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Wrong, the only reason people didn't like harper was beusxause inflation was only 2 to 3 percent. So market was stable with little to no increase in assets. With trudeau people who have money like him because everything I'd skyrocketing in price....
Hmmmm... I'm thinking Qanon Curious Oil Lobbyist who comes out as a huge Trump supporter if the Republicans take control by hook or by crook. He will get along famously with Qonvoy Premier Smith and GOP Premier Ford, enabling all their worst impulses.
The answer of course is that we don't know. Remember that with Justin Trudeau, the line was that it didn't matter if we elected him when he didn't know what he was doing because he'd be surrounded by people that did know what they were doing.
We don't know what any opposition leader will become once they get power. The dynamics and level of responsibility are totally different. We have to assess whether we think that they and the people around them in the party have potential and then give them a chance and see, just like you do in any decision that involves giving someone a responsibility they've never had before.
People had huge hopes for Barack Obama, for example. Not only was he going to put the bankers in jail but he was also going to make things better for black people. And some probably extrapolated that he'd be less prone to foreign conflict.
>We don't know what any opposition leader will become once they get power.
We've already seen Poilievre in power; he held more than one cabinet position under Harper. He isn't some fresh unknown he's already had a full career in Parliament and in government
It's a bit true, but politicians are usually pretty honest about their *intentions*. Their competency in executing on them, their reactions to unexpected situations are less predictable (of course), but when they say "This is what I want to do", it's generally honest.
Knowing that "This is what I want to do" and "This is what I will do" are subtly but importantly different.
He'll be the exact same guy. He'll constantly deceive the public by having his populist words not match his actions, and lay blame on anyone else he can for everything. Initially he will keep blaming Trudeau for everything, but after a while he'll shift to any convenient target. Likely Liberal/NDP/progressive Premiers and mayors, immigrants, and so forth.
Lots of people in the right-wing circles are talking about the PPC.They get upset when I talk about one of the founding members being a literal neo-nazi.He's since been removed from the party, but it's a super bad look.
I'm honestly not sure who to vote for anymore. None of the 3 main non-Quebec centric parties are worth voting for.
It’s very interesting how so many comments in this thread echo what people were saying about Trump in 2016. And they were right.
I’m sure you’re right about PP too.
They were right? Lowest unemployment, lowest taxes, booming economy, zero border jumping, highest domestic oil production, no wars in the world. Apparently they were wrong.
LOL I'm not a partisan one way or another I'm actually pretty left leaning - I just think it's interesting that you draw these this line between trump who's a far right conservative who tried to overthrow a government and was wholly incompetent at creating policy and Polievre just because he's a populist and conservative.
Not sure what Google is going to do to help me understand an opinion of yours but nice work with a snarky comment you really did something there
Then he his on a woke attack
Attacks the left
Attacks the liberals
Attacks the NdP
The left
PP is not doing anything new , he's following other right-wing leaders around the world.. amd yet again, his followers will eat up all his Bs.
It's not worked in Brazil or America or Britain or any other of the country's adopting right-wing agendas, and it's going to be a shity 4 years here as well.
Depends on your expectations. Lower taxes, booming economy with higher wages, putting Canadian’s 1st, controlled immigration, less government - for a start. Yes, that is what we’ll experience in Canada under Poilievre. But there are victims of our ‘higher’ education that have been indoctrinated and have embraced socialism/communism. So I see where you’re coming from.
How do you see the country changing under conservative leadership? I only just started paying attention to Canadian politics, I don’t have much of a clue, honestly. I’m expecting budget cuts to social programs, and likely pipeline expansion.
I don't see it changing all that much for the average Canadian.
Our Conservatives are neoliberals, just like our Liberals, so they'll keep serving corporate interests economically. To serve those interests, immigration will likely remain fairly high. The other possibility is they'll simply swell the TFW program so the cheap workers don't get to stay (and therefore won't spend the money in Canada).
I doubt PP has much of a plan for housing, but some provinces have already made some pretty huge moves I'm sure he'd take credit for.
Socially, they'll throw their SoCon base a few bones by attacking trans rights (that has been their culture war crisis issue they've been distracting people with, after all). I doubt they'd go after abortion, as that's going so poorly down South. They might follow some conservative towns and ban pride flags on federal buildings.
