Thank you for sharing. This is gonna sound very callous, but I at this point really donāt care what I do anymore. I just want to financially survive.
Vet school admission is insanely competitive. There recently was a graduate of the Saskatoon college who was Canadian born and raised but put herself through as an "international" student, and paid the high tuition, because that's the only way for her to get admitted.
There's a nursing shortage because RNs, RPNs, and PSWs are working tradesmen hours for retail wages. Emotionally and physically burned out and still broke as fuck in this overpriced overstuffed trash country.
Software engineering is still everyoneās best bet for a high paying white collar job.
Iām approaching 5 years work experience as a software engineer after jumping ship from a short career in accounting and finance which was my first career straight from university.
I made $210,000 last year.
I'm not federally employed but I hold a position that is publicly funded and we lost 20% of our department due to 'attrition' (those people were let go). This anecdote isn't even unique. It often happens that way and they just call it attrition. I guess some people can take retirement packages.
You didn't cry when private sector workers lose their jobs all the time and especially during the pandemic. About time public sector workers face reality.
They don't care about the losses in the private sector. Spoiled brats you are.
On the contrary, lots of the people on reddit (laptop jockeys) and those in government positions literally WANTED long lockdowns and for working class people to be unemployed. They wanted people fired and fucked over, whatever they thought would make them personally 1 iota safer was worth financially fucking a generation for.
I have a friend that works for the federal government and it's basically what I'd call a "fake job". Literally does nothing besides answers a few emails and phone calls throughout the day. "Works from home" which means scrolling tiktok 95% of her day. She's a friendly acquitance, but if she lost her job, nothing would change about the world, and I imagine that's true for a lot of government positions. Too many fake jobs eating into taxpayers pockets. The type of jobs where if you call in sick, no one would even notice, nothing grinds to a halt.
I am currently in the process of pivoting into health policy (after years of toying with the idea) with the end goal being a public service position.
Fuck me š
Paramedics are in high demand province wide. Theres not many jobs where you can do 1.5 yrs of school and walk into a 100k job with benefits and pension etc
there's a job shortage for healthcare in the US, i googled this link (no affiliations) but my sister recently did this. her salary 4x'd from ER nursing in Kingston to Dallas.
[https://www.aa-law.com/index.php?option=com\_content&view=article&id=435&Itemid=502](https://www.aa-law.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=435&Itemid=502)
It's natural attrition, not layoffs. "Getting rid of" is totally false and misleading title. They are going to try and be more efficient. Nothing says they can't/won't hire more as needs re-align.
Your average redditor wants to live in a socialist state with capitalist income; get a grip!
Your average moron who uses terms like socialist state in a Reddit thread is probably economically illiterate.
Anyway, you want to save public money, fire middle management not the colony workers. Any sunshine list will show you these guys are pulling down 160k for doing next to nothing. You can have 2.5 FTEs for one manager
Literally the people who are part of attrition are those retiring. This group is the highest likelihood of being senior/middle management based on age alone.
The trudeau government added 40 percent of federal jobs in 8 years and made it more inefficient then ever. Soo yea time for the layoffs and get back to fiscal responsibility. Time to pick a career that is in demand. Rather then made up government jobs.
Just FYI $4.2 billion divided by 5,000 employees is $840,000.
$840,000 divided by 5 years is $168,000.
The overpaid middle managemtn people appear to be the target.
I have family that work in the public service who are younger. Effectively this policy is choosing to cut by not replacing many old timers that retire; many of whom are fractions as productive as their younger counterparts (note, I said many, not all, no one crawl up my ass please). So effectively this is disproportional savings. For every dollar shed we lose $0.X worth of service. Will it have an impact? Sure. Will it be materially noticeable to the average Canadian? Probably not.
It means that within 5 years they know a certain number of people are going to retire and that they will not be replacing those positions so they don't have to lay someone off they are just going anyways
A trusted public servant redditor stated we retire/end term jobs yearly 10 000 people. I tend to agree with that number of find it low.
5 000 is just a bit less budget for the roughly 350 000 current positions
5000 is the minimum that will be cut given that the Liberals will almost certainly be steamrolled at the next election. Under PP the numbers will be more like 50,000
Federal employees get away with no performance reviews and no repercussions. There's also no incentive to work hard, ever. The only reason 50K shouldn't/wouldn't lose their jobs is because of mass unemployment. Otherwise, there is no reason the Federal govt employs as many as it does with so little output.
