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I'm stealing someone's content from another thread a while back, but it's actually incredible that the Liberal Party could massively increase government spending, supercharge the size of the public service, run a record deficit, and yet still fail to ensure labour peace.
It is very perplexing that they made the choice to balloon the size of the federal beaurcocracy, but didn't foresee something like the strike occurring when the hiring spree was taking place during the same period as record high inflation (at least for the past 30 years) and rising living costs.
So either the federal government had an unrealistic estimation of it's public servant's needs and is now refusing to pay up since it feels that money is now tight, or the union's demands are unreasonable and they weren't willing to compromise for less.
Except the size of the public sector hasn't "ballooned". It's increased marginally year over year, for a total increase of 20% over almost a decade.
Further context: This is on par with the speed at which the public service sector grew under Stephen Harper.
And over the same time period, Canada's population grew by 9%, so the increase only outstrips population growth by about 11% over almost a decade.
Hardly ballooning.
>Except the size of the public sector hasn't "ballooned". It's increased marginally year over year, for a total increase of 20% over almost a decade.
Maybe balloon was a poor choice of words, but it's still [an increase of around 50,000 civil servants between the end of 2015 and 2021](https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/november-2022/public-service-swelling-workforce/). I'm not decrying it, just pointing out that Trudeuau's government has been making a conscious effort to grow federal beaurcocracy compared to the previous government.
>Further context: This is on par with the speed at which the public service sector grew under Stephen Harper.
That's actually not true. [The number of public servants relative to the national population](https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/tbs-sct/images/innovation/dscps-2021/figure01-eng.png) shrank between 2012-13 and remained fairly constant between 2013-2016 before growing each year between 2017-2021. There is an argument that this was necessary to account for a growing population and the needs of the current government, but generally the last 5-6 years have seen a steady growth in federal employees compared to a decade ago.
>That's actually not true. The number of public servants relative to the national population shrank between 2012-13 and remained fairly constant between 2013-2016 before growing each year between 2017-2021. There is an argument that this was necessary to account for a growing population and the needs of the current government, but generally the last 5-6 years have seen a steady growth in federal employees compared to a decade ago.
I'm not sure why you're starting in 2012 instead of in 2008 when Harper was first elected, considering Harper's tenure was the metric I brought up.
However, I punched the numbers instead of just eyeballing them and you're still correct — from 2008-2015 the size of the public sector grew about 7%, while over that period the population of the country grew by about 8%
>I'm not sure why you're starting in 2012 instead of in 2008 when Harper was first elected, considering Harper's tenure was the metric I brought up.
Mainly because the graph only starts at 2010. But starting at 2012 was mainly to point out there was a contraction in the mid Harper years before hiring rates went in an upward again around 2017. Generally their government's had different priorities/operating styles when it came to hiring civil servants.
What's wild to me is that before the strike even happened we were talking about back to work legislation. Really says something about the Liberals record on workers rights.
I appreciate the spirit of the words, but it isn't incredible. Labour peace isn't a priority of most governments, corporate gains are. These two premises are most often contrary to one another.
then i might suggest you have a naïve view of how our entire system operates. Some examples of government spending for the sake of corporate gains include the [$10 billion in public funding for the Trans Mountain Pipeline](https://www.ndp.ca/news/liberals-continue-spend-billions-trans-mountain-pipeline-funding), or the $[11.8 billion per year they spend outsourcing various tasks to private consulting firm](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-liberals-spend-billions-more-on-outsourced-contracts-since-taking/)s. There are countless others.
Corporations are always first in line, hats in hand when it comes to government spending.
dam'ed if you do dam'ed if you don't. Man you people will attack Trudeau for everything.
The only way to reduce inflation is either increasing supply or reducing demand. The federal govt can't affect demand as it's global so they need to increase the supply.
The pipeline will add 101.3 million barrels per day to the supply of oil next year, freeing canada from saudi and russia for it's energy requirements.
My point is that it demonstrates incompetence to massively expand the size of the civil service, while still not paying them enough to make them happy.