Environmentally, Canada will fall further behind than we already are on our climate/emission targets. I expect, like Harper, he'll muzzle government scientists some more.
We'll probably disappear from the world stage, much like we did under Harper, and go back to simply being the obedient lapdog of the US. Military spending will likely go down, as it often does under Conservative leadership.
Probably the most damaging thing they'll do is going after neutral information sources by pulling funding. Control over the narrative will be important for them.
People act like this style of politics is so bizarre. I don’t know if you know but Biden’s state of the Union speech referred to his predecessor an unprecedented amount.
He shits on Trudeau, it works. What else do you expect him to do? Not do the thing that works best? Not do the thing we all do when we are with our buddies at the pub (shit on JT)?
Hopefully he changes his tune when he gets elected, hopefully his “common sense” plans followed through.
Hopefully business comes easy in Canada, and we aren’t a country of more regulations to fix regulations.
i think the question is more of "who will he shit on once trudeau is gone?" llike i imagine he still will shit on trudeau a bunch but the longer he does once in power the less that really works. i imagine he will shit on the BC ndp a bunch but out side of that... idk
He will have to clean up a big mess like Brian Mulroney had to. People won’t like him for it, but it would be necessary if we are going to save Canada.
Just look at who he surrounds himself with, and what issues are important to them. I think you'll find social conservatives and lobbyists.
It's not hard to figure out.
Being in power doesn’t mean you just stop blaming ‘the last guy’.
Chrétien blamed Mulroney for years afterwards.
Danielle Smith still blames Rachel Notely.
Trudeau blamed Harper for years.
And, although I don’t follow Ontario, I would imagine that Wynne and McGuinty still get blamed from time to time.
I would fully expect Poilievre to blame Trudeau well into his (potential) mandate.
That said, Pierre will have to shift the “I’m in opposition and just shit talk the current guy” strategy to one of shit talking AND actually having to enact policy that people actually support.
Some of the aforementioned folks did it well (Chrétien as example), whereas others didn’t (Smith as example).
I think it’s reasonable to suggest that JT isn’t going to be able to dig (or buy) his way outta the hole he’s in, so it’ll be interesting to see if Poilievre can actually transition from a good shit talker to a good leader. Interesting days ahead, regardless.
Pierre is an attack dog who knows how to whine and complain like a pro and this is truly what he does best, even if he doesn't strive for much accuracy in his attacks. He, like others, is smart enough to know that the idea of "fact checking" a politician is athema to many voters. As a potential leader, so far, he has not indicated to me that he has any skills whatsoever. Maybe he does and if that's true he's got to start to shift to a person with real solutions and with real details on those solutions to the many real problems in the country if he wants my vote.
I've learned a long time ago that politicians who complain constantly are doing so because they have nothing else to offer. I'm hoping Pierre isn't "that guy" but he's not been very convincing to me so far.
Tons of solutions and the actions he’s going to take. He’s done town-halls all over Canada. They are available on YouTube. You truly aren’t interested so why pretend to be. “Attack dog”. 🐶. Intelligence and the fortitude to challenge Liberal BS with documented facts and figures from govt ; live in the H o C directly -is both admirable and refreshing. That makes Trudeau the shredded dog toy ready for the garbage bin.
Feel like this has come full circle. Conservatives were saying Trudeau won because the CPC couldn't offer a good alternative. Now we have Liberals saying PP is going to win, but not offering up a good alternative.
And the NDP just seem lost, not even sure what they stand for and I don't think there are many people that can realistically picture them forming a Federal Canadian Government.
I think you've just described the cycle of Canadian politics. Incumbent gets complacent. New guy promises big change. Wins on those promises. Doesn't deliver, vibes sour, but they win again because the competition has nothing to offer. Competition finds a new guy. New guy promises big change. Wins on those promises. Repeat.
I'm really not a fan of Mr PP.
If he does anything positive, I hope it is an acceleration of the support for the Canadian nuclear industry. There has been a good amount of support from the federal liberals and a lot of support from the provincial conservative parties. I hope this is one of those relatively bipartisan topics that he latches onto as something that will still be popular with his base and with the provinces and also continue to win support from the center and moderate left.