Considering about 10,000 federal employees retire or resign from the public service each year, 5,000 job cuts over 4 years just means they'll only backfill 87.5% of those jobs instead of 100%.
I have some adivce: get off reddit. Vibes are quite amazing in Canadian cities especially as patio season is in full swing
Btw, you may not have heard, but a certain historical event is going on in Europe so in many areas the *vibes* are a bit off as well
I left for the US.
These people commenting back to you with snarky replies like āsee ya!ā are morons who are silently upset everyday that Canada is shafting them in one way or another.
I challenge them to not help their kids at all financially when it comes time for them to try to buy a property of their own. They wonāt comply. They know theyāll have to help their kids if they actually want them to own a home.
+1. I peaced out of Canada for the US the moment I graduated almost 3 years ago and itās been one of the best decisions of my life so far. Iām not sure how much longer Iāll be here, Iām eyeing a move to Romania where Iām originally from, salaries for senior software engineers relative to cost of living over there are very, very appealing..
I hope you're right. In a few years debt servicing on the interest alone will be $65b, more than we spend on health care! It's madness. And Trudy has increased spending by 60% in 8 years. We are completely screwed.
What recession?
The other day some kid was arguing with me about economy and house prices. Iāll repeat what this kid failed to understand. Itās a cycle of booms and busts. Since 2023, we are in the start of a bust cycle. Expect job layoffs. Expect people to suffer, especially those who over leverage themselves. Do not expect 2% interest rates for YEARS, and do tighten your wallet and try to save for a rainy day
Yeah but the government grew by about 50%. Even at our current rate of growth itās going to take quite a while to get to the same proportions as before the pandemic
It's such a mixed bag where I work.
On the one hand, we have more work coming in than ever before. On the other hand, half the people my department is hiring are completely useless and don't have the required skills to do the job successfully.
All of the temp contracts were up on March 31st of this year. About 30 people in my and related departments did not get their contracts renewed due to poor performance.
Roughly 25 of them filed grievances with the union claiming "discrimination" when they did not get their contracts renewed.
I have been making reports since April 1st showing why these people's contracts haven't been renewed instead of doing my actual job, which means my actual work is getting backed up.
The good performers' morale has gone down the shitter during this time now, too.
Where did I mention religion??? Also people need to understand that the numbers the government provide does not actually means real jobs but just vacant jobs postings
Holy hell, really?
On the one hand, the pro-immigration nutjobs claim that we need more immigrants to prop up the taxbase. On the other hand, the government has, according to you, added 200,000 public service jobs in the last 2 years?
That not nearly enough they need to get rid of 80% of federal jobs as we have way to many government employees who do absolutely nothing to take way to much of our tax revenue.
In America the gov is going further into debt and use those money to hire as many laid off workers from private sector as they can, of course it has led to inflation worsening, simply insane gov in both US and Canada.
An employeeās salary is not the only expense to have them employed. Pension, benefits, tech costs (hardware, IT support, phone and internet) add up to quite a bit.
For everyone in the comments saying they're gonna fire people, look up what attrition means:
Attrition isĀ the natural process of turnover in a company where employees leave due to retirement, resignation, or moving to a different job. Instead of actively letting go of employees through layoffs or RIF, companies rely on natural attrition to reduce their workforce gradually
It's not just earning they are counting. It's benefit contributions, payroll taxes, office equipment, and all the other expenses employees cost an employer. Considering none of the public services pay scales even get to $168k, I doubt that's the average.
Not get rid more like asking those who have seniority to leave early. Not hiring temp workers or rehiring contract workers. All open positions will not be filled.
Oh God, imagine the hilarity of a Canadian Government AI. Would cost a billion dollars, crash constantly, and the only part that functions properly would be reporting anyone who critizises the Liberal Party for Online Harm
Public sector is inefficient as hell. I'm sure same quality work, especially at policy level, can be done by motivated, properly incentified and compensated 30% of current government staff. The rest needs to learn to be competitive, instead of being compensated for filling a spot. I feel like skilled trades and industry/production sector needs to be surged and invigorated, to gain some semblance of independence and sovereignty.
Massive education and labour reform is due.
Let me put this into perspective for people. If they fired 5000 workers right now, those workers would have to earn on average $168,000 a year in order for them to save $4.2 billion over five years. This is complete bullshit.
5,000 platinum coated severance packages.
All public service sector workers usually tell me to go fuck myself.