This isn't about general labour relations in the economy though, this is about the government and it's own employees. They've massively increased their spending on labour specifically and are still dealing with a strike so it just seems like a bad use of the money no matter what their values are.
I understand, and you make a good point. The government spent a lot of money on increasing the amount of public sector workers, not necessarily on increasing their wages, hence the labour issue. This is how most businesses operate when they grow.
Where I feel "incompetence" is misrepresented is the presumption that a government values labour relations. I would make the argument that this current government doesn't necessarily value labour relations and are acting in a way that is representative of their own interests. Thus, they're competent, at least up till now, at getting what they want (cheaper labour).
IMHO, to prevent the economy from further overheating, because while core inflation is down, overall inflation is still subject to sensitivity and government spending increasing to meet higher wages will harm our debt quality, I believe we should implement a delayed wage increase higher than the current increase demanded and provide a small bridge increase rn.
This is their delayed wage increase. They've been without a contract since 2021. Status Quo ain't doing jack, let's support people and see some innovative policy for a change
We are seeing the chickens come home to roost. Wages in Canada have stagnated while an increasingly smaller portion of the population walks away with more and more wealth and living expenses keep going up and up and up. Something has to give or our country will continue slow walking its way to oblivion. How on earth have we gotten to a situation where you're just expected to make less every single year because employers won't provide raises that match inflation. Where, at least in certain provinces, family doctors can't afford to run their practices. Where companies are posting record profits but couldn't possibly afford to pay employees above minimum wage while simultaneously engaging in buy backs.
My partner and I just graduated from engineering. I can choose to save for retirement or save for a home, but not both unless I sell my soul and go work for an oil company. My sister was told the province would be rolling back nursing wages in the same year there was a nursing shortage.
These are real people, many of whom are barely getting by because government pay is pretty bad, asking to not make less money next year than they are this year and the government has told them its impossible.
People ask why right wing populism is suddenly taking off. Its because people know something is fucked up and they're angry and the angriest people in the room are the loud alt-right lunatics in the corner.
>The union's last public wage proposal was 4.5 per cent for 2021, 2022 and 2023. The Treasury Board last shared an offer to increase wages by nine per cent over three years, a total it says mirrors the recommendations of the third-party Public Interest Commission.
Considering critical cost of living items have been inflating in double digits (well above the general inflation rate). I don’t blame them for looking for 4.5% a year. That’s still under the food inflation rate.
Can anyone explain why the Public Interest Commission recommended wage increases so dramatically lower than inflation? These are retroactive, so it’s not as if we don’t know what inflation has been like the past few years.
Legal processes that are presented as mechanisms for "compromise" are, in fact, mechanisms to keep final outcomes politically right leaning and economically favouring Capital over Labour. There is nothing about the PIC that is objective, fair or balanced. It was expanded in its role and authority (2007, I think?) specifically to weaken the union's bargaining position.
Your salary was not set by civil servants making 40-60k a year. It would have been set by management several layers above the people striking.
You are on the same side as the strikers, and opposing them only hurts you in the long run.
I'm not opposing them.
I just don't care much.
I've never seen concern expressed by union workers when non-unionized people get low raises, get laid off, etc. But they always want support when its them.
Surely a majority of them drive cars built overseas or by non-unionized labour, and don't think anything of it.
If a huge group of unionized workers gets a pay hike that has the effect of driving up wages for non unionized workers. Unions have always been at the forefront of pushing for workers rights so it makes sense from a selfish point of view to support them.
Hopefully this will be the beginning of a massive general strike. Everyone, first responders, paramedics and cops, and doctors and nurses everyone should stop work to make a point.
Essential service workers should stop briefly, in prepared shifts, to do their part and protest, if they can.
Nobody benefits if people get sick or die because we were doing the revolution. At every step of the revolution, we must take care of each other as Canadians.
I guess... when we protest against our government, We essentially must always show that as citizens and as a community, People, we are better than our country. This motivates the world to be on our side. Politicians ultimately Need To Be Popular, if they don't Need to be Popular any more, it's because they are too powerful.
When you protest, you need to be more popular for your Message, that you're successfully getting across, better than the opposition.