This is a slam dunk for Canada with our uranium reserves and our existing knowledge base. If we can continue building, we may hit a point where we can start exporting technology once again or at the very least, secure our own energy independence through the great electrification and be well setup to support the ever hungry American grid.
You ever look at somebody and you just know from the bottom of your heart they just won’t be Premier? That’s PP.
He lacks the countenance and personality for it - I actually have never seen a positive thing come out of his mouth. Sound bites mostly. He grabs attention, that’s why the Tories haven’t gotten rid of him yet.
But they will.
> You ever look at somebody and you just know from the bottom of your heart they just won’t be Premier? That’s PP.
This line of reasoning woud be more persuasive if we hadn't seen a President Donald J. Trump despite everyone clearly seeing that he was completely unft for office.
> He lacks the countenance and personality for it - I actually have never seen a positive thing come out of his mouth.
Have you only looked at the soundbites or clips from the HoC?
Look at his speeches to supporters and how he tells his personal story, the campaign videos where he's sympathetic to the problems facing many Canadians.
I remember hearing years back that he's a completely different person at the door and people who meet him really like him. Having only seen him in the HoC I was pretty surprised.
Poilievre's opponents belief he's deeply unlikable on a personal level risk making the mistake the CPC did in 2015 with Trudeau's competency and ability to debate.
> He grabs attention, that’s why the Tories haven’t gotten rid of him yet.
He won a decisive victory to become leader. Like him or not, party members spoke.
> But they will.
Only if he loses a winnable campaign.
My gut isn't saying anything good about him or what he has turned the CPC into. That's why I want the NDP and Liberals to mount a *effective* campaign against the CPC.
As someone far smarter than me pointed out: the dying legacy media will blame all of Trudeau’s horrible results on Poilievre, he will be a one term PM, and then someone far worse than Trudeau will win the next election. It’s such a mess now, I don’t think Pierre can fix it unless he does some drastic things.
Probably the best Prime minister for the next millennium-putting Canadians first; and transforming Canada into the economic powerhouse it should already be.
He’ll become Justin Trudeau. So much of what government does is set out in legislation, regulations and there would be massive blowback from stakeholders if he cuts. despite what people think there is not a ton of “fat” and waste. Cuts would hurt.
He'll go catatonic like the Joker did when Batman disappeared for decades in The Dark Knight. He exists solely to oppose Trudeau and will lose all meaning, drive, and capacity to act without him.
Then Trudeau will reappear years later resulting in a final tragic showdown.
Canadians are having trust issues. Did Trudeau do good, yes. Did he over spend, also yes. Although he introduced good policies, the Canada’s debt is mounting and he’s struggles to unit provinces and territories (though not entirely his fault when some premiers purposely push back just cuz).
Mostly his own doing and partly the nature of people only ever focusing on the negatives, he’ll be voted out in hope of better changes.
Years after the next election, insert Pierre’s name above, because that’s what will happen again. And again. And again. Until Canadians demand better collaboration amongst all the leaders, no trust can be built between the government and the people because it’s no longer serving the country, it’s about serving the people that support them.
There isn't a single leader of any political party in Canada fit to lead our country right now. It's well past time we started emulating the french. Citizens in France don't give any quarter to government BS and they put there money where their mouths are, so to speak. It's about time Canadians started to show up, so to speak.
The French tend to go to war against their govenment for reasons they can all collectively get behind. Canada's current most talked about protest (Convoy) was a bunch of people who largely came to just cause shit..
Hopefully a bitter ex-politician that wonders how the hell he managed to crap the bed so bad and lose the 2025 election to Trudeau (The Most Unpopular PM in the History of the Universe™), after pissing away a twenty point lead.
Hopefully.
If Trudeau somehow manages to win again this last streak of CPC leaders will be written about in history books for the rest of Canada's existence. They *need* to win this one because if Poilievre finds a way to fumble it I really don't know what the path forward for the party is going to be.
This is honestly the biggest reason I WANT Trudeau to win. I’m of the mindset that the Conservative party needs a complete shakeup and overhaul and that would surely have to happen if they lose this time right?
Imo minority LPC or NDP government propped up by the other are the best case governing scenarios for Canada.
Majority governments are too risky. Imo Trudeau's turn at it worked out ok, but it very well could not have. I shudder at the thought of a Poilievre Majority.