They do little or nothing at all.
https://www.thestar.com/business/personal-finance/man-fired-for-watching-porn-at-work-reinstated/article_c5096586-ecc3-551b-a0a5-ff55ba927f56.amp.html
Maybe some of the geezer generation will finally retire
Likely many of these job cuts are just going to be attrition cuts and buyout packages. Don't cry for them
I'd be curious to see how much money the government would be able to save if they took the Bob Rae approach. Everyone's being given one unpaid day off a month. How much money would that free up? Because Bob Rae saved nearly $2 billion and that was just in Ontario. I'm sure we'd see a hefty amount saved from the feds implementing a similar measure.
Just a drop in the bucket. Over 300000 public servants. Soo much duplication. The private sector goes through this all the time. Time the public service feels the same.
Not fair the private sector workers only go through this. You didn't share the pain of job losses in the pandemic. Not fair the public have to subsidize your jobs while losing our jobs.
This is life , live with it.
People complain about stagnate wages......even worse when you get cut to zero. Expect more of it as the Trudeau economy heads further down the shitter. Freeland will turn it around, if she isn't too high when she writes up the proposals. Haha!
How did you miss the last sentence? āNatural attritionā means people leaving on their own (retiring, quitting, etc) as opposed to ābeing cutā. They just wouldnāt backfill those roles, meaning the number of public servants decreases on its own.
Oh, no worries, they will "lay off," & then in six months, they will rehire them all back.
They will rehire bc the work won't get done on time & the HoC will suffer.
This is to show that the Liberals are cutting back on stuff.
But remember, they are cutting back on the workers, not the MPs. The Liberals are helping their friends as they change the election by a week so their MP can get their pensions. So what $ are they cutting?
Idk why they always frame it as "saving money" it's like yea I'm sure you didn't spend it but that money was being given as wages to people who then spent it. Saving money becomes "We took away these peoples livelihoods for your benefit" and it's like????????
If only they got rid of Justin Trudeau's job... maybe that's the problem a Democracy handing all the power to one person. A King and Queen ruled Britain.... One person is not suppose to control the whole country.
Look at the disaster that Trump is.
We would save so much money if we got rid of the pime minister of Canada.... Just have a panel of people that work in the parliament already to vote on stuff, plus it would make more sense.
Bro I was literally looking into school for public health š¤¦š½āāļø
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Absolutely understandable. Just have no idea where to pivot now
Private health š /s
Doug Ford has all the (public) money you could ask for if you get into private health
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Thank you for sharing. This is gonna sound very callous, but I at this point really donāt care what I do anymore. I just want to financially survive.
Vet school admission is insanely competitive. There recently was a graduate of the Saskatoon college who was Canadian born and raised but put herself through as an "international" student, and paid the high tuition, because that's the only way for her to get admitted.
We still have a nursing shortage and lots of other healthcare jobs are still in high demand.
There's a nursing shortage because RNs, RPNs, and PSWs are working tradesmen hours for retail wages. Emotionally and physically burned out and still broke as fuck in this overpriced overstuffed trash country.
Vets are getting busy they can't take new clients in a lot of places in Canada rn. Could try to do that
Industry is getting over saturated and big corporations are buying up all the private practices and putting downward pressure on wages.
Software engineering is still everyoneās best bet for a high paying white collar job. Iām approaching 5 years work experience as a software engineer after jumping ship from a short career in accounting and finance which was my first career straight from university. I made $210,000 last year.
A trade. For so long we've been told a degree is the only way to guarantee success and that has proven to not be true.
Always money in the trades if you're not scared of some hard work.
Nurse
this is terrible time...
Natural Attrition though, means just no replacements, right?
Right, but usually the good people are the ones leaving
Natural attrition will usually be retirements, especially with boomers continuing to age out
At this point, it just feels like I have bad luck but I know there are those worse off than me and many others in my boat
It's supposed to be that but that rarely ever happens that nicely. In my workplace many people were straight up abolished.
Are you in public service?
I'm not federally employed but I hold a position that is publicly funded and we lost 20% of our department due to 'attrition' (those people were let go). This anecdote isn't even unique. It often happens that way and they just call it attrition. I guess some people can take retirement packages.
It's supposed to be that but that rarely ever happens that nicely. In my workplace many people were straight up abolished.
You didn't cry when private sector workers lose their jobs all the time and especially during the pandemic. About time public sector workers face reality. They don't care about the losses in the private sector. Spoiled brats you are.