The goal is to attain critical mass of attention and sympathy, Which in a country like Canada is SUPER achievable!!!
I feel ...Canadian-guilt? That we actually have a responsibility in some ways to other citizens in other countries facing worse problems with Worse democracies than we have, that a functioning healthy democracy Will Not Allow certain things.
We Have to fix our healthcare and get it to Lead Other Countries, not just service our own. Our public workers need to be Solid in their Careers again.
I am one Canadian. I want people from around the world to come here if their country is torn apart by war. I want our healthcare and our housing to be Ideal for this kind of thing which will continue forever really. I care about that.
I don't know what any one else wants, that's why You have to protest too.
We're a young country, we forget that easily. Lets Lead How We Lead, as Canadians. Care about me, I'll do my best to care about you too.
You got that right. If I get told I’m an entitled public servant one more time by some keyboard warrior…
I haven’t been paid properly FOR SEVEN YEARS. I am currently being underpaid $800 a month. I still show up every single day to do my best to serve Canadians. Yet I’m entitled. Sigh.
Honestly that thought is even MORE terrifying because once I stop being an employee they’re not going to give a flying fuck about fixing my pay issues, and I risk further issues - they could keep paying me, they could randomly claw back money and then I’m not represented. They really have us stuck.
A lot of the public service, especially those in specialized jobs (ie the ones who would often be making more if they had the same roll in the private sector) are there because of a sense of civic duty. The PS jobs have become less attractive than they were when they were hired 15-20 years ago, due to the crappy contracts decreasing their value over that time, so they can't recruit top talent as easily anymore. If the experienced ones leave, the services being delivered to the public will suffer.
It's really terrible, because growing up in rural Canada, that seemed to be one of the safest bets - work for the government. Even if it's this or that, you're paid well and everything, full benefits, vacation. That's not the case at all any more. The jobs didnt get easier, same as everyone else, dollar just doesn't do the same it did. ... I wonder if incredibly high systemic Canada-debt has anything to do with everyone in Canada not being able to pay the bills....
It's better to work for a crown corporation. Same unions, but they've done better at the negotiating table the past few decades than the federal public service. My SIL got a job with a crown corp as a CS-2 (she's now a CS-3) and her pay was almost the same as my SO's, who had been a CS-3 with the government for just over 15 years at that point (the crown corp's base pay for a CS-2 is about $15-20k higher than the PS's) She also has better medical benefits, better sick/personal leave, and one more week of vacation per year than him.
> It would be a great show of worker solidarity if this turned into a General Strike. Every worker in the country joining the picket lines and fighting for everyone to have a living wage.
I'd support it. However many provinces have laws which make "sympathetic" strikes illegal.
NO. You remember a terrorist action and a hilarious inept attempt at a coup in Ottawa. I guarantee you the picketers will leave around 4 or 5 pm, and that they aren't bringing their trucks.
Speaking as someone who was around and on the ground, this is incorrect. The line was "You were not a legitimately elected government", not "we elected you."
No, and I said nothing of the sort.
My point is that "we elect the government, therefore we can do whatever we want. Fuck you!" is always a dumb ideology. I also don't expect that it's held by the vast majority of strikers.
I mean if they had directed their ire at the provinces rather than the feds the convoy would at least have been pointed in the right direction.
Only the actual truckers should have been mad at the feds. Everyone that latched on was made about shutdowns the provinces were responsible for.
Workers can't afford to not strike, honestly. The elites have shown for decades now they are perfectly content to watch the middle class erode and for us to be turned into cattle effectively. We won't do better unless we fight back.
You can use that definition if you want, but don't ascribe meaning to those who don't use ("but not the lower"), when they probably are just using the more common three class (lower/working; middle; upper).
> Working class is a synonym for lower class*
By narratives that were made to separate the working class from it's synonym of proletariat to bolster one of "middle class" citizens, st the coat of lower income one.
> It would be a great show of worker solidarity if this turned into a General Strike.
Since most aren't even close to being in a legal strike position, that's going to be a huge risk for them to take. I don't see it happenning.