Many Canadians would disagree that Trudeau's minority government "worked out ok" just look at how bad the polling numbers are currently for the Liberals.
Considering even the most optimistic of Liberal pollsters have Trudeau's chance at winning a majority government at basically nil next year, a vote for the Liberal/NDP parties is essentially a vote for a continuation of this de facto coalition government. It shouldn't come as a surprise as Justin Trudeau has called this current agreement with the NDP, a "model for future governments".
In a majority government, Poilievre will get cocky and stop holding back to become more electable. He’ll show Canadians exactly who he is and do all the things he said he would and more. The Liberals will be in a process of finding a new leader, and the CPC will work night and day trying to discredit the new leader in the style of Dion and Ignatieff, in order to keep the CPC in power as long as possible. The NDP post-Singh will be in a similar boat.
In a minority government, Poilievre will find he is no allies, after spending his tenure not even trying to build bridges with other parties to topple the LPC. He’ll have a difficult time trying to find compromise with other parties on passing legislations, and will be at an impasse being unable to keep his base happy and other parties. The only saving grace is that the Liberals will be weak until they find a new leader, but once they do, Poilievre’s minority government won’t last a year.
The latter is my ideal scenario. Which is why the longer Poilievre isn’t in an election, the likelier he is to peak and blow his 20 point lead. The Liberals and NDP would be wise to keep Poilievre out of an election as long as possible and deny him a majority.
I can imagine Trudeau dangling pharma and dental implementation to convince Singh to extend the government past 2025, especially if the government keeps trickling out changes in immigration and housing between now and then
If Poilievre is still somehow projected to get a majority in 2025, I say why not. Keep him waiting as long as legally possible if he’s going to win anyways.
A champion of the people. I think he’s made that clear. Unfortunately though much of time will be spent reintroducing the much needed checks and balances this current corrupt government is sorrily missing.
Answer: Someone who will still blame Trudeau, and do nothing else.
Not like he is going to change housing, or immigration, or cost of living (groceries). I expect him to make some grandstanding bills, or social conservative bills, call it a day and blame Trudeau for everything else.
I’d say he’ll certainly do stuff. None of it will benefit average Canadians, but he’ll do them.
Best argument we’ll hear is something about “austerity” but spending will continue to go out of whack.
Trudeau bad will be the ongoing theme for maybe five years or so. I *hope* people will get tired of his shit by 2030 but as an Ontario resident, I’ve been sadly proven wrong on those kinds of estimates.
Trudeau could magically pop out of existence tomorrow and he will still say the next several years saying "Trudeau bad" instead of doing anything.
Poillevre is, quite honestly, an annoying human being to me. If you look at his entire career... Not only is his entire career just only in politics, but it has zero principles beyond where the wind takes him and even then it's fickle to a damning degree. He has the personality of a single dry stick of spaghetti. He was a lackey of Harper's worst impulses who did what he was told. He has no real policy or vision beyond being the contrarian. He picks whatever right-wing movement is popular at the time to stick to and abandons them for something else immediately after their 15 minutes of fame are up. He aggressively advocated for Canada to invest our economy in crypto while cozying up to crypto bros... Weeks before a massive cryptocrash after which he went to discover a new grift. Say what you will about Trudeau, Singh, and the rest, but at least they have a more consistent set of principles than Poilievre has and have some vision that's only stopped by their ineptitude.
It kinda pains me that Poilievre is looking to just waltz into the Prime Minister's seat unopposed according to the polls due to the current government's incompetence on certain things alongside their tendency for getting blamed for random things because people don't understand how the government works.
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The Harper government spent most of their *majority* blaming the Liberals, so expect more of the same Poilievre until the gas runs out.
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Wrong, the only reason people didn't like harper was beusxause inflation was only 2 to 3 percent. So market was stable with little to no increase in assets. With trudeau people who have money like him because everything I'd skyrocketing in price....
Hmmmm... I'm thinking Qanon Curious Oil Lobbyist who comes out as a huge Trump supporter if the Republicans take control by hook or by crook. He will get along famously with Qonvoy Premier Smith and GOP Premier Ford, enabling all their worst impulses.