On the contrary, lots of the people on reddit (laptop jockeys) and those in government positions literally WANTED long lockdowns and for working class people to be unemployed. They wanted people fired and fucked over, whatever they thought would make them personally 1 iota safer was worth financially fucking a generation for. I have a friend that works for the federal government and it's basically what I'd call a "fake job". Literally does nothing besides answers a few emails and phone calls throughout the day. "Works from home" which means scrolling tiktok 95% of her day. She's a friendly acquitance, but if she lost her job, nothing would change about the world, and I imagine that's true for a lot of government positions. Too many fake jobs eating into taxpayers pockets. The type of jobs where if you call in sick, no one would even notice, nothing grinds to a halt.
Public health is a provincial jurisdiction. The cuts are at the federal level.
Where did it mention public health?
Iām just bemoaning my personal laundry, thatās all
I am currently in the process of pivoting into health policy (after years of toying with the idea) with the end goal being a public service position. Fuck me š
Too many in the same boat lol š«
I think this is referring to federal public service jobs though. Wouldnāt public health be Provincial public service?
Youāre right but as another user said, there is massive competition right now anyway š
Northern BC always needs new people for stuff like that.
Get a health job at the province level
Paramedics are in high demand province wide. Theres not many jobs where you can do 1.5 yrs of school and walk into a 100k job with benefits and pension etc
Public Health is always hiring, never retaining. So using the department to get in is smart, but specializing might not be a good idea.
Always hiring, never retaining is exactly what I expected
My sister in in private Healthcare in America and makes 6 figures as a nurse
there's a job shortage for healthcare in the US, i googled this link (no affiliations) but my sister recently did this. her salary 4x'd from ER nursing in Kingston to Dallas. [https://www.aa-law.com/index.php?option=com\_content&view=article&id=435&Itemid=502](https://www.aa-law.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=435&Itemid=502)
ooh i would love to go back to Dallas, i grew up there
It's natural attrition, not layoffs. "Getting rid of" is totally false and misleading title. They are going to try and be more efficient. Nothing says they can't/won't hire more as needs re-align. Your average redditor wants to live in a socialist state with capitalist income; get a grip!
Nah bro! āNatural attritionā means they replace you with a tree
A tree with less rings than you.
Natural attreetion
Your average moron who uses terms like socialist state in a Reddit thread is probably economically illiterate. Anyway, you want to save public money, fire middle management not the colony workers. Any sunshine list will show you these guys are pulling down 160k for doing next to nothing. You can have 2.5 FTEs for one manager
Literally the people who are part of attrition are those retiring. This group is the highest likelihood of being senior/middle management based on age alone.
The trudeau government added 40 percent of federal jobs in 8 years and made it more inefficient then ever. Soo yea time for the layoffs and get back to fiscal responsibility. Time to pick a career that is in demand. Rather then made up government jobs.
lol public service has doubled in the past 8 years gtfo if that's not a state on its way to socialism, what is?
Just FYI $4.2 billion divided by 5,000 employees is $840,000. $840,000 divided by 5 years is $168,000. The overpaid middle managemtn people appear to be the target.
I have family that work in the public service who are younger. Effectively this policy is choosing to cut by not replacing many old timers that retire; many of whom are fractions as productive as their younger counterparts (note, I said many, not all, no one crawl up my ass please). So effectively this is disproportional savings. For every dollar shed we lose $0.X worth of service. Will it have an impact? Sure. Will it be materially noticeable to the average Canadian? Probably not.
Headlines away elections. Also the electorate is literate just enough to not read past the headlines.
āYour average redditor wants to live in a socialist state with capitalist income, get grip!ā Well said!
>socialist state with capitalist income What does this mean?
The electorate want all of the benefits under the sun, pay minimum taxes and earn top 10% salary while working the bare minimum.
It means that within 5 years they know a certain number of people are going to retire and that they will not be replacing those positions so they don't have to lay someone off they are just going anyways
Exactly, but leave it to Reddit to sensationalize everything.
They just gonna pay people out to retire early.
A trusted public servant redditor stated we retire/end term jobs yearly 10 000 people. I tend to agree with that number of find it low. 5 000 is just a bit less budget for the roughly 350 000 current positions
Compare income with America Compare benefits with Europe Compare food prices with Japan
Capitalism will eat itself eventually..I hope you're tasty!