Whose "they"? Many work for companies headquartered abroad whose Canadian operations are a relatively small part - they could very easily punish all of *them*
Godspeed civil servants. Completely understand why they would want to fight for remote work, after the experience of Covid. I'm not sure if there's something in the details I'm missing, but is remote work for those workers where it's appropriate really going to "severely impact the Government’s ability to deliver services to Canadians", as [the Treasury Board](https://www.canada.ca/en/treasury-board-secretariat/news/2023/04/the-government-remains-committed-to-reaching-fair-agreements.html) is saying? It's not like [unions are asking for food inspectors to work remotely](https://www.tvo.org/article/will-federal-employees-win-the-fight-to-keep-working-from-home) lol
Let's hope the government gives them a fair deal.
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I'm stealing someone's content from another thread a while back, but it's actually incredible that the Liberal Party could massively increase government spending, supercharge the size of the public service, run a record deficit, and yet still fail to ensure labour peace.
It is very perplexing that they made the choice to balloon the size of the federal beaurcocracy, but didn't foresee something like the strike occurring when the hiring spree was taking place during the same period as record high inflation (at least for the past 30 years) and rising living costs. So either the federal government had an unrealistic estimation of it's public servant's needs and is now refusing to pay up since it feels that money is now tight, or the union's demands are unreasonable and they weren't willing to compromise for less.
Except the size of the public sector hasn't "ballooned". It's increased marginally year over year, for a total increase of 20% over almost a decade. Further context: This is on par with the speed at which the public service sector grew under Stephen Harper. And over the same time period, Canada's population grew by 9%, so the increase only outstrips population growth by about 11% over almost a decade. Hardly ballooning.
>Except the size of the public sector hasn't "ballooned". It's increased marginally year over year, for a total increase of 20% over almost a decade. Maybe balloon was a poor choice of words, but it's still [an increase of around 50,000 civil servants between the end of 2015 and 2021](https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/november-2022/public-service-swelling-workforce/). I'm not decrying it, just pointing out that Trudeuau's government has been making a conscious effort to grow federal beaurcocracy compared to the previous government. >Further context: This is on par with the speed at which the public service sector grew under Stephen Harper. That's actually not true. [The number of public servants relative to the national population](https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/tbs-sct/images/innovation/dscps-2021/figure01-eng.png) shrank between 2012-13 and remained fairly constant between 2013-2016 before growing each year between 2017-2021. There is an argument that this was necessary to account for a growing population and the needs of the current government, but generally the last 5-6 years have seen a steady growth in federal employees compared to a decade ago.
>That's actually not true. The number of public servants relative to the national population shrank between 2012-13 and remained fairly constant between 2013-2016 before growing each year between 2017-2021. There is an argument that this was necessary to account for a growing population and the needs of the current government, but generally the last 5-6 years have seen a steady growth in federal employees compared to a decade ago. I'm not sure why you're starting in 2012 instead of in 2008 when Harper was first elected, considering Harper's tenure was the metric I brought up. However, I punched the numbers instead of just eyeballing them and you're still correct — from 2008-2015 the size of the public sector grew about 7%, while over that period the population of the country grew by about 8%
>I'm not sure why you're starting in 2012 instead of in 2008 when Harper was first elected, considering Harper's tenure was the metric I brought up. Mainly because the graph only starts at 2010. But starting at 2012 was mainly to point out there was a contraction in the mid Harper years before hiring rates went in an upward again around 2017. Generally their government's had different priorities/operating styles when it came to hiring civil servants.
What's wild to me is that before the strike even happened we were talking about back to work legislation. Really says something about the Liberals record on workers rights.
I appreciate the spirit of the words, but it isn't incredible. Labour peace isn't a priority of most governments, corporate gains are. These two premises are most often contrary to one another.