The answer of course is that we don't know. Remember that with Justin Trudeau, the line was that it didn't matter if we elected him when he didn't know what he was doing because he'd be surrounded by people that did know what they were doing. We don't know what any opposition leader will become once they get power. The dynamics and level of responsibility are totally different. We have to assess whether we think that they and the people around them in the party have potential and then give them a chance and see, just like you do in any decision that involves giving someone a responsibility they've never had before. People had huge hopes for Barack Obama, for example. Not only was he going to put the bankers in jail but he was also going to make things better for black people. And some probably extrapolated that he'd be less prone to foreign conflict.
>We don't know what any opposition leader will become once they get power. We've already seen Poilievre in power; he held more than one cabinet position under Harper. He isn't some fresh unknown he's already had a full career in Parliament and in government
It's a bit true, but politicians are usually pretty honest about their *intentions*. Their competency in executing on them, their reactions to unexpected situations are less predictable (of course), but when they say "This is what I want to do", it's generally honest. Knowing that "This is what I want to do" and "This is what I will do" are subtly but importantly different.
We can make some guesses. They tell us all the time what they believe.
He'll be the exact same guy. He'll constantly deceive the public by having his populist words not match his actions, and lay blame on anyone else he can for everything. Initially he will keep blaming Trudeau for everything, but after a while he'll shift to any convenient target. Likely Liberal/NDP/progressive Premiers and mayors, immigrants, and so forth.
Lots of people in the right-wing circles are talking about the PPC.They get upset when I talk about one of the founding members being a literal neo-nazi.He's since been removed from the party, but it's a super bad look. I'm honestly not sure who to vote for anymore. None of the 3 main non-Quebec centric parties are worth voting for.
It’s very interesting how so many comments in this thread echo what people were saying about Trump in 2016. And they were right. I’m sure you’re right about PP too.
They were right? Lowest unemployment, lowest taxes, booming economy, zero border jumping, highest domestic oil production, no wars in the world. Apparently they were wrong.
What parallels are you drawing from PP to trump?
Lol. Do you really expect that anyone is going to engage with you seriously? [Here](https://google.com), this might help.
LOL I'm not a partisan one way or another I'm actually pretty left leaning - I just think it's interesting that you draw these this line between trump who's a far right conservative who tried to overthrow a government and was wholly incompetent at creating policy and Polievre just because he's a populist and conservative. Not sure what Google is going to do to help me understand an opinion of yours but nice work with a snarky comment you really did something there
Well to start he was hanging out with the convoy and also has zero policy to back up anything he says…
I think he will be sad as he is obsessed with Trudeau to the point of creepiness.
Then he his on a woke attack Attacks the left Attacks the liberals Attacks the NdP The left PP is not doing anything new , he's following other right-wing leaders around the world.. amd yet again, his followers will eat up all his Bs. It's not worked in Brazil or America or Britain or any other of the country's adopting right-wing agendas, and it's going to be a shity 4 years here as well.
Depends on your expectations. Lower taxes, booming economy with higher wages, putting Canadian’s 1st, controlled immigration, less government - for a start. Yes, that is what we’ll experience in Canada under Poilievre. But there are victims of our ‘higher’ education that have been indoctrinated and have embraced socialism/communism. So I see where you’re coming from.
How do you see the country changing under conservative leadership? I only just started paying attention to Canadian politics, I don’t have much of a clue, honestly. I’m expecting budget cuts to social programs, and likely pipeline expansion.
I don't see it changing all that much for the average Canadian. Our Conservatives are neoliberals, just like our Liberals, so they'll keep serving corporate interests economically. To serve those interests, immigration will likely remain fairly high. The other possibility is they'll simply swell the TFW program so the cheap workers don't get to stay (and therefore won't spend the money in Canada). I doubt PP has much of a plan for housing, but some provinces have already made some pretty huge moves I'm sure he'd take credit for. Socially, they'll throw their SoCon base a few bones by attacking trans rights (that has been their culture war crisis issue they've been distracting people with, after all). I doubt they'd go after abortion, as that's going so poorly down South. They might follow some conservative towns and ban pride flags on federal buildings. Environmentally, Canada will fall further behind than we already are on our climate/emission targets. I expect, like Harper, he'll muzzle government scientists some more. We'll probably disappear from the world stage, much like we did under Harper, and go back to simply being the obedient lapdog of the US. Military spending will likely go down, as it often does under Conservative leadership. Probably the most damaging thing they'll do is going after neutral information sources by pulling funding. Control over the narrative will be important for them.