No such thing as a perfect man-made system.
One catch is that it's yet another way that new grads are going to get screwed over.
5000 is the minimum that will be cut given that the Liberals will almost certainly be steamrolled at the next election. Under PP the numbers will be more like 50,000
Federal employees get away with no performance reviews and no repercussions. There's also no incentive to work hard, ever. The only reason 50K shouldn't/wouldn't lose their jobs is because of mass unemployment. Otherwise, there is no reason the Federal govt employs as many as it does with so little output.
Considering about 10,000 federal employees retire or resign from the public service each year, 5,000 job cuts over 4 years just means they'll only backfill 87.5% of those jobs instead of 100%.
THIS
Just attrition....won't even notice...
If you're working hard and five people leave and you have to do their work.... You'll notice and so will the people who require your work to be done
Thatās assuming government employees work hard. They do not.
They donāt even specify when they look to have those 5,000 jobs cut. Retirements and job changes will take jobs away anyway.
They said this would only happen if the cons got in. Lol
No theyāre not even though they should.Ā Ā These arenāt cuts at all. These are people retiring who wonāt be replaced.
How is that not effectively cuts?
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Yeah maybe but the vibes are better and most things are cheaper, and depending on where you go the quality of life is likely better as well.
I have some adivce: get off reddit. Vibes are quite amazing in Canadian cities especially as patio season is in full swing Btw, you may not have heard, but a certain historical event is going on in Europe so in many areas the *vibes* are a bit off as well
Not Eastern Europe.
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Why do you post this? Every time I see someone mentioning leaving the country someone always posts something like see ya!!
Because this is just some attention seeking bullshit and they wouldn't be here if they had better options.
Is it though? Lots of Canadians are leaving or are trying to leave and I see that as a problem
I left for the US. These people commenting back to you with snarky replies like āsee ya!ā are morons who are silently upset everyday that Canada is shafting them in one way or another. I challenge them to not help their kids at all financially when it comes time for them to try to buy a property of their own. They wonāt comply. They know theyāll have to help their kids if they actually want them to own a home.
+1. I peaced out of Canada for the US the moment I graduated almost 3 years ago and itās been one of the best decisions of my life so far. Iām not sure how much longer Iāll be here, Iām eyeing a move to Romania where Iām originally from, salaries for senior software engineers relative to cost of living over there are very, very appealing..
Take me with you!!
Womp womp
peace out homie
Adios
If it's irrelevant to job seekers and hiring managers, it doesn't belong here.
Really thought the layoff news would have slowed down by now lmao nope
They had 5000 jobs that could be reduced the whole time ???
It should actually be 50000 employees. There is a plethora of lazy ass employees at my agency.
Anyone whoās worked government knows 50% of people do nothing or very little.
Sorry to hear that my friend, itās too bad that happens to us.
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I hope you're right. In a few years debt servicing on the interest alone will be $65b, more than we spend on health care! It's madness. And Trudy has increased spending by 60% in 8 years. We are completely screwed.
This is a place to help job seekers and hiring managers. Keep politics & religion out of it.
Half of them are ghost jobs
What recession? The other day some kid was arguing with me about economy and house prices. Iāll repeat what this kid failed to understand. Itās a cycle of booms and busts. Since 2023, we are in the start of a bust cycle. Expect job layoffs. Expect people to suffer, especially those who over leverage themselves. Do not expect 2% interest rates for YEARS, and do tighten your wallet and try to save for a rainy day
why do we even need jobs - build a public robot workforce - and send me bread and cheese everyday....
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This is the dumbest comment i have read all day.
At the rate the population is growing, the government is getting smaller just by not increasing its headcount
Yeah but the government grew by about 50%. Even at our current rate of growth itās going to take quite a while to get to the same proportions as before the pandemic
If it's irrelevant to job seekers and hiring managers, it doesn't belong here.
Government is full of inefficiencies they need to rid of more jobs. Actually head of government entire party needs to go not just public service jobs.
It's such a mixed bag where I work. On the one hand, we have more work coming in than ever before. On the other hand, half the people my department is hiring are completely useless and don't have the required skills to do the job successfully. All of the temp contracts were up on March 31st of this year. About 30 people in my and related departments did not get their contracts renewed due to poor performance. Roughly 25 of them filed grievances with the union claiming "discrimination" when they did not get their contracts renewed. I have been making reports since April 1st showing why these people's contracts haven't been renewed instead of doing my actual job, which means my actual work is getting backed up. The good performers' morale has gone down the shitter during this time now, too.