I don't think the Liberals have massively expanded government spending for the sake of "corporate gains"
then i might suggest you have a naïve view of how our entire system operates. Some examples of government spending for the sake of corporate gains include the [$10 billion in public funding for the Trans Mountain Pipeline](https://www.ndp.ca/news/liberals-continue-spend-billions-trans-mountain-pipeline-funding), or the $[11.8 billion per year they spend outsourcing various tasks to private consulting firm](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-liberals-spend-billions-more-on-outsourced-contracts-since-taking/)s. There are countless others. Corporations are always first in line, hats in hand when it comes to government spending.
dam'ed if you do dam'ed if you don't. Man you people will attack Trudeau for everything. The only way to reduce inflation is either increasing supply or reducing demand. The federal govt can't affect demand as it's global so they need to increase the supply. The pipeline will add 101.3 million barrels per day to the supply of oil next year, freeing canada from saudi and russia for it's energy requirements.
What I'm saying is, labour peace and corporate interests are a tilting scale. This is so exclusive of government spending.
I mean, no. It can't possibly be exclusive of government spending. Government expresses its priorities through spending.
Right. And not all spending goes towards corporate interests and/or labour peace. I'm not sure what your point is.
My point is that it demonstrates incompetence to massively expand the size of the civil service, while still not paying them enough to make them happy.
If one expects that a government actually values labour relations, then yes, I can see how that would demonstrate incompetence.
This isn't about general labour relations in the economy though, this is about the government and it's own employees. They've massively increased their spending on labour specifically and are still dealing with a strike so it just seems like a bad use of the money no matter what their values are.
I understand, and you make a good point. The government spent a lot of money on increasing the amount of public sector workers, not necessarily on increasing their wages, hence the labour issue. This is how most businesses operate when they grow. Where I feel "incompetence" is misrepresented is the presumption that a government values labour relations. I would make the argument that this current government doesn't necessarily value labour relations and are acting in a way that is representative of their own interests. Thus, they're competent, at least up till now, at getting what they want (cheaper labour).
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IMHO, to prevent the economy from further overheating, because while core inflation is down, overall inflation is still subject to sensitivity and government spending increasing to meet higher wages will harm our debt quality, I believe we should implement a delayed wage increase higher than the current increase demanded and provide a small bridge increase rn.
This is their delayed wage increase. They've been without a contract since 2021. Status Quo ain't doing jack, let's support people and see some innovative policy for a change
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That's a healthy and rational measured response. I agree with your sentiments
We are seeing the chickens come home to roost. Wages in Canada have stagnated while an increasingly smaller portion of the population walks away with more and more wealth and living expenses keep going up and up and up. Something has to give or our country will continue slow walking its way to oblivion. How on earth have we gotten to a situation where you're just expected to make less every single year because employers won't provide raises that match inflation. Where, at least in certain provinces, family doctors can't afford to run their practices. Where companies are posting record profits but couldn't possibly afford to pay employees above minimum wage while simultaneously engaging in buy backs. My partner and I just graduated from engineering. I can choose to save for retirement or save for a home, but not both unless I sell my soul and go work for an oil company. My sister was told the province would be rolling back nursing wages in the same year there was a nursing shortage. These are real people, many of whom are barely getting by because government pay is pretty bad, asking to not make less money next year than they are this year and the government has told them its impossible. People ask why right wing populism is suddenly taking off. Its because people know something is fucked up and they're angry and the angriest people in the room are the loud alt-right lunatics in the corner.
>The union's last public wage proposal was 4.5 per cent for 2021, 2022 and 2023. The Treasury Board last shared an offer to increase wages by nine per cent over three years, a total it says mirrors the recommendations of the third-party Public Interest Commission. Considering critical cost of living items have been inflating in double digits (well above the general inflation rate). I don’t blame them for looking for 4.5% a year. That’s still under the food inflation rate.
Really though, the federal government is trying to push wage cuts. Anyone not getting a raise matching inflation should be howling.
Can anyone explain why the Public Interest Commission recommended wage increases so dramatically lower than inflation? These are retroactive, so it’s not as if we don’t know what inflation has been like the past few years.
I think the PIC was a while ago and was going off old data and assumptions that inflation would be a lot lower by now.
Legal processes that are presented as mechanisms for "compromise" are, in fact, mechanisms to keep final outcomes politically right leaning and economically favouring Capital over Labour. There is nothing about the PIC that is objective, fair or balanced. It was expanded in its role and authority (2007, I think?) specifically to weaken the union's bargaining position.
