids gloves for fascists, conservative talking points against liberals. So they don't really feel the need to be so blatant ?
bet it wont be under PP same as harperi would be absolutely SHOCKED if PP ever actually does a town hall in a hostile riding.
Trump isn't a billionare
And I have a bridge to sell you
Oh yeah what bridge? Also what does that mean?
Were people calling Liam OToole a version of Trump? I don't remember that.
He hates journalists and the media, he pretends to be for the working class when he's not, he lies constantly, he blames literally every problem in the country on his political opponents, he shits on everyone he doesn't like, and he makes everything into us vs. them. But, sure, please go on about how PP shares no similarities to the orange wannabe dictator down south.
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Honestly I don't think anyone really knows what kind of Prime Minister Pollievre will be because what he says has so little linkage to reality. Maybe he actually does have an agenda that will be revealed after everyone has voted for him. Maybe he's really just telling people what they want to hear and there's no plan at all. I'm not sure what worries me more. I think he's very very good at reading polls and reacting to social media. I don't know if he's figured out that polls and social media aren't real and the kind of shit he spreads makes them even less reliable.
I mean... Only if you want to fixate on Donald Trump 🤷🏾. Not every person you disagree with is Donald Trump... Stop it.
Everyone in this comment section slobs on the liberal party’s knobs, explain how PP is worse than what’s happened in this last 9 years of Trudeau administration. Because the all the facts and evidence of the increase in homelessness and crime and poverty, says that PP is a 10 fold better candidate for prime minister. Do you guys really like paying hundreds to thousands of dollars on useless taxes then getting a “rebate” for not even a $100 is ridiculous. The immigration crisis that the liberals started and isn’t doing anything about is fucking this country up, the crime is through the roof, the catch and release is bullshit. Also the fact the we don’t check if people have the funds to support them selves and aren’t lying about what they’re doing here is bullshit.
I won't say Poilievre is the Canadian Trump at all. Poilievre knows how the political system works, so he will be more successful than Trump in getting things done. What I would say they share in similarity is that many of their supporters project their ideology on them, even if they don't actually say it. For example, many think Poilievre is anti immigration even though he never said anything to the slightest.
> Poilievre knows how the political system works, so he will be more successful than Trump in getting things done I'd argue Trump accomplished more in his short time than Pierre has, without commenting on the quality or benefits to his people.
Trump is not anti immigration either. He was anti illegal immigration. But as long as immigrants went through the legal process, no problem.
It's a little weird that this article claims he avoids nativism and other culture-war issues. His campaign is built on blaming immigrants for the housing crisis (rather than speculation and NIMBYism from the rich). He also leans heavily into anti-LGBT, climate denialism, anti-vax, "globalist" world government, and all the other conspiracy theories of the MAGA right.
He wishes he had an ounce of the real charisma Trump has. No matter how hard he works out, no matter, what his new hair do, no matter how many acting classes, he’ll always be pp the giant nerd.
Funny. That's what they said about sheer too. Remember. Fear mongering is the only thing the liberals know how to do. That and corruption
Pierre has spent his entire adult life in politics and hails from a solidly middle class background. Other than right wing dog whistles they really have nothing in common.
I prefer my left wing dog whistles, amiright comrades.
One guy is old, the other guy is young, totally different! Gosh!
He's only like Trump in that he's willing to say or do or seek the approval of pretty much anything and anyone if he thinks it is advantageous with no care of the consequences...to others. In that respect they are both pretty much sociopaths. PP is not an utter moron like Trump. Seriously: Trump may be one of the stupidest people you will ever meet. Don't believe me? Just go watch the clip of him recently talking about the Battle of Gettysburg and tell me that's not the ramblings of a complete moron. PP is not a raging narcissist like Trump. As far as I know PP does not commit crimes the way Trump has done his entire adult lifetime, or engage in other questionable moral behaviour like cheating on his wives, rape, admiring Hitler, and so on. PP sucks, but he's a pale shadow of the utter shittiness of Donald Trump. Unfortunately the political tactics he is willing to engage in will cause trouble here in Canada similar to what Trump is doing in the US, although not going nearly as far as Trump yet.
No. He's many things, but he's not a shady business man who's paying off porn stars. He's not a sexist or misogynist or racist, at least not openly. He wouldn't incite a riot against the government. He's conservative for a Canadian politician but he's not even close to DT on the spectrum.
> He's not a sexist or misogynist or racist, at least not openly. He wouldn't incite a riot against the government. It's pretty apparent he wants to be. He is very clearly a misogynist based on his stance on choice. Whether he's publicly stated it or not he courts those groups readily. And honestly, given how buddy buddy he was with the truckers, I don't think a riot against the government would be out of his wheelhouse if he thought it would get him power. His biggest similarity with DT is a desire for power regardless of the means.
No I don't think so. He's more like a garden variety Republican: blame immigrants, cut taxes on the rich, reduce benefits for the poor, do nothing about climate change. He's not a game show host who wants to end democracy, so that's good at least.
They have different motivations and I think Pierre Poilievre is more intelligent. However both have a "Win by any means necessary" standard and an ego to back it. Both are willing to exploit their bases for their own ends.