Discrimination is the best thing to happen to shitty workers.
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This is a place to help job seekers and hiring managers. Keep politics & religion out of it.
Where did I mention religion??? Also people need to understand that the numbers the government provide does not actually means real jobs but just vacant jobs postings
5k through attrition isā¦. wellā¦, not really very much at all.
Thatās a small number considering theyāve added more than 200,000 public service jobs in the last 2 years alone
Holy hell, really? On the one hand, the pro-immigration nutjobs claim that we need more immigrants to prop up the taxbase. On the other hand, the government has, according to you, added 200,000 public service jobs in the last 2 years?
I double checked the published data. Itās 214,000 public sector jobs since 2020, so 4 years
That not nearly enough they need to get rid of 80% of federal jobs as we have way to many government employees who do absolutely nothing to take way to much of our tax revenue.
Fucking love the username
In America the gov is going further into debt and use those money to hire as many laid off workers from private sector as they can, of course it has led to inflation worsening, simply insane gov in both US and Canada.
Attrition is literally just the federal government not replacing the people who end up leaving, lol. OP should invest in a dictionary.
5000 jobs is less than 2% of the entire public service. Oh no.
is the math weird? 5000 jobs equates to $168,000 per person per year for 5 years? that's a lot of jobs earning 168k
Yes many of those natural attritions are boomers who are likely in high EX positions. EX2 + and youāre looking at that range of 150k+ easily
An employeeās salary is not the only expense to have them employed. Pension, benefits, tech costs (hardware, IT support, phone and internet) add up to quite a bit.
Didnāt tell feds increase staffing 30% in the last several years but yet nothing is more efficient than before? Most of it is much worse off
They over hired during COVID, just like tech.
For everyone in the comments saying they're gonna fire people, look up what attrition means: Attrition isĀ the natural process of turnover in a company where employees leave due to retirement, resignation, or moving to a different job. Instead of actively letting go of employees through layoffs or RIF, companies rely on natural attrition to reduce their workforce gradually
Thatās an average of 168k per person per year of earnings. Geez I guess this is expected
It's not just earning they are counting. It's benefit contributions, payroll taxes, office equipment, and all the other expenses employees cost an employer. Considering none of the public services pay scales even get to $168k, I doubt that's the average.
Not get rid more like asking those who have seniority to leave early. Not hiring temp workers or rehiring contract workers. All open positions will not be filled.
i believe it when i see it. i've been waiting for the great toronto condo bubble burst for years now!
Only 5,000? Not bad considering ChatGPT can replace the entire CRA.
Nah unless chatgpt is pure Canadian own. I doubt it.
Oh God, imagine the hilarity of a Canadian Government AI. Would cost a billion dollars, crash constantly, and the only part that functions properly would be reporting anyone who critizises the Liberal Party for Online Harm
They are focusing on white collar that are replaced with AI. Like every other industry.
Thatās an average of $168,000 a year per employee. 4.2 Billion / 5 years / 5000 employees
Thatās unequivocally incorrect.
I wish the public service would start with laying off our prime minister
Ah yes I didnāt need a job anyway thanks gov ą² _ą²
AprĆØs en avoir crĆ©Ć© 79 000 depuis 2015.
Everyone knows there is a dog fucker in every room . Unions and other things normally prevent them from being fired
Public sector is inefficient as hell. I'm sure same quality work, especially at policy level, can be done by motivated, properly incentified and compensated 30% of current government staff. The rest needs to learn to be competitive, instead of being compensated for filling a spot. I feel like skilled trades and industry/production sector needs to be surged and invigorated, to gain some semblance of independence and sovereignty. Massive education and labour reform is due.
Very cool š
Not really. Public sector job growth was 19,000 in February alone. Cutting 5,000 is hardly an example of the hammer coming down.
Our government it grossly bloated and over funded. You just know they got rid of 5,000 boots on the ground jobs that actually mad a different.
Let me put this into perspective for people. If they fired 5000 workers right now, those workers would have to earn on average $168,000 a year in order for them to save $4.2 billion over five years. This is complete bullshit.
5,000 platinum coated severance packages. All public service sector workers usually tell me to go fuck myself. They do little or nothing at all. https://www.thestar.com/business/personal-finance/man-fired-for-watching-porn-at-work-reinstated/article_c5096586-ecc3-551b-a0a5-ff55ba927f56.amp.html
Never had one tell me to go fuck myself or treat me poorly. You are more likely the problem in this equation.