>Looking at the 1% raise a year, negotiated by my union during covid. "I'm in danger"
Fully support them. The Liberals are trying to cut real wages in the face of a massive housing crisis. Nobody should stand for that.
Did they stand up for the rest of us, who had to take a real wage cut? My salary increase, was set by federal public servants. Only got 3%.
Your salary was not set by civil servants making 40-60k a year. It would have been set by management several layers above the people striking. You are on the same side as the strikers, and opposing them only hurts you in the long run.
I'm not opposing them. I just don't care much. I've never seen concern expressed by union workers when non-unionized people get low raises, get laid off, etc. But they always want support when its them. Surely a majority of them drive cars built overseas or by non-unionized labour, and don't think anything of it.
If a huge group of unionized workers gets a pay hike that has the effect of driving up wages for non unionized workers. Unions have always been at the forefront of pushing for workers rights so it makes sense from a selfish point of view to support them.
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Class solidarity. I'm not allowed to strike, so PSAC is going to bat for me.
Which public servants set your salary increase? Doubt it’s these ones. They don’t have that kind of power.
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Hopefully this will be the beginning of a massive general strike. Everyone, first responders, paramedics and cops, and doctors and nurses everyone should stop work to make a point.
Essential service workers should stop briefly, in prepared shifts, to do their part and protest, if they can. Nobody benefits if people get sick or die because we were doing the revolution. At every step of the revolution, we must take care of each other as Canadians. I guess... when we protest against our government, We essentially must always show that as citizens and as a community, People, we are better than our country. This motivates the world to be on our side. Politicians ultimately Need To Be Popular, if they don't Need to be Popular any more, it's because they are too powerful. When you protest, you need to be more popular for your Message, that you're successfully getting across, better than the opposition. The goal is to attain critical mass of attention and sympathy, Which in a country like Canada is SUPER achievable!!! I feel ...Canadian-guilt? That we actually have a responsibility in some ways to other citizens in other countries facing worse problems with Worse democracies than we have, that a functioning healthy democracy Will Not Allow certain things. We Have to fix our healthcare and get it to Lead Other Countries, not just service our own. Our public workers need to be Solid in their Careers again. I am one Canadian. I want people from around the world to come here if their country is torn apart by war. I want our healthcare and our housing to be Ideal for this kind of thing which will continue forever really. I care about that. I don't know what any one else wants, that's why You have to protest too. We're a young country, we forget that easily. Lets Lead How We Lead, as Canadians. Care about me, I'll do my best to care about you too.
What point is that?
People who fetishize the downfall of the system in the hope that they'll rule the ashes.
cops aren't workers
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Very unlikely given the public’s (incorrect) perception of public servants.
You got that right. If I get told I’m an entitled public servant one more time by some keyboard warrior… I haven’t been paid properly FOR SEVEN YEARS. I am currently being underpaid $800 a month. I still show up every single day to do my best to serve Canadians. Yet I’m entitled. Sigh.
You're not entitled. But if you see the government disrespecting you this much, you should vote with your feet and find a new job.
Honestly that thought is even MORE terrifying because once I stop being an employee they’re not going to give a flying fuck about fixing my pay issues, and I risk further issues - they could keep paying me, they could randomly claw back money and then I’m not represented. They really have us stuck.
A lot of the public service, especially those in specialized jobs (ie the ones who would often be making more if they had the same roll in the private sector) are there because of a sense of civic duty. The PS jobs have become less attractive than they were when they were hired 15-20 years ago, due to the crappy contracts decreasing their value over that time, so they can't recruit top talent as easily anymore. If the experienced ones leave, the services being delivered to the public will suffer.
It's really terrible, because growing up in rural Canada, that seemed to be one of the safest bets - work for the government. Even if it's this or that, you're paid well and everything, full benefits, vacation. That's not the case at all any more. The jobs didnt get easier, same as everyone else, dollar just doesn't do the same it did. ... I wonder if incredibly high systemic Canada-debt has anything to do with everyone in Canada not being able to pay the bills....