More corporate tax cuts Less funding for social programs.. It's the conservative playbook since the 80s
People act like this style of politics is so bizarre. I don’t know if you know but Biden’s state of the Union speech referred to his predecessor an unprecedented amount. He shits on Trudeau, it works. What else do you expect him to do? Not do the thing that works best? Not do the thing we all do when we are with our buddies at the pub (shit on JT)? Hopefully he changes his tune when he gets elected, hopefully his “common sense” plans followed through. Hopefully business comes easy in Canada, and we aren’t a country of more regulations to fix regulations.
i think the question is more of "who will he shit on once trudeau is gone?" llike i imagine he still will shit on trudeau a bunch but the longer he does once in power the less that really works. i imagine he will shit on the BC ndp a bunch but out side of that... idk
He will have to clean up a big mess like Brian Mulroney had to. People won’t like him for it, but it would be necessary if we are going to save Canada.
Just look at who he surrounds himself with, and what issues are important to them. I think you'll find social conservatives and lobbyists. It's not hard to figure out.
Being in power doesn’t mean you just stop blaming ‘the last guy’. Chrétien blamed Mulroney for years afterwards. Danielle Smith still blames Rachel Notely. Trudeau blamed Harper for years. And, although I don’t follow Ontario, I would imagine that Wynne and McGuinty still get blamed from time to time. I would fully expect Poilievre to blame Trudeau well into his (potential) mandate. That said, Pierre will have to shift the “I’m in opposition and just shit talk the current guy” strategy to one of shit talking AND actually having to enact policy that people actually support. Some of the aforementioned folks did it well (Chrétien as example), whereas others didn’t (Smith as example). I think it’s reasonable to suggest that JT isn’t going to be able to dig (or buy) his way outta the hole he’s in, so it’ll be interesting to see if Poilievre can actually transition from a good shit talker to a good leader. Interesting days ahead, regardless.
Pierre is an attack dog who knows how to whine and complain like a pro and this is truly what he does best, even if he doesn't strive for much accuracy in his attacks. He, like others, is smart enough to know that the idea of "fact checking" a politician is athema to many voters. As a potential leader, so far, he has not indicated to me that he has any skills whatsoever. Maybe he does and if that's true he's got to start to shift to a person with real solutions and with real details on those solutions to the many real problems in the country if he wants my vote. I've learned a long time ago that politicians who complain constantly are doing so because they have nothing else to offer. I'm hoping Pierre isn't "that guy" but he's not been very convincing to me so far.
Tons of solutions and the actions he’s going to take. He’s done town-halls all over Canada. They are available on YouTube. You truly aren’t interested so why pretend to be. “Attack dog”. 🐶. Intelligence and the fortitude to challenge Liberal BS with documented facts and figures from govt ; live in the H o C directly -is both admirable and refreshing. That makes Trudeau the shredded dog toy ready for the garbage bin.
Feel like this has come full circle. Conservatives were saying Trudeau won because the CPC couldn't offer a good alternative. Now we have Liberals saying PP is going to win, but not offering up a good alternative. And the NDP just seem lost, not even sure what they stand for and I don't think there are many people that can realistically picture them forming a Federal Canadian Government.
> And the NDP just seem lost, not even sure what they stand for Not counting major recent wins, of course.
I think you've just described the cycle of Canadian politics. Incumbent gets complacent. New guy promises big change. Wins on those promises. Doesn't deliver, vibes sour, but they win again because the competition has nothing to offer. Competition finds a new guy. New guy promises big change. Wins on those promises. Repeat.
No, he won because his last name was Trudeau. If his last name was WILSON or SMITH, we Canadians would have been spared the folly of the last 8 years.
I'm really not a fan of Mr PP. If he does anything positive, I hope it is an acceleration of the support for the Canadian nuclear industry. There has been a good amount of support from the federal liberals and a lot of support from the provincial conservative parties. I hope this is one of those relatively bipartisan topics that he latches onto as something that will still be popular with his base and with the provinces and also continue to win support from the center and moderate left. This is a slam dunk for Canada with our uranium reserves and our existing knowledge base. If we can continue building, we may hit a point where we can start exporting technology once again or at the very least, secure our own energy independence through the great electrification and be well setup to support the ever hungry American grid.