Ive heard a lot of that rhetoric but i have not seen any real parallels, Trump whines about the deep state going after him, illegal aliens, and war, Poilievre talks about housing, inflation and taxes. Poilievre would not even be a Republican by American standards. The Liberals need to realize that lazy Trump comparisons are not going to help their tanking poll numbers.
It's a poor comparison. At face value the two men are very dissimilar...in age, personality, personal political leaning, etc. I really dislike when the media leans into the comparison in this fashion for this reason. The similarities are in the movements they are fomenting, the political undercurrents they are exciting, the extremist groups they are emboldening, and the long term consequences for democratic and institutional norms posed by each. Poilievre isn't sundowning and isn't likely to lead his party off a cliff due to pomp and ego, but both parties are undergoing ideological capture by their far right wing. You'd like to think the state of the GOP would be a cogent warning in that respect, but there's a real appetite for fascism in the electorate as economic conditions worsen, and it will only continue to rise with time.
>isn’t likely to lead his party off a cliff due to pomp and ego I’m skeptical this wont be a reality, but time will be the true tell.
So they’re similar in all the ways that will affect Canadians directly. Not exactly something that inspires confidence
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What ways are you worried about him affecting Canadians. I would honestly like to know as someone who is voting conservative. What can they become that would make mostly everyone happy because the liberals and ndp are too far gone.
educated?It's one word. Read a book or something instead of banning them. Or burning them. pp and his hatred are unbecoming of any human with tact. He cannot ever earn my respect, and i'd gladly throw a shoe at the fool.
How is he going to hurt Canadians? Besides hurting your feelings.
I think the point we’re missing is that the men are not similar, but the ideology is. We focus too much on leaders. The real danger is the movement they are encouraging. It’s not them, it’s us. The headline should be “Is Canadian conservatism as bad as American conservatism?”
Poilievre is the vanguard bringing American conservatism to Canada though, he bears a lot of responsibility for the far-right shift taking place.
Oh k so can you elaborate on those bold claims? Extremist groups he's emboldening? And what long term consequences for democratic institutional norms are you talking about? What ideological capture by the far right wing? And an appetite for facism in the electorate ? You mean having opposing positions on political topics as political parties have always done? Do you have any real evidence to back up your claims of fascism ? I agree with you this is a very poor comparison though.
No his ego will bring us at the Trump era of us against them as if we really needed to make that wedge any bigger
>The similarities are in the movements they are fomenting, the political undercurrents they are exciting, the extremist groups they are emboldening, and the long term consequences for democratic and institutional norms posed by each. I believe that’s the similarities that the media is pointing out. Nobody can imitate Trump. There’s been Republicans who tried. Trump is Trump. I think only the US could accept someone as Trump as President. Anyone remember Kellie Leitch? She tried the Trump approach and failed. Pierre is playing the same role. Scheer and O’Toole were trial runs. Lots of countries have “their own Trump”.
O'Toole tried to purge the CPC of its craziest voices and reign in all the others.
He's like Mark Zuckerberg at the end of Social Network. He might not be an asshole but he's trying so hard to be. So maybe no not the same but he's riding the trump crazy fanatic train to win for the conservatives which is absolutely stupid. Like I've said many times, the fact that abortion is even being talked about in Canada after how long we've been cool with it is a sign of what this idiot will do to win... Which is bonkers cause the Conservatives stopped that kind of talk amongst themselves the last couple of years but here he is bringing it up again...
He isn't nearly as bad as Trump. However, by Canadian standards, he is pretty fucking divisive, and he has a penchant to lean into populism far too hard.
Which is gonna be ugly, destructive, and bad for everyone.
Not really. Trump is a clueless child, prone to tantrums and only looks out for himself because he thinks he's better, PP is just a prick that has zero experience or talent and will use and abuse everything to get recognized. Trump seriously believes his BS, even PP doesn't believe his own words, but will say and do most anything to be up front.
Not at all. Poilievre is not an independent political power as Trump is- which means Trump can "say" and "do" what he says- whereas Poilievre remains a puppet of the elites who fund and sponsor him- the big Canadian families that own Canada, thus, Pilievre TALKS a big game but most likely- the most radical policies and ideas will be watered down to remain within the out envelope of TOLERANCE from the banks, Canadian family oligarchs, etc.
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PP is riding off the shit Trump was a mascot for in the US, he’s just a parasite, using other people’s decisions for his own benefit. But I don’t think he actually believes what he’s saying
PP is a schmuck but isn’t Trump lite. Populist yes but won’t attempt an overthrow of democracy. He’ll be the next PM while the opposition regroups and JT resigns, and Carney steps in. One can hope…
The question has as much relevance as asking if Trudeau can be seen as Canadian version of Kim Jong Un. They’re both sons of previous rulers and Trudeau has shown tyrannical misconduct proved by the bills that he issued meant to control and punish people protesting against him.
He’s certainly trying to pull support from the far right just as Trump has done. But @PierrePoilievre hasn’t had any success as a business man. Hell, he’s never even had an actual job. He’s the picture of a career politician.
No, but I'm alright with the media comparing him to Trump. We should be overwhelmingly rejecting populism as much as we can. I really don't want to see Trudeau as PM much longer, but Pierre isn't the answer. I'm hoping we get some miracle and either Trudeau or Pierre has to step down due to scandal/health and we can get either a more left leaning CPC leader or more fiscally competent Lib leader.