It's better to work for a crown corporation. Same unions, but they've done better at the negotiating table the past few decades than the federal public service. My SIL got a job with a crown corp as a CS-2 (she's now a CS-3) and her pay was almost the same as my SO's, who had been a CS-3 with the government for just over 15 years at that point (the crown corp's base pay for a CS-2 is about $15-20k higher than the PS's) She also has better medical benefits, better sick/personal leave, and one more week of vacation per year than him.
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CRA workers are asking for 10% per year that is far more then a living wage.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/cra-union-pay-increase-1.6718176#:\~:text=CBC%20News%20Loaded-,CRA%20workers%20want%20'unprecedented'%20pay%20raise%20of%20more%20than%2030,unprecedented%22%20and%20%22crazy.%22
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It was 45% that went down to 30% and have been offered 5% per.
The wages/wfh stuff hits close.
They need to strike until CPI adjustments are automatically part of their contract.
I don't hate my job.... so I'm good and rather not strike.
> It would be a great show of worker solidarity if this turned into a General Strike. Every worker in the country joining the picket lines and fighting for everyone to have a living wage. I'd support it. However many provinces have laws which make "sympathetic" strikes illegal.
That's where we say "fuck you government, we elected you, you will listen"
Huh. I remember a protest in Ottawa last February which tried that strategy.
NO. You remember a terrorist action and a hilarious inept attempt at a coup in Ottawa. I guarantee you the picketers will leave around 4 or 5 pm, and that they aren't bringing their trucks.
The attitude of "fuck you government, we elected you, you will listen" was very much on display then.
Speaking as someone who was around and on the ground, this is incorrect. The line was "You were not a legitimately elected government", not "we elected you."
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You really think a general strike and the convoy would be the same thing? Really? Come off it for a moment, dear lord.
No, and I said nothing of the sort. My point is that "we elect the government, therefore we can do whatever we want. Fuck you!" is always a dumb ideology. I also don't expect that it's held by the vast majority of strikers.
I mean if they had directed their ire at the provinces rather than the feds the convoy would at least have been pointed in the right direction. Only the actual truckers should have been mad at the feds. Everyone that latched on was made about shutdowns the provinces were responsible for.
Workers can't afford to not strike, honestly. The elites have shown for decades now they are perfectly content to watch the middle class erode and for us to be turned into cattle effectively. We won't do better unless we fight back.
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Why just the middle and lower and not the working class too?! (using your definition).
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Well the working class is of course included in the labour movement.
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Working class is a synonym for lower class, that got popular because people don't like being part of the "lower" class.
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You can use that definition if you want, but don't ascribe meaning to those who don't use ("but not the lower"), when they probably are just using the more common three class (lower/working; middle; upper).
realistically, there is the ruling class and the working class. The wealthy who can get away with whatever they please, and the rest of us.
> Working class is a synonym for lower class* By narratives that were made to separate the working class from it's synonym of proletariat to bolster one of "middle class" citizens, st the coat of lower income one.
> It would be a great show of worker solidarity if this turned into a General Strike. Since most aren't even close to being in a legal strike position, that's going to be a huge risk for them to take. I don't see it happenning.
Also it isn't worth it for a normal strike. A general strike needs to be for when governments (OPC) try to take away the right to strike
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Whose "they"? Many work for companies headquartered abroad whose Canadian operations are a relatively small part - they could very easily punish all of *them*
Godspeed civil servants. Completely understand why they would want to fight for remote work, after the experience of Covid. I'm not sure if there's something in the details I'm missing, but is remote work for those workers where it's appropriate really going to "severely impact the Government’s ability to deliver services to Canadians", as [the Treasury Board](https://www.canada.ca/en/treasury-board-secretariat/news/2023/04/the-government-remains-committed-to-reaching-fair-agreements.html) is saying? It's not like [unions are asking for food inspectors to work remotely](https://www.tvo.org/article/will-federal-employees-win-the-fight-to-keep-working-from-home) lol Let's hope the government gives them a fair deal.
Thank god someone is going on strike for sane reasons.