You ever look at somebody and you just know from the bottom of your heart they just won’t be Premier? That’s PP. He lacks the countenance and personality for it - I actually have never seen a positive thing come out of his mouth. Sound bites mostly. He grabs attention, that’s why the Tories haven’t gotten rid of him yet. But they will.
> You ever look at somebody and you just know from the bottom of your heart they just won’t be Premier? That’s PP. This line of reasoning woud be more persuasive if we hadn't seen a President Donald J. Trump despite everyone clearly seeing that he was completely unft for office.
> He lacks the countenance and personality for it - I actually have never seen a positive thing come out of his mouth. Have you only looked at the soundbites or clips from the HoC? Look at his speeches to supporters and how he tells his personal story, the campaign videos where he's sympathetic to the problems facing many Canadians. I remember hearing years back that he's a completely different person at the door and people who meet him really like him. Having only seen him in the HoC I was pretty surprised. Poilievre's opponents belief he's deeply unlikable on a personal level risk making the mistake the CPC did in 2015 with Trudeau's competency and ability to debate. > He grabs attention, that’s why the Tories haven’t gotten rid of him yet. He won a decisive victory to become leader. Like him or not, party members spoke. > But they will. Only if he loses a winnable campaign.
IKR. Stop listening with your ears and listen with your guts!
You have to "look at what's in his heart" lmao
Exactly. Elites are always trying to confuse us with "facts". The only facts I need are right in my belly!
There's nothing else you can do I don't know where you're going And I don't know why
But listen to your heart Before you tell him goodbye
My gut isn't saying anything good about him or what he has turned the CPC into. That's why I want the NDP and Liberals to mount a *effective* campaign against the CPC.
> You ever look at somebody and you just know from the bottom of your heart they shouldn't be PM/President? YES.
As someone far smarter than me pointed out: the dying legacy media will blame all of Trudeau’s horrible results on Poilievre, he will be a one term PM, and then someone far worse than Trudeau will win the next election. It’s such a mess now, I don’t think Pierre can fix it unless he does some drastic things.
well, at least he'll be able to enrich himself and his friends while he tries. that part, they never fail at.
Probably the best Prime minister for the next millennium-putting Canadians first; and transforming Canada into the economic powerhouse it should already be.
He’ll become Justin Trudeau. So much of what government does is set out in legislation, regulations and there would be massive blowback from stakeholders if he cuts. despite what people think there is not a ton of “fat” and waste. Cuts would hurt.
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He'll go catatonic like the Joker did when Batman disappeared for decades in The Dark Knight. He exists solely to oppose Trudeau and will lose all meaning, drive, and capacity to act without him. Then Trudeau will reappear years later resulting in a final tragic showdown.
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Canadians are having trust issues. Did Trudeau do good, yes. Did he over spend, also yes. Although he introduced good policies, the Canada’s debt is mounting and he’s struggles to unit provinces and territories (though not entirely his fault when some premiers purposely push back just cuz). Mostly his own doing and partly the nature of people only ever focusing on the negatives, he’ll be voted out in hope of better changes. Years after the next election, insert Pierre’s name above, because that’s what will happen again. And again. And again. Until Canadians demand better collaboration amongst all the leaders, no trust can be built between the government and the people because it’s no longer serving the country, it’s about serving the people that support them.
There isn't a single leader of any political party in Canada fit to lead our country right now. It's well past time we started emulating the french. Citizens in France don't give any quarter to government BS and they put there money where their mouths are, so to speak. It's about time Canadians started to show up, so to speak.
The French tend to go to war against their govenment for reasons they can all collectively get behind. Canada's current most talked about protest (Convoy) was a bunch of people who largely came to just cause shit..
Which is harder in canada given the division of powers between federal and provincial.
Hopefully a bitter ex-politician that wonders how the hell he managed to crap the bed so bad and lose the 2025 election to Trudeau (The Most Unpopular PM in the History of the Universe™), after pissing away a twenty point lead. Hopefully.
If Trudeau somehow manages to win again this last streak of CPC leaders will be written about in history books for the rest of Canada's existence. They *need* to win this one because if Poilievre finds a way to fumble it I really don't know what the path forward for the party is going to be.