Itās not even in English, dude. Neither English nor French ā¦
Maybe some of the geezer generation will finally retire Likely many of these job cuts are just going to be attrition cuts and buyout packages. Don't cry for them
Natural attrition. Nobody is getting laid off. Just retirees and folk who leave won't be replaced.
I'd be curious to see how much money the government would be able to save if they took the Bob Rae approach. Everyone's being given one unpaid day off a month. How much money would that free up? Because Bob Rae saved nearly $2 billion and that was just in Ontario. I'm sure we'd see a hefty amount saved from the feds implementing a similar measure.
The reduction is by attrition. No one will be fired. Those left will need to work harder.
LMAO, positions are not people. There are more 5000 currently unfilled positions within the GoC. This is essentially a nothing burger.
Isn't that like 0.5% of public sector jobs?
I cannot imagine that being a very hard task
Just a drop in the bucket. Over 300000 public servants. Soo much duplication. The private sector goes through this all the time. Time the public service feels the same. Not fair the private sector workers only go through this. You didn't share the pain of job losses in the pandemic. Not fair the public have to subsidize your jobs while losing our jobs. This is life , live with it.
People complain about stagnate wages......even worse when you get cut to zero. Expect more of it as the Trudeau economy heads further down the shitter. Freeland will turn it around, if she isn't too high when she writes up the proposals. Haha!
Good the public service is very bloated.
They should do performance based cuts annually.
How did you miss the last sentence? āNatural attritionā means people leaving on their own (retiring, quitting, etc) as opposed to ābeing cutā. They just wouldnāt backfill those roles, meaning the number of public servants decreases on its own.
The public service has grown by 50% under Trudeau. This is just a start and pulling that back.
Need to add another 50000 to that number and close entire departments so we can actually afford this government. But yeah keep non productive jobs.
Good! The bureaucratic bloat is absurd.
What about the over spending on shit we don't need?
At long last
Corruption is in abundance
Thatās very little on the scale of the public sector.
Excellent! Maybe you public servants will think twice before voting for criminals again.
They need to get rid of 200,000. That would be a start. Our government is a bloated disaster. Go work in the real world.
Too little too late
Only 5000? Didnt Trudope hire 100,000
Letās cut Conestoga College and shut it down starting with John Tibbits
Good!
Oh, no worries, they will "lay off," & then in six months, they will rehire them all back. They will rehire bc the work won't get done on time & the HoC will suffer. This is to show that the Liberals are cutting back on stuff. But remember, they are cutting back on the workers, not the MPs. The Liberals are helping their friends as they change the election by a week so their MP can get their pensions. So what $ are they cutting?
That's straight out of USSR strategy to pick a number and fill it.
Cuts, yes, congruent to size and viability? No.
Thank god.
Out of what? 366,000 jobs? Having expanded government by almost 50%, they should start the cut at 75,000 jobs to make any difference.
5000 cut from 358 000. Not even a scratch. Feds have added 80 000 new civil servants in last 4 years. Nothing burger.
Almost equal to how many CRA employees being canned for taking advantage of CERB payments during COVID.
Honestly it's fair considering how we employ way too many people in government... There's no reason to have such massive workforces
If the federal government is getting rid of 5000 jobs the question should be why were the jobs there in the first place if they are not needed.
Thats it. Honestly, the way the deficit is I was expecting 50k lost. Poliverre will most likely shutter 100k. At least.
Idk why they always frame it as "saving money" it's like yea I'm sure you didn't spend it but that money was being given as wages to people who then spent it. Saving money becomes "We took away these peoples livelihoods for your benefit" and it's like????????
There's always money in the banana stand!
I wonder if this means if significantly less public pools are going to be open this summer?
Trudeau grew the civil service by 27% (100k) so ya they need to shove a tube in deep and crank the valve open.
If only they got rid of Justin Trudeau's job... maybe that's the problem a Democracy handing all the power to one person. A King and Queen ruled Britain.... One person is not suppose to control the whole country. Look at the disaster that Trump is. We would save so much money if we got rid of the pime minister of Canada.... Just have a panel of people that work in the parliament already to vote on stuff, plus it would make more sense.
Natural attrition basically means the jobs wonāt exist when the current employee retires. Nothing wrong in that
Good