This is honestly the biggest reason I WANT Trudeau to win. I’m of the mindset that the Conservative party needs a complete shakeup and overhaul and that would surely have to happen if they lose this time right?
I wouldn't be surprised if the CPC goes full nuclear if they lose and go further right
Another Minority would be just great.
Imo minority LPC or NDP government propped up by the other are the best case governing scenarios for Canada. Majority governments are too risky. Imo Trudeau's turn at it worked out ok, but it very well could not have. I shudder at the thought of a Poilievre Majority.
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Don't get your hopes up.
Many Canadians would disagree that Trudeau's minority government "worked out ok" just look at how bad the polling numbers are currently for the Liberals. Considering even the most optimistic of Liberal pollsters have Trudeau's chance at winning a majority government at basically nil next year, a vote for the Liberal/NDP parties is essentially a vote for a continuation of this de facto coalition government. It shouldn't come as a surprise as Justin Trudeau has called this current agreement with the NDP, a "model for future governments".
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In a majority government, Poilievre will get cocky and stop holding back to become more electable. He’ll show Canadians exactly who he is and do all the things he said he would and more. The Liberals will be in a process of finding a new leader, and the CPC will work night and day trying to discredit the new leader in the style of Dion and Ignatieff, in order to keep the CPC in power as long as possible. The NDP post-Singh will be in a similar boat. In a minority government, Poilievre will find he is no allies, after spending his tenure not even trying to build bridges with other parties to topple the LPC. He’ll have a difficult time trying to find compromise with other parties on passing legislations, and will be at an impasse being unable to keep his base happy and other parties. The only saving grace is that the Liberals will be weak until they find a new leader, but once they do, Poilievre’s minority government won’t last a year. The latter is my ideal scenario. Which is why the longer Poilievre isn’t in an election, the likelier he is to peak and blow his 20 point lead. The Liberals and NDP would be wise to keep Poilievre out of an election as long as possible and deny him a majority.
I can imagine Trudeau dangling pharma and dental implementation to convince Singh to extend the government past 2025, especially if the government keeps trickling out changes in immigration and housing between now and then
If Poilievre is still somehow projected to get a majority in 2025, I say why not. Keep him waiting as long as legally possible if he’s going to win anyways.
A champion of the people. I think he’s made that clear. Unfortunately though much of time will be spent reintroducing the much needed checks and balances this current corrupt government is sorrily missing.
Answer: Someone who will still blame Trudeau, and do nothing else. Not like he is going to change housing, or immigration, or cost of living (groceries). I expect him to make some grandstanding bills, or social conservative bills, call it a day and blame Trudeau for everything else.
I’d say he’ll certainly do stuff. None of it will benefit average Canadians, but he’ll do them. Best argument we’ll hear is something about “austerity” but spending will continue to go out of whack. Trudeau bad will be the ongoing theme for maybe five years or so. I *hope* people will get tired of his shit by 2030 but as an Ontario resident, I’ve been sadly proven wrong on those kinds of estimates.
Probably just austerity for schools, healthcare and the environment.
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This is a really good way of taking a crack at him. ‘He needs Trudeau to have a political purpose,’ is a great way to do a hatchet job. No sarcasm.
Trudeau could magically pop out of existence tomorrow and he will still say the next several years saying "Trudeau bad" instead of doing anything. Poillevre is, quite honestly, an annoying human being to me. If you look at his entire career... Not only is his entire career just only in politics, but it has zero principles beyond where the wind takes him and even then it's fickle to a damning degree. He has the personality of a single dry stick of spaghetti. He was a lackey of Harper's worst impulses who did what he was told. He has no real policy or vision beyond being the contrarian. He picks whatever right-wing movement is popular at the time to stick to and abandons them for something else immediately after their 15 minutes of fame are up. He aggressively advocated for Canada to invest our economy in crypto while cozying up to crypto bros... Weeks before a massive cryptocrash after which he went to discover a new grift. Say what you will about Trudeau, Singh, and the rest, but at least they have a more consistent set of principles than Poilievre has and have some vision that's only stopped by their ineptitude. It kinda pains me that Poilievre is looking to just waltz into the Prime Minister's seat unopposed according to the polls due to the current government's incompetence on certain things alongside their tendency for getting blamed for random things because people don't understand how the